Post by: Gamebasher on June 30, 2003, 11:31:34 AM
So much talk about the lauch of GameCube 2, so I want to give my thoughts as to what I think Nintendo should do to succeed. There are a lot of people who have been dissapointed by Nintendo recently, by firstly the late launch of the GameCube, then the abscence of a Mario game a launch, and next a cell-shaded Zelda which isn´t what people were expecting following the showing of the Spaceworld 2000 demo of Link and Gannon in the famed sword fight. Not saying Nintendo isn´t doing something to satisfy it´s gamers, but they have to really get in gear and move f-a-s-t if they want to have any chance whatsoever of taking a lead in the Game Industry, they of all developer companies have the most creative potential even though they don´t have so much money as Sony or Microsoft (it´s the content in games that ultimately counts, so that why I say aforementioned as Nintendo is an expert in creating cutting-edge content in games), but thing move fast in the game industry right now with the X-BOX beginning to show some quite nice titles that you DON´T find the likes of over at GameCube even with the first-party titles included (did any one mention Pirates of the Carribean?!!).
So here is what they should do to appease their core gamers, and at the same time satisfy the mainstream ones:
1) Launch with a portfolio of awesome first-party Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong and Metroid games, and possibly a F-Zero II incarnation as well and have a neat number of 3. party titles ready spanning categories of sports, racing and shooters, totaly amounting to 30 cutting edge launch titles in all. In this way they will firstly satisfy their coregamers who were dissapointed with first-party titles previously and secondly attract any X-BOX owner or PS2 owner, looking to buy a 2. console more powerfull than what they already have will pay attention then and probably try out the games and buy a GC2 if they like the games! There has to be an incentive for a non-Nintendo gamer to try out ol´Ninty for a change and that could be it. Many more of SEGA, EA games this time will do very nice along Ninty´s own titles, and many of the owners of other machines will already know what the SEGA games are like for instance as they have already been released on their consoles by then a number of times.
2) Advertise beforehand, months in advance without showing sensitive parts of any of the core games, or third-party games but simply showing awesome stuff in little sequences that are enough to draw the attention of previously sceptic or cynical gamers and have them wonder if Nintendo has indeed changed. For that is what they must do. Which they know. As EDGE magazine say it, Nintendo have to decide if they want to keep on catering mostly to the needs of the children that is their core market and forget the rest of the world, or to finally decide to make games that everyone wants (which the coveted "everyone" demographic don´t want - not yet at least).
3) Give the gamers at launch day a really good value-for-money package, so that they hook them right then and there! Here I mean in particular the non-Nintendo gamers.
All this entails more work for Nintendo, more advertising, more third-party deals, less old-style Nintendo, more new-style Nintendo which will be so convincing that everyone will indeed see the power of the Mighty Mario once again!
So, Nintendo, get to work!
We know you can do it, because you want to be number one! Tough climb to the top...hmm...but you´ve got what it takes!
Gamebasher.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 30, 2003, 11:37:58 AM
Nintendo will do what Nintendo does without consulting us. That's what they have been doing for all my life, and that's a large part of the reason I love them so much. They do things unexpectedly, and they always have a surprise for us. If they gave us what we asked for with every game, then it would get stale really quick wouldn't it? We would have Mario killing hookers, and we would have Link bleeding all over the ground. Personally, that's something that I don't want to see. If Nintendo became like everyone else, then the Nintendo we all love will be gone.
Nintendo is making lots of money, and they are doing just fine. Why not let them make the business decisions?
I don't really mind if people have a short list of games that they REALLY want to see at launch, but going gung-ho and telling everyone that they have the "one true plan to RULE THEM ALL" is a little presumptuous I think. It's my opinion that Nintendo knows what's best.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 30, 2003, 12:57:21 PM
Personally, I don't care. I'll buy the next Nintendo console, and chances are I'll have a wonderful time playing it.
And what's so great about that Pirates of the Carribean game? It's a game based off of a movie (I assume) based off of a theme park ride. Sounds great, I say sarcastically.
Post by: Zeth on June 30, 2003, 01:03:16 PM
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They do things unexpectedly, and they always have a surprise for us.
yeah, like announcing a bunch of dumb connectivity games at E3! What a fun surprise.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 30, 2003, 02:52:18 PM
Post by: Gup on June 30, 2003, 03:52:47 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on June 30, 2003, 04:31:53 PM
1) Have a hard-drive, broadband capability and DVD playback built-in to GC2
It doesn't matter if Nintendo does anything with them, just have them there for developers to take advantage of.
Who cares if it raises the price point? Consumer demographics have shifted to where you have a lot of young adults with disposable income that are willing to drop $299 on a console if they think they're getting their money's worth. And I'm fully convinced that parents will buy any console under $400 if their kids want it bad enough as a Christmas gift.
Also, having the HD/Broadband/DVD playback prevents the GC2 from looking bad vis-a-vis the X-Box2 and PS3. Non-Nintendophiles won't care, they'll buy the X-Box2 or PS3 just to be "cutting-edge" if the GC2 lacks these features.
2) Give us world-class first person shooter
Get a first-party or second-party to create a HALO 2-killer with Online play. That's what sells consoles these days, plain and simple. And there's nothing wrong with that. Mainstream gamers love first-person shooters so make them happy. And make it good enough that the hardcore will have no choice but to love it.
A legendary first-person shooter like HALO could do for the GC2 what Street Fighter 2 did for the SNES. I mean, I don't even have an X-Box but I sometimes consider getting one just to play HALO. That's how good that game is, and how influential it is to consumers as a whole. I'm sure there are people out there with X-Boxes that own HALO and nothing else. The GC2 needs a game like that, that one title that becomes a phenomenon. Mario and Zelda are no longer that phenomenon.
