Post by: NNCubed on June 19, 2003, 07:55:09 AM
"Gamefront reports that Mario 128's developement concentrates on new ideas which haven't been done before. This is the reason that no actual footage was shown at this year's E3; they feared that their ideas would be stolen.
The work on a Gamecube successor is on course and Nintendo is in contact with many software producers. Nintendo is making improvements ideas and taking criticism opinions to ensure that it will take the lead in the next console war."
On GC2, very interesting. Looks like Nintendo is pretty serious about this next gen., throwing in ALOT of their 6 Bill $ chest, and talks with devs. What do u guys think about Nintendos planning and attitude?
Post by: Tekkena on June 19, 2003, 08:11:48 AM
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Post by: Grey Ninja on June 19, 2003, 09:59:13 AM
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Doesn't Nintendo use the "we don't want people to steal our ideas" excuse EVERY time they're asked why they didn't show a game. I believe they said that for LUIGI'S MANSION as if that was some super secret change-the-industry-forever title. That doesn't necessarily mean anything.
And Luigi's Mansion WASN'T something new and innovative?
Post by: PIAC on June 19, 2003, 10:13:42 AM
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Doesn't Nintendo use the "we don't want people to steal our ideas" excuse EVERY time they're asked why they didn't show a game. I believe they said that for LUIGI'S MANSION as if that was some super secret change-the-industry-forever title. That doesn't necessarily mean anything.
it may be unrelated, but which came out first Luigi's Mansion or Blinx..
good news though ^_^
Post by: vudu on June 19, 2003, 10:53:49 AM
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it may be unrelated, but which came out first Luigi's Mansion or Blinx.
luigi's mansion came out first.
and it is unrelated.
nice try though.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 19, 2003, 11:21:54 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 19, 2003, 11:29:04 AM
Technically it was but it certainly wasn't anything that needed to be kept all hush hush or anything. It certainly didn't have any ideas in it that had they been stolen would have completely screwed Nintendo over. I used it as an example because Nintendo made a big deal about all of their Cube launch titles and aside from Pikmin none of them were anything that required that much secrecy.
I'm just saying that what Nintendo deems as "so innovative we can't let anyone steal it" usually isn't a amazing as they say it is.
Post by: Michael8983 on June 19, 2003, 01:05:33 PM
If it can get these leading developers to fully support the console from the start, the rest of the third-party developers will follow like sheep.
As for Mario 128. My guess is it will be a linear 3D platform game with really unique level design. This would give Nintendo a chance to really concentrate on the classic Mario style gameplay.
Post by: rpglover on June 19, 2003, 01:57:24 PM
the game was probably made in a few months time- nintendo didnt show it because there was nothing to show but a tech demo
it was a fun title that ultimately was short because of the time spent on it
i am liking how nintendo is working this generation though- they have good third party support back (capcom, sega, konami, square enix) and i think these relationships should hold up into the new console launch
and i cant wait to see mario 128 in action- it should prove to be the mario game we all have been longing for
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 19, 2003, 03:24:15 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 19, 2003, 04:01:03 PM
Luigi's mansion did progress to a point where it was a decent first generation game effort for the gamecube. I hope they use the controller set up again.
Post by: kennyb27 on June 19, 2003, 05:13:32 PM
And I think we all know Nintendo likes to keep their projects secret. This is nothing new. They will show it when they decide the time is right. And when has Nintendo led us wrong with this theory?
As for the GCN successor, I can't wait, I think Nintendo will show the desire they still have.
Post by: joeamis on June 19, 2003, 08:35:17 PM
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it may be unrelated, but which came out first Luigi's Mansion or Blinx.
luigi's mansion came out first.
and it is unrelated.
nice try though.
If I'm not mistaken didn't Blinx the Timesweeper also use a vacuum? I'm almost 100% positive it did... makes sense calling it the TimeSWEEPER... (i.e. stole idea from Nintendo)
Post by: CHEN on June 20, 2003, 02:14:09 AM
Hope they launch their Gamecube successor BEFORE the competition, as if they haven't learned it from the N64 and the GC.
Post by: vudu on June 20, 2003, 08:04:08 AM
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If I'm not mistaken didn't Blinx the Timesweeper also use a vacuum? I'm almost 100% positive it did... makes sense calling it the TimeSWEEPER... (i.e. stole idea from Nintendo)
you're right...blinx did use a vacuum. but that doesn't mean it's related.
marge used a vacuum in the simpsons arcade game. but i wouldn't declare that it's related to either luigi's mansion or blinx.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on June 20, 2003, 09:44:08 AM
Since its status is very unclear, SK are working on MGS and always seem very evasive regarding Too Human questions, only saying its not cancelled. Wouldnt it also be stupid releasing the GCN biggest Hit at the end of the GCN lifespan?
