Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Phil on May 08, 2014, 04:36:27 PM
Title: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Phil on May 08, 2014, 04:36:27 PM
I'm finding that I don't really mind those who are critics of Nintendo and have never been interested in the company's success. Instead, the ones that bother me (see: annoy) are those lapsed Nintendo fans who were once huge fans who are now essentially crapping all over everything Nintendo does nowadays no matter how big or how small. They come across as extremely bitter, like a jaded boyfriend. Always bitching about every single thing Nintendo does, making mountains out of molehills, and being extremely negative at every turn.
It gets to the point where they complain about everything, so it just becomes noise eventually. When something worthwhile to complain about Nintendo occurs, I find myself overlooking what this particular subgroup in gaming has to say because everything else has just run together as noise.
It's not to say that Nintendo doesn't deserve criticism, but the constant nitpicking over every facet of how Nintendo operates, its games, and its hardware, it becomes tedious with all of the incessant bitching.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 08, 2014, 05:04:36 PM
I agree completely. It makes it nearly impossible to filter out the "white noise of a scorned fan" from actual legit criticism.
"Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
"The passionate fan flames the madness"
Now that I'm done with the quotes. They even make solid points but they get lost in the sauce. It's like being married to a lawyer( D.A) that wants to convict by any means necessary.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Adrock on May 08, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
I don't mind the criticism, especially when it's warranted. It's the repetition that I find unnecessary. Like I said in another thread: State your case, state it proud, but for the love of Jebus, state it once. We all know Nintendo's issues, and they deserve criticism at times. It's totally lame that entire threads are ruined by all the negativity. I've gotten to the point where I don't even bother posting a rebuttal because it just continues conversations that we don't need to have again. Even this conversation doesn't really need to happen again (no offense, Phil). I don't care to try to change someone's mind nor will I argue someone's opinion on a topic unless it's based on faulty reasoning or they're pushing flat-out false information. Lately, however, I'll catch myself about to respond then I just delete that part or even the entire response and move onto a different thread that hopefully has not and will not descend into clusterfuckery. It isn't worth the trouble. I'd rather talk about things I like than argue about what someone doesn't like.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Phil on May 08, 2014, 05:16:10 PM
Oh, no offense taken, Adrock. I didn't know this topic has been done before or repeatedly.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 08, 2014, 05:32:25 PM
I've always disliked the eternal optimists - those that take any criticism towards Nintendo as blasphemy. "Nintendo is always right." No matter what, even if provides zero benefit to Nintendo or its customers, it seems like there is a defense.
Now you might say I'm generalizing and being unfair. Maybe you legtimately are pleased with your Nintendo experience and don't consider yourself an eternal optimist. Well, yeah, that goes both ways. People who legitimately are not happy with Nintendo right now but used to be and like them enough that they want them to get their act together aren't necessarily eternal pessimists and might feel their criticism is valid and comes from a desire to see Nintendo improve.
If you're on the other side you might just see endless bitching or endless defense or you might call it trolling and fanboyism.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: broodwars on May 08, 2014, 06:40:39 PM
It's good to feel loved. :rolleyes:
You know, I could just as easily make a similar topic about the gushing, nauseating Nintendo sycophants that I see here as well...but I won't. The day Nintendo stops being the running gag of the video game industry, known more for unwanted gimmicks than innovation, ambition, and craftsmanship (I.e. the Nintendo I knew for years, rather than this lazy, cheap pretender) is the day they stop deserving the criticism I give them.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Phil on May 08, 2014, 07:46:06 PM
I see both extremes here. You guys DO know that it doesn't have to be black and white, right? We can have a gray area of people who don't worship Nintendo's every move and also don't curse at every move Nintendo makes, yes?