3) Pokemon online
My god this would be a cash cow.
4) Create something to answer the Grand Theft Auto franchise
I think the "mafia game" is officially a genre now, so why not exploit it? In fact, take it to the next level and have it online. Create a game called "Criminal" in which you picked a criminal organization (mafia, street gang, drug cartel, whatever) and tried to take over the country block-by-block. This could definitely push the envelope for edginess, but if executed correctly it could literally revolutionize the industry the same way GTA3 did. I know I'd buy it, and I'd probably play it online (and I don't play anything online).
They don't necessarily need a new idea here, Nintendo just needs to take the existing idea and make it BETTER.
Some food for thought.
silks
Post by: screamatorium on June 30, 2003, 04:43:21 PM
Mario killing hookers? Right, like the ps2's mario equivalent, jak and daxter, is going around killing hookers. Who wants mario to kill hookers? Its like saying if GTA3 was put on the GC, you'd be driving around in dinosaurs that you bonk on the head and eating mushrooms. It doesnt make any sense.
AS for changes I'd like to see. A memory card that actually has a decent amount of space. Per kb its one of the more expensive memory cards around. I also hope Nintendo stops creating proprietary media formats. It would also be nice if the next console doesnt crash as often, and has more durable controllers. Better yet it should just pack in a variation of the fantastic wave bird. Actually I think it would be cool if the thing didnt even have control ports... just frequencies. TV's and vcrs have been wireless for decades... why not game consoles? Its going to eventually happen, Nintendo might as well be first. Think about it. You just show up at your friends house with your wavebird, set it at a unique frequency and your ready to go. With ten frequencies, you could have ten players. And no wire clutter!
I also hope that Nintendo doesnt come up with another lame brain gba/gc connectivity idea. It wastes valuable resources that could be spent making sure there are good launch games. They were hyping the damn thing so much at the last two e3's, that I actually thought they had something cool comming up. I was hoping for wave bird... what I got was virtua boy. Also some sort of online play would be nice. I know some of you guys are saying that the gc to gc connectivity is enough... but thats old news. Its been around since the ps1 for god sakes! And the same problems apply. You need two tvs. At this rate, my wristwatch will be online before nintendo. Net play is the future, Nintendo needs to get off its rear and stop waiting for sony and MS to blaze the trail first.
A hard drive would be nice, but not crucial. Its nice not needing to worry about mem card space. All that stuff about speeding up loading time is crap though. Xbox games still take longer to load. New, japanese, nintendo franchises would be nice. AS much as I like the sequels, something new would be nice. And a more diversified library would be great too. Niche gamers need love too.
Post by: WhoDey on June 30, 2003, 05:43:26 PM
My god this would be a cash cow."
I really don't know if that's true or not. Who plays Pokemon for the most part? Kids. Kids that do not have the ability to pay for on-line services without bugging their parents. And I guarantee most parents would not pay a monthly fee for their kids to play some Nintendo game. Having to pay $50 for it is bad enough. But why they have never released a full-fledged Pokemon rpg for their consoles is beyond me.
For Nintendo's launch they only need one big Nintendo title like every other console has had except GC. Preferrably a true Mario title. Have a couple filler titles like Waverace or whatever. Then they need to have some awesome 3rd party titles for the genres that Nintendo is not good at like sports and 1st person shooters. People that don't buy Nintendo don't care about Mario and Zelda. They care about sports and realistic games. This is where Nintendo will have major trouble because Sony will easily outclass them here. Also, they need to release alteast a week or two ahead of Sony and Microsoft.
Hopefully they can gain back some ground they have lost this generation but I'd say it's extremely unlikely they have any chance of getting the lead back.
Post by: mjbd on June 30, 2003, 05:46:55 PM
Post by: Radical on June 30, 2003, 06:47:57 PM
>Nintendo will do what Nintendo does without consulting us. That's what they have been doing for all my life,
>and that's a large part of the reason I love them so much. They do things unexpectedly, and they always have a surprise for us. If they gave us what we >asked for with every game, then it would get stale really quick wouldn't it? We would have Mario killing hookers, and we would have Link bleeding all >over the ground. Personally, that's something that I don't want to see. If Nintendo became like everyone else, then the Nintendo we all love will be gone.
This is true, but what you dont get is that these ppl including me know noone is listening. its more of an open ended question about why they have come so low. Look:
>Nintendo is making lots of money, and they are doing just fine. Why not let them make the business decisions?
This is where you are wrong. Nintendo used to be synomonous (sp) with videogames. Now they ARE NOT. they used to own 90-99 % of market share. Now sony is the market leader. THEY HAVE LOST THEIR POWER. IT IS SLIPPING.
THEY ARE *NOT* DOING FINE. IN THE BUISNESS WORLD, YOU PLAY TO WIN. THIS MEANS SHUTTING OUT YOUR COMPETITORS. THE ps2 should have less than 20 % of the market share, and the same with xbox. THEY DONT. THIS IS A SERIOUS ERROR BY NINTENDO.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE MARKET SHARE UNTIL THEIR COMPANY NO LONGER BECOMES PROFITABLE, IN WHICH TIME THEY WILL FOLD.
We do not and cannot make decisions for them; what these are, are simply rants; observations, if you will about where nintendo went wrong and what they should be doing.
