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Title: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Daan on April 29, 2014, 09:41:50 AM

Like last year, a major game will be playable at Best Buy during E3.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/37291/nintendo-reveals-e3-2014-plans-includes-smash-bros-tournament

Nintendo of America announced their plans for E3 2014, which includes a video in a similar vein as Nintendo Directs, live streaming from the show floor, a Smash Bros. Wii U tournament in Los Angeles, and Smash Bros. demos at Best Buys.

The entire experience is dubbed "Play Nintendo." There will be no regular press conference, but something that the company calls a Nintendo Digital Event. It will be a new kind of video program that will stream online at 9 a.m. PT/12 p.m. ET on Tuesday, June 10 (the first day of E3 2014). The program is set to announce information on Nintendo games for 2014 and beyond.

Additionally, the members of the Nintendo Treehouse will host live and unscripted game demos from the Nintendo booth. It will be streamed live during the show floor hours of E3.

Also during E3, Nintendo will host the Super Smash Bros. Invitational, in which the 16 best Smash players will compete in a Wii U tournament live at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles (where they used to hold their press conferences). Lastly, Nintendo will return to Best Buy once more and bring Super Smash Bros. for Wii U to stores across America, much like last year's demos of Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD.

According to Nintendo of America, more exact details will be announced soon. You can watch the promotional video, featuring Mega 64, here below!

Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Soren on April 29, 2014, 10:11:05 AM
By "Digital Event" they mean click the video player, receive a choppy signal with laggy audio, scream futilely at your computer screen, then wait for the video to appear on YouTube.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 29, 2014, 10:19:44 AM
Nintendo Doubles Down on Losing E3 Strategy
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Mythtendo on April 29, 2014, 10:24:32 AM
If the Best Buy thing is like last year, then there is no point. It was in like 50 stores only, the nearest one to me was like 8 hours away (and I live between 2 major cities), and the time limit was incredibly short.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Caterkiller on April 29, 2014, 11:35:01 AM
Funny video. So it will be something like last year but with more love streaming from the actual show floor? I'm cool with that. They probably won't get back on stage with a huge press conference until the new hand held is ready to be shown.

If NWR needs an extra body for E3 I'm local and able!
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: ymeegod on April 29, 2014, 11:41:55 AM
"If the Best Buy thing is like last year, then there is no point. It was in like 50 stores only"

Yeah, recall last years fubar when I went to one of those BB's that were listed just to find out it was an "mistake" and no demo was available :(.

Really thought Nintendo needed an E3 show this year myself, it has to showcase 3rd party support and it really needs an game that sells the whole idea of a gamepad.

Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: ShyGuy on April 29, 2014, 01:11:51 PM
At least Valve and Rockstar will still be at E3 this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Adrock on April 29, 2014, 01:33:31 PM
That video was so brutal. I'm embarrassed for them.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 29, 2014, 01:49:07 PM
Yeah, let's do the same stupid idea that completely flopped last year again!

You do a typical E3 presentation for years and years and your products sell decently.  You change it up last year and have the most disastrous year for sales you've ever had and you decide to keep going with this new approach?  E3 didn't sink them alone but you figure that ANY new approach from last year would be soundly rejected out of just a fear of making the same mistakes.

Last year the feeling was that by "skipping" E3 Nintendo was coming across as irrelevent.  Well in 2014 Nintendo pretty much IS irrelevent, at least on the console front.  So keep playing into the hands of your critics, Nintendo.  Just like last year, anyone who thinks the Wii U has no future and will not buy one because of that has all the "proof" they need to confirm that opinion.  "Gee, the Wii U MUST be toast as Nintendo has fallen on such hard times they don't even get a press conference at E3 anymore."  Does Nintendo not realize that people might think they were forced out of E3 or lack the resources or status to continue to have a press conference or that they forgo the press conference because they have nothing worth showing?  The whole thing just makes them look small time... when their console is a huge flop.  When they need more than ever in their entire existence to come across as a big deal.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Adrock on April 29, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. The Developer Directs were informative, Nintendo addressed the media and retailers, and they even had a larger booth than Sony. The big press conferences are flat-out flipping awful. I prefer last year's approach because it cut the fat and got right to the point. After that, every major gaming site had plenty of impressions and off-screen video from the show floor.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Ian Sane on April 29, 2014, 02:15:57 PM
I see no benefit to skipping the conference but I see risk.  So why do it?  What problem was there with the old approach, the same approach that the competition uses?  The Wii U was a complete disaster last year so it isn't like they can point to any benefit and say "this is why we didn't have our own press conference at E3 and this is why we'll continue to do it this way."