I don't like being called an eternal optimist because I'm not always complaining about everything Nintendo does. Unless I'm mistaken by your post, Ian Sane.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 08, 2014, 09:10:51 PM
I guess I am guilty of this, but my feelings are mostly new, up till a few years ago I was on the Nintendo can do no wrong side, despite constantly defending things I personally thought were stupid, I just got tired of being phoney. The truth is I do love Nintendo, and I have every intention of getting a Wii U, as soon as the price comes down, I have stated repeatedly that my position is the machine is over priced for what you get, that is all no endless negativity. but when pressed for why I feel that way I give my reasons, is that so wrong? Sometimes I wake up and I watch some AVGN and I get super excited for Nintendo and I come here all full of nostalgia and hope, then I read some stupid new thing they are doing that only further alienates their customers and I see the cheerleaders come out to hate on those who don't like the new whatever it be. Personally I am super excited for three games on the Wii U, I have stated that repeatedly, but and I reitterate this for the relevence, the Wii U is not the same as N64 or GC, it might have the great Nintendo games but it is underpowered for the price, it is essentially a PS3 crammed into a Wii box with a tablet tacked on. If the N64 had been nothing but a Super NES with a funky new 3 pronged controller it would have been a damn flop too. I still love Nintendo games but I am just losing interest in the consoles mainly. BUT I know that will change, I got into GC at the end of 2003 when it had more games and a deep price drop so I expect to get into Wii U at a similar point, when there are enough games to justify the price that is all.
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Post by: rlse9 on May 08, 2014, 09:46:54 PM
I see both extremes here. You guys DO know that it doesn't have to be black and white, right? We can have a gray area of people who don't worship Nintendo's every move and also don't curse at every move Nintendo makes, yes?
No, our society doesn't know anything about being moderate or reasonable. Everyone just stays at one extreme or the other and yells about how the other side is completely wrong.
The thing I don't understand is why people who are so bitter about what Nintendo has become keep posting on forums like this day after day. It's not like posting the same complaints over and over is going to change anything Nintendo does and it just makes virtually every conversation a big mess. Personally, if I was so disenfranchised with Nintendo and had so little hope that they'd change, I'd find something better to spend my free time doing then rehashing the same worn out conversations.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 08, 2014, 10:01:57 PM
I think a lot of us are pissed that we bought a Wii U, thinking Nintendo would have gotten third parties to get on board, and now we have $300 Mario Game Players.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: azeke on May 08, 2014, 11:33:20 PM
There is criticism and there is blind nostalgia based whining.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on May 08, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
I think a lot of us are pissed that we bought a Wii U, thinking Nintendo would have gotten third parties to get on board, and now we have $300 Mario Game Players.
This sounds about right. I'm not one of them. Wonderful 101 and Mario3dWorld justifies my purchase. It does seem like people really expected something else, something less Nintendo more Sony I guess. when That didn't happen( for the 3 console gen in a row) people feel betrayed. As an Philadelphia Eagles fan I can understand that. As a Nintendo Fan I don't. I never expected more than this and because I'm aware of the Matrix around me, I'm more free to enjoy my time in it.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 09, 2014, 12:12:43 AM
I can only think of one person on these boards who is either an eternal optimist and/or a believer in Nintendo doing no wrong. Even then that person disappeared a long time ago I think. How many blind fanboys are even left around here? I love the Wii U and certainly expected more 3rd party activity and a system wide voice chat but I'd be lying if I said I didn't adore Miiverse, off tv play and the games available to me now.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2014, 02:51:25 AM
I really want to love my Wii U, anything I could say to recommend it to anyone else to justify my own purchase would be great. But good Lord does Nintendo make it hard for me to do that. I can't even recommend or as a Netflix player, even though I use it as one almost everyday, since it lacks features and doesn't work far to often. The off tv play is nice, but I asked Netflix about the missing profiles, and they informed me that they license it out and provide api's (?) but it's up to the manufacturers to implement and update. So they basically told me Nintendo was too lazy to update the Wii U Netflix app to have the the universal feature of profiles like the Wii.
That's a weird rant to put in here, but I had to get it off my chest. At least I have Mario Kart and Watch Dogs to look forward too. Maybe I'll get some gaming enjoyment out of this machine in 2014 after all.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 09, 2014, 03:34:40 AM
I make it a point to not let anyone talking about video game companies on the internet annoy me greatly.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Phil on May 09, 2014, 05:38:01 AM
I make it a point to not let anyone talking about video game companies on the internet annoy me greatly.
I make it a point not to play holier than thou, high and mighty on a message board. *shrugs*
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 09, 2014, 08:33:55 AM
API = Application Programming Interface. If what they are saying is true, then basically the content (including profile support) is out there for Nintendo to implement, they just haven't done it. That seems weird to me though, I would think that the Netflix app is 95% Netflix, 5% Nintendo.
