Post by: Mario on June 23, 2003, 12:20:13 AM
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Acclaim: No new products for Nintendo platforms
New Acclaim CEO says: "Why should we develop for platforms that don't deliver profits for us. We still support PS2 and Xbox, but Nintendo? No, not in the foreseeable future."
Current products that are in development and are not effected by the changes are: Legends of Wrestling III (Spring 2004), Urban Freestyle Soccer (November 2003) und XGRA (August 22, 2003).
Oh noes! No turok 7, heads down thumbs up xxx, legends of wrestling, mary kate & ashley or iggys reckin balls 2 for cube owners!
*dies from sarcasm overdose*
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 23, 2003, 12:21:42 AM
Post by: aoi tsuki on June 23, 2003, 01:02:47 AM
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Actually, I was kind of looking forward to playing XGRA.
i believe XGRA is still on track. It better be, or else i may have another reason to pick up a second system.
Post by: Tael on June 23, 2003, 02:33:40 AM
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Current products that are in development and are not effected by the changes are: Legends of Wrestling III (Spring 2004), Urban Freestyle Soccer (November 2003) and XGRA (August 22, 2003).
Post by: mouse_clicker on June 23, 2003, 03:39:50 AM
"Why should we develop for platforms that don't deliver profits for us."
Yeah, well why should we spend our money on games that suck?
Post by: joshnickerson on June 23, 2003, 03:46:53 AM
It doesn't affect me one bit. But I wonder, are they still making games for the Gameboy, hmmm? I wouldn't be surprised one little bit if Nintendo decided that Acclaim's GBA games weren't "good" enough for their handheld...
Post by: PIAC on June 23, 2003, 03:49:18 AM
<positive spin> aclaim realise they cant sell shovelware to gamecube owners, i take that as a credit to our collective inteligence!</positive spin>
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 23, 2003, 03:49:37 AM
Looks like the next Turok (I'm sure they'll make another) will be the first that's not on a Nintendo console. We as Nintendo fans basically kept Turok alive during its hey-day on the N64...
What about the next Burnout? The Burnout games are fan-bloody-tastic.
No Dave Mirra's, hell, there goes a BIG chunk of the extreme sports games for N-fans.
Though I fail to see why they still plan on bringing out LOW III and Urban Soccer. I mean, it's pretty well known that sports games sell like four week old bread on GameCube..
I never knew third party sales were THIS bad on GameCube. I mean, it's gotta be beyond terrible for ACCLAIM to pull out.
Post by: egman on June 23, 2003, 05:01:28 AM
Third parties are not selling because there is not a significant amount of exclusive titles coming from them. The GC's appeal is exclusives, Nintendo's or otherwise. But with a shift toward multiplatform development that seems to be happening with nearly all western developers, the GC's biggest selling point is diminishing quickly in our market.
Nintendo's has been doing a good job of bringing back some of the Japanese support they lost, but if they want to continue to have some significance in the western market, they will have to extend that same kind of courtesy towards western developers other than Factor 5. While it has been argued that 3rd parties are doing bad because of quality, we also have to look at the other side of this coin. Why would it be worthwhile for a 3rd party to give us high quality ports and exclusives when the GC audience seems so fickle? Nintendo is going to have to make it worthwhile for western 3rd parties in the same that they are making it worthwhile for companies like Square and Namco.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 23, 2003, 05:19:01 AM
Post by: DRJ on June 23, 2003, 05:48:11 AM
On a ps2 system there are so many systems out there like 50 million that any game released on it will sell good. If a developer makes a game that sells only 1% it will still sell 500,000 copies. For nintendo owners we are very spoiled. Maybe if nintendo stopped making games we would have to settle for whatever was put out, but fortunetely we will never have to find out.
Post by: egman on June 23, 2003, 06:19:29 AM
Post by: egman on June 23, 2003, 06:21:08 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 23, 2003, 06:35:31 AM
We should all let Acclaim know the reason their GCN games don't turn them a profit because we deserve something better than luke warm sh!t left out inthe rain.
