Post by: Grey Ninja on June 16, 2003, 08:17:38 AM
I saw this one coming though. A freeware GCN dev kit was released recently, and someone had managed to get homebrew code running on a GameCube, although nobody is talking about HOW it was done yet. Supposedly though, I will need to buy a broadband adaptor soon.
The problem is that with every good comes the bad. Piracy is finally going to rear it's ugly head on the GameCube. It will sell lots more consoles I am sure, but I am afraid that in many 3rd world countries, this is going to be like opening the flood gates.
Anyways, I trust that you all will continue to buy your games legally?
PS: Forgot the link
Post by: Uglydot on June 16, 2003, 08:29:20 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 16, 2003, 08:38:44 AM
It will probably be a problem in some other countries but usually in those countries Nintendo doesn't sell many games in the first place so it's not like lost revenue or anything. Nintendo really only loses money if piracy becomes a big deal in the major markets like America, Europe or Japan.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 16, 2003, 08:42:14 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 16, 2003, 09:02:05 AM
Post by: OsonCubed320 on June 16, 2003, 09:09:56 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 16, 2003, 09:14:18 AM
Unlike stealing music, stealing console games is a much more difficult process, too difficult and or bothersome for the average consumer to bother with.
At ht e end of the day I could care less either way as it really doesnt affect me.
Post by: JB on June 16, 2003, 09:35:13 AM
Post by: Kyosho on June 16, 2003, 10:02:51 AM
Look at Ps2 and Xbox piracy. Ps2 games need a DVD burner which most people do not have. Xbox on the other hand is basically a PC so you can buy another hard drive and store all the games on it. However, this comes at a price, risk, and hassle which I think most people are not willing to take.
If this piracy falls through, I'll still be a strong supporter of Nintendo (part of the reason is cuz I want the box
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Post by: ReallyScrued on June 16, 2003, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: JB on June 16, 2003, 11:37:12 AM
Post by: AgentSeven on June 16, 2003, 11:59:47 AM
By the way, just in case you were wondering, I do not condone Video Game Piracy in any way. It destroys the industry.
So, again, GameCube HAS NOT BEEN HACKED. They just dumped some data from a disc, thats all. Nothing even remotely playable, and according to the guys who did the dump, it wont be playable anytime soon.
Post by: Frodo Fett on June 16, 2003, 12:13:28 PM
Post by: AERO on June 16, 2003, 12:34:59 PM
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you people are being wayyyyyyyy to positive of this. 50% of all xboxes have owners who added a hard drive for copying games for. starcube is being smart by not letting this out. REmeber the DC? piracy never hurt a system? plz.
1. 50% is waaay off. Generously, I would say no more then 15-20%. Did you decide to make this up for shock factor?
2. I think people did remember the dc. It has already been brought up. Have you read this topic?
Post by: CHEN on June 16, 2003, 12:51:18 PM
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Originally posted by: ReallyScrued
Sony has a market of all electronics, they can survive, microsoft can lose money for 100 years and still not go bankrupt, but i hate to say it, SEGA and Nintendo dont have enough money for this to happen to them. THIS SUX I WANT NINTENDO TO LIVE. this really isnt funny, look at all the possibilities, all of a sudden kazaa has GAMECUBE ISO'S all over it. IF SOMEONE CAN DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND PUT IT ON A CD, THEN U CAN DOWNLOAD AN ISO AND PLAY IT. provided u connected the gamecube up to ur computer and tinkered with the BIOS. it gonna be ez enough for people to want to learn to save enough on a game. im out, sry for being so negative, but gotta admit, this is not good......RIP SEGA
You're way exaggerating, although M$ has a lot of money, it's still a company. And I don't think it's even possible what you've just said. Nintendo is the only manufacturer of the GC disc and it will stay that way until at least the end of the GC2 which is rumoured to also use these discs.
If ,and that's a big if, you can download data from the internet, it would take VERY long, I don't think people are willing to do it.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 16, 2003, 12:59:41 PM
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Originally posted by: AgentSeven
Wait a minute. GameCube has NOT been hacked. All these guys did was to dump the information from a disc. You can't burn the data to a disc, and you can't play it on any GameCube machine. I would post a link providing proof to this, but unfortunately, my info comes from a very respectible Warez Source.
By the way, just in case you were wondering, I do not condone Video Game Piracy in any way. It destroys the industry.
So, again, GameCube HAS NOT BEEN HACKED. They just dumped some data from a disc, thats all. Nothing even remotely playable, and according to the guys who did the dump, it wont be playable anytime soon.
Here's what I know about it.
Readable data from a GOD has been extracted. Proof is no further than looking up the Ocarina of Time: Master Quest ROM for N64. The ROM came from the GameCube disc. This news just confirms it. The ISO for Wind Waker is floating around out there somewhere, but I can't be arsed to find it to be perfectly honest.