>I don't really mind if people have a short list of games that they REALLY want to see at launch, but going gung-ho and telling everyone that they have >the "one true plan to RULE THEM ALL" is a little presumptuous I think. It's my opinion that Nintendo knows what's best.
While I agree with you on many points (as i feel alot of these people that you talk about ARE stupid, because they claim that (insert games they like) will sell.), I do not agree with your stance that "nintendo is ok". Thats the problem; they are JUST THAT. THEY SHOULD BE THE #1 LEADER by double or more.
THEY SHOULD BE THE BEST.
Now here are my suggestions:
1) Nintendo has to give the consumer absoloutely no reason not to get a gcn; not from controllers, games, nintendo "image", etc; it must satisfy all these things- and it definetly has to make sure each franchise is replayable, and is very very good.
thats it.
Post by: dafunkk12 on June 30, 2003, 10:09:33 PM
QuoteI beg to differ. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but now that the initial hype has disappeared, kids are pretty much through with Pokemon. Unfortunately, they've instead moved onto less polished products ::cough:: Yu-Gi-Oh ::cough::. You know who's now playing Pokemon? Older teens and adults. Last year (my Senior year) in high school, I got a decent amount (I'd say ten or so) of new people to play the Pokemon card game, plus rekindled interest in older players. Some of them became far more obsessed than me (sure, I used to be a Gym Leader at my local League, but admittedly, I didn't really care about collecting, just playing) and just kept buying packs and packs of cards. And of course most of them bought Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire. We saw the movie, and just recently, we lived off of Wendy's trying to collect the toys.
Who plays Pokemon for the most part? Kids.
Sure, it may not be a universal sentiment among older teens, but I honestly find that there's more interest among us and adults than with kids/<16 yr olds.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 30, 2003, 11:25:30 PM
Nintendo should advertise it like a mother @$&^*%#^%^#@!^^#@
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on July 01, 2003, 12:37:37 AM
I also think they should renew the RE contract with Capcom.
Post by: Mario on July 01, 2003, 12:44:50 AM
Post by: BrianSLA on July 01, 2003, 01:49:49 AM
Well actually Pirates of the Caribbean is actually SeaDogs 2. Disney paid off Bethesda ( creators of the AWESOME Elder Scrolls Morrowind ) to make it a tie in game / cross promotion. It isn't based on a theme park ride but it might have some passing resemblence to the movie ( slightly ) which if you didn't know is getting good reviews. Anyway...... " In Pirates of the Caribbean, players will assume the role of a pirate captain and explore towns, deal with the game's six national factions, and undertake a variety of quests. The game will let players improve their ship, hire experienced crew, and engage in highly detailed 3D sea battles, among other things " ( Gamespot quote ).
Link:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/piratesofthecaribbean/news_6030881.html
Oh it is also out this week.
Post by: CHEN on July 01, 2003, 07:12:16 AM
As for me, games games games. The more the merrier.
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 01, 2003, 07:26:45 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 01, 2003, 07:48:37 AM
I happen to think this year's E3 was great. So no surprises, oh well. Does the element of surprise make the game any better when it comes out? No. Connectivity is a great idea if used properly, and as i think that Nintendo isn't quite there yet, they're well on there way with games like FF:CC (which is the #1 game i'm looking forward to right now), pac-man, and fourswords. Plus, using it to unlock hidden games ala Metroid Prime/Fusion could work out too.
Connectivity is a great unique thing only Nintendo can do at the time, which can boost sales. If you don't have a gameboy (which, like everyone does) than don't get the games. it's as simple as that. if you (and friends) do have GBs, shell out a simple ten bucks for a link and enjoy a good game. if you have both already, i don't see the problem.
Having DK, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, etc.(all quality first party titles) at launch would be stupid. Sure, at the beginning people would buy, and that's what Nintendo wants, but then what? Then, there'd be a huge gap of no quality first party titles, and then all we'd get is "version 2" of everything. I'm not saying sequals are bad or anything, I just think that spreading out the releases at a constant pace would keep sales steady.
If these have already been addressed earlier then forgive me, I didn't feel like reading the whole thread. But remember, you can post what you want to happen millions of times, but Nintendo's still going to do what they want.
Post by: A-A-R-O-N on July 01, 2003, 09:11:56 AM
Aaron
Post by: Don'tHate742 on July 01, 2003, 09:25:18 AM
Why are you worring about Nintendo anyways? It's not going anywhere!
Look, you don't need to think about Nintendo, Nintendo can think about and for themselves, all you need to do is stop worring, play games, and have a good time. Everyone one thinks they "know" exactly what Nintendo needs to do.......Nintendo's not stupid, they know exactly what they need to do, but they are stubborn, but not stupid. They like to be different. SO please............pleasesesesesse leave your "I think Nintendo should do this to succeed" comments to yourselves, or at least until right before the next consoles luanch, not 2 years from then..............damn.
Also to the creator of the thread....
"To all you fine GameCube soldiers" ------ what the heck?
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 01, 2003, 10:01:16 AM
Post by: Big_Pimp on July 01, 2003, 10:17:16 AM
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package a god damn game in with the system like with the NES, SNES and Gameboy did way back when. But don't let anyone know until like the last minute before announcing a game will be packed in, (preferribly a Mario game that is truely revolutionary), so Sony and Microsoft don't follow suit and make it pointless. It think it was really cheap to not put a game in with the N64 and not even a damn demo disk with the GCN until recently.
I totally agree with you, and that Mario game should be a remake of Super Mario Bros. 3 in 3D, best Mario game EVER!!!