But anyway, BnM pretty much nailed it. You want to have reasons to advertise it to other people and get them to buy one, mainly because you're trying to justify your own purchase, but those reasons simply don't exist. It doesn't have (and never will have) the library it needs to make it your only console (unless, lets face it, you're a kid), and it's too expensive to recommend as a second (or third) console. We all WANT to love the Wii U, but it's hard to excited when your big announcement is Cranky Kong.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 09, 2014, 09:06:27 AM
It doesn't have (and never will have) the library it needs to make it your only console (unless, lets face it, you're a kid), and it's too expensive to recommend as a second (or third) console.
Pump your brakes on that. How is this statement even remotely accurate? I am completely satisfied with my WiiU as the only played console in my house. Granted, I am a father of little ones and teenagers and we don't play "mature" games while the little kids are looking. My son plays COD on it. I play old school and indie games. My daughter plays, well she plays everything on it. And when it's a birthday or a holiday and they break out the Just Dance. Now we all have personal taste and I do most gaming on my 3DS simply because of my schedule but I know me, and I went hard on GameCube alone for quite sometime, this feels no different.
What the hell is my family going to play on XBOXONE/PS4 that I would feel comfy swapping out for my WiiU. Hell, I can't even play LittleBigPlanet on my Ps4(yet).
Full Disclosure: I am not a PC gamer but I do have a high end Mac so if I ever need to scratch that itch(shooters, diablo, Bioshock, etc) I could play on that.
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2014, 09:40:24 AM
I never had trouble justifying my Wii U purchase as I managed my expectations accordingly. I agonized over whether it was worth $350 at the time and I decided that it was. I knew what I wanted from Wii U: Nintendo's own games which I can't get anywhere else and to that end, I've been pretty content. Still, I recognize that my gaming habits have changed dramatically in the last 10 to 15 years. There absolutely are software droughts, but I play far less now so I, personally, do not notice as much. I still haven't opened Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze which I bought on sale nearly a month ago.
Additionally, my plan was always to eventually purchase a PS4 and I'm aware that not everyone buys or can afford to buy more than one console. All things considered, I'm pretty happy with what's offered on Wii U though I fall into a group where the stars aligned in such a way that I can be happy with what's available. I'm not yearning for a PS4 and if most of the industry insists on transitioning to watch-before-play games like The Last of Us, I can wait until it drops to a price I feel comfortable paying. I will say, however, that if you don't fall into the specific group of "occasional gamer" that I do, it's hard to recommend Wii U to people, and when speaking to people, that's exactly what I tell them. I'm fine with Wii U being the "Mario Machine" (though that's terribly reductive) because it's more appealing to me than a "Last of Us Machine" (also reductive).
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Post by: ResettisCousin on May 09, 2014, 10:25:28 AM
It's human nature to be more vocal about negative reactions. Heck, that's why I'm even bothering to reply to this thread.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 09, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
I don't like being called an eternal optimist because I'm not always complaining about everything Nintendo does. Unless I'm mistaken by your post, Ian Sane.
That's exactly my point. You don't like it when a generalization is made about you but you made a generalization about others and started this thread.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Phil on May 09, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
I didn't make a generalization at all. I was talking about one particular group, like you were talking about one particular group. If we want to go into semantics, we can both **** off right now.
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Post by: Ceric on May 09, 2014, 01:52:07 PM
I really want to love my Wii U, anything I could say to recommend it to anyone else to justify my own purchase would be great. But good Lord does Nintendo make it hard for me to do that. I can't even recommend or as a Netflix player, even though I use it as one almost everyday, since it lacks features and doesn't work far to often. The off tv play is nice, but I asked Netflix about the missing profiles, and they informed me that they license it out and provide api's (?) but it's up to the manufacturers to implement and update. So they basically told me Nintendo was too lazy to update the Wii U Netflix app to have the the universal feature of profiles like the Wii.
That's a weird rant to put in here, but I had to get it off my chest. At least I have Mario Kart and Watch Dogs to look forward too. Maybe I'll get some gaming enjoyment out of this machine in 2014 after all.
Look like they took there ball and went home a Year ago. I thought it was provide. I would have loved to make a Program for me PC to make Catagories selectable among other things.