Dont you think its atleast possible, that SK are pushing back their biggest project to finally perfect it for the ultimate system, with the most impressive graphics, as a launchtitle for a new system. Im telling you, if Too Human is as good as its sounds, and would be released as a polished launch title for GCN 2(among other great ones) , that may be Nintendos chance to win back their crown.
Please dont forget this is merely speculation so dont accuse me of stupidity or wierd sexual preferences.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 20, 2003, 11:05:31 AM
That's pretty exactly like the Halo situation and that certainly paid off for Microsoft. A big killer app can really start a new console on the right course. Of course in order for it to work Too Human has be a. hyped up beyond belief with not just Nintendo fans but EVERYONE and b. the game has to hold up to that hype and actually be a whomp-ass game. If Nintendo wants to do that though they have to be planning that now. If Nintendo switchs Too Human's console at the last minute like they did with ED then SK will never have the game done in time. The game has be planned for the launch from the get-go. When the "Gamecube 2" is first shown to the press Too Human has to be alongside it. It has to be synonymous with the launch like Halo was with Xbox.
Though Too Human wouldn't exactly sell Nintendo consoles in Japan would it? Maybe have both that and Mario? Now I'm started to get excited about sh!t I made up!
Post by: joeamis on June 20, 2003, 01:36:42 PM
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If I'm not mistaken didn't Blinx the Timesweeper also use a vacuum? I'm almost 100% positive it did... makes sense calling it the TimeSWEEPER... (i.e. stole idea from Nintendo)
you're right...blinx did use a vacuum. but that doesn't mean it's related.
marge used a vacuum in the simpsons arcade game. but i wouldn't declare that it's related to either luigi's mansion or blinx.
The Simpsons arcade game came out like 10 years ago... and Marge did not use the vacuum to suck things up, she just used it to hit people with it... ofcourse that's not related to luigi's mansion or blinx...
as far as blinx being related to luigis mansion it is related. Blinx came out about a year after Luigis mansion did, and they both use the sucking power of the vacuum. Games that come out a year after another one usually rip ideas from the earlier game, just look at GTA3 and The Getaway, or Midnight Club 2 and Need for Speed Underground, etc etc.
Post by: joeamis on June 20, 2003, 01:41:21 PM
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BTW, has any of you ever considered that SK (and probably Nintendos) biggest Hit ever, maybe the best game ever Too Human might be pushed back for GCN 2?
Since its status is very unclear, SK are working on MGS and always seem very evasive regarding Too Human questions, only saying its not cancelled. Wouldnt it also be stupid releasing the GCN biggest Hit at the end of the GCN lifespan?
It would not be stupid at all to release the GC biggest hit at the end of it's lifespan... They would sell alot more games because the user base is so much larger. Just look at the past... the SNES received Yoshi's Island, Killer Instinct, and the Donkey Kong Country series at the end of its life cycle. The Saturn recieved Burning Rangers, the N64 recieved Perfect Dark at the end...
So by releasing games at the end, they sell more, and in turn build up hype to carry them into the next generation
Post by: Ian Sane on June 20, 2003, 02:39:13 PM
I don't recall Burning Rangers being a smash hit or anything and Perfect Dark sold quite poorly compared to Goldeneye which it was essentially a sequel to. When PD was released people had lost interest in the N64 so PD didn't sell as well. With the N64 the earlier games usually were the bigger sellers (Mario 64, Mario Kart, Star Fox, Goldeneye). The SNES is different because it was a very dominating system and was very popular towards the end. The Gamecube is in a situation where nothing really sells that great so in many ways a major title would probably have a higher chance of being successful on a new console. Launch titles usually sell a lot better than they would if they were released later on when the amount of game choices is greater.
Post by: Mario on June 20, 2003, 07:25:46 PM
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The work on a Gamecube successor is on course and Nintendo is in contact with many software producers. Nintendo is making improvements ideas and taking criticism opinions to ensure that it will take the lead in the next console war."
Best. News. Ever.
Post by: Darc Requiem on June 20, 2003, 11:28:09 PM
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Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 21, 2003, 07:29:49 AM
IGN has recently reported the same exact info too, seems like that Japanese magazine is reliable. I really hope this new idea is innovative, but I'm not getting my hopes set too high.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on June 21, 2003, 07:56:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Hemmorrhoid
BTW, has any of you ever considered that SK (and probably Nintendos) biggest Hit ever, maybe the best game ever Too Human might be pushed back for GCN 2?