Post by: Idiot Savant on July 01, 2003, 10:52:21 AM
As an example, Peach will have to venture into a swampy area. At the end of the level, if the player achieved 100%, a fmv of Peach taking a shower will play. Or at the end of a city stage, a fmv of Peach changing her clothes to suit the next level.
Even better, if the player should achieve 100% at the end of the game, the player will be rewaded with a fmv of Peach making out with Mario! The content of the fmvs should not be explicit but controversial, along the lines of DOA: Xtreme Beach Volleyball.
Just imagine, Nintendo will never need to spend much on advertising and could claim that "GC2 is not your little brother system".
The media will hype this game and the Nintendo brand until the end of time!
I also propose that the current Nintendo franchises should not be the primary focus in the next system. Instead from now 'til the next system, Nintendo should prohibit all "cartoon looking" games on its system. Even Pokemon.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on July 01, 2003, 11:23:44 AM
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Originally posted by: WhoDey
"3) Pokemon online
But why they have never released a full-fledged Pokemon rpg for their consoles is beyond me.
<snip, snip>
People that don't buy Nintendo don't care about Mario and Zelda. They care about sports and realistic games.
I agree on both points. If not Pokemon Online, then a huge Pokemon RPG for GC2. Nintendo has RPG gold sitting in front of its nose but it has chosen not to take advantage...I can't figure out why either.
And, while Pokemon appeals mainly to children, that doesn't mean it ALWAYS has to. The Pokemon design is so brilliant that with a few tweaks (new character designs, make some of the monsters a little more bad-ass) you could make it appeal to practically any age group. Building up your creatures and then walking around kicking people's butts with them...what's not to love about that? Having an online Pokemon world championship tournament would be a really cool idea too.
Also, you're right - Mario and Zelda are becoming niche titles. As in, if you're buying a Nintendo console you're buying it because you want to play Mario and Zelda. I think it's generally accepted nowadays that if you want a broad range of genres you buy PS2, and if you want Nintendo franchises you obviously buy a Nintendo console. Nintendo really needs to break out of this in the future - they can't afford to rely on Mario and Zelda as their biggest games because they don't have the mainstream appeal they used to. They're still major releases but they're not the blockbusters they were at one time.
One more thing - don't make the console look like a lunchbox or anything that could be construed as juvenile. I don't know how many times I've said this, but make it look right at home in the same rack as a home theater system.
silks
Post by: Uglydot on July 01, 2003, 12:01:54 PM
Post by: WhoDey on July 01, 2003, 12:50:46 PM
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One more thing - don't make the console look like a lunchbox or anything that could be construed as juvenile. I don't know how many times I've said this, but make it look right at home in the same rack as a home theater system.
silks
Oh yeah...totally forgot about that. I wonder if Nintendo even realizes how many American gamers they turned off to the GC simply by the color they chose to feature it in? Purple? The only color worse than that for adolescent males is pink. I understand that looks shouldn't matter but lets be honest. A lot of people went with X-Box and PS2 simply because of the color.
I'd love to know whose idea that was. I can't imagine someone from the American branch suggesting that. If was the Japanese branch (different cultures), I can't believe the American branch couldn't convince them this was a bad idea. Us Nintendo die hards will buy any color but to the people trying to decide which console...well, purple helped their decision I'm sure.
Post by: Mario on July 01, 2003, 04:17:57 PM
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I agree on both points. If not Pokemon Online, then a huge Pokemon RPG for GC2. Nintendo has RPG gold sitting in front of its nose but it has chosen not to take advantage...I can't figure out why either.
Nintendo havent made a huge Pokemon RPG because it will most definately cut into sales of thier Gameboy games. Pokemon is keeping Nintendo's gameboy alive, and its the only Nintendo product that actually sells here in Australia. Making a huge full 3D pokemon RPG for the Gamecube would be a bad business decision, and i dont see Nintendo doing it until they are really desperate. It would be good for gamers however
Post by: Bartman3010 on July 01, 2003, 05:29:42 PM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on July 02, 2003, 02:09:44 AM
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Last year (my Senior year) in high school, I got a decent amount (I'd say ten or so) of new people to play the Pokemon card game, plus rekindled interest in older players. Some of them became far more obsessed than me (sure, I used to be a Gym Leader at my local League, but admittedly, I didn't really care about collecting, just playing) and just kept buying packs and packs of cards.
Congratulations!!!!
On your decision to never ever get laid.
Post by: BigJim on July 02, 2003, 03:13:34 AM
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I agree on both points. If not Pokemon Online, then a huge Pokemon RPG for GC2. Nintendo has RPG gold sitting in front of its nose but it has chosen not to take advantage...I can't figure out why either.
Nintendo havent made a huge Pokemon RPG because it will most definately cut into sales of thier Gameboy games. Pokemon is keeping Nintendo's gameboy alive, and its the only Nintendo product that actually sells here in Australia. Making a huge full 3D pokemon RPG for the Gamecube would be a bad business decision, and i dont see Nintendo doing it until they are really desperate. It would be good for gamers however
The GBA was alive and well long before Pokemon. Ahem, monopoly.
Post by: Zeth on July 02, 2003, 08:26:19 AM
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Or like announcing Geist, Mario Kart, Pokemon Colloseum, Metal Gear Solid, and having playable demos of Star Fox and Final Fantasy. That was pretty dumb too eh?
OOH YAY I CAN'T WAIT FOR POKEMON COLLOSEUM AND STAR FOX THEY LOOK GREAT ^_~ and this is the company that's making Geist:
http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025727.html look at their WONDERFUL GAMES.