You put sh!t games out for purchase, are you really that stupid to expect us, your moderately informed consumers to actually forget that magazines and websites exist to give gamers an idea as to whether or not a game is worth buying. Obvisouly not since you still have your head shoved so far up your ass that I think you have become accustomed to the darkness and the smell. So Acclaim, good riddance!
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 23, 2003, 06:36:09 AM
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 23, 2003, 06:47:16 AM
As for the rest of Acclaims titles? Dont care. Anyway, I think most of everyone said how retarded the company is =P
Btw, I think Nintendo will survive.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 23, 2003, 07:31:39 AM
This is the sort of thing that eventually could lead to a major crash. Once consumers actually realize that they're buying a lot of crap we're going to see a lot of publishers and developers go under. This is why in hindsight Nintendo's strict control over what was released on their consoles wasn't that bad of an idea.
Post by: Nephilim on June 23, 2003, 07:34:58 AM
toruk
burn out
quite a few decent games, but acclaim isnt making sequels for them at the moment
Toruk 3-4 were a joke
gc only got crazy taxi 1, when xbox got no.3
burnout 2 were still waiting for
Post by: aoi tsuki on June 23, 2003, 07:58:54 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on June 23, 2003, 09:08:15 AM
I completely agree- I think the fiasco with 3rd parties leaving Nintendo because they were too strict really made Nintendo suck up to them and they need to stop that.
Post by: Plugabugz on June 23, 2003, 09:10:18 AM
I haven't bought games from Acclaim, and judging by the sub-par games we're used to, I wouldn't to buy any either.
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 23, 2003, 09:20:41 AM
They were decent back in the early N64 days. Then what happened? Apparently there was some merger between some companies and when Turok: Rage Wars and South Park came out, they began to suck horribly.
Good riddance to a dumpy developer. I'm not suprised if this company follows suit along with 3D0 and just calls it quits.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 23, 2003, 09:53:01 AM
That all fits in with the way Acclaim used to do things. During the early N64 days Acclaim was in trouble so they created some *Gasp* decent games on the N64 which basically saved their ass. Then once they knew they were okay they went back to being "Ack-Lame".
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 23, 2003, 10:05:34 AM
I like to write bitterly sarcastic letters. I take after my mom.
Acclaim Entertainment, Inc.
One Acclaim Plaza
Glen Cove, New York 11542
Post by: aoi tsuki on June 23, 2003, 10:08:10 AM
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They were decent back in the early N64 days. Then what happened? Apparently there was some merger between some companies and when Turok: Rage Wars and South Park came out, they began to suck horribly.
If i remember correctly, Iguana (devs for the first two Turoks) got bought out by Acclaim and became Acclaim Studios Austin. Quality control became less important than releasing games in a timely fashion and... fast forward to today. On the other side of things, members of the original Wipeout team joined Acclaim Studios Cheltenham, and the Extreme G series was reborn in XG3.
Post by: Perfect Cell on June 23, 2003, 10:54:34 AM
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 23, 2003, 11:23:14 AM
http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=4469
Apparently they're not going to drop the ball just yet. Good ol' PGC asked these guys what was up and apparently, Cube development hasnt gone to a near complete halt. Just some decisive porting thats all.
This is still somewhat bad news, but whats with the CEO guy? Did he really say that or did someone twist his words?
Post by: Lumas Etima on June 23, 2003, 11:48:42 AM
But hey, how about their brilliant new advertising/publicity stunt where they spray paint trained pigeons with the logo for their new tennis game? I hear if one of them craps on you, you can change your name to Turok, and Acclaim will pay for your dry-cleaning for a day.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 23, 2003, 11:59:19 AM
Post by: AgentSeven on June 23, 2003, 12:46:19 PM
I have been playing their trash games ever since the 8-bit days. I could never understand why Nintendo would let this group of No-Talent game designers publish games on it's various systems.
