Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 19, 2003, 01:24:19 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 19, 2003, 04:51:05 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on June 19, 2003, 08:31:35 PM
Post by: joeamis on June 19, 2003, 08:46:24 PM
I believe you can still use the link (GBA to GC) cable even with the GB Player attached
and if for some Bizarre reason you couldn't then just unconnect the player...(ok so it doesn't unconnect very easily but hey it's not that hard)
Post by: Bloodworth on June 19, 2003, 10:20:59 PM
Post by: joeamis on June 19, 2003, 10:24:42 PM
then you can use the link cable when the GB Player is unattached... that has nothing to do with using the GB Player unattached... I never said you could use the GB Player when it was unattached! I'm not a total dumb@#$
Post by: Bloodworth on June 19, 2003, 11:02:53 PM
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 21, 2003, 02:10:48 AM
Hey, it should be possible, if the GBP is connected to the system, the GCN shoulld be able to see it at the least. Theres no reason it shouldnt work.
Post by: Bloodworth on June 21, 2003, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: Christberg on June 21, 2003, 03:50:31 PM
Can you use the US bootdisc with a Japanese Gameboy Player? Some guy who already has one and knows how to get a US one cheap wanted to know.
Post by: Bloodworth on June 21, 2003, 04:27:04 PM
Post by: Joshtheleo on June 21, 2003, 04:46:18 PM
now that im done ranting, one question for bloodworth. How do gbc and gb games look on the tv, i mean do they fill the screen, fit in a window, or are they horizontaly streched like on the gba (which is dumb, they should have streched it verticaly)?
Post by: Clonester on June 21, 2003, 05:05:47 PM
What about other GBA games? In the FAQ you said Yoshi's Island looked nice on the GB Player. Does this game as well as other SNES ports look as good as they did on the SNES? That's really the only thing I was wondering before I purchase it. I'm happy about the better quality sound, because great sound adds a lot to a game. Also, if Chrono Trigger was ever ported to the GBA, I would be happy that the great soundtrack would remain top quality on the GB Player, because I'm sure it wouldn't be quite up to par on the GBA speakers.
Post by: RickPowers on June 21, 2003, 05:08:25 PM
As for it being "cheap" of Nintendo ... it's not. Maybe it was a technical limitation, maybe not. What we do know is that the Game Boy Player was effectively developed by a VERY small team, and I'm sure that such niche features were just not a priority.
Post by: Big_Pimp on June 21, 2003, 05:11:03 PM
Post by: SuckLikeAFox on June 21, 2003, 05:27:28 PM
But you made one mistake, it very well does support progressive scan
Post by: Bloodworth on June 21, 2003, 06:12:17 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on June 21, 2003, 06:33:53 PM
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now that im done ranting, one question for bloodworth. How do gbc and gb games look on the tv, i mean do they fill the screen, fit in a window, or are they horizontaly streched like on the gba (which is dumb, they should have streched it verticaly)?
They work just as they do on GBA: Either a framed screen at the normal GB dimensions or a horizontally stretched screen.
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Does this game as well as other SNES ports look as good as they did on the SNES?
Totally depends on the game. As I mentioned, we did a side-by-side with Mario World and it looks better on GBA. I haven't seen DKC yet, so I'm not sure.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on June 21, 2003, 06:44:17 PM
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no mode for Widescreen tvs!
Actually, adding support for widescreen TV's would be a huge effort and, quite honestly, pointless. Every digital widescreen TV I've seen has a zoom feature that should do a pretty good job of filling the screen.
Post by: sm4k on June 21, 2003, 07:43:54 PM
I was disapointed to get a confirmation that it would require a boot disk, I was hoping that it would come with a disk that would - in effect - flash the gamecube's bios and give it the added feature for you to select to boot to the GBP or to a GC game, somewhat similar to how if you are using a PS2 and hit some buttons before the game actually boots, it presents you with a menu, if you want to boot off the cd or mess around with your memory card. Alas, was not to be.
I was also hoping that it would do what Shorty McNostril was talking about, let you put a game like Metroid Fusion into the GBP, that running Metroid Prime and choosing the Link Bonuses that it would recognize that Fusion was in the GBP, and unlock all the features just as it would if you were linking a real GBA. Again, not to be, but maybe in the future.
All in All I'm really looking forward to this. I just had one question about what the FAQ talked about, the controls. You can only choose from 2 given sets of control lay outs? You can't map your own? I ask this because I have imported one of those Hori controllers, similar to a SNES controller, to play GBA games on with the GBP. I figured that it had the perfect amount of buttons and would be the ideal controller for the situation. But if I can only choose between two button layouts, I guess the 'select' button on the Hori controller will be going to waste, instead of being my Select button on the GBP.
Post by: Bloodworth on June 21, 2003, 07:53:54 PM
Post by: Pale on June 21, 2003, 08:13:54 PM
Post by: sm4k on June 21, 2003, 08:33:08 PM
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Well, what does the select button on the Hori controller map to anyways?
No idea, I haven't recieved it yet, I ordered it last Friday (June 13th) and did standard global, since it's going from Hong-Kong to Missouri, USA, I would assume that I'm not going to get it till Monday or Tuesday.