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Post by: lolmonade on May 09, 2014, 02:37:41 PM
I guess I'd be one of those "Grey area" people. Bought a Wii U at launch because I wanted the Nintendo games, fully expecting that much like the Wii, Nintendo games would be the best reason to get one (although looking at my current library, it's actually 2/3 Nintendo, 1/3 3rd party, which is a better ratio than my Wii library).
I think Nintendo has this misconception that they're similar to Apple in that they can decide what the consumer wants, deliver it, and the gaming public will eat it up. The problem is that Nintendo's fanbase who are that rabid is much smaller than Apple's core constituency, so even if they hit gold one time (Wii), if they falter another time (Wii U), then their fortunes fail miserably.
They're a video game company whose games I adore (mostly), whose hardware I've tolerated lately, and whose virtual console & online functionality is lousy compared to the competition.
I've often questioned whether Nintendo actually has a passion for hardware & feature development, or whether they tolerate it as a current-day necessity because they don't see a possibility for the same level of success if they just gave up the hardware game & focused on game development, where they really shine IMO.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 09, 2014, 06:32:13 PM
I guess I'd be one of those "Grey area" people. Bought a Wii U at launch because I wanted the Nintendo games, fully expecting that much like the Wii, Nintendo games would be the best reason to get one (although looking at my current library, it's actually 2/3 Nintendo, 1/3 3rd party, which is a better ratio than my Wii library).
I think Nintendo has this misconception that they're similar to Apple in that they can decide what the consumer wants, deliver it, and the gaming public will eat it up. The problem is that Nintendo's fanbase who are that rabid is much smaller than Apple's core constituency, so even if they hit gold one time (Wii), if they falter another time (Wii U), then their fortunes fail miserably.
They're a video game company whose games I adore (mostly), whose hardware I've tolerated lately, and whose virtual console & online functionality is lousy compared to the competition.
I've often questioned whether Nintendo actually has a passion for hardware & feature development, or whether they tolerate it as a current-day necessity because they don't see a possibility for the same level of success if they just gave up the hardware game & focused on game development, where they really shine IMO.
But it isn't their hardware, they actually make good hardware, it is their consoles that are the problem and lack of focus. The Wii U has low specs but I don't think that matters for game development especially for Nintendo games for Nintendo they are new specs. That is why their handhelds do fine, they do release the games there people want, with their consoles they act like they take that base for granted. The problem is Nintendo does make great games but they also make lousy games that they just expect you to buy inbetween the great games and while everybody does the same their library is more noticable because they have fewer partners filling in the gaps.
I always intended to get a Wii U, but I find it hard to justify buying one at the current price. Specs or not, the console is still currently more expensive than all their past machines LAUNCHED at and there is no new tech to justify that kind of markup other than the Game Pad which for me is not worth the extra expense. I usually get in the middle of a generation when the price comes down, but the games library needs to pick up too. By the time I got a N64 and a Game Cube they had over twenty games I was interested in and were getting new games all the time, as of right now the Wii U has at most, if I am really going to lower my standards or just throw everything in there, they have at most 12 games I would buy period, that is not enough for me for the cost.
I know Phil gets upset about this and asks questions like why complain on a fansite except that is basically saying I am not a real fan, which is bullshit I love Nintendo and I might not be one of those who feel betrayed because I honestly don't care about them as a company, and like I stated before I already have a Playstation to meet my non-Nintendo needs. Personally I believe the PSX was the true successor to the Super NES and many of us are still hoping that Nintendo will pick up on that. I feel like yes they still make great games but the number of games they make that interest me declines each year. Wii at least had Virtual Console and Wii Sports to get me hooked and it took me damn near three years altogether before I got tired and sold it off, because as usual the games I was waiting for kept either getting pushed back or mentioned once and forgotten about and I personally just got tired of waiting and yeah maybe I would lose interest because damn after three years of delays you forget a game was even supposed to be coming.
I don't hate the Wii U, I just wish it had more to offer for the price. If they slashed a hundred bucks of the top right now I would get it next payday. My reason is simple, that is where the machine should have been priced by now in the first place and is inline with my expectations. I don't care if you like it fine good for you, maybe I was a little harsh in that other thread but I TOO get sick and tired of being told my views don't count and I should just shut up or go away. It is this type of thread this antagonizing that makes some of us come off as more bitter than we really are because your forcing us to defend our position but when we, god forbid, ask one of you to do the same, like I did with UB, i get told to **** off in so many words.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: rlse9 on May 09, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
I don't hate the Wii U, I just wish it had more to offer for the price. If they slashed a hundred bucks of the top right now I would get it next payday.