BMX-XXX and the last couple of Turok Games are a disgrace to gaming! The next step for Acclaim will be it's going out of business announcement. Good Riddance!
Companies like Acclaim actually hurt the game industry and gamers everywhere. Shovel ware fills valuble shelf space and bad games make people less interested in the hobby.
Let's all have a party in celebration of Acclaim's departure!
Post by: Michael8983 on June 23, 2003, 01:54:51 PM
Honestly, most if not all of Acclaim's games shouldn't be on the Gamecube. Games that range from mediocre to bad just don't sell on the Gamecube and I personally have no problem with that. They deserve to sell poorly and if they somehow manage to sell decently enough on the PS2 or XBox so that they make even a tiny profit ... well, that just doesn't speak well for PS2 and XBox owners who either have really bad taste in games or are, more likely, too stupid to do even a little bit of research to find out a game isn't worth buying. I suppose maybe they just go to the store and buy a game based on how cool the box-art is.
Fortunately, great games DO sell on the Gamecube. In fact, just about all of the third-party titles on the Gamecube that deserved to sell well did sell well including the REmake and RE0. So I think it would be a wise move if Acclaim kept all of its mediocre to bad games on the PS2 or XBox where people are apparently naive enough to buy them and, in the unlikely event it actually creates a great game at some point, they should put it on the Gamecube where I'm confident it would sell very well.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 23, 2003, 04:15:49 PM
AgentSeven, yeah, lets have that party. Hell, lets have a party every time a major developer/publisher leaves Nintendo. Hey, maybe we can also have a party when Nintendo is forced out of the bloody console market BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPER HAS LEFT THEM DUE TO BAD SALES.
THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING. NO MATTER WHAT WAY YOU LOOK AT IT!
Post by: Michael8983 on June 23, 2003, 05:18:09 PM
Essentially all developers left Nintendo last generation on account of the cartridge format and Nintendo not only wasn't forced to exit the market but actually made a huge profit of its console (it actually made more than Sony made off the PSX). Now, with very little help from third-party developers, the Gamecube is keeping pace with the N64 and Nintendo is making a nice profit off of it too. All signs suggest Nintendo can not only survive but actually thrive on its first and second party support alone.
So it's understandable that most people aren't exactly horrified about a developer abandoning Nintendo (which turns out to not even be true anyway). Especially when other more prominent developers like Capcom, Namco and Sega are not only supporting the Gamecube, but supporting it with exclusive titles. Many of which have sold very well.
"THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING. NO MATTER WHAT WAY YOU LOOK AT IT!"
This is just a necessary progression. Developers have to realize that Nintendo and the people who buy Nintendo consoles are as different as night and day compared to Sony, MS, and the people who buy those consoles. That's exactly how Nintendo intended it to be too.
Capcom, Namco, and Sega have the right idea about Gamecube development and that's why they've had success developing for it. In some cases, more success than they've had on the PS2 and XBox. Developers like Acclaim are just making the mistake of thinking the same tactics it uses to make a profit off the PS2 and maybe the XBox will work on the Gamecube. They have to wake up and realize the Gamecube is different and needs to be treated as such. But, really, Acclaim doesn't have the talent or originality to create the kind of games that will sell well on the Gamecube so it probably should just go ahead and stop all Gamecube development afterall.
Post by: yellowfellow on June 23, 2003, 05:42:33 PM
seeing support go down for our system is disheartening but c'mon with all the games coming out, there really is no way i can afford (money and time) for anything more.