Post by: Wooly427 on June 21, 2003, 08:49:15 PM
Post by: mud3342 on June 21, 2003, 10:03:43 PM
2 settings for the controller on the GBP are to either have the X and Y both be the select button and for L and R to be the GBA's L and R, or for L and R both to be select and Y be L and X be R, also, the "Hori Digital controller" works perfect with the GBP, for all the select button is is a 2nd Y button, so all u have to do is use the first controller option in the GBP and the select on the controller will be the select in the game. Next, I have much bigger news about the GBP and Gamecube Q connectability, for I, myself, have gotten them to work perfectly together, the only main "problem" is that u have to do a bit a sawing, for the Q's front legs and a few nubs on the GBP must be removed for them to fit together. Now, I didnt have any trouble with this, but please if you plan on doing this procedure, please use extreme caution, for among other things, scratching the bottom of the Q is almost inevitable, and also if u are not in the knowing of how this might work, please ask for others assistance, but if wat u rilly want is a Q that plays GBA games then this is ur only way, good luck! ^_^
Post by: PIAC on June 21, 2003, 10:04:16 PM
okay, i gave it a quick 5 second play, and i think it looks alot better than the GBA version
Post by: Bloodworth on June 21, 2003, 10:20:21 PM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on June 21, 2003, 11:40:21 PM
Post by: Wooly427 on June 22, 2003, 04:54:25 AM
Post by: Robageejammin on June 22, 2003, 06:40:35 AM
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 22, 2003, 08:30:32 AM
Post by: Bloodworth on June 22, 2003, 08:52:04 AM
Wooly, I'm not sure I would say Fusion looks better than Super Metroid, but they're definitely comparable. Good games to pick up are Wario Ware, the Sonic games, the Mario Advance games, RPGs, Doom II, Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, etc. So yeah, the only game I've seen that seems to suffer on the GBP is Pokemon R/S with it's blurry text , but it's still plays fine.
Post by: Wooly427 on June 22, 2003, 09:53:08 AM
Post by: Wooly427 on June 22, 2003, 10:06:05 AM
Post by: Bloodworth on June 22, 2003, 10:10:05 AM
Second: http://www.videogamedepot.com
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 23, 2003, 06:53:04 AM
Wernt they cheaper or something? Oh well, somebody tell NoA to bring these controllers home.
Oh, and since the GBP is comming out, they need to put in a way where you can have all the multiplayer functions with just one copy (Either you plug in more controllers or connect GBA's that only send controller responses.
Post by: RickPowers on June 23, 2003, 08:32:14 AM
Post by: Round Eye on June 23, 2003, 08:56:17 AM
I checked Futureshops website and they had an estimated date of Jun 25. Thinking I will have to wait untill then, we always seem to be a couple days behind *goes and cries to momma*.
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 23, 2003, 08:57:53 AM
For example, a linked GBA without a cartridge is sent data to recieve control responses, or if the cart detects that its in a Game Boy Player, you could just plug in another controller and it can find the newly plugged in controller and the Player takes responses from it.
Assuming that a Game Boy Advance can handle splitscreen play anyway.
Just think, you'll need only a copy of SMA4 for a single screen Mario Bros. game.
Post by: Pale on June 23, 2003, 09:32:30 AM
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Post by: franky005 on June 23, 2003, 11:49:11 AM
Post by: DRJ on June 23, 2003, 12:44:58 PM
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Maybe the new games will have the ability to do multiplayer with just one cartridge. For fighting games and turn based. Maybe some will even have split screen. Now that developers have the GBP to play with they could do a lot of different things. Exspecially if it is a big seller.
I like that it will give developers more flexability in making games. They can include multiplayer on one screen or with split screens. There will probably be online games. I am very interested to see what games will be coming out to fully utilize this system.
Post by: Wooly427 on June 23, 2003, 04:47:01 PM
Post by: RickPowers on June 23, 2003, 04:55:51 PM
Post by: mud3342 on June 23, 2003, 05:09:51 PM
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To that guy who modded his q to fit the gbplayer... do you have any pics? I'd like to see if the dumb black uglifies it too much.
heres a pic: http://www.geocities.com/mud3342000/qgbp.jpg Its the platinum one!
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 23, 2003, 07:09:36 PM
All I'm trying to say is that since the Game Boy Player can utilize the different parts of the Gamecube, I'm very sure there is a high chance of where all you need to play...oh say like Super Mario Advance's Mario Bros. Classic mode with 4 players is plug in other controllers to play the other Marios. Sure, the screen IS too big for that to happen correctly, but if they can scale the sprites or something it can work. And a splitscreen game of something flat shouldnt be too bothersome for the GBA to handle. Like if there was a race in like a Super Mario World level at least a 2 player split would work correctly. The GBA/P can handle all the art/pallete and stuff. There wont be any need to emulate yet another GBA. And another 'screen' cant be too harsh on the GBP/A
Or if what that guy said earlier about fighting games, that will DEFINATLEY work. The GBP can pick up the other controller port and control the other character. Come on, it should at least do single screen multiplayer.
Oh, one thing, even though it was 'released' today, my Gamestop said that it wont come in until tommorrow. I cant wait. Whee!