Post by: Mario on July 02, 2003, 07:28:12 PM
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I agree on both points. If not Pokemon Online, then a huge Pokemon RPG for GC2. Nintendo has RPG gold sitting in front of its nose but it has chosen not to take advantage...I can't figure out why either.
Nintendo havent made a huge Pokemon RPG because it will most definately cut into sales of thier Gameboy games. Pokemon is keeping Nintendo's gameboy alive, and its the only Nintendo product that actually sells here in Australia. Making a huge full 3D pokemon RPG for the Gamecube would be a bad business decision, and i dont see Nintendo doing it until they are really desperate. It would be good for gamers however
The GBA was alive and well long before Pokemon. Ahem, monopoly.
Like it or not, thats the reason we havent seen a Pokemon RPG on GC yet. However, Nintendo may get desperate and release one soon. They better!
Post by: theRPGFreak on July 02, 2003, 07:44:43 PM
As an example, Peach will have to venture into a swampy area. At the end of the level, if the player achieved 100%, a fmv of Peach taking a shower will play. Or at the end of a city stage, a fmv of Peach changing her clothes to suit the next level.
Even better, if the player should achieve 100% at the end of the game, the player will be rewaded with a fmv of Peach making out with Mario! The content of the fmvs should not be explicit but controversial, along the lines of DOA: Xtreme Beach Volleyball.
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Whoever wrote this...WTF?! I searously want to know if you were joking or if you were serious! As Nintendo said to worring fans at E3 "Mario will never start shooting hookers."
Now on another disscussion, I think that Nintendo is stronger than ever with their new president. Their last president slacked off and practicaly gave the number one spot to Sony with their Playstation. Nintendo has even said that this is why they are not number one, and that they will not let Sony do it again with their PSP.
Nintendo should also work with other companies to make new games. As silks said earlier, Nintendo can not keep relying on games such as Mario and Zelda. If these games get old, then Nintendo will hit the bucket. They should work with Square Soft to work on somehting close to Final Fantasy 7's success, and on something that gives players the freedom such as Grand Theft Auto did. I also think that the GBA should go online for connectivity. You could download demos to new GBA games since you can't rent them! Anyways, I also think that they should make Animal Crossing 2 for Gamecube2 which would be awsome.
Post by: Mario on July 02, 2003, 07:52:13 PM
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Now on another disscussion, I think that Nintendo is stronger than ever with their new president.
What has Iwata actually done?
Post by: Darc Requiem on July 02, 2003, 10:04:13 PM
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Now on another disscussion, I think that Nintendo is stronger than ever with their new president.
What has Iwata actually done?
As of yet, not much really but I agree that Nintendo will do better under Iwata. Iwata seems willing to be aggressive enough to get Nintendo back to first place. I'm not saying he will get Nintendo back to number 1 in console sales but if someone can do it I think it will Iwata. I mean in the last couple of years Nintendo has had several suprising announcements. I think deals like the one with Capcom and Namco are only the tip of the iceberg. Te GC's successor will probably have several similar deals that will net it the third party exclusives at launch that will get even Sony gamers to take notice.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Mario on July 02, 2003, 10:36:44 PM
Post by: Idiot Savant on July 03, 2003, 02:20:38 AM
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No, No No! No Mario game. What Nintendo should do is create a game based on Peach and have it as a pack on. Instead of Mario rescueing Peach, Peach should rescue Mario! They could based the game similar to Tomb Raider and market it as a mature game.
As an example, Peach will have to venture into a swampy area. At the end of the level, if the player achieved 100%, a fmv of Peach taking a shower will play. Or at the end of a city stage, a fmv of Peach changing her clothes to suit the next level.
Even better, if the player should achieve 100% at the end of the game, the player will be rewaded with a fmv of Peach making out with Mario! The content of the fmvs should not be explicit but controversial, along the lines of DOA: Xtreme Beach Volleyball.
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Whoever wrote this...WTF?! I searously want to know if you were joking or if you were serious! As Nintendo said to worring fans at E3 "Mario will never start shooting hookers."
I, IDIOT SAVANT wrote this!! Like I said, NO MARIO GAME! Nintendo needs new franchises to reflect the mature market. Each new edition of a Mario game is getting less reception. People who played with G.I. Joes in their youth are no longer playing them. They simply moved on and Nintendo NEEDS to move on. If Nintendo plans to launch its next console with its current franchises, they will
be where Sega is today. A third party publisher.
If the next console is priced similar to Xbox2 or PS3, it should be packed with as much features as possible to give the buyer a good value for their money whether they use it or not. Basically, the next console should have what the Xbox has today but more powerful and more/better use of it features. The hard drive should not just be for games but the ability to use it as a HDR similar to TiVo or Replay but without the need for subscription fees. Simply put a Tv tuner in it and have the buyer purchase a remote control to activate it to subsidise the cost.
If it turns out to be more powerful than the competition, then they need to subsidise the development of these games by third party publishers to reflect it. The way the GC market is going they will need to do it for their next console. Third party will not spend the extra money, they will simply port it.
On a final note. NO MORE MULTIPLE COLORS. Nintendo should stick with one color, any color whether its blue, green, white, red, black, silver, pink, etc., one color, just one color!