You can get a refurbished 32 GB system with Nintendoland directly from Nintendo for $200 right now: https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?_DARGS=/ng3/global/gadgets/productListRangeRow.jsp.addToCartFormId (https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?_DARGS=/ng3/global/gadgets/productListRangeRow.jsp.addToCartFormId)
Technically not new but everything I've read is that these systems are indistinguishable from new systems.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 09, 2014, 09:54:37 PM
Only a particular subgroup?
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 09, 2014, 09:59:11 PM
I don't hate the Wii U, I just wish it had more to offer for the price. If they slashed a hundred bucks of the top right now I would get it next payday.
You can get a refurbished 32 GB system with Nintendoland directly from Nintendo for $200 right now: https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?_DARGS=/ng3/global/gadgets/productListRangeRow.jsp.addToCartFormId (https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?_DARGS=/ng3/global/gadgets/productListRangeRow.jsp.addToCartFormId)
Technically not new but everything I've read is that these systems are indistinguishable from new systems.
I could get a used one for less too but thats besides the point. Also there are only so many refurbished ones to go around since it is you know not selling that well to begin with.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: lolmonade on May 10, 2014, 08:25:39 AM
I guess I'd be one of those "Grey area" people. Bought a Wii U at launch because I wanted the Nintendo games, fully expecting that much like the Wii, Nintendo games would be the best reason to get one (although looking at my current library, it's actually 2/3 Nintendo, 1/3 3rd party, which is a better ratio than my Wii library).
I think Nintendo has this misconception that they're similar to Apple in that they can decide what the consumer wants, deliver it, and the gaming public will eat it up. The problem is that Nintendo's fanbase who are that rabid is much smaller than Apple's core constituency, so even if they hit gold one time (Wii), if they falter another time (Wii U), then their fortunes fail miserably.
They're a video game company whose games I adore (mostly), whose hardware I've tolerated lately, and whose virtual console & online functionality is lousy compared to the competition.
I've often questioned whether Nintendo actually has a passion for hardware & feature development, or whether they tolerate it as a current-day necessity because they don't see a possibility for the same level of success if they just gave up the hardware game & focused on game development, where they really shine IMO.
But it isn't their hardware, they actually make good hardware, it is their consoles that are the problem and lack of focus. The Wii U has low specs but I don't think that matters for game development especially for Nintendo games for Nintendo they are new specs. That is why their handhelds do fine, they do release the games there people want, with their consoles they act like they take that base for granted. The problem is Nintendo does make great games but they also make lousy games that they just expect you to buy inbetween the great games and while everybody does the same their library is more noticable because they have fewer partners filling in the gaps.
I always intended to get a Wii U, but I find it hard to justify buying one at the current price. Specs or not, the console is still currently more expensive than all their past machines LAUNCHED at and there is no new tech to justify that kind of markup other than the Game Pad which for me is not worth the extra expense. I usually get in the middle of a generation when the price comes down, but the games library needs to pick up too. By the time I got a N64 and a Game Cube they had over twenty games I was interested in and were getting new games all the time, as of right now the Wii U has at most, if I am really going to lower my standards or just throw everything in there, they have at most 12 games I would buy period, that is not enough for me for the cost.
I know Phil gets upset about this and asks questions like why complain on a fansite except that is basically saying I am not a real fan, which is bullshit I love Nintendo and I might not be one of those who feel betrayed because I honestly don't care about them as a company, and like I stated before I already have a Playstation to meet my non-Nintendo needs. Personally I believe the PSX was the true successor to the Super NES and many of us are still hoping that Nintendo will pick up on that. I feel like yes they still make great games but the number of games they make that interest me declines each year. Wii at least had Virtual Console and Wii Sports to get me hooked and it took me damn near three years altogether before I got tired and sold it off, because as usual the games I was waiting for kept either getting pushed back or mentioned once and forgotten about and I personally just got tired of waiting and yeah maybe I would lose interest because damn after three years of delays you forget a game was even supposed to be coming.