Post by: RickPowers on June 23, 2003, 07:28:18 PM
Seriously, while you guys have come up with innovative, technical possibilities, you're ignoring the fact that just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 23, 2003, 08:44:14 PM
Post by: Pale on June 23, 2003, 09:02:23 PM
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heres a pic: http://www.geocities.com/mud3342000/qgbp.jpg Its the platinum one!
Yeah, i really don't think i can bring myself to kill my q like that. :-/
What am i worried about though, i already own an sp and that works just fine.
It's just the "i need every piece of nintendo hardware" disease I have.Post by: WesDawg on June 24, 2003, 04:46:12 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 24, 2003, 02:52:31 PM
Did they tell you when you pre-ordered that the price was 45.99? If that's the price you agreed to they shouldn't be able to just charge an extra 10 bucks (that might even be illegal). I don't know how you handled the situation but I would have chewed them out right there. Something to the tune of "this is BULLSH!T. You can kiss my business good bye." would have been my words.
If you were pissed off why didn't you buy the game somewhere else? I understand you pre-ordered the Player but I assume you just bought a game off of the shelf.
Post by: SCF on June 24, 2003, 03:31:58 PM
Post by: N-forced on June 24, 2003, 03:44:38 PM
Some of you probably also own a GBP like me, and after playing some time with if i got a question:
The Screen sometimes got frame isues, especially noticable in newer platform games where a whole lot of scrolling is going on.
I'm a owner of a Pal version and i got it running in 60 hz mode.
I'm thinking that Nintendo did some lousy porting, cause the main market is using the ntsc format.
I've read your faq and that didn't clear up the probs i'm getting so could you please check your scrolling again ?
Does your Player run the games as fluidly like your gba ?
Post by: TOY on June 24, 2003, 04:29:27 PM
TOY
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 24, 2003, 05:48:15 PM
I'm also aware that my TV tuner on my PC can resize the display any way I want to. So I can have my games full screen on my PC (And on my TV through some connecting) but thats beside the point.
Also, I'm happy some people agree with me on the multiplayer issue. I wouldnt mind if the mini games were on one screen only. But with 2 player games like DKC's Candy Kong's DDR (Or wahtever its called) its ridiculous that you need another GBA and copy of DKC to play this mode. Although I wonder if this is impossible, since I found out that no matter what controllers plugged into where, it'll still take responses for the same first controller.
Post by: Rhoq on June 25, 2003, 04:37:21 AM
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I know the gameboyplayer is an awesome addition to Nintendo's hardware lineup BUT I think my local Gamestop store is abusive on this little machine. When I got to the store I notice most of the new GBA games were in the 40 bucks rage wich I thought it was rare since a month ago I went to the same store and most of them where in the 30 bucks range. When I go to pick up my new GBA player they told me it wasn't 45.99 that I had to pay,(because i pre order it a while a go) no no no it was 55.99 that I had to pay, so that means i had to pay 99.99 bucks for the gba player plus a gba game? WTF? this is abusive I tell you abusive I was so mad that they change the price range because they wanted more $$$$ I think this is too much, 40 bucks for a gba game is too much in my mind when we all know that the gba games are always in the 30 range, i may be bitching about the 10 or 20 bucks that i have to pay more, but think about it, if i pay 20 more bucks, so will you and other 1000 people meaning they are making more money. I think this is too abusive and a slap in the face to the gamer comunity, so screw you gamestop.
I'm glad to know that I am not the only one who thinks GameStop is shady at times. From what I have personally witnessed, certain GameStop stores make up their own prices. I live in Philadelphia, PA (USA) - I work in Center City (our downtown area). The only GameStop in this area is at The Gallery (a shopping mall). Since The Gallery is a high traffic shopping center, the GameStop that is located there does HUGE business. Every time I go in there, GameStop is crowded. I have noticed that at this store in particular, the prices are $5-$10 higher on games (new and used) than the prices listed on the GameStop website and at the 2 other locations that I sometimes shop at. The reason why I go this GameStop is because it is more or less on my way home from work. The other 2 GameStops that I go to are in my neighborhood in NE Philly (Mayfair Shopping Center and Bustleton & Cottman). Those stores have the same prices as listed on the website and sometimes they are cheaper!
Post by: Wooly427 on June 25, 2003, 04:53:32 AM
Post by: DRJ on June 25, 2003, 04:59:08 AM
But games are priced differently depending on where you go. I saw home run king at Toys R Us for $30 and best buy has them for $8.95. I cant really complain to Toys R Us for over charging, I just wouldnt buy from them.
As for Gamestop they seem very high to me anyways. I see Metroid Prime for $50, well ok, but it is used for $44.95, whats up with this I can save $5 for a used scratched up copy? ooooh. I go to Dimple Records now for used games since theya are in the $20 range.
Also if you are buying new items you can get $5 off at best buy for anything over $20. Just look for the Gamers Gift Cards. They are gift cards with a $5 coupon off any game or accessory (Gamecube, Xbox, PS1/2 etc). Just buy it and put $10 on it then spend it (since the ammount you buy it for is just on the card) and save $5. Its not much savings, but every little bit counts.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on June 25, 2003, 06:03:10 AM
Post by: Bloodworth on June 25, 2003, 06:57:18 AM
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Have any of you guys tried the Four Swords on Zelda for GBA? Can you play it all on the same screen with 4 controllers too?