Post by: Don'tHate742 on July 03, 2003, 09:48:18 AM
Post by: theRPGFreak on July 03, 2003, 10:10:31 AM
Post by: Gamebasher on July 03, 2003, 10:27:00 AM
If there is one thing I dislike more, it is fanboys, who can only see what his or her rolemodel, or rolecompany wants! They are their favourite company´s worst problem, even if not realizing and admitting it, because they don´t critize what that company does wrong and therefore help that company to judge what it makes right and what it makes wrong! Has Nintendo not learned from the time where SONY dominated the consolemarket? With Microsoft now taking it´s own bite of the same market and still they are behaving like nothing had changed! I don´t care how many third parties they will get to develope games for their console, we can get the same games on the other consoles too! What counts is that they do not dissapoint with the first-party games! Because that is the reason we buy Nintendo´s machine these days.
I don´t really care how many in this forum will tell me I am wrong, instead I will refer them to the gamemedia experts (the ones who run the game websites and make the gamemags) who to considerable degree lament Nintendo´s current direction! They´re the people who conduct all the interviews, get the early gamecode, write previews and reviews, and who play more games than we can ever hope to get to play!!!! I´m not kidding, I really read all of this every week (Nintendo criticism). I even write to some of them about Nintendo´s errors and they write back and agree with me. They just don´t think Nintendo is going to listen... So the people who say to me that "you should just play the games they make and be happy" are not realizing that I and a growing number of people are nesscesarry to help Nintendo steer through the times ahead and get to where they want to be. They need our criticism. Not unrelentlessly so, but they need to listen.
We only hope it will all change in the next generation. I will keep my hopes high for something like that.
Gamebasher.
Post by: Lecter on July 03, 2003, 05:30:17 PM
Post by: Mario on July 03, 2003, 11:46:28 PM
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Nintendo will be forced to get their fingers out and start listening to what people want, instead of being "creative" and make what they want and refuse to listen to people at E3 (2002) who rightfully enquire why they give us what we don´t want.
No thankyou. Id rather see more games like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Super Monkey Ball and Viewtiful Joe.
Post by: Idiot Savant on July 04, 2003, 01:39:49 AM
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oh...uh... opps and sorry Idiot Savant...
Apologies accepted. Next time remember thy name. Thy name is Idiot Savant!
Another thing, the next system should have built in GB, GBC and GBA support. To use it, you need to buy a dics and in this disc it should have software to play these games over the internet.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on July 04, 2003, 02:07:09 AM
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Nintendo will be forced to get their fingers out and start listening to what people want, instead of being "creative" and make what they want and refuse to listen to people at E3 (2002) who rightfully enquire why they give us what we don´t want.
No thankyou. Id rather see more games like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Super Monkey Ball and Viewtiful Joe.
still doesnt mean they cant cater more to the mainstream
why not those games you listed, and a couple others, shooters, action games, the stuff the mainstream wants
Post by: Mario on July 04, 2003, 02:58:50 AM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
Nintendo will be forced to get their fingers out and start listening to what people want, instead of being "creative" and make what they want and refuse to listen to people at E3 (2002) who rightfully enquire why they give us what we don´t want.
No thankyou. Id rather see more games like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Super Monkey Ball and Viewtiful Joe.
still doesnt mean they cant cater more to the mainstream
why not those games you listed, and a couple others, shooters, action games, the stuff the mainstream wants
Well if they could cater for both, then thats great, they should.
Post by: Marcus Arillius on July 04, 2003, 07:15:08 AM
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I also hope that Nintendo doesnt come up with another lame brain gba/gc connectivity idea. It wastes valuable resources that could be spent making sure there are good launch games. They were hyping the damn thing so much at the last two e3's, that I actually thought they had something cool comming up. I was hoping for wave bird... what I got was virtua boy. Also some sort of online play would be nice. I know some of you guys are saying that the gc to gc connectivity is enough... but thats old news. Its been around since the ps1 for god sakes! And the same problems apply. You need two tvs. At this rate, my wristwatch will be online before nintendo. Net play is the future, Nintendo needs to get off its rear and stop waiting for sony and MS to blaze the trail first.
thank god you said it. i'm not a fan of online play, but i'd rather have online play than pointless gba/gc connectivity. its more of a hassle than a help.
Post by: XMasterLinkX on July 05, 2003, 12:08:49 PM
Nintendo knows what they have to do to satisfy there fans, because Nintendo has the reputation of putting things on delay, but there is a good reason of that, because when they come out at the right time, they spark up and people love it when they come out when it is at its peak, because that is when is the right time... Mario 128 will come out eventually, and Zelda cel shaded, is fine because, Miyamoto wanted to bring back the LTTP kind of look, because if you look at LTTP, you can kind of see that it was cartoonish. I mean Mario Sunshine was pretty good, as it was not a sequel to Mario 64, but that is because Mario 128 was not even being made, because it was being discussed... But look at Ocarina of Time, and Majoras Mask, was Majoras Mask a sequel to Zelda OoT, or not? I see that Miyamoto is doing the same with Zelda, because WindWaker had alot of questions that still hadn't been answered... WindWaker could be alot of things, and for people that have not played or completed the game, I will not go further on what should or could happen in the next Zelda game, or what should have happened in Wind Waker... But just because Nintendo doesn't speed things up doesn't make them in bad shape, because I am a Nintendo fan, NOTE: I said fan not fanboy. , and I think that Nintendo will start talking about there next system when there good and ready... There have been rumors of a realistic Zelda at E3, which doesn't mean it will release... Alot of people would like to think so, but it doesn't work that way. Back to GC2, you can't say anything about GC2, if your talking about Nintendo going Third Party, because that wouldn't make any sense. Nintendo won't go third party, but bringing up that Nintendo will and then a GC2, would make me confused, as to alot of other people. So just keep on a subject that makes sense, and we will all be happy. Thank You...
