Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 14, 2015, 10:39:25 AM
even better those wii games for download actually just boot into wii mode. You are literally paying 10 to 20 bucks for gamepad intergration
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Triforce Hermit on January 14, 2015, 10:42:20 AM
Eh, Metroid Prime Trilogy is cheaper for download though.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2015, 10:48:19 AM
I'm not sure what you're talking about with your last point, but they don't boot into Wii mode it says. Though unless they run in 1080p and have widescreen added (and honestly there is no reason for them not to), then there's no reason to buy them if you already own them.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 10:50:18 AM
The reason is to have them always on the system without having to switch discs. That's easily worth $10 to me, at least for certain games.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 14, 2015, 10:52:57 AM
I'm not sure what you're talking about with your last point, but they don't boot into Wii mode it says. Though unless they run in 1080p and have widescreen added (and honestly there is no reason for them not to), then there's no reason to buy them if you already own them.
According to those who have bought one of the games, it DOES boot into wii mode when you click the game button. Hell, when you turn off the game it actually reboots the entire console and it isn't possible to bring up the home menu like you can with Wii U titles, eshop games, and virtual console games.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 14, 2015, 10:57:31 AM
I'm turning into Ian Sane with less to say
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: UncleBob on January 14, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 14, 2015, 12:34:43 PM
He makes better points and doesn't repeat himself so I don't think the comparison works. And he uses the funhouse.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
Oh I didn't realize that SMG2 was out already. That's stupid. There is no reason to have to reboot the console like that, the game could easily be updated to boot from the Wii U, or a system update could easily add support for "Wii Classics" to boot in Wii U mode and run at 1080p.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2015, 12:58:33 PM
Yep, it's just the Wii version. Lame.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2015, 01:03:09 PM
This only reinforces the point that Nintendo has no forward thought process. Their engineers are stuck in the now of yesterday, instead of the now for tomorrow.
They need a new product development and future integration specialist. someone with some vision of how things made today will work for the ever changing needs of tomorrow, and not build yourself in a corner where you need new hardware everytime you want to add something new features.
p.s. I haven't seen the news this is referring to, only responding to the thoughts in this thread.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2015, 01:27:36 PM
Homebrew developers have already added Wii U Pro Controller support (and Dual Shock 3, Dual Shock 4, GameCube - yes, the Wii U can play GameCube games) for Wii games in Wii mode. Nintendo could just as easily do the same (and basically that's all that they have done in this situation), and not make people re-buy games. Of course there's no money in that.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 01:29:34 PM
I'm not sure which Nintendo you're familiar with that would even consider adding functionality like this for free when people would pay for it.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Soren on January 14, 2015, 01:39:24 PM
Nintendo's like "hey guys, we saved you a couple of button presses and about 2 minutes of wait time can we have 10/20 dollars please?"
There's no reason to buy these games if you don't have them already. Nintendo did manage to stick it to Gamestop with the pricing of specific games and I love them for that.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Ceric on January 14, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
There Priced 10/20 Dollars for a digital version of these games. There also easy to find this way. That's what your paying for.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 14, 2015, 03:34:50 PM
That's fine. What I shouldn't have to pay for is the GamePad integration of Wii titles, which is exactly what they are doing. What makes this worse is that the three they have announced for the US so far don't even use the GamePad.
Not only that, their selection so far is basically their Virtual Console model. "Let's release one game per week for a few weeks then never talk about it again!" If they release more than 10 games this way by the end of the year I will eat my hat. The only one worth it in the US is Metroid Prime Trilogy, while the other two are still relatively easy to find on your own. We should have gotten Pandora's Tower and/or Sin and Punishment 2 like EU did.
I'm not sure which Nintendo you're familiar with that would even consider adding functionality like this for free when people would pay for it.
And if people stopped gobbling that **** up then they wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 03:41:51 PM
You can play them on the GamePad now, right from the discs. It doesn't work as a Classic Controller, but none of this first wave supports that anyway.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 14, 2015, 04:58:32 PM
I know this. By "integration" I mean as a controller. I don't see using it as a screen really counts as that, but I suppose that's just semantics.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 05:01:30 PM
Have they even shown a game that would work with that? The first set all don't, and of the others Sin & Punishment 2 supports it but should never under any circumstances be played that way.