No, no. We've explained this very thoroughly. Multiplayer works exactly the same as it does on GBA (you need multiple systems for most games), and it will remain that way unless new games are specifically programmed for the Game Boy Player. The only games that you can use two controllers with are games that would have had both players sharing a Game Boy. All four controller slots behave as if they are controller one.
Post by: Round Eye on June 25, 2003, 10:23:13 AM
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No, that's not true, and I've gone to great lengths to try to bring you all back down to reality. It's not going to happen, so PLEASE ... stop expecting it.
I really don't see the reason why they could not bring more multiplayer functionality. I realize the old/current games will not have this ability. For future games if the single cartridge is designed for it, why not?
The GC would still only be emulating one cartridge. I am sure Nintendo had the forsight to leave the door open in the hardware for more multiplayer development.
The GBP will open up another option menu for developers to put on their cartridge, count on it.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on June 25, 2003, 11:16:49 AM
Yes, the GBP can access some special features the GameCube has to offer, but it would be pointless to make, in essence, a GameCube game on a GBA cart. The Game Boy Player still runs at the same resolution as a GBA. Some crazy split screen mode with GBA resolution would look pretty darn horrible. If the GBP is capable of treating each port as a seperate input, which is quite likely, we will see single-screen multiplayer if anything. Of course any serious single-screen multiplayer game will be designed for the GameCube and its higher resolution.
Post by: Round Eye on June 25, 2003, 12:02:14 PM
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If the GBP is capable of treating each port as a seperate input, which is quite likely, we will see single-screen multiplayer if anything. Of course any serious single-screen multiplayer game will be designed for the GameCube and its higher resolution.
Exactly, that is all I meant. It would be ideal for fighting games, like SF Alpha. Just so you would not have to buy the extra cartridge...
hmmm...
Never mind ain't going to happen.
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 25, 2003, 01:17:46 PM
And besides, its cheaper to buy a brand new GBA game than to get a brand new GCN game, then again, these days, developers arent very creative, and we probably wont see a Single screen mini game for 4 players at all. Unless its from Nintendo.
Bloodworth, it should be irrelevent that the Game Boy Player reckonizes all 4 ports as the same controller, some specifically designed games can tell the system otherwise I'm sure.
Post by: Rhoq on June 26, 2003, 04:36:24 AM
When trying Super Mario Bros. DX out, I noticed that if I push up on the either the D-Pad or the Analog Stick there is some kind of scrolling, where the the game screen moves up , cutting off the bottom inch or so of the screen (the ground that Mario walks on, enemies, etc.). If I push down, the screen returns to the original position. Also, if I press X or Y (select) - it does a weird scrolling where it jumps an inch to the right or left.
While I am not really concerned about the X and Y scrolling, I am concerned about what happens when I push up on the controller, since it affects the play area. What I would like to know is: Is this a problem with the GameBoy Player or is this the way Super Mario Bros. DX was designed? When played on the GameBoy Color or GameBoy Advance, does the same thing happen when you press up on the D-Pad?
Post by: HolyPaladin on June 26, 2003, 05:19:26 AM
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OK, I bought the GameBoy Player last night along with Super Mario Bros. DX for the GameBoy Color. The game looks great on the TV, but I do have a question...
When trying Super Mario Bros. DX out, I noticed that if I push up on the either the D-Pad or the Analog Stick there is some kind of scrolling, where the the game screen moves up , cutting off the bottom inch or so of the screen (the ground that Mario walks on, enemies, etc.). If I push down, the screen returns to the original position. Also, if I press X or Y (select) - it does a weird scrolling where it jumps an inch to the right or left.
While I am not really concerned about the X and Y scrolling, I am concerned about what happens when I push up on the controller, since it affects the play area. What I would like to know is: Is this a problem with the GameBoy Player or is this the way Super Mario Bros. DX was designed? When played on the GameBoy Color or GameBoy Advance, does the same thing happen when you press up on the D-Pad?
I haven't played that particular game, but it sounds to me like something programmed into it. I have played a few games before that made it possible to deliberately scroll the screen this way or that, mainly up and down, to see farther into that direction. Howeverm I never have really used my GB Player, yet, since I still have my nose buried in Mega Man: Network Transmission. I mean to get back to some GBA games after finishing this GCN game, probably.
Post by: DRJ on June 26, 2003, 06:03:18 AM
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Pressing up just makes Mario look up and the screen scrolls upward to show more of the area. So far I have tried Zelda Four Swords and Metroid Fusion on my GBP and they both look great. Plus I like being able to hear the sound through my speakers. If you havnt picked up this system yet go get one now, it is great.
Cool. What's frustrating is that when it scrolls up, a crucial part of the playing area disappears. It's a bit frustrating. I take it that it's the exact same way when played on the GBC or GBA and not just something the GBP is doing to the game?
Other than that, I think the game looks just as good with the GBP as the original did on the NES
Post by: DRJ on June 26, 2003, 08:00:43 AM
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I take it that it's the exact same way when played on the GBC or GBA and not just something the GBP is doing to the game?
The GBP is the same thing as a GBA. Same hardware etc. So it doesnt really do anything new except output the audio/video differently.
I guess your just supposed to look up to see what is going on and then go back to the normal view. If you see something at the very top of the screen this will let you have a better look at what you are dealing with.