I don't hate the Wii U, I just wish it had more to offer for the price. If they slashed a hundred bucks of the top right now I would get it next payday. My reason is simple, that is where the machine should have been priced by now in the first place and is inline with my expectations. I don't care if you like it fine good for you, maybe I was a little harsh in that other thread but I TOO get sick and tired of being told my views don't count and I should just shut up or go away. It is this type of thread this antagonizing that makes some of us come off as more bitter than we really are because your forcing us to defend our position but when we, god forbid, ask one of you to do the same, like I did with UB, i get told to **** off in so many words.
Wow…I'm going to assume much of this is directed towards the actual thread topic, and not myself specifically.
1) I'm not suggesting Nintendo produces faulty hardware, just that the choices they make in regards to not trying to have near-parity with their competition makes it more difficult to port games, making the barrier to entry for 3rd parties higher (too high considering how abysmal the system is selling). This tactic works for their handhelds because they have market dominance & inertia…for handheld, if a 3rd party wants to make a game, there isn't much better option than 3DS, because Vita's sales aren't great & mobile gaming is a crapshoot.
2) Nintendo can't drop the price any further. They were selling the Wii U at a loss since launch. They dropped it $50 & started including Mario U in it, eventually added Luigi U on top of that, and THAT still wasn't enough to boost sales significantly. They probably aren't manufacturing enough systems to get a volume cost break, & I'm assuming they're a ways-off from being able to make their manufacturing process more cost-effective, if just because I'd guess they're sitting on a mountain of inventory, considering how off their sales forecasts have been.
I actually think $300 is a fair value proposition with what they include with the system now. Nintendo's problem with the Wii U is much deeper than the price, the name, or even the library at this point. Frankly, I think they've still failed to convince people why they "need" a console with the gamepad, and until they really leverage unique experiences with it and ADVERTISE these new experiences, the system will just continue stumbling along.
3) I agree that it's a good thing for there to be a diverse opinion of Nintendo, the games, & the systems they offer on this site. It wouldn't be enjoyable to discuss things here if it was just an echo chamber all the time. Phil's taking a lot of the negativity here lately as people being dismissive of Nintendo as a whole, but it's just a reflection of the reality we are in at the moment, and that reality is Nintendo isn't doing well to support their system, and nothing they've said since acknowledging there even is a problem really reflects a willingness to improve the situation for themselves or their customers.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2014, 10:56:13 AM
3) I agree that it's a good thing for there to be a diverse opinion of Nintendo, the games, & the systems they offer on this site. It wouldn't be enjoyable to discuss things here if it was just an echo chamber all the time. Phil's taking a lot of the negativity here lately as people being dismissive of Nintendo as a whole, but it's just a reflection of the reality we are in at the moment, and that reality is Nintendo isn't doing well to support their system, and nothing they've said since acknowledging there even is a problem really reflects a willingness to improve the situation for themselves or their customers.
This I agree with most. It's no secret that Netflix was one of my most anticipated things to use the Wii U and Gamepad for. And ever since launch, I've been waiting for them to fix it, among NUMEROUS other things and it's been like pulling teeth to get updates and even to this day Netflix still doesn't work flawlessly, nor does it have all the features, nor does it do anything unique using exclusive system features...
I can't even boast that the Wii U makes an excellent Netflix machine for the family or otherwise (thanks to the Gamepad), because 1.) There are no profiles, so you can't even access the kids/individual profiles 2.) This happens WAAAAAY too often: (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c262/BlackNMild2k1/IMG_20140509_153033.jpg) (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c262/BlackNMild2k1/IMG_20140509_153102.jpg)
I don't have this problem on the original Wii, and I have access to profiles, so I don't know what the issue is on the Wii U.