EDIT: They could conceivably patch it into DKCR, in which case it'd absolutely be worth the money.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 14, 2015, 05:37:58 PM
Have they even shown a game that would work with that?
No, but that isn't the point *EDIT:Pandora's Tower supports it, I believe*. They made that a selling point for these titles and then don't even offer games that support it. My hope is that it becomes system-wide for Wii Mode since its obvious they have it working but knowing Nintendo, that won't happen.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 05:49:59 PM
That seems likely. I was expecting it at some point even before they showed they were doing it for this. Just to have it for VC games would be huge.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 14, 2015, 06:26:59 PM
why in the hell did they gimp the fucking machine to force backwards compatibility if people were going to be OKAY with rebuying games they already can play just to have a digital icon? This is why Nintendo can't get their fans excited for their ****, they do everything wrong and then instead of boycotting their **** people buy it anyways. This make no sense because they could be releasing GameCube games or N64 games or something people can't already play but whatever. This makes less sense than putting GBA games on Wii U VC.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Crimm on January 14, 2015, 07:47:49 PM
I'm going to give an award for most irrationally angry post in this thread. Judging is now in progress.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 08:48:28 PM
I find it interesting that this is the point where people are drawing the line. Such a minor, arbitrary point to go nuts over.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: pokepal148 on January 14, 2015, 09:05:19 PM
I find it interesting that this is the point where people are drawing the line. Such a minor, arbitrary point to go nuts over.
I'm not sure id that is directed on me or marvel, because if it's at me, I thought I made it clear that the New 3DS issues wasn't the only thing I'm upset about.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
It wasn't really anyone in particular, more the collective reaction. Seems so out of proportion.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 14, 2015, 11:29:56 PM
Marvel you almost have a good point, but by gimping the system the people can get the game with an icon with essentially zero work done by Nintendo (or any developer that wants to dump their ISOs on the Wii U eShop. If they didn't base the Wii U on the Wii/GameCube, then they would have to use an emulator, or actually port the games.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
That's why they did it. If they'd had to do real work they would have probably done other things first, but if Nintendo can get you to pay them $10 for essentially no effort they'll absolutely do it.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2015, 11:34:03 PM
At first, it seemed like I clicked into the wrong funhouse then I realized that this is in the funhouse because almost everyone in this thread is somehow Ian Sane. Carry on.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Crimm on January 14, 2015, 11:46:59 PM
almost everyone in this thread is somehow Ian Sane. Carry on.
Done
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 15, 2015, 12:49:42 AM
ok that title is wrong, more like $20 bucks in a month amirite
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Stogi on January 15, 2015, 02:34:45 PM
Just want to say that I've replayed SMG2 recently and it holds up better than ever.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 15, 2015, 03:12:32 PM
I wasn't being serious, not in this thread. I am not even at all phased by the news honestly just think it is stupid that they are spending time and money porting games that area already playable when that money could be used porting games that are not playable.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2015, 03:41:37 PM
They're spending extremely little time and money doing this, though. They just found a way to quick launch Wii software from the Wii U menu and trick it into supporting GamePad controls. Bringing over N64 or GameCube games would likely require significantly more work
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Soren on January 15, 2015, 04:26:46 PM
They're spending so little money on this I bet digital copies will sell out shortly and soon we'll be begging for codes on eBay.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 15, 2015, 04:45:52 PM
They're spending extremely little time and money doing this, though. They just found a way to quick launch Wii software from the Wii U menu and trick it into supporting GamePad controls. Bringing over N64 or GameCube games would likely require significantly more work
how so? Wii *IS* a GameCube the software is already compatible with Wii U they just need to patch it in, its not that difficult. Wii is built into Wii U. Yes it would take some emulation to a certain degree but not anywhere close to what you are suggesting, not when they alreaady have an N64 Emulator that runs in Wii Mode, all it would take is the SAME PATCH that does this applied to the N64 games in Wii mode, so no its not more effort its the same effort.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2015, 05:00:58 PM
GameCube support would require them to put more thought into control setups and probably take a bit more behind the scenes work, but it probably wouldn't be that much more work. The bigger difference there is probably that they think there's more money to be had selling Galaxy 2 than there is in Sunshine.