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 26, 2003, 10:01:50 AM
Though I do kinda wish for a Super Mario Advance 5 - Super Mario Bros.
Oh, if you press Select the screen shifts directly behind Mario.
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Post by: MysticGohan on June 26, 2003, 10:35:43 PM
It does look really nice on the TV set, Metroid Fusion especially. it's very comparable to the SNES Super Metroid, I hope Metroid: Zero Mission will look just as nice as either of those mentioned.
Golden Sun I find looks really sweet, like it was made for the big screen
and the audio helps coming through the TV. I really want to get Lost ages.Games like Zelda oracle of ages and Links awakening look good, Although the original Links awakening isn't nearly as well presented compared to it's game boy color counter part, but it's still pretty darn close.
I would like to play 4 sword, but there's that issue of needing more than one cart to play *sigh* Although I do own the original lttp for snes.
And Breath Of Fire 2 looks as well as it's SNES counter part, the only minor issue is that the sound effects in some areas aren't nearly as well produced compared to the original. But it excels everywhere else.
when it's all said and done.... I love this thing
Post by: Nephilim on June 27, 2003, 05:16:35 AM
But my old Donkey kong land doesnt work on it, no matter how much i blow on it, I always get the graphical glitch on the nintendo logo. which sucks, since 6months ago it worked on my gb pocket.
Also Iv got a question, I noticed on the bottom of the unit, It says it lives up to canadian standards and the booklet has french and english in it...why did they do that with a Pal version? I dont think canadian standards have anything to do with Australia/nz, since it says only to be sold here on the box
Post by: thesos21 on June 27, 2003, 06:56:21 AM
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I bought one today, I quite like it.
But my old Donkey kong land doesnt work on it, no matter how much i blow on it, I always get the graphical glitch on the nintendo logo. which sucks, since 6months ago it worked on my gb pocket.
Also Iv got a question, I noticed on the bottom of the unit, It says it lives up to canadian standards and the booklet has french and english in it...why did they do that with a Pal version? I dont think canadian standards have anything to do with Australia/nz, since it says only to be sold here on the box
Where did you get it from? Sounds like somehow you got a canadian GBP. I'm not quite sure how, but it's strange that something like that would be under the unit especially in your case. hmmmmmmm Intresting, You might have an imported gbp with an Aus boot disc, that would sound plausible. Perhaps Daniel or Rick can answer this, as I can only think of what I've listed as the case.
Also I remember when the GBA first came out, I believed it was said that it can play most Game boy games but there are a few that may not work.
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Post by: sm4k on June 28, 2003, 03:17:20 PM
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Does any else think that the GBP will put more pressure on the developers to add more detail to their games? Before, they could get away with low detail on the tiny screen. Now reviewers will be reviewing the games on the big screen and making judgements based on that.
Well, keep in mind that developers are still creating their games FOR the GBA mostly. Any truely honest reviewer would probably base 90% of their judgement upon how it looks/plays on a GBA or GBASP as that's where the majority of all GBA games are going to be played, and probably only touch on how well it looks on, or if there are any perks to playing it on the GBP.
Post by: DRJ on June 28, 2003, 03:47:20 PM
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Post by: ruby_onix on June 30, 2003, 01:09:49 AM
Can anyone confirm this?
Did Nintendo specifically design the GameBoy Player to take a stab at an unauthorized third party accessory that they didn't like?
Post by: bubba23 on June 30, 2003, 06:04:54 AM
>>Can anyone confirm this?
I just tested it out the Playcube with a regular PS2 controller and a Shadowblade Arcade Stick playing a game on the GBP. I couldn't get any movement on either of them
. That's too bad because that would have been a great idea.
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Post by: Rhoq on July 08, 2003, 04:18:08 AM
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i think the gameboy player is a good idea its just that the screen resolution of the gameboy advanseis ok for a small screen but when projected onto a tv wont it look quite a bit blurred or will the resolution be inhanced by the tv
While it's true that most of the GBA games are designed for the 2.9" screen of the GBA, most of them look surprisingly clear on a TV screen. Easily SNES quality graphics. You have to remember that the GameBoy Player uses the GameCube to process the video images. It is not just magnifying the GameBoy video.
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Originally posted by: Round Eye
Does any else think that the GBP will put more pressure on the developers to add more detail to their games? Before, they could get away with low detail on the tiny screen. Now reviewers will be reviewing the games on the big screen and making judgements based on that.
Well, keep in mind that developers are still creating their games FOR the GBA mostly. Any truely honest reviewer would probably base 90% of their judgement upon how it looks/plays on a GBA or GBASP as that's where the majority of all GBA games are going to be played, and probably only touch on how well it looks on, or if there are any perks to playing it on the GBP.
Well, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was made with GBA, GBA SP and GBP all in mind and will function differently for each system so the user can get the best use out of the game. That is from what I read about the game several months ago.