Nobody has yet found a way to force the GameCube to play a backup. However, small bits of homebrew code have been successfully run on the GameCube using a trick on PSO.
At this point, the groundwork for making GCN backups playable is done. At this point, it's just a matter of dissassembling the code, and figuring out how it all works until a magic "key" is found. When that time comes, a GameCube modchip is released, and all the 3rd world countries start selling DVDRs in stores with GameCube game burnt on them.
The GameCube itself might still be hack free, but the discs have been broken.
Post by: Round Eye on June 16, 2003, 01:48:26 PM
Arrrrhhh... Pass me another cabin boy, this one is torn.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 16, 2003, 02:20:46 PM
My friend has an Xbox with an 80GB HDD. HE stores all the games there: the ones he owns, the ones he burned, and the ones he rented from the video store and friends.
On the flip side, he's a rich bugger, and his Dad is stupidly impulsive, and only buys the latest things "cause I can afford to". They moved to Melbourne last year, but then moved back to Sydney simply cause it was too cold.
My uncle (him and my friend's dad are good friends) is also stupidly impulsive. He bought 2 DVD players "cause they were on 'sale', but don't tell the wife", and he's go a 1.2meter rear projection TV, as well as those large cinema-style projector TVs both in the same room. The two of them compete with each other. When one gets the latest thing, the other gets the next latest thing (technology being so fast and all). My uncle got the Nokia with the Camera built in, but then ditched it a week later to get the smaller model with a built in camera. Now he's gonna ditch that to get one of those video mobile phones.
Impulsive?
Stupidly.
Xbox piracy?
Stupid.
Gamecube Piracy?
Don't concern me. GC doesn't have a HDD, nor does it have such large capacity memory cards that you can put whole games onto it.
I think it totally sux how most people don't buy GC cause you can't pirate the games.
PS2 is cool cause it's got 'cool' games, but also cause you can get heaps of games by piracy.
It's not as much as the PSX, but it's still piracy.
Sorry for the rant.
Piracy in consoles pisses me off so much.
I copy PC programs that are extremely high-priced, like Office, and music that I can't get in the stores, like my recent addition, the Spirited Away OST, which I would have had to import.
Post by: Nintega on June 16, 2003, 02:29:38 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on June 16, 2003, 02:38:50 PM
I can't link you to the site where I go the, so-called "ISO", but if you go to a web site called NFOforce, you can read the release information reguarding these fraudulent ISO's.
By the way, pirates are scumbags. Seriously, I only downloaded the ISO because I wanted to see what the truth was concerning the whole "gamecube has been cracked b.s." Piracy destroys the industry we all love so much. Plus it drives up game prices, this is especially true for people living in Europe, as piracy is out of control over there. Also it drives the over all quality of games down. Developers just wont try as hard to make a good game when everyone steals it. Instead we get tons of mindless sequels and other junk.
Post by: Smithy on June 16, 2003, 02:39:40 PM
Nintendo has done an excellent job securing its console from piracy.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 16, 2003, 02:52:59 PM
Post by: DRJ on June 16, 2003, 04:07:00 PM
Also with such a short life span of consoles nowadays by the time people start pirating Gamecube, Gamecube 2 will be out, with a whole new protection setup.
If you really want to pirate something go pirate Playstation 2 and XBox and put them out of business. Leave Nintendo alone.
Post by: AERO on June 16, 2003, 05:28:02 PM
Post by: PIAC on June 16, 2003, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: Tael on June 16, 2003, 06:25:31 PM
QuoteAh, the great myth. Piracy doesn't affect prices at all. If there was a game that could never be pirated, it still wouldn't cost less money. There are so many costs involved in making a game, and not every game can sell 1 million copies worldwide, so the profit (and therefore the price) on each game needs to be high. The reason games cost more in Europe is because prices are based on conservative currency values, so that if a currency drops in value, they'll still be making money.
Originally posted by: AgentSeven
Plus it drives up game prices, this is especially true for people living in Europe, as piracy is out of control over there.
Post by: AgentSeven on June 16, 2003, 06:30:59 PM
However, what I stated about piracy and rising prices is a fact, not a myth. Every dollar that goes into combating piracy is a dollar wasted. Money that could have been spent on game devlopment. Piracy is completely evil. If you ever owned a Dreamcast, you know why. That was a system with more great games than the ps2, yet piracy (among other things) was one of the main factors involved in it's demise.