You risk coming across as irrevelent or small time by "skipping E3".  It gains you absolutely NOTHING and you're coming off your worst year ever and you have no wiggle room on public image or marketing.  So why do it again?
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 03:22:55 PM
*throws arms up in frustration*

Goddamnit, Nintendo...you continue to learn NOTHING from your failures. I hope you enjoy the general (incorrect) consensus that you skipped E3 AGAIN this year, leaving a completely unplayable video of undoubtably underwhelming game announcements in your wake.

Well, I guess once again the Monday Press Conferences will be the only part of E3 worth following this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Stealth on April 29, 2014, 03:31:04 PM
Press conferences have no benefit. This is the right move for Nintendo
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Stealth on April 29, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Stealth on April 29, 2014, 03:31:04 PM
Press conferences have no benefit. This is the right move for Nintendo

1) They have Youtube/Twitch this year, streams should be as close to perfect as possible.
2) Press conferences are always terrible, honestly, I would rather have a tight message, than marketing messups and nonsense.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: Stealth on April 29, 2014, 03:31:04 PM
Press conferences have no benefit. This is the right move for Nintendo

Tell that to Sony, who rode to high sales over the holidays off the goodwill from their press conference.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Professor Clayton on April 29, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
Tell that to Sony, who rode to high sales over the holidays off the goodwill from their press conference.

I think the good will they received was based mostly on the content of their message, especially as compared to Microsoft...

I feel that if Nintendo delivers strong and relevant info to fans and cleans up the technical problems from last year, people will be OK with this for the most part. The question is, do they have the firepower in their arsenal (read: new and exciting game announcements) to satisfy ever more desperate fans?
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 29, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Quote from: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
Tell that to Sony, who rode to high sales over the holidays off the goodwill from their press conference.

Sony's high sales have more to do with the fact it's $100 cheaper then the Xbox One.  The average gamer isn't think, "Well Sony had a great conference so I better buy a PS4".  No, they're thinking, "Well the PS4 and One have 95% of the same games, but the PS4 is $100 cheaper so it's a better deal".  People seem to overestimate just how important E3 is when the things that are important to the average gamer are really much simpler then who had the better press conference that most of them don't even watch in the first place.


Plus need I remind everyone that Nintendo did this same strategy of not having an E3 press conference with the 3DS last year as well and yet that system did fine.  Shows that the lack of an E3 press conference isn't what caused the Wii U's problems for 2013, and isn't a neccessary thing in order to help give a system good sales.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Stealth on April 29, 2014, 04:59:10 PM
@broodwars


PS4 sales are up. Vita is selling worse than Wii U, and Sony first party game sales are down close to 40%
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Adrock on April 29, 2014, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: Luigi Dude on April 29, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Plus need I remind everyone that Nintendo did this same strategy of not having an E3 press conference with the 3DS last year as well and yet that system did fine.  Shows that the lack of an E3 press conference isn't what caused the Wii U's problems for 2013, and isn't a neccessary thing in order to help give a system good sales.
Precisely. It's strange to me how selective certain people are regarding this. Wii U is undoubtedly struggling, but 3DS is doing extremely well. If you suggest that the lack of a big E3 press conference hurt Wii U, that same logic would point to it helping 3DS. It really doesn't appear that E3 had anything to do with either product's performance. It also baffles me that the same people are applauding for Sony using the same reasoning despite Vita doing terribly. If you're going to **** all over Nintendo for their E3 plans, it's unfair to praise Sony at the same time.