Post by: Asimov on July 10, 2003, 09:52:54 AM
Post by: Cooolcorey on July 10, 2003, 09:20:41 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 12, 2003, 02:32:12 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on July 12, 2003, 02:48:03 PM
Post by: TAYREL713 on July 15, 2003, 11:28:31 AM
Post by: Bloodworth on July 15, 2003, 08:09:54 PM
Post by: penfold on July 16, 2003, 04:33:58 PM
My only gripe with the GBP is the packaging. Why did Nintendo have to put the adapter in all that plastic? It would have been better, IMHO, to package it just like the GameCube. It took me 6 minutes to get the GBP out of the plastic with sharp scissors. Other than that, the GBP is truly a masterpiece. Okay, the games dont always show up clearly (afterall, the games are not designed for viewing on a television screen), but its better than looking at a certain way on a GBA trying to figure out whether or not Toad is actually in the lead, or in last place.
Congrats to Nintendo for creating another masterpiece and adding over a thousand games to the Cube library.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 17, 2003, 03:35:51 AM
Post by: Soundworks on July 18, 2003, 11:34:38 AM
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http://www.gamecubeland.com/hosted/thamozz/
Post by: ruby_onix on July 18, 2003, 12:24:39 PM
Cooolcorey - "Yep, it's possible. They can also do online GBA games or use the GBP as a substitue for a GCN-GBA link cable for linkage."
KnowsNothing - "errrm, didn't Nintendo say the GBP CANNOT substitute for a GCN-GBA link cable?"
Bloodworth - "Yeah, they did. There's no reason for it though. It works just fine."
TAYREL713 - "What do you mean it works fine Bloodworth? Do you know something we dont?"
Bloodworth - "I mean we've tried it and it works fine. We're guessing the "warning" should be taken just as lightly as the warning not to use rechargeable batteries in a Game Boy or Wave Bird."
I just noticed this and thought I should try and clarify it. I think Bloodworth mistook the question, or was answering something completely different.
The GBP currently can't substitute for a GCN-GBA link cable. You can't get GCN/GBA connectivity out of just a GameCube with the GBA Player. If you put Metroid Prime in your GCN, and Metroid Fusion in your GBA Player, the Fusion Suit in Prime won't unlock. Even if you do something weird like connect a GCN-GBA cable from one of the controller ports to the Player's game link port.
It's supposed to be completely possible that future games might include that feature, and others (by simply including the GBP's Boot Disk instructions inside a GameCube game). But it currently doesn't exist, so Nintendo says you can't do it.
What I think Bloodworth was commenting on was a line in the GBP instruction book that says you can't hook up two (or four) GBP-connected GameCubes to play multiplayer GBA games. It says you should only hook up one GameBoy Player, and then you can attach up to three regular GBA's.
That's not true though. If you have enough TV's and GameCubes, you can play all the big screen GBA multiplayer games that you want. I don't think anyone knows why Nintendo included that line.
Although I can understand Nintendo not endorsing rechargable batteries, because I've seen my GBA get picky, and refuse some of my cheaper third party GameBoy Color power packs (used through one of those third party GBA adaptors). Even though it's supposed to be all the same voltage, and they work on my GBC just fine.
Post by: Bloodworth on July 20, 2003, 12:09:46 AM
Post by: Gamefreak on July 20, 2003, 02:02:00 AM
My dad found a silver recarchable battery kit from Pelican (2 rechargeable battery "packs" [2 AA's fused together] and a charger) for 3 dollars at some store and bought it...And it works perfectly on my Platinum GBA, and even matches the color...
Post by: mouse_clicker on July 20, 2003, 11:43:07 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on July 20, 2003, 07:33:42 PM
good story, eh?
Post by: Bloodworth on July 20, 2003, 11:16:35 PM
The initial investment may seem a little steep, but I've been swapping out the same two sets of batteries since GBA was released in Japan. It's certainly worth your money to buy enough of these batteries for every device you have.
Post by: ruby_onix on July 22, 2003, 02:47:04 PM
Like, one of the ones before the N64 came out, back when they didn't come with analog or rumble?
Those ones are much closer to what the Hori Pad offers. It could just be that the GBP has problems with the rumble, or analog, or something like that.
Post by: VoodooMerlin on July 22, 2003, 02:53:26 PM
Look at all of the RPGs that the Cube has now!!! I gave up my beloved XboX (which strangely is lacking in the genre) and bought a second Cube with Player because of that fact. I notice no real degradation of the GBA games on a big screen at all. They give you enough options to make any game look great.
Hats off to the innovators at Nintendo.
Post by: TAYREL713 on July 28, 2003, 05:52:37 AM
Post by: TAYREL713 on July 28, 2003, 05:54:09 AM
Post by: VoodooMerlin on July 28, 2003, 05:18:31 PM
You can see what you're doing!!!
ALL of the games are better. If not for it's portability and use as a connective controller, you could now ditch your GBA for good. You won't WANT to play games on it any more. Trust me.
Post by: Twisted Halo on July 29, 2003, 02:57:51 AM
If you ask me, it's still now as good as the Super GameBoy for SNES. From what I hear, they didn't add the cool backgrounds to the GBP like they did on SGB! Of course, it's still worth the money, but they could've done that to make the GBP more interesting. I actually liked beating games and watching the credits while there were people on the screen sitting in a movie theater watching it, sleeping, or even playing gameboy. Ahhhh, memories!
Post by: Giolon on July 29, 2003, 11:01:22 PM
Metroid Fusion -- This game looks and plays great on the GBP. It's almost like playing Super Metroid again. The sound is spot on as well.
