Post by: SolidSamus on June 26, 2003, 08:24:30 PM
"I hate to lend credit to this ongoing rumor, too, but I figure I can't ignore it. At least one industry insider I spoke with brought up the whole Microsoft/Nintendo union; apparently Microsoft -- more than Nintendo -- is interested in some kind of partnership. "
-Matt(from ign)
I just wanted to know what all you guys thought about this, and if you think it may come true. I personally think it would benefit both companys. For nintendo to get one competitor out of the way, and for microsoft to gain some ground in japan. I think it would be pretty awesome.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 26, 2003, 08:26:38 PM
As for what I think of this? I think that Microsoft should just leave the console business and go back where they belong. they don't know games, and they never will. They have enough money as it is. They don't need ours.
Post by: greenwood on June 26, 2003, 09:04:41 PM
There's just one thing. MS would have to, have to, have to, absolutely have to be the ones to initiate this. Nintendo is much too proud to partner with MS so MS would have to be the one to bend. I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up that this partnership would have to allow Nintendo full autonomy when it comes to their games but we all know that Nintendo wouldn't agree to a partnership unless that was the case.
I'd love to see this happen but I don't think there's any chance it will. Never say never, though. Stranger things have happened.
Post by: Fish on June 26, 2003, 09:08:19 PM
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Never say never, though. Stranger things have happened.
Like what? havent seen cows flying backwards in the sky yet... Seriously i doubt this will never happen
Post by: One of a Kind on June 26, 2003, 09:11:17 PM
"The move, which was set into motion last June, was made by Nintendo in an attempt to ward off the possibility of a hostile takeover by another company."
IGN Cube
Post by: alvinaloy on June 26, 2003, 09:31:50 PM
Besides, I always welcome competition in the gaming industry. It keeps the companies on their toes to churn out better and cheaper stuff.
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 26, 2003, 09:41:10 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on June 26, 2003, 10:01:20 PM
This isnt the first time its reported, I think EGM also mentioned it. I dont understand the "partership" Does it mean Microsoft buying out Nintendo? That would make me very sad.... plus Iwata did say that the day Nintendo stopped making consoles is the day Nintendo stops being in the video game industry....
Or is it another type of partership? Nintendo and Microsofts next consoles being exactly the same except the M$ one would be a set top box type, while the nintendo box would be only for games? But you could play both Microsoft and Nintendo games on both consoles? I dont know....
If Nintendo does sell out, and go Third Party
Wouldnt it make more sense for them to go with Sony? I mean Sony sells in Japan, Microsoft does not..... Or would it be a slap to the face of Nintendo after the whole SNES CD Debacle? ........ Ill say this its intereting
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 26, 2003, 10:11:37 PM
http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=4292
Post by: Perfect Cell on June 26, 2003, 10:28:15 PM
..... still my previous post is my thoughts on the whole matter.... Im hoping its not Nintendo selling out if theres some speck of truth into this
Post by: egman on June 27, 2003, 03:57:20 AM
As for my personal opinion about the matter--I don't really care for it. I also don't understand some of the reasoning behind such a partnership. I've been lurking in other forums lately about these issues, and it seems like people truly think Nintendo's going bankrupt or something. As a matter a fact, I actually read post by some kid yesterday who truly thought Nintendo was in the same place that Sega was a couple of years ago, not releasing that Nintendo is still one of, if not the strongest performing Japanese corp. While Nintendo has made some misteps, and I have been critical of some of those things, I have never imagined Nintendo doing so badly that they would feel forced to merge to compete with Sony.
I think if we are going a see a partnership for Nintendo, I can really see them strengthing their ties with Matsushita/Panasonic and delivering the video game/home entertainmet people seem to want. And unlike the Microsoft scenario, I see even greater benefits for the two companies. Nintendo will have the backing from a company they are already close to, who has a similar mind about business, while Panasonic will not be left behind when Sony really tries to fly with their home entertainment plans. Panasonic tried to get into convergence before with the 3do/M2, but their posistion will be much stronger with Nintendo software development, which seems be beefing up and evolving to compete next gen. It makes more sense than Nintendo teaming up with a company which such a different philosophy toward game development, who will dump as much money as they can into a project in spite of its success. Nintendo has been known to can products and ideas that don't cut it financially, so I don't think they would dig some of Microsoft's strategies.
Post by: HolyPaladin on June 27, 2003, 05:09:01 AM
(I know, I flopped back and forth between different metaphors repeatedly in that paragraph.)