Frankly, I wish Sony and Microsoft would follow suit. Oh, you're going to ramble on about TV and Call of Duty? I'll just skip those videos then.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Tripon on April 29, 2014, 05:15:50 PM
I suppose the question is, do you want to 'win' E3, or try to get as much hype and access to people as possible?
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: NWR_Neal on April 29, 2014, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: Professor Clayton on April 29, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
I feel that if Nintendo delivers strong and relevant info to fans and cleans up the technical problems from last year, people will be OK with this for the most part. The question is, do they have the firepower in their arsenal (read: new and exciting game announcements) to satisfy ever more desperate fans?

I agree with this and this kind of summarizes what this Digital Event needs to be for it to work. Clean up the technical issues. Straighten out the process. Make that all better, and then make sure you've got some awesome stuff that will wow fans, press, and the world. Then it's cool.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 29, 2014, 05:31:58 PM
There are always people who are going to say "THIS IS WHY THE WII U HAS FAILED" but that's so stupid. The reason Nintendo failed this year is because they barely supported their new console. That's it. That's all there is. Saying that not having a press conference at E3 is the reason their system sales were down is implying the entire world watches E3 when it occurs, or listens to the press.

No one outside of dedicated gamers cares about E3 or the press it generates, and since Nintendo releases information in congruence with it means they are still going to receive press.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Evan_B on April 29, 2014, 05:31:58 PM
No one outside of dedicated gamers cares about E3 or the press it generates...

And with the exception of Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed, no one outside of dedicated gamers buy gaming consoles or the software they run anymore. The casuals/non-gamers folks that don't follow E3 that folks here like to bring up are no more likely to watch the latest Nintendo Direct than they were to watch the E3 Press Conferences. With the exodus of those folks to smartphones and tablets, the dedicated gamers matter more than ever and (as you noted) they care about E3 and the press it generates.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
And for the record, the Vita was barely even featured in last year's Press Conference, which was a major problem I had with that conference. Hell, even when it was showcased, Sony didn't show off anything new for it. Small wonder that it's sold poorly.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on April 29, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
If they really wanted to get people excited, worldwide downloadable demos would be good. I appreciate that E3 is by design focused on North America, but us lowly plebs in the rest of the world might like a taste. Co-ordinating in-store demos across various regions is probably infeasible, but downloadable demos are achievable and would really build hype (something Nintendo sorely lacks at the moment).

As to the whole 'not having a conference' thing? I'm resigned at this point. Nintendo clearly don't want to compete with Sony and Microsoft. Too be honest, I'm no longer sure what it is that Nintendo does want.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 06:24:11 PM
Quote from: Pixelated Pixies on April 29, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
If they really wanted to get people excited, worldwide downloadable demos would be good.

Agreed, but we cover this every year: no dev wants the general public to see how broken their game really is 3 months->1 year before it releases.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: lolmonade on April 29, 2014, 06:32:11 PM
The most surprising reveal to me here is that Mega 64 still exists, and is less funnier than ever.  I remember finding some of their video game parody videos funny back in 2004/2005.




I'm not surprised by the announcement, but I honestly like a lot of the fanfare involved in the live press conference, and still wonder if moving away from this venue makes them less noticeable in the general gaming press.

Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on April 29, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
Quote from: Adrock on April 29, 2014, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: Luigi Dude on April 29, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Plus need I remind everyone that Nintendo did this same strategy of not having an E3 press conference with the 3DS last year as well and yet that system did fine.  Shows that the lack of an E3 press conference isn't what caused the Wii U's problems for 2013, and isn't a neccessary thing in order to help give a system good sales.
Precisely. It's strange to me how selective certain people are regarding this. Wii U is undoubtedly struggling, but 3DS is doing extremely well. If you suggest that the lack of a big E3 press conference hurt Wii U, that same logic would point to it helping 3DS. It really doesn't appear that E3 had anything to do with either product's performance. It also baffles me that the same people are applauding for Sony using the same reasoning despite Vita doing terribly. If you're going to **** all over Nintendo for their E3 plans, it's unfair to praise Sony at the same time.

Frankly, I wish Sony and Microsoft would follow suit. Oh, you're going to ramble on about TV and Call of Duty? I'll just skip those videos then.

I think you could make a compelling argument, however, that the Playstation 4's current good fortunes derive in no small part from Sony's crowd-pleasing E3 conference last year. By all accounts the PS4 has been selling very well, and it certainly isn't because of the slew of ground-breaking next-generation games. I think much of that console's success can be attributed to the new focus on indie development and certain popular policy announcements which were handled so deftly by Sony during it's E3 presentation. Sony was able to accurately gauge the mood of that portion of the video game audience that actually pays attention to E3, it then calibrated it's message accordingly, and the PS4 has pretty much rode that wave ever since.

Sony were able to make a big enough splash amongst a dedicated audience that it caused ripples outside of the video game media bubble. The perception of Sony as a company has changed drastically since 2012 and much of that was because of last year's E3 showing.

I'm not saying Nintendo need to have a large press conference, or that Nintendo's current approach is broken, but I do believe that having the confidence to walk on to the big stage at E3, and to allow your audience the opportunity to make a very direct comparison between you and your competitors, is meaningful.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on April 29, 2014, 06:52:24 PM
Quote from: broodwars on April 29, 2014, 06:24:11 PM
Quote from: Pixelated Pixies on April 29, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
If they really wanted to get people excited, worldwide downloadable demos would be good.

Agreed, but we cover this every year: no dev wants the general public to see how broken their game really is 3 months->1 year before it releases.

True, but I'm not suggesting that they release demos for each of their upcoming games. However, releasing a demo for a game that's coming out in a few months, like say Smash Bros for 3DS, a game which should be all but finished, would be a nice treat.

I also think that Smash Bros is especially suitable for a demo because of how segmented it is. Smash Bros, after all, is nothing if not a collection of characters and stages. If Nintendo were worried about showing unfinished parts of the game, then a single stage with a handful of characters would suffice; something to whet the appetite.
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Post by: the asylum on April 29, 2014, 07:45:24 PM
Look on the bright side, guys. When the Wii U continues to tank despite Smash Bros, Iwata will finally be gone and we'll get someone who knows what the **** they're doing in his place.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on April 29, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
Hmm, I don't particularly care about the lack of a press conference, I'm not going to be at E3 or anything, so a polished and well-paced video actually sounds better. You lose a bit of live reaction energy, but it's a worthwhile trade.

But last year I definitely heard people in meat space say that Nintendo is doing so poorly that they skipped E3. This will continue, plus give the press more ammo for the Nintendoomed narrative.

Taking everything into consideration, I don't think the fact that it's a video instead of conference really says anything about the content, but it's hard to fight the "if Nintendo had anything impressive to show they'd have a live conference" feeling.
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Post by: Shaymin on April 29, 2014, 10:29:32 PM
I'm not really caring either way, but that's because E3 needs an enema. Badly.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 29, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Sony's success with PS4 has less to do with their press conference and more to do with just how bad Microsoft was last year.  Granted, Sony stomped a mudhole in MS overall plan but they are still only in the lead by a few 1000 systems.




On to Nintendo:


If they don't have the product to show, then it doesn't matter if they have a press conference or a skywriter, its all about content not delivery. I love the pomp and press of E3, booth girls and sale figures. It's all wonderful fodder for me but Nintendo needs to move in a different direction. Last years E3 direct was underwhelming but they showed very little in terms of new games and content. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN THIS YEAR( and I'm always right). Digital Event and Treehouse Live should be an interesting experiment.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 02:01:43 AM
Quote from: Nile Boogie Returns on April 29, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Sony's success with PS4 has less to do with their press conference and more to do with just how bad Microsoft was last year.  Granted, Sony stomped a mudhole in MS overall plan but they are still only in the lead by a few 1000 systems.