Mario Kart: Super Circuit -- Ugh! This game looks BAD. It's not such a biggie if you don't use full screen mode but those jagged edges on the rendered 3D models are horrible and you notice how low res the game really is. The game controls, plays, and sounds just fine though.
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past -- The game looks and plays fine, but I'm sorry guys, I can't play this one on the TV. Why? Because the sound is all wrong! After years of playing LttP on the SNES, I know what the game should sound like and everything is too hollow, high pitched, and tinny compared to the sound from the original version.
Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World -- Exactly the same comments as Zelda.
Megaman Zero -- Gorgeous. Sounds and plays well too
Golden Sun & Golden Sun: The Lost Age -- OH MY GOD! These games were made for the big screen! They look and sound absolutely fantastic! My little stereo system nicely pulls the bass right out of the midi line and pumps it into my room, nice and full. The top notch music is great to hear with a niced balanced orchestration. And FINALLY!!!! I can see the excellent artwork that makes up the summons in this game without having to squint and get closer to my GBA. The artwork in the game really shines on a television screen and the sound is there to back it up. The only place that is not quite so nice is the overworld, but it never looked that great on the GBA in all it's Mode 7 scrolling glory.
Post by: mojorizin on July 31, 2003, 04:55:34 PM
I fiddled with the settings in Fusion, but didn't see much difference. Is there a general rule regarding which filter fits certain games, does it default, or does anyone have suggestion for best setting for Fusion or the Castlevania series?
Post by: Giolon on August 03, 2003, 12:51:44 PM
Post by: mojorizin on August 04, 2003, 05:19:14 PM
Post by: PIAC on August 05, 2003, 04:17:06 AM
regarding the filters, i dont really notice a difference in any of the 3, but that was on my horible old as i am tv that was worse quality than my GBA screen
now i have my NEW tv i should probably try them out.
Post by: VideoGamerJ on August 05, 2003, 10:51:47 PM
Post by: Fox5 on August 06, 2003, 08:45:03 PM
BTW, nintendo probably recommended against linking gameboy players because it is impractical and someone could drop a tv on their head or something. And in a recent issue of nintendo power, they said the gameboy player can't be used for link ups with a gamecube game to download data into the ram.(you know, the cartless mode) Though I don't have 2 gamecubes to test this out, I did try a gba sending data to the gb player and it worked just fine. I also tried linking advance wars 1 and 2, but they only managed to find each other and not link, but as long as you're not doing fog of war the gb player works great for multiplayer advance wars. Bomberman isn't too shabby either, but it's not that fun.(old bombermans were better, plus the formula has lost some charm, especially when there are so much better console games available, at least advance wars stands alone...unless that gladius game has multiplayer, and a darn good one at that)
Post by: darknight06 on August 07, 2003, 08:27:14 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on August 07, 2003, 11:51:25 AM
Post by: Fox5 on August 07, 2003, 02:41:59 PM
Post by: darknight06 on August 07, 2003, 02:53:26 PM
http://home.villagephotos.com/2003-8/18679/DrMarioGBA.jpg
Post by: darknight06 on August 07, 2003, 04:05:34 PM
Sorry about the image quality though.
http://home.villagephotos.com/2003-8/18679/playcubeGBplayer.zip
Post by: ruby_onix on August 09, 2003, 12:22:41 AM
Although I tried it with a PSX Dual Shock, and a PSOne Dual Shock, and even a crappy third party PSX analog controller, and none of them worked with the GameBoy Player. I'm hoping to try it with one of those old official non-analog PSX controllers by tomorrow. I guess trying the PS2 controller would probably be pointless.
You didn't have to do anything special to get it to work?
And/or, were you using the original Nyko brand PlayCube, or one of the others, like the "Cube JoyBox"?
Post by: darknight06 on August 09, 2003, 05:53:38 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on August 09, 2003, 12:46:28 PM
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Do you have a launch Gamecube or one of the newer ones?
I think I got mine right after the first price cut. "Near launch" compared to ones coming out now, but not exactly the first batch. I got my GameBoy Player at launch though.
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I can tell you from experience though that non-analog PSX controller does not work with the PlayCube at all.
That's weird. I'd think that less features would give it less to conflict with.
It makes me think that it could be just one particular run of the Dual Shock controllers that's working. My "PSX" Dual Shock is one of the grey ones from shortly before the switch to the "PSOne" design (after Sony removed that port on the back of the PSX), and my "PSOne" Dual Shock is the white controller that came with the PSOne, which I got shortly after it launched.
I know where I can borrow a really early model Dual Shock, so I'll try that one too.
Post by: darknight06 on August 10, 2003, 02:25:01 PM
Post by: darknight06 on August 10, 2003, 02:33:06 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on August 10, 2003, 08:12:07 PM
This second one does appear to work perfectly with the GameBoy Player!
Here, I'll go into detail.
This is the first PlayCube I found.
I doesn't seem to work with the GBP at all (although I haven't gotten my hands on my brother's early-model Dual Shock yet, but I don't think that'll matter anymore).
When you turn on the GameCube with the GBP and a Dual Shock attached through this one, the "analog" light turns on instantly, but when you get to the "GameBoy Player" screen (right before your GBA game boots up), the light shuts off. You can turn it back on if you like, but it won't do you any good. Nothing at all works.