Since its status is very unclear, SK are working on MGS and always seem very evasive regarding Too Human questions, only saying its not cancelled. Wouldnt it also be stupid releasing the GCN biggest Hit at the end of the GCN lifespan?
It would not be stupid at all to release the GC biggest hit at the end of it's lifespan... They would sell alot more games because the user base is so much larger. Just look at the past... the SNES received Yoshi's Island, Killer Instinct, and the Donkey Kong Country series at the end of its life cycle. The Saturn recieved Burning Rangers, the N64 recieved Perfect Dark at the end...
So by releasing games at the end, they sell more, and in turn build up hype to carry them into the next generation
Well, its really hard to make guesses about such delicate issues, but I believe they will be much better of with releasing this game for GCN2. Imagine Conker was released for GCN as a release game, that would have owned Xbox and Halo.
ANd when you say that a game released on a new system with no user base sells less than on the dyings plattform MAX userbase is wrong. Because a game of Too Humans (hopeful quality) should be selling for ever. Halo still has great sales now because every new Xbox owner buys it(because its one of the best games).
Post by: NNCubed on June 21, 2003, 01:39:28 PM
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Well my biggest concern is something that no one seems to be mentioning....ATI. All signs point to ATI providing the GPU for both the GC2 and X-box 2. I see that as a big conflict of interest from a hardware standpoint. I don't know how ATI can balance supplying two different GPU's to two different competing consoles. If either console gets the better GPU, I'm sure there would be some sort of backlash. Also both competitors would be able to find out what the other is planning from a hardware standpoint more easily. There could be some potention benefits but the negatives outweigh the positives in my opinion. Well giving each companies history....I would think Nintendo would end up with the better chip. MS is more like to go with a slightly customize version of ATI's latest Radeon while Nintendo likes to have have custom hardware. Of course I could be seeing to much into this. I mean the SNES and Genesis both had Motorola CPUs(SNES has a 65536? and Genesis had a 68000). The PS1 and N64 both had MIPS based CPU's(PS had a R3000a and N64 has a R4300i)...but I don't know it still makes me uneasy. What do you guys think?
Darc Requiem
I doubt it would make any difference. You're right about MS would probly go with a stock R420/500 while Nintendo (which has much closer ties with ATi AND ArtX) would probly go with a customized R420/500 chip; as well as Nintendos own Hardware engineers would probly be involved as well. So i doubt thered be any stealign of ideas, as Im sure there would be contracts and all kinds of high-profile agreements going on between Nintendo/ATi and MS/ATi.
Post by: Joshtheleo on June 21, 2003, 02:47:55 PM
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Post by: BlkPaladin on June 21, 2003, 09:01:08 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on June 21, 2003, 09:11:16 PM
The past? well right now Nintendo needs to fix its image equal to Sega.... Sega was seen as a faliure, nintendo is seen as for kids... Nintendo could do well by looking at its former rival Sega to know what not to do
Post by: Mario on June 21, 2003, 09:27:04 PM
Post by: Ninja X on June 22, 2003, 06:29:44 AM
But anyway, good news. Nintendo's working hard to deliver a console for its third-parties as well as its own development teams. Nice.
And why do some people assume Too Human is the second coming?
Post by: Darc Requiem on June 22, 2003, 10:34:57 AM
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The 04 date is a rumor from EGM
The past? well right now Nintendo needs to fix its image equal to Sega.... Sega was seen as a faliure, nintendo is seen as for kids... Nintendo could do well by looking at its former rival Sega to know what not to do
Nintendo is not in the same predicament Sega was. If Sega had the money that Nintendo had when they launched the DC, they'd still be in the hardware business. Sega's debt caused three problems for the DC. The hardware specs were cut down to save cost. While the DC still would have been outgunned by current consoles the gap would have been smalled. The DC had 16MB RAM, 8MB of VRAM and 2MB of Sound RAM, with 1 Power VR2 GPU pushing 3 to 4 million polygons. Original specs for DC 32MB RAM, 16MB of VRAM, 2MB of Sound RAM, with 2 Power VR GPUs running in synchronous pushing 7 to 10 million polygons. The couldn't afford to buy exclusives like MS, Sony, and even now Nintendo is doing. They couldn't afford the constant advertising blitz necessary to keep the DC in the minds of gamers. Sega decided to can the DC before the GC and X-box launched not because of hardware sales but because they just ran out of money and they knew it was going to take even more capital to compete with not just one but three competitors.
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