"A few 1,000 systems", huh? At last official count, Sony stated they had sold 7 MILLION PS4s worldwide, and Microsoft stated they had shipped 5 MILLION Xbones worldwide. You're a few zeroes off there, ace.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: azeke on April 30, 2014, 03:06:04 AM
Quote from: Nile Boogie Returns on April 29, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Sony's success with PS4 has less to do with their press conference and more to do with just how bad Microsoft was last year.
I had the biggest dissonance ever last year where Sony announced that they're gonna force everyone to pay for online and everyone clapped and asked for more.

That's how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 03:41:28 AM
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 03:06:04 AM
Quote from: Nile Boogie Returns on April 29, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Sony's success with PS4 has less to do with their press conference and more to do with just how bad Microsoft was last year.
I had the biggest dissonance ever last year where Sony announced that they're gonna force everyone to pay for online and everyone clapped and asked for more.

That's how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause.

If you are a PlayStation owner and you don't already own PlayStation Plus, you are a fool and you don't deserve to play online with me.  :P:

Seriously, PS+ has MORE than justified itself by this point. It's downright idiotic to complain about having to have it to play online right now. If Sony starts yanking the perks that have made Plus worth having in the future, that'll be a different story, but for now you're a fool if you don't have it already.
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Post by: azeke on April 30, 2014, 04:42:49 AM
As i said: "thunderous applause".
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Post by: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 05:13:54 AM
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 04:42:49 AM
As i said: "thunderous applause".

Thanks for sharing. In the meantime, everyone else is enjoying more than $50 worth of non-MP PS+ benefits every year. As I said, if that situation changes where Sony's no longer offering the kind of perks with it they have so far, you'll have a legitimate argument. For right now, that's not the case.

On a side note, I've been meaning to mention this but got sidetracked by the whole "Nintendo's not showing up for E3 again after 3 straight years of financial losses" thing: I do think it is a very good thing that Nintendo is doing this Smash Bros. tournament at E3. I may have nothing but disdain for the Smash Bros. fighting game community, but a tournament at E3 is an excellent way to show off your new game. Frankly, I'm somewhat shocked Capcom hasn't tried this yet (as far as I know).  I just wish it wasn't the only big thing Nintendo was doing at E3 this year.

There's a certain spontaneity, energy, and wonder to an E3 press conference that's just...lost...in these Directs. I'm increasingly finding myself not giving a **** about them because it doesn't feel like there's ever an impetus to watch them. I still haven't watched the Smash Bros. Direct, and I love Smash Bros. It just doesn't feel...important enough to devote time to this way.  Say what you will about the boring side of the pressers, but the possibility that things will not come off as scripted, that the audience will NOT love or automatically know what's coming next is what makes it interesting.

I dunno, the Directs just kind of remind me of when we were doing pre-recorded reviews on NFR: they were polished and they got their ideas through better than our ordinary conversations, but they were dry and boring without the back-and-forth of actual conversation. In fact, the Directs remind me of watching a sports game after the fact that you've DVR-ed: you can skip to the good bits and replay the parts you want, but nothing is going to happen that wasn't pre-scripted. The magic is gone.

At the end of the day, I can't blame Nintendo for going completely pre-recorded now. Their abysmal 2008 Wii Music E3 Conference was the very reason I became a multi-platform owner and have never looked back since. Their underwhelming 2012 Nintendoland E3 Conference certainly didn't do the Wii any favors.  But at the same time, one of the most memorable events in E3 history happened at a Nintendo press conference with the first reveal of Twilight Princess. Having everything in a pre-scripted; perfectly edited; and incredibly Engrish-ed Direct will make for a very efficient and cost-effective showing, but I miss the magic that can only happen when you have presenters showing off their games (which may or may not work) before an audience that may or may not like it. And in their day, Nintendo could hit the highs of that format with the best of them.