The light doesn't shut off if you're playing an average GameCube game, and it works on them just fine, in case anyone was wondering.
This is the second PlayCube I found.
When you turn the GameCube on with a Dual Shock and this PlayCube, the light on your Dual Shock will be off. And it won't turn on automatically. And none of the buttons work (analog or digital).
When you do turn on the analog, the sticks are completely miscalibrated. All of the digital functions work, but the analog stuff messes with your controls. This seems to be a problem localized in the PlayCube, because when I unplug the Dual Shock from the PlayCube "in-game", Samus keeps running around in circles. She stops abruptly if you unplug a normal GCN controller while you're playing. So it's gotta be the PlayCube itself that's still sending signals.
You can fix this by simply recalibrating the analogs. Press down X, Y, and Start (or rather, Triangle, Circle, and Start, since you should be using a Dual Shock), and hold them down for at least three seconds.
Once you do that, this PlayCube works perfectly. On a GameCube game, or the GameBoy Player.
By the way, it seems that sometimes when you turn on the GameCube with the "PlayCube #2", the Dual Shock's light will turn on instantly, and it will remember your analog recalibration. This doesn't seem to be a problem, and the light won't turn off when you hit the GameBoy Player screen. I'm not enough of a techie to know why that is or what it means, or why the "PlayCube #1" doesn't work, but it might be of some use to someone.
Or at least, that's how it's working for me. Any feedback from anyone else about what type of PlayCube they have, or if anyone has gotten anything else like the "Cube JoyBox" to work would probably be a good idea.
Post by: ruby_onix on August 10, 2003, 08:19:28 PM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
Keep in mind that most cube games do use the analog sticks, which is probably why the original pads don't work with it.
Except that the Hori Pad (the SNES replica looking GameCube controller) apparently works perfectly on the GameBoy Player, and has no analog sticks or buttons.
Which was why I was hoping that the old non-analog PSX controllers could somehow be made to work with the GameBoy Player.
But, as I just mentioned, you have to turn on the analog on the Dual Shock before anything works (at least with mine), which is really weird, but is probably why the non-analog won't work.
Post by: darknight06 on August 11, 2003, 02:20:34 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on August 11, 2003, 05:01:33 PM
I hope so, because if you've got the "PlayCube 1" (the squared one with the purple rectanglular thingy in the middle), then trying to figure out which ones work will get a lot more complicated...
Post by: ruby_onix on August 11, 2003, 05:34:42 PM
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About the analog stick calibration for the other games, it seems a bit dodgy. It seems to work fine as long as you're controlling something on screen but it becomes an issue when you try to stay still onscreen. It has a bad habit of continuing to move the onscreen object in the last direction you pushed the stick in which in turn will probably mean re-calibration. Funny thing is not all games do this, and from what i've seen the GBPlayer doesn't do this either.
Yeah, the PlayCube (either version) with a Dual Shock (I haven't tried the Dual Shock 2 much) seems really sensitive.
For me, I can have the analogs properly recalibrated at center, then I move forward, but when I let go of the stick it bounces back a little too far and I end up slowly moving backward. Then I can even try walking backward intentionally, and let go of the stick, and it bounces back too far again, and I find myself walking forward slowly. The Sony analogs just don't seem to center themselves when you're done as nicely as Nintendo ones do.
But, if you try to play the digital-control based GameBoy games on the GBP using the analog stick of the GameCube controller, you find that you have to move the stick a fair bit before it realizes that you moved it.
The GameBoy Player ignores most of the sensitivity levels of the analogs, and treats them like digital. So the Dual Shock analogs are fine with the GameBoy Player, and don't cause a problem, unless they're horribly mis-calibrated.
By the way, I've tried a third party "dual analog" style PSX controller on the GBP with the PlayCube, and it works just like the Sony-brand ones. Aside from the natural suckyness of most third party products.
So if you don't have a PSOne, and are thinking about getting the PlayCube now, but you're afraid of the still-high prices of the official Dual Shocks (or you just don't want to support Sony), you can feel free to pick up that $0.99 PSX controller in that bargain bin that you're looking at. Just make sure that it has analog, and doesn't look like it'll give you muscle cramps.
Post by: darknight06 on August 11, 2003, 06:15:44 PM
Post by: UncleBob on June 14, 2008, 12:16:00 AM
Kinda... I discovered today something that was, apparently, known by a few people. Some original Game Boy games were programmed with some special features for use with the Super Game Boy.
In direct contrast to claims made earlier in this post, there were a few games that were programmed with the ability to use more than one controller. In fact, Bomberman GB and Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman can use the Super Nintendo Multi-tap for four-player action. (the only other two games that I can find information as to using more than one controller on the SNES are Street Fighter II and Killer Instinct. I just bought these off of eBay to check them out...)
So, ideally, it'd be completely possible to program a GBA game to interact with the GameBoy Player in a way that one system could do multi-player play.
Oh, bump.
Post by: Dasmos on June 14, 2008, 07:38:02 AM
actually probably not, perm's bumps are pretty bad
Post by: UncleBob on June 14, 2008, 09:30:30 AM
Reading all the people who completely nay-sayed the idea of special code being programed into Game Boy Games that could only be accessed on the Game Boy Player gave me a chuckle, since it was done with the SGB...