Post by: Kyosho on June 16, 2003, 06:50:14 PM
The Wind Waker ISO itself is the game ripped of its raw data. It cant run on a Gamecube (yet) because of the amount of trash on it. They released the ISO to see if anyone else wanted to tackle the code to try to get it to run. If anything, it will take them a while to figure it out, and I severely doubt it will affect sales drastically. Who here wants to buy another burner for their PC at the expense of 200-300$? I'm a casual gamer, and I see no need to fork over 300$, when I buy at most 3 games in a span of 6 months.
Post by: deminisma on June 16, 2003, 07:30:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Kyosho
i dont know about piracy being Dreamcast demise, but I remember a lot of the games that came out for the DC simply sucked or did not have much depth to it.
Did you own a Dreamcast? No. Then STFU, as the above statement is ridiculously misinformed.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 16, 2003, 07:52:58 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 16, 2003, 07:56:36 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 16, 2003, 08:10:36 PM
Post by: StRaNgE on June 16, 2003, 08:11:08 PM
Post by: Tael on June 16, 2003, 08:31:46 PM
QuoteNo, inflation is a fact (one you seem to be ignoring).
Originally posted by: AgentSeven
However, what I stated about piracy and rising prices is a fact, not a myth.
Post by: Kyosho on June 16, 2003, 08:44:07 PM
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Did you own a Dreamcast? No. Then STFU, as the above statement is ridiculously misinformed.
On the contrary, yes I own a Dreamcast since it was 150$ not when it was $50, so STFU before you put words in my mouth. I played 99% of the library already. Only few were worth owning including the Capcom & Sega Sports games.
Post by: oohhboy on June 16, 2003, 09:04:43 PM
So far only a data dump has happened and the dump includes all the grabage that is used for copy-protection.
The GC GODS themselfs can't be copied by anyone else. They are modified DVDs which even though is smaller, has a higher data desity than that of normal DVDs. They are also written backwards and the first layer of the disc contains no data but grabage. The special equipment needed can't be brought and even if it could, not in large quantities needed for it to be profitable. Also you still need the discs or the equipment the make the discs. You could make custom burners, but then how many could you make for it to become profitable?
This is probaly why the Q was released in such limited quantities and never in the US. The likely hood of using DVDs to store the game is high. But it presents it's own techincal problems. Things like dynamic loading done in Metroid Prime may crash the game making it unplayable because a DVD can not emulte a GOD properly. Simply put it the game code itself may provide some natural resistance to priacy.
The point is GODs are very different for DVDs and would require alot of extra RnD to get it to work, let alone ecnomical.
In all its glory, the GC has "NOT" be hacked in term that there will be a piracy armagedon or something. It is just a bunch of guys who have managed to extract data from a GOD with the grabage on it. This thread is done.
Post by: deminisma on June 16, 2003, 09:48:03 PM
Post by: PIAC on June 16, 2003, 10:08:48 PM
either way oohhboy has pretty much wraped things up
hehehe nice ban Johnny
Post by: Kyosho on June 16, 2003, 10:21:52 PM
As for the rest, Ohhhboy pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Post by: ThePerm on June 16, 2003, 11:24:05 PM
Post by: Tael on June 17, 2003, 12:00:09 AM
QuoteYeah, it was awesome, if you forget the bad games that it had.
Originally posted by: ThePerm
i knew when he threw the stfus out he wouldnt last long....oh well he was right..dreamcast was awesome.
Post by: JB on June 17, 2003, 02:26:27 AM
Post by: GaimeGuy on June 17, 2003, 03:40:27 AM
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 17, 2003, 04:56:35 AM
But how they got it I have no clue. They were probably able to rip the rom out of it (But I'm sure its not the same 'file type' as on the disc.
Here, have a link http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?s=239b740a369cd1c083d9073ec5248d05&threadid=13796
Yes, its a site on emulation, but theres no roms so I'm not breaking the rules.
Post by: GaimeGuy on June 17, 2003, 06:27:45 AM
Post by: JB on June 17, 2003, 06:29:28 AM
Post by: JB on June 17, 2003, 06:34:45 AM
Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 17, 2003, 07:11:48 AM
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50% of all xboxes have owners who added a hard drive for copying games for.
LMAO, a slight exageration I would think. If you are going to talk such rediculous numbers please provide a link in the future.
I would guess the number is way lower, somewhere in the neighbourhood of 5%, if that even, most people couldnt be bothered, especially givin the X-box's main age group.
As for piracy in general, I could care less if people can copy games, they do it with music, they do it with movies, satallite TV, and regardless of what anyone does to try and stop it, it will still happen.
Would I buy pirated games if I had the chance. YES I would. I owe nothing to Nintendo, Sony or MS, If can save a few bucks instead of buying inflated retail prices, then hooray for me.
To everyone who is so dead againt this, I ask a simple question:
Do you have any downloaded music, or software on your PC that you didnt pay for?