XMasterLinkX(The Real Link)
Post by: nonjagged on July 06, 2003, 07:30:16 AM
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*sigh* Why must we see all these threads? That's what I really want to know.
Nintendo will do what Nintendo does without consulting us. That's what they have been doing for all my life, and that's a large part of the reason I love them so much. They do things unexpectedly, and they always have a surprise for us. If they gave us what we asked for with every game, then it would get stale really quick wouldn't it? We would have Mario killing hookers, and we would have Link bleeding all over the ground. Personally, that's something that I don't want to see. If Nintendo became like everyone else, then the Nintendo we all love will be gone.
Nintendo is making lots of money, and they are doing just fine. Why not let them make the business decisions?
I don't really mind if people have a short list of games that they REALLY want to see at launch, but going gung-ho and telling everyone that they have the "one true plan to RULE THEM ALL" is a little presumptuous I think. It's my opinion that Nintendo knows what's best.
I agree Grey N
Read the proceding link article for a royal laugh. The writer believes Nintendo is arrogant & for no apparent reason or something. It s actually documented Square actually went first to the public and bashed Nintendo etc publically and then this writer claims Nintendo being the arrogant ones? WTF? Clueless.
http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=4894
Dear whats-best-for-Nintendo-know-alls aka Trolls. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nintendo's strategies. If you want predominately dodgy, shallow, boobs, gore, as your core entertainment, gamers are more than welcome to chose PSX or PC which do accept more of those cheap attributes in an effort to attract attention within the competing piles of releases.
Nintendo will never chase endless 3rd party support for its consoles to be "number 1" because Nintendo knows the endless 3rd parties couldnt provide the quality to match Nintendo 1st-2nd party software and endless 3rd parties is no substitute for being a gaming-only platform.
The top 10 ranked 3rd party developers in Japan are more than adequate to provide software for Nintendo's consoles. They are eating out the palm of Nintendo's hand. Ask Hideo Kojima what his favourite platform is and he will smile GBA, likely because it allows him to replay classics of past generations.
Know-all Nintendo analists should comprehend that Nintendo will never ever regain "number 1" position because Nintendo is a gaming company with gaming-only platforms.
Previously before the 3DO, all gaming platform specialised in just gaming. If a particular platform sold better than another platform the reason was because the platform had more popular game software, not the biggest software library.
Nowdays many more factors influence platform sales like, lack of competition during launch, and Multi-media playback, and lack of piracy protection due to using a non-proprietory data medium ie a mainstream data format.
Nintendo will never, ever retain "number 1" console platform sales positions because Nintendo is no longer up against other gaming-only platforms like Sega Saturn, Nintendo is up against Multi-Media platforms that appeal to more than gaming-only markets and in general any mainstreamers wanting some form of entertainment like eg. Karaoke etc.
We have established Nintendo is a gaming-only company since 200 years ago when they painted sea-shells as a form of a game.
Gamer's wishing for Nintendo to drop it's modern-day digital-gaming protective proprietory data mediums (ie. proprietory cartridges or proprietory GODiscs as apposed to mainstream formats like CD-ROM or DVD) should quit while they are behind in their thinking.
It is imparative that Nintendo focuses on maintaining adequate protection of its franchises/software it actually develops, while Nintendo leaves it up to immitators like $ony & M$ to fight it out who gets the bigger install userbase or more importantly who gets the bigger amount of console unit sales to go with their over-inflated ego & power-control.
Its not hard to figure that $ony once in partnership with Nintendo, had visions of creating multi-media entertainment units to support $ony Pictures & $ony Music industries which Nintendo did not want to take part of.
Contrary to popular belief or mainstream thinking, the next Nintendo platform will not have DVD playback. It will not have HD-DVD or Super DVD or whatever the format you want to call it. It will be proprietory. It will be a gaming-only however will offer more than just Handheld connection. Nintendo's future is incorporating newer ways of interacting with digital games. Future generations of Nintendo platforms will support connection wireless VR headset connection or holographic projectors which light-up a room at night.
What the future Nintendo platforms will not do is play DVD, or manage digital photography, or require Credit Cards, or HDD record TV broadcasts of public station Movies, just as Video Hire franchises have done biased deals to favour one multi-media platform over the other.
Heck one would cringe if Pay-TV services start getting bias and do deals to have built-in receivers in the next-gen multi-media platforms.
HDD Record Live Pay-TV broadcasts of Robbie Williams in concert on the next Xbox platform or HDD Record Live Pay-TV broadcasts of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (Directors Cut, Super Digitally Enhanced, Tweaked to the Max version 12.3) on the next Psx platform, is not my idea of gaming entertainment.
For me I couldnt care less if $ony or M$ block the distribution of software in Video Store franchises or team up with Pay TV service providers to create the ultimate set-top-box, because Nintendo is and will be forever a gaming-only platform company, and where the software that is actually created by Nintendo 1st-2nd party developers is actually worth buying in the first place. Nintendo will not be a pimp to the latest mainstream data format and pay fees to consortiums. Nintendo makes its own software on its own format.
So in reality, for me at least, I cant relate to the weekly posts that offer advise for Nintendo on how to run their 2 century old business and how to be "number 1" in sales. But that could be just me.
To me Nintendo was "number 1" as soon as they proved their phylosophy of delivering realtime gaming entertainment and launched a disc based software medium that has practically realtime load-times.
So in my eyes Nintendo won this generation "console wars" regardless of its total units sales figures and regardless of its eclipsing size of 1st party software and regradless of whether it takes its software online or not.
I am a gamer. Nintendo & my PC satisfy my needs better than anything else available.