They are FINALLY just getting around to completely solving the boot up issue in June... 1.5yrs later. TVii is still mostly just a novelty as it still (as of the last time I tried to use it) reacts too slowly and is far too limited to actually be a useful. We still don't have folders to reduce clutter. VC has been reset and released a trickle far slower than anything the Wii had going on, they are just now starting to ramp that up.... 1.5yrs later Extra entertainment app have yet to show up (Pandora anyone?) and the list could go on to point out more things, but I think the point has been made. There have been lots of issues with the Wii U that Nintendo has either dragged it's feet to address or shown no initiative to address at all, which makes recommending the Wii U to someone else that isn't really into Nintendo's own games a very hard thing to do. There is nothing that it does well enough to not suggest a better alternative outside of Nintendo games.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: ThePerm on May 10, 2014, 05:21:52 PM
I dont post that often anymore because my lack of internet. The thing is Nintendo doesnt do a number of logical things that keep us happy. They do a series of random things that could possibly make us happy. The problem is its possibly, which is hit and miss. There are advantages and disadvantages to this. One of the things they need to work on is being prepared for the future. Nintendo should have had more ready at the beginning of WiiU. Now its been a year and a half and we have to wait for smash and mario kart to save the console. Nintendo has been an experiment company since wii, which has had some advantages, but you can waste your time experimenting with something that might delight us, or they could do the conventional thing that will satiaste us. They need to find a balance. That is the dilemma between artistry and commercialism. Sometimes commercial is great. I would rather have 4 twilight princesses than 1 skyward sword. Id rather have a windwaker or majoras mask than either of those. balance is key.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: MagicCow64 on May 10, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
The whole "Nintendo sycophants are just as bad" thing is a total strawman argument. I don't think anyone who posts here is actually like that. But somehow it's inconceivable that anyone doesn't think contemporary Nintendo is a rolling childhood memory holocaust.
The situation is just sad all around. Nintendo's doing terribly; Japan, the videogame motherland, is swiftly giving up the console ghost; game development has been steadily narrowing toward a mechanically and aesthetically homogenous target market (for major releases at least); big-budget game production has become extremely unstable; extraneous media and social features are dominating business focus; DLC and microtransactions are creeping in to more and more experiences.
Perhaps similar to Adrock, the WiiU does enough right in my book. I've been playing a lot of games lately due to acquiring a beefy laptop and trying stuff out, but historically I don't need more than a game every couple of months. I find most third-party games of little interest (as in I am sick of shooters and open-world games, and give no shits about sports in any form). I don't care about online multiplayer. I don't care about media apps. I don't care about trophies or achievements.
Now, surely that puts me in a pretty narrow demographic, and the WiiU sales would seem to verify that. One thing I hate, though, is the obsession in the gaming world about market dominance and sales. I understand a general interest, but I really can't think of any other creative sector where so much focus is put on the business side of things. Capitalism is a real shitty way to determine/assess the production of art.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: Stogi on May 14, 2014, 01:56:34 AM
Remember when we all use to own the console we bitch about? I do.
Full disclosure, I don't own a Wii U. I probably won't own one until Zelda comes out next year or the year after. I still play a Wii once in a blue moon with friends (mostly Mariokart) but if it's game time, I'm either using my PS3 to play FIFA or about to shoot a zombie in the face with friends or playing some new single player game. I honestly don't play Nintendo games anymore.
I still enjoy them. I still want to enjoy them. But I lack the motivation to throw down several hundred dollars to do so. And I honestly think that there are people on this forum who are the same way. It's either that or it's buyers remorse.
Nintendo's Wii and Wii U are extremely polarizing topics. Despite how shitty some thought the Gamecube was during it's time, most generally think that the games were fantastic and the controller was God's gift to man. The Wii? That still brings up hurt feelings and the Wii U only adds salt to the wounds.
There are going to be a particular subgroup that will always bitch about Nintendo (justified or not), but because the systems today are so primed for such angst, it's easy to see why it is more popular now. It's honestly getting harder and harder to enjoy these forums, and while I could go elsewhere for my Nintendo news, I've been here far too long to simply move on; there are too many people I like to hear from or play games with.
So I guess what I'm saying is: this particular subgroup may bitch about Nintendo perpetually for all I care, but keep this forum full of goofiness and news and I'll be around for the good times and the bad until Nintendo implodes or gaming ceases to be fun anymore.
Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on May 14, 2014, 06:09:06 PM
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Title: Re: A particular subgroup of the Nintendo fan base annoys me greatly.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2014, 06:15:57 PM
Remember when we all use to own the console we bitch about? I do.
So I guess what I'm saying is: this particular subgroup may bitch about Nintendo perpetually for all I care, but keep this forum full of goofiness and news and I'll be around for the good times and the bad until Nintendo implodes or gaming ceases to be fun anymore.