I know I'm rambling, but with another birthday come and gone I'm increasingly finding myself reflective, wistful for the days when Nintendo could still excite me. It just feels like the magic is slowly being drained away, like it has with everything else.  May Nintendo prove me wrong. I hope they do.
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Post by: azeke on April 30, 2014, 05:16:09 AM
Quote from: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 05:13:54 AM
if that situation changes where Sony's no longer offering the kind of perks with it they have so far...
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 03:06:04 AM
Sony announced that they're gonna force everyone to pay for online and everyone clapped and asked for more.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 05:44:30 AM
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 05:16:09 AM
Quote from: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 05:13:54 AM
if that situation changes where Sony's no longer offering the kind of perks with it they have so far...
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 03:06:04 AM
Sony announced that they're gonna force everyone to pay for online and everyone clapped and asked for more.

If your point is that 8 years from now (the lifespan of the PS3's extremely slow and buggy free PSN) Sony's going to make PS+ a far worse service, then 8 years from now I won't resubscribe. Right now, you just look ridiculous.
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Post by: azeke on April 30, 2014, 05:58:13 AM
I going to be write very slowly now:

PS3 ONLINE=FREE

PS4 ONLINE=NOT FREE

ONLINE:
FREE→NOT FREE

Sane reaction when
FREE→NOT FREE

should be

:) → >:[

Instead:

\o/\o/\o/ SONY © \o/\o/\o/
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 06:09:02 AM
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 05:58:13 AM
I going to be write very slowly now:

PS3 ONLINE=FREE

PS4 ONLINE=NOT FREE

ONLINE:
FREE→NOT FREE

Sane reaction when
FREE→NOT FREE

should be

 :) → >:[

Instead:

\o/\o/\o/ SONY © \o/\o/\o/

And I'm also going to write very slowly now:

"No one...gives...a ****...except you."

PS4 online having a fee associated with it isn't great, but servers cost money to maintain and if you haven't noticed, the PS3's free PSN servers suck (something I've been especially familiar with lately when I was redownloading 1 TB worth of PSN history onto my new PS3 HDD, which took 1.5 weeks). I've been paying into PS+ for years, and it's non-MP benefits have more than justified its $50 price tag. So now PS4 requires it for online. So what? I was going to pay for it anyway for the other features.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: azeke on April 30, 2014, 06:17:33 AM
Quote from: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 06:09:02 AM
No one...gives...a ****...except you
Which is exactly the reason it's so disconcerting.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Adrock on April 30, 2014, 07:06:16 AM
Quote from: broodwars on April 30, 2014, 05:13:54 AM
Having everything in a pre-scripted; perfectly edited; and incredibly Engrish-ed Direct will make for a very efficient and cost-effective showing, but I miss the magic that can only happen when you have presenters showing off their games (which may or may not work) before an audience that may or may not like it. And in their day, Nintendo could hit the highs of that format with the best of them.
I understand this more than the idea that E3 has some great effect on sales performance. Still, I strongly prefer the pre-recorded Directs because they're so focused. There will be three whole days of dozens of websites taking off-screen videos and conducting countless interviews with developers and corporate suits who will be forced to dance around and stutter through certain questions they were unprepared to answer. Many times I don't even get to watch the press conferences live as I have pesky things like a full-time job that get in the way so when I finally get around to watching them, I end up scrubbing through the video for the interesting bits. Finding where they start is more work than clicking on a dedicated video. I get what you're saying, but you like them for the same reason I don't. The only thing I miss from these big press conferences any any event is when someone cuts the video down to all the bad parts. "Call of Duty, Call of Duty, Call of Duty, TV, Sports, TV, Sports, Sports, Television, TV, Call of Duty, Sports, Television."
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: pokepal148 on April 30, 2014, 07:32:35 AM
I like video games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on April 30, 2014, 07:39:46 AM
Quote from: pokepal148 on April 30, 2014, 07:32:35 AM
I like video games.