I wont plead with Nintendo to mimmick the other mainstreamers for the sake of being universally accepted or pirate friendly.
Nintendo makes billion$ using proprietory formats, image if Nintendo just released its software on mainstream mediums such as CD-ROM and DVD and heck why not throw in a DVD recorder not just player, then it (Nintendo) would possibly make Trillion$. Oh well I guess billion$ is more than adequate.
Nintendo's biggest obstacle is its fanbase acting like trolls and the mainstream market that dont have the time to play huge games.
The following link is a prime example of a clueless troll.
http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=4894
Oh and in my opinion if Nintendo launched first in the next-gen with launch support from Square-Enix (FF & DQ) and Konami (MGS or SH) that alone is enough to equal getting launch support from 50 x 3rd parties.
With Nintendo platforms its all about quality not quantity. We must learn to deal with it.
3rd parties cant compete on a quality platform like Nintendo's and they sure wont waste their time when the ps2 already had a larger userbase which can make them money as theres a better chance they will get mainstream suckers buying their quite-often lower quality games.
Post by: kennyb27 on July 07, 2003, 09:41:40 AM
Firstly,
QuoteSo n-Space may not have the best lineup of previously delivered games, but this game is being over-looked by Nintendo and it will be given the proper attention and time to complete. I think it's a great idea and will be more than fun to play.
OOH YAY I CAN'T WAIT FOR POKEMON COLLOSEUM AND STAR FOX THEY LOOK GREAT ^_~ and this is the company that's making Geist:
Secondly, I don't like threads like this, because I think Nintendo knows what they are doing and always has. Let them make the decisions and we will have fun with the system.
Post by: Zelda on July 07, 2003, 09:58:03 AM
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It s actually documented Square actually went first to the public and bashed Nintendo etc publically
What? Are you saying Square bashed nintendo? When did they do this?
Post by: nonjagged on July 07, 2003, 10:23:25 AM
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It s actually documented Square actually went first to the public and bashed Nintendo etc publically
What? Are you saying Square bashed nintendo? When did they do this?
yes I am saying this. Square did it when Nintendo informed Square that Nintendo will drop the proposed CD-ROM format it was working on with $ony.
Square was furious because they invested heaps in CD-ROM format (especially FMV pre-rendering which costed alot of time and money for them) so Square aligned in bed with $ony and during this process it was risky for Square to do this alone, so they attracted Enix, Namco, Konami etc by publically bashing Nintendo and claiming Carts are no good etc
Naturally they also followed because CD-ROM Royalty fees where lower than Carts but remember there where many CD-ROM paltforms by Sega which Square never touched.
Because Square convinced them all to follow when Square aligned with $ony but also because $ony had big checkbooks to offer as incentives and exclusives.
Just last year Square publically mumbled/announced that Square is sorry (to Nintendo) that Square's pride (aka ego) got the better of them when Square publically bashed Nintendo back in the late SNES days.
Thats way Ive interpreted the documentations and announcements.
Links are not provided and the time line is SNES till last year.
PS Nintendo was not arrogant for not going with CD-ROM format as Nintendo was well aware of seeing many platforms go bust with piracy etc, but Nintendo's needs to protect its software it actually creates was priority over easily manufactured and cheaper CD-ROM format.
Nintendo had NOT been arrogant it simply waited until someone better than $ony's proposals (enter Panasonic and GODiscs format) to protect Nintendo's NEEDS not arrogance, like many trolls claim.
Yes we all know that you can play MAME and Nintendo ROMs on Xbox and we all know that NINTENDO is the only company that makes an effort to create a platform that doesnt promote pimping itself to illegal ROMS, MAME and whatever else.
Post by: Zelda on July 07, 2003, 10:55:15 AM
Post by: nonjagged on July 07, 2003, 11:14:20 AM
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..That isn't publicly bashing Nintendo.
Giving you a simplistic definition of years of turmoil, shouldnt really result to an answer like that.
Square did not bash a PSX over Nintendo's head. Nor Square, didnt whisper into someone's ear to publically bash Nintendo, they actually went out of their way and used Japanese media sources to defame against Nintendo. Thats IS publically bashing. Just as M$ has been trying to do against Nintendo over the months during their Website interviews, but Square did it in a more blunt way to attract other established 3rd parties to hold its hand in the grudge switch.
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..That's just choosing to support PSX over N64.
Its not just chosing one platform over the other. Its attacking one platform over the other, after a long relationship that made them wealthy.
If Square left without making a fuss in Japanese media, then you would have some form of statement.
Post by: theRPGFreak on July 07, 2003, 07:13:13 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on July 08, 2003, 11:30:07 AM
If all they want to do is make top-quality games that will appeal to the Nintendo hardcore, they should become a third-party.
Nintendo tends to blather on about quality vs. quantity but that's just a smokescreen to distract people from the fact that nobody's making good games for their console but them.
silks
Post by: Cooolcorey on July 08, 2003, 12:20:37 PM
A: To make money.
If anyone should go third party, it's Microsoft. Sure, they might be ahead of Nintendo (in the U.S.) in sales, but nowhere near in profit. Don't even get me started, this has already been discussed in not one, but TWO other threads, and probably more before I came here. Nintendo has stated that they WILL NOT go third party, so quit suggesting that because they won't listen, therefore that is not an option for "What Nintendo should do when launching GC2", therefore you are off-topic. Let's get back on topic and say something that Nintendo might actually do when they launch the GC2.
Post by: ThePerm on July 08, 2003, 01:37:31 PM