As for the N64, from what it sounds like it was a huge pain in the ass to get things working on the Wii, and required on ton of tweaking on a per-game basis, which is why we got so few games for it. It'd be easier to do it on Wii U than on Wii, but it'd still take work to get it up to the standards Nintendo holds itself to for the VC.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2015, 05:01:42 PM
GameCube wouldn't require much work at all. No emulation required, just add in the GameCube "launcher" to the vWii.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 15, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
GameCube wouldn't require much work at all. No emulation required, just add in the GameCube "launcher" to the vWii.
Not to mention they already have a Game Cube adapter that could be made to work with default controls no need to .... whatever I don't care its a stupid move they could have done it for very little investment and people would have been okay with it, this is lame it make no sense because its not like Wii which had a large enough userbase to milk this is just strange.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 15, 2015, 05:27:04 PM
to add to the bullshit it looks like the charge cradle for the new 3ds xl is not coming to america
they really have no faith in the system in the us, do they? 4ds announcement at e3 y/y?
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2015, 08:58:45 PM
I'm forgetting that the Wii U can't take mini discs, so GameCube from the original disc is a no go nokatger what. That is the only reason though.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2015, 09:49:56 PM
I keep meaning to install homebrew and set up the GameCube thing with it but I never get around to it. Was going to do the Wii hard drive loader too but now I don't know that I care enough.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: Phil on January 15, 2015, 10:09:18 PM
Nintendo sat in my seat in my tenth grade geometry class. Little bitch.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2015, 11:14:11 PM
I haven't tried setting up my Wii U for Wii homebrew yet, but I plan on doing it soon. If I get it set up I'll make a post of what I did. The one good thing about it is that, provided you don't **** it up in the process, you don't have to worry about any updates deleting your stuff since Nintendo has never updated the vWii iOS (and most likely never will) and the system updates don't even look at it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2015, 11:16:58 PM
Keep in mind it requires a non-SDHC SD card. I had to order one, and even though they cost basically nothing these days that was annoying.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 15, 2015, 11:34:27 PM
I'm pretty sure a 4GB SDHC card will work, but nothing higher than that. Either way I've got several old ones from back in the day.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 18, 2015, 12:21:39 AM
Used an old 1GB SC card and Bathaxx (LEGO Batman exploit) to install HBC on my Wii U. The only apps I've installed are Aspect_Fix (just reloads HBC into 16:9 since it's forced to 4:3 by the Wii U thinking it's a VC game) and Nintendont. Nintendont is awesome. I just played SSBM on my Wii U using the Wii U Pro Controller (forced to run in 16:9 too!). I'm not a big Smash fan at all, and obviously the Wii U Pro Controller is not idea for the game, but it was pretty awesome to just load it up, and have it work perfectly. Gotta copy some games to my 32GB SDHC card (probably my USB drive actually).
Anyway, if anyone is interested in doing this (to get GameCube games on their Wii U), it's incredibly simple.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 18, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
How did you do this on the Wii? I tried a few times in the past and could never get them to load. However, I was trying to load my backups off of my harddrive so I'm not sure if that changes anything.
If I could somehow load my Wii and Gamecube backups without bricking my Wii U I would love that. I was too afraid to do that so I used an old Wii.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 18, 2015, 04:58:31 PM
It's the same process either way. On the Wii you can use Banner Bomb, but on the Wii U you can just a save file exploit. Just copy the save file from SD to the Wii (U), run the game and follow the instructions to trigger the exploit, while you have the hackMii installer on your SD (not SDHC) card (otherwise you will only crash the console) and install HBC from there. After that you just add the homebrew to the /apps/ directory (that you will need to create) on your SD card and load from HBC in the Wii Menu.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: pokepal148 on January 19, 2015, 12:31:02 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7upXalIAAAQy11.jpg)
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
I just installed homebrew/Nintendont on my Wii U, and like Brandogg said it's really simple and straightforward and it works great. I've been playing Super Mario Sunshine. It even supports the official Wii U GameCube controller adapter, so I get to use my WaveBirds.
Title: Re: NoA worst nintendo confirmed [actually nintendo is worst ninendo]
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2015, 09:55:50 PM