Lumas' mentality is exactly how i see it... people buy nintendo consoles to buy nintendo games.
it sounds bad for nintendo, but when you sit back, relax, and take your Ritalin you realize that a) Acclaim is a business and it really does make no sense for them to release garbage which is NOT going to sell on a nintendo console (partially because of demographics and partially because they cannot stand out compared to nintendo and other stellar 3rd party offerings) and b) it reduces the metric assload of garbage that clutters the market. Additionally, perhaps Acclaim can use the free developers (who would normally be "occupied" with our shoddy ports) to better their own games.
so basically, i'm disappointed because it is damaging news to nintendo's already bruised image, but i've estimated approx. $800CDN in games i must have for the rest of this year, 1 of which is published by Acclaim, and frankly, it is just better business for Acclaim to follow this path ...so be it.
i'm also surprised no one has used the moniker "ACK-LAME"
edit: i see i just touched on some of the same points as michael and didn't notice Ian Sane's comment
Post by: AgentSeven on June 23, 2003, 08:42:11 PM
Nintendo fans have taste, thats all. Why buy Turok when you can get Zelda, Metroid or Mario? Bmx XXX and Conker's BFD are embarrassments to the game industry. The only reason they went with their quasi-pornographic content is because at heart, both games were complete junk. Games like these belong on the Ps2, a system perfectly suited for the uninformed and occasionally, unitelligent masses. (yes, I do own a ps2, so don't call me a fanboy, I'm just stating the truth)
Nintendo has SquareEnix, Sega, Factor 5, Retro and many, many more. Nintendo will survive.
Post by: DiggleD44 on June 24, 2003, 08:11:46 AM
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Post by: alvinaloy on June 24, 2003, 03:11:46 PM
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 25, 2003, 03:25:58 AM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on June 25, 2003, 05:37:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Doesn't Acclaim also publish the Mortal Kombat games?
No, it's Midway...
Funny, looks like I'm not the only one that sometimes get confuse who publishes which game between Midway, Acclain and Activision.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 25, 2003, 06:12:58 AM
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uhh, you guys do realize that PGC said earlier that Acclaim's quote was taken out of context?
Of course Acclaim would say that, they realize that they made a mistake and are now trying to fix it. At first they say that they aren't going to support the GCN at all anytime in the future after current schedules games are released. Now they are saying something different because they did not get the reaction they were looking for. Acclaim in my opinion has not put out a killer app since Mortal Kimbat 2 on the SNES and I think I was 17 when that came out and I'm 24 now. Acclaim is a shovelware company and their games don't sell like hotcakes on either the PS2 or Xbox, but because it is the general plan to blame Nintendo for everything they decided that the GCN is the reason behind it all. If Acclaim actually spent more than five minutes making a game it might actually be worth purchasing. I guess sales of Turok Evolution (?) and BMX XXX were muilti million selling on PS2 and Xbox, if that were true then why don't I remember seeing them show up on sales charts. Yet The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker sould more copies in the first week of release (the last week of March) than every game released in the first quarter of 2003. The GCN is not to blame for anything, it is the lack of Acclaim's ability to actually put any effort into their games.
Post by: Syl on June 25, 2003, 03:17:21 PM
Post by: WhoDey on June 25, 2003, 06:08:26 PM
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Originally posted by: AgentSeven
Bmx XXX and Conker's BFD are embarrassments to the game industry. The only reason they went with their quasi-pornographic content is because at heart, both games were complete junk. .
I'd be interested to know if you actually played Conker's BFD. I think it would have been a good game even without all the "immature" humor. All the variety in gameplay made it a fun game to play through, atleast I thought so. But to call it "complete junk", I'll have to strongly disagree. As for BMX XXX, I have no desire to play that one but from what I have read you are absolutely correct in calling that one junk.
Post by: ezaphlix on June 25, 2003, 07:42:25 PM
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Originally posted by: AiAiQuote
Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Doesn't Acclaim also publish the Mortal Kombat games?
No, it's Midway...
Acclaim did publish the home ports of the first two games, so close enough.
This situation though is a nice double-edged sword though. Fewer games=bad. Fewer bad games=good. I'm not gonna miss them though. After all, of the hundreds of games I own on a dozen systems, only two of them are from Acclaim: Dave Mirra 2 for GC, whose developer was bought out by Activision anyway, and Wizards and Warriors for NES, the former crashed on me counless times and the latter I've played twice. I could care less if they went under, especially the ad-wizards at the UK office.
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