I don't care how often the rumor may come around or how credible the source might be, it isn't going to happen; at least not soon. I give Nintendo one more full generation apart from Microsoft. If this upcoming one goes bad for Nintendo, then I would more seriously consider Nintendo pairing with Microsoft.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 27, 2003, 05:16:54 AM
Reasons:
1) The X-Box was created as a system to bring MS into the console business and leverage them. Their next console was supposed to be the money maker. If they were to make a partnership with Nintendo, then tey would have just wasted a multi-million dollar market, if so.
2) Nintendo would not join Microsoft because their systems would clash to much in their genres. Microsoft is definitely willing to take plunges by having games like GTA, but Nintendo is hesitant. Just imagine how the image of Nintendo would be ruined if you ay DOA on its console.... O.o
Post by: egman on June 27, 2003, 06:07:42 AM
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With Nintendo only recently beginning to throw money and effort behind better marketting and development of their recognition, not to mention that they are working hard at crushing nuts during the next generation, it would continue to make less and even less sense that Nintendo would end up sleeping with Microsoft. That is like running a marathon as hard as you can drive yourself, even though you are secretly planning on the next guy winning instead of you. Why kill yourself running so hard for nothing? Is Nintendo trying to waste as much money as possible before ending up in Microsoft's bed?
(I know, I flopped back and forth between different metaphors repeatedly in that paragraph.)
I don't care how often the rumor may come around or how credible the source might be, it isn't going to happen; at least not soon. I give Nintendo one more full generation apart from Microsoft. If this upcoming one goes bad for Nintendo, then I would more seriously consider Nintendo pairing with Microsoft.
Exactly. I have a feeling these MS rumors are more akin to the "meGAtoN" rumors from earlier this year, fueled by fanboys who either desperately want Sony to go down or are pissed that they have to be buy three consoles instead of two.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 27, 2003, 07:07:51 AM
Post by: RickPowers on June 27, 2003, 07:20:22 AM
I've also hear rumors that since Microsoft and Nintendo are both rumored to be using ATI graphics chips for thier next boxes, that we might be moving to a standardized platform for games. Again, never going to happen. Console makers get thier cash from licensing, and with identical platforms, there's no incentive to publish for one or the other.
Anyway, I think this entire idea is being blown out of proportion. WAY out of proportion.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 27, 2003, 07:43:06 AM
^Take that as a slap in the face to people who blow things outta proportion.
Post by: egman on June 27, 2003, 08:06:21 AM
Furthermore, if people read that PGC had with Denis recently, he said himself that he felt MS was not really interested in games or the direction of the industry. Doesn't sound like the best thing for a developer to say about their company's supposed partner.
Is it me, or is there a distinct lack of common sense on the internet these days?
Post by: jarob on June 27, 2003, 08:23:23 AM
Post by: The Doc on June 27, 2003, 09:43:49 AM
The Doc
Post by: nonjagged on June 27, 2003, 10:56:42 AM
M$ have been try-hard trying to buy Nintendo for a few years now, while Nintendo keeps using Link's Triforce sheild to fend off M$ vultures because Nintendo would never merge or partnership with non gaming-only corporations, especially Western ones. In my opinion Nintendo will never ever merge or partnership with $ony or M$. Those corporations are mainstream market-chases, hence the use of DVD format or whatever format will be used by next generation media players.
Nintendo is a protective and proprietory format company and will never give up its ideals or its focus. Ever. Only one corporation is left since the CD-ROM format heydey and that is $ony luckily for its deals it did with securing 3rd parties, otherwise it ($ony) too would have gone the bust avenue of piracy. Well many of the psx 3rd parties did go bust anyway so thats a compromise. If you know what I mean regarding quality over quantity.
Everytime Nintendo declines on M$'s offers, M$ gets infuriated and publically bashes Nintendo through Xbox CEO or through Ken Lobb.
It took Nintendo 1 month to buyup shares in case of any hostile take-overs and M$ where aware of this and M$ indirect response to this was by publically claiming "Nintendo is not interested in the digital revolution because Nintendo is a toy company".
Nintendo should have come out and stated "We dont play mind games with digital mainstream-market chases, because were too busy play video games", but Nintendo hasnt because they dont even realise M$ exist in the market and Nintendo are busy doing what they have been doing for decades.
It truelly is funny how a corporation wants/needs another corporation but whenever the offer is declined the corporation resorts to public defamation.
It truelly is funny.