Damn it! That was going to be my line.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 30, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
An episode 3 reference in a Nintendo is doomed-ish conversation, all my favorite things together at last. It's like some digital klondike bar paired with milano cookies.


PS+ is quite awesome but shouldn't be mandatory. 


As for this years E3, there is a reason we haven't had any major Nintendo Directs this year (save for smash), Nintendo knows that they blew their load far too early last year (ND Jan 2013) for any meaningful impact. They had little new to show and could only expound on already announced titles. "The power to please the mob, is power" and in that regard, Nintendo must please the crowd.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on April 30, 2014, 10:58:24 AM
Quote from: Nile Boogie Returns on April 30, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
PS+ is quite awesome but shouldn't be mandatory. 

Lucky for us then it isn't mandatory.

I've had PS+ since the PS4 launch but I've let my subscription lapse this month because I don't have any games that I currently wish to play online and I'm not sold on May's entry in Instant game collection.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Ian Sane on April 30, 2014, 12:13:49 PM
Last year what Nintendo actually showed wasn't that interesting so if they have something more substantial this year then that will make a big difference.  Stuff like the infamous Wii Music E3 wasn't a dud because of how they presented but simply because of what they presented.  The reality was that Wii Music was the Wii's big Christmas game and THAT is what sucked.  There was no way to save the presentation because the lineup for the next year was garbage and you can't fix that with a good presentation.

So if Nintendo has an impressive list of games for the next year of the Wii U that's what will really matter.  But I still feel that "skipping" E3 gives a bad impression.  Right now, when Nintendo has never been more irrelevant, was not the time to act like they're too big for E3.  It looks like E3 is too big for them.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: MagicCow64 on April 30, 2014, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 05:58:13 AM
I going to be write very slowly now:

PS3 ONLINE=FREE

PS4 ONLINE=NOT FREE

ONLINE:
FREE→NOT FREE

Sane reaction when
FREE→NOT FREE

should be

 :) → >:[

Instead:

\o/\o/\o/ SONY © \o/\o/\o/

Bravo! And all this cheerleading for PS+'s amazing value . . . if it doesn't appeal to you, then it doesn't have value. If having a random selection of old games slotted around takes the sting off of paying for online multiplayer for you, then fine, but it is by no means unreasonable to refuse Sony's offer.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: pokepal148 on April 30, 2014, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: azeke on April 30, 2014, 03:06:04 AM
Quote from: Nile Boogie Returns on April 29, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Sony's success with PS4 has less to do with their press conference and more to do with just how bad Microsoft was last year.
I had the biggest dissonance ever last year where Sony announced that they're gonna force everyone to pay for online and everyone clapped and asked for more.

That's how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause.
Did you just quote the prequels? as much as I love that particular quote we're done talking.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: Mop it up on April 30, 2014, 04:28:56 PM
I agree that it probably isn't a good idea to skip the big press conference thing, but for me personally I'm fine with this.
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: azeke on April 30, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: pokepal148 on April 30, 2014, 02:53:49 PM
Did you just quote the prequels?
Ah, it's yet another example of me being completely devoid of blind nostalgia for the thing you grew up.

Thus, i don't hate newest installments at all. They're not raping MY childhood.

2003 Clone Wars was good, Jedi Academy games are good, Empire Strikes is the only legitimately good movie but everything else SW is mediocre to trash
Title: Re: Nintendo Reveals E3 2014 Plans, Includes Smash Bros. Tournament
Post by: azeke on May 12, 2014, 08:09:43 AM
Mega64 talking about how they made this video:
http://youtu.be/zHVp-KhybNM?t=30m


I still haven't watched it...