Post by: dafunkk12 on June 17, 2003, 08:13:35 AM
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 17, 2003, 08:41:31 AM
Either way I dont think this was ever released anywhere. Didnt Miyamoto say this?
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 17, 2003, 12:09:21 PM
It seems to me that the most likely way of running a GameCube ISO would be to stream the ISO through the broadband adaptor.
Yesterday a tool for amateur GCN Developers was released that allows a person to run their own code through the broadband adaptor. It does not support GCN ISOs, but I attribute that mainly to the general integrity of homebrew developers. I am sure that at some point, some disreputable person is going to release a version that DOES support a GCN ISO.
I think that within a month, backups will be playable on GameCube. The hardest step is past.
Post by: ssj4_android on June 17, 2003, 03:43:13 PM
Post by: Smithy on June 17, 2003, 07:06:26 PM
I have also heard that people using the PSO trick have been able to successfully load up the Action Replay and play around with that.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 17, 2003, 09:06:23 PM
These things won't make much of a dent ot GC for two reasons. It is one hell of a hassle and a risky one. Two, pirating optical discs is much more difficult than normal CD's and dVD's.
Post by: joeamis on June 17, 2003, 10:09:18 PM
However I don't remember if it was released in cartridge format or disc format for the 64DD.
On another note, I have to say I read all the posts in this thread and it is some of the most
intelligent, insightful posts I've seen on Planetgamecube forums yet...
Post by: Tael on June 17, 2003, 10:13:38 PM
Post by: joeamis on June 17, 2003, 10:39:04 PM
released for the N64 in JAPAN! PLEASE DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS!!!
Post by: Tael on June 17, 2003, 10:48:09 PM
Post by: joeamis on June 17, 2003, 10:55:01 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 18, 2003, 12:00:32 AM
Post by: Uglydot on June 18, 2003, 01:47:10 AM
Post by: JB on June 18, 2003, 02:00:02 AM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
I'm not stating that the rom is from the N64 version, I'm ONLY stating that the Master Quest was
released for the N64 in JAPAN! PLEASE DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS!!!
Master Quest was NOT released for the N64 in Japan. It was developed as a 64DD add-on to Ocarina of Time. After the 64DD flopped the decision was made to not release it. Read this and this if you don't believe me.
Post by: CHEN on June 18, 2003, 05:51:10 AM
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Originally posted by: TaelQuoteAh, the great myth. Piracy doesn't affect prices at all. If there was a game that could never be pirated, it still wouldn't cost less money. There are so many costs involved in making a game, and not every game can sell 1 million copies worldwide, so the profit (and therefore the price) on each game needs to be high. The reason games cost more in Europe is because prices are based on conservative currency values, so that if a currency drops in value, they'll still be making money.
Originally posted by: AgentSeven
Plus it drives up game prices, this is especially true for people living in Europe, as piracy is out of control over there.
Aha, so that's why it's more expensive here in Europe, but
compared to the US of $50 per game and Europe's €60 per game means they make an average of €10 profit per game. Now that's a little too much for what you've just mentioned.
And the euro has increased it's value compared to the US dollar in the past months. So I think it's unfair that they charge this much.
I mean are shipping costs per game really €10,-
Sorry for being off-topic, but I would like to know why they (not only Nintendo, but Sony and MS as well) charge that much compared to the US.
Post by: JB on June 18, 2003, 06:41:46 AM
Post by: SPTerminal on June 18, 2003, 10:12:03 AM
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Post by: ssj4_android on June 18, 2003, 03:04:15 PM
Post by: JB on June 19, 2003, 02:00:44 AM
Post by: joeamis on June 19, 2003, 10:05:23 PM
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Originally posted by: CHEN
Aha, so that's why it's more expensive here in Europe, but
compared to the US of $50 per game and Europe's €60 per game means they make an average of €10 profit per game. Now that's a little too much for what you've just mentioned.
And the euro has increased it's value compared to the US dollar in the past months. So I think it's unfair that they charge this much.
I mean are shipping costs per game really €10,-
Sorry for being off-topic, but I would like to know why they (not only Nintendo, but Sony and MS as well) charge that much compared to the US.
maybe games are more expensive in Europe because they have to change them to PAL?
Ok, you guys are right, Ura Zelda never released for N64 or the 64DD,
I didn't hear that it was released from someone, I read it in a magazine and online that it had been... I now know those sources were wrong, thanks for letting me know guys
Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 20, 2003, 02:09:21 AM
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Sorry for being off-topic, but I would like to know why they (not only Nintendo, but Sony and MS as well) charge that much compared to the US.
Why does a can of freaking coke cost $2 US in Europe. I was in Ireland, England, Denmark and Germany last year and couldnt believe the price of anything overthere. So comparatively, games are cheap.
Post by: CHEN on June 20, 2003, 05:14:36 AM
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