You know those famous anger-letters M$ have sent to eg. Home Brew Club or Linux etc, Nintendo should send M$ a letter refering to Nokia as being a good prospect for M$ to partner with. As they both seem to be struggling in this industry.
...And remember without M$ being able to buy shares in Nintendo, M$ will never be able to step allover Nintendo as a stepping stone to get to Square-Enix, which M$ have also been try-hard trying to buyup also.
Without Nintendo Square and Enix, M$ is nothing.
Nintendo, Square and Enix run the console business. End.
Post by: vudu on June 27, 2003, 11:21:51 AM
did anyone understand a word of that?
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 27, 2003, 11:35:24 AM
Basically it's like this. Nintendo recently bought back almost 6% of their shares, to ward off a potential attack from an outside force wanting to take them over. You have one guess to think of who would have the money and will to do that. The possibility of Nintendo wanting to cooperate with this outside force seems remote to say the least.
In short, Nintendo has no desire to partner with someone who has done nothing but lose money and buy things that they lose more money on than gain.
Post by: NintendoFanGirl on June 27, 2003, 11:59:13 AM
M$ and Nintendo should NEVER team up, never!!!
Post by: DRJ on June 27, 2003, 12:20:02 PM
Post by: AERO on June 27, 2003, 12:24:10 PM
BTW, can we clear this up. I think the arch enemy you guys are seeking is Ed Fries, not Bill Gates. Gates position is guy with the large purse. Fries runs the MS games division.
Post by: AgentSeven on June 27, 2003, 01:06:26 PM
Also Nintendo just bought back millions of dollars worth of their own stocks. Why? To prevent a hostile takeover from another company, most likely M$.
Reuters and The Wall Street Journal both posted articles predicting that $ony will lose over half of it's current user base to either Nintendo or M$ during the next round of console wars. Microsoft want's to steal $ony's dream of an ultimate living room hub and Nintendo just wants to make great game systems. It's a perfect partenership, escpecially for multi-console gamers like myself. M$ and Nintendo are like the odd couple. Their individual content perfectly compliments each other.
However, if you have a ps2 and an X-box, it's like getting more of the same thing.
Post by: RickPowers on June 27, 2003, 02:22:18 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on June 27, 2003, 02:46:41 PM
As I get older I have become more and more intrigued by the business end of the Video Game Industry. The M$ & Nintendo Alliance reminds me of the partnership between the Allies and Russia during World War 2. (guess who the nazis are) It is an uneasy alliance at best. (I guess after $ony is destroyed we will have a Nintendo vs. Microsoft cold war)
By the way, I'm sure it's already been stated that M$ already attempted to buy Nintendo outright several years ago. I think the offer was for 26 Billion dollars? Of couse Nintendo refused. Are my fact's straight?
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 27, 2003, 05:34:30 PM
But you know something, I think that Microsoft is going to destroy NIntendo simply for not working with them. That means more badmouthin in Press Releases, commercials, and game shows and such.
Microsoft will act like a baby, simply cause they can't break into Japan.
Nintendo refuses, but has Sony refused?
Imagine that. Nintendo vs Sony/Microsoft.
Post by: RickPowers on June 27, 2003, 06:32:18 PM
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However, I'm sure as the editor of this site, you know that M$ and Nintendo are involved in an unofficial "Gentleman's agreement." Sort of a "I won't hurt you, you won't hurt me."
Um, no ... no they aren't. They're two different consoles aimed at two totally different markets. Why would they need to have any sort of "agreement", official or not? It just doesn't make sense. What's going on is that Nintendo is simply taking the stance that they aren't competing directly with Sony or Microsoft. Likewise, Microsoft and Sony claim to not be competing with Nintendo. That's all it is, and I wish people would stop reading more into it.
Post by: Mario on June 27, 2003, 07:01:42 PM
Microsoft and Sony joining together would bring Nintendo's sales up IMO. I wish that were to happen.
Or maybe Nintendo and Sega could join forces to bring us the worlds best gaming console. It would be backwards compatible with NES, SNES, GB, N64, GC, Mega Drive (or genesis), Master System, Dreamcast, Saturn etc. I say the best possible scenario is Nintendo + Sega vs Sony + Microsoft. Companies who can actually make games vs companys who can only get other people to make games for them. Good vs Evil.
.....or something
*shrugs shoulders so high they hit the roof*
Post by: VideoGamerX on June 27, 2003, 09:22:04 PM
Post by: Mario on June 27, 2003, 09:33:14 PM
