Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on October 21, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
A fix is on the way, but for now, players are advised to check Nintendo's guide to bypass this glitch.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/35773
Nintendo has acknowledged that there is a save data corruption bug in Pokémon X and Pokémon Y and is currently preparing a solution for it.
Many reports have appeared online since the game's worldwide launch on October 12 from players who were experiencing issues upon loading their file after saving their progress in Lumiose City. The glitch will cause the game to not respond to any control input once it has been reloaded.
A free application will be released on the Nintendo 3DS eShop in the near future that will allow players to recover their game data. In the meantime, Nintendo has published a detailed diagram on how the glitch can be avoided, which is shown below.
Post by: pokepal148 on October 21, 2013, 05:33:56 PM
All jokes aside it's a good thing they addressed this problem but what about that save ID issue animal crossing has had?
Post by: Ian Sane on October 21, 2013, 07:42:06 PM
Skyward Sword had an issue like this as well but I really can't say that Nintendo has slacked off on their QA. I can't specifically call them out anyway as consoles devs in general have slacked off now that they have the ability to patch their games. That functionality is nice for fixing bugs but when there was no way to fix console game bugs we didn't seem to have as many bugs to fix. Ironically the mechanism to fix bugs has made console games more buggy.
But that everyone doing it is a weak excuse. The whole industry should get better at this, Nintendo included.
Post by: alegoicoe on October 21, 2013, 08:22:50 PM
Post by: ClexYoshi on October 22, 2013, 07:37:26 AM
What I would like to talk about though is just how much the optimization is in this game and how rushed it feels in some regards.
The frame rate in this game tends to take sharp dives all over the place. I actually use full-on 3D during super training because the game chugs and it's like getting free bullet time. Any time a pokemon battle goes to that cutaway where it shows both pokemon from the front, it again dips. certain pokemon cause more frame rate choppiness then others. this all gets enhanced whenever you have 3D on. Between this, the relatively small roster of new pokemon, and the odd way the game handles the stereoscopic effect and when it seems to be able to be turned on and off, I think this game miiight have been a tad bit on the rushed side to garner some quick dosh.
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2013, 10:27:15 AM
When I found out about this I had last saved in Lumiose but I had saved in the Pokémon Center so I dodged a bullet there.
Skyward Sword had an issue like this as well but I really can't say that Game Freak has slacked off on their QA. I can't specifically call them out anyway as consoles devs in general have slacked off now that they have the ability to patch their games. That functionality is nice for fixing bugs but when there was no way to fix console game bugs we didn't seem to have as many bugs to fix. Ironically the mechanism to fix bugs has made console games more buggy.
But that everyone doing it is a weak excuse. The whole industry should get better at this, Game Freak included.
For the last fucking time, you are getting the wrong devs here.
Post by: nickmitch on October 22, 2013, 10:32:08 AM
Glad to know Nintendo is on it. I hope the game itself can be patched and the app is just to get the save data back.
Post by: broodwars on October 22, 2013, 11:49:09 AM
When I found out about this I had last saved in Lumiose but I had saved in the Pokémon Center so I dodged a bullet there.
Skyward Sword had an issue like this as well but I really can't say that Game Freak has slacked off on their QA. I can't specifically call them out anyway as consoles devs in general have slacked off now that they have the ability to patch their games. That functionality is nice for fixing bugs but when there was no way to fix console game bugs we didn't seem to have as many bugs to fix. Ironically the mechanism to fix bugs has made console games more buggy.
But that everyone doing it is a weak excuse. The whole industry should get better at this, Game Freak included.
For the last fucking time, you are getting the wrong devs here.
This is a Nintendo game, and I know from personal experience that Nintendo has
Post by: Ian Sane on October 22, 2013, 01:17:46 PM
Besides it isn't like the dev can leave in all the bugs they want and the publisher is powerless to stop it. Ultimately every game published by Nintendo has to have gotten their okay.
Post by: Ceric on October 22, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 22, 2013, 02:00:16 PM
What makes it worse is that by my understanding that is someplace you have to come back to multiple times. You think a tester or 20 would have ran into it.
Testers don't play the game like a normal player would so they wouldn't be returning to that one area again and again and probably wouldn't save as frequently as a real player. There also might be certain conditions like what Pokémon you have or your outfit or if you're online or whatever. I don't think it's as simple as "save here and it fucks up".
Post by: Ceric on October 22, 2013, 02:09:21 PM
Stand by my statement. If you know players are going to be their a lot it should get tested a lot.What makes it worse is that by my understanding that is someplace you have to come back to multiple times. You think a tester or 20 would have ran into it.
Testers don't play the game like a normal player would so they wouldn't be returning to that one area again and again and probably wouldn't save as frequently as a real player. There also might be certain conditions like what Pokémon you have or your outfit or if you're online or whatever. I don't think it's as simple as "save here and it fucks up".
Post by: broodwars on October 22, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
What makes it worse is that by my understanding that is someplace you have to come back to multiple times. You think a tester or 20 would have ran into it.
Testers don't play the game like a normal player would so they wouldn't be returning to that one area again and again and probably wouldn't save as frequently as a real player.
AS a former tester, NO they don't save as frequently as a real player. They save more frequentlyin every area multiple times to makes sure there aren't any issues, even if there is no conceivable way a player would trigger it. I was once testing sign-ins/sign-outs in XBox Live on a title I was working on. One time, I performed a sign-in/out 50 times in a row & triggered a crash caused by a memory leak. No player would ever trigger that issue unless they literally never turned their console off. It was still found and inadvertently fixed.
Nintendo's testers are very good at what they do. I have a hard time believing this wasn't a Known Shippable.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 22, 2013, 03:06:17 PM
What makes it worse is that by my understanding that is someplace you have to come back to multiple times. You think a tester or 20 would have ran into it.
Testers don't play the game like a normal player would so they wouldn't be returning to that one area again and again and probably wouldn't save as frequently as a real player.
AS a former tester, NO they don't save as frequently as a real player. They save more frequentlyin every area multiple times to makes sure there aren't any issues, even if there is no conceivable way a player would trigger it. I was once testing sign-ins/sign-outs in XBox Live on a title I was working on. One time, I performed a sign-in/out 50 times in a row & triggered a crash caused by a memory leak. No player would ever trigger that issue unless they literally never turned their console off. It was still found and inadvertently fixed.
Nintendo's testers are very good at what they do. I have a hard time believing this wasn't a Known Shippable.
If it's a Known Shippable then why are we waiting for a fix? This is a major game breaking bug so if Nintendo knowingly shipped the game with it they should have known it would come up and a fix would need to be released, so why wouldn't they have that fix ready to go? If I was cutting corners to make a release date I would have the patch ready ASAP. So Nintendo either didn't know or they did but waited until it was actually found to start working on a fix or they knew and have a fix ready but are holding it back for some reason. I think ignorance is probably the cause as the worldwide release date would have put extra pressure on the team.
It is not encouraging however that there have been multiple Nintendo titles in the last few years to offer game breaking bugs when there was a time when Nintendo games pretty much never had such problems.
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 22, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
All the people saying this is a new thing at Nintendo don't know localization history. The Japanese versions of Nintendo games have always had more bugs that got fixed when released overseas. In recent years though, Nintendo has released more games in the West first or at the same time as Japan, which has lead to more bugs getting out here, where in the past the earlier Japanese releases would always catch them before our versions came out.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 22, 2013, 05:41:35 PM
Post by: Mop it up on October 22, 2013, 05:51:07 PM
That functionality is nice for fixing bugs but when there was no way to fix console game bugs we didn't seem to have as many bugs to fix.A statement like this completely ignores the fact that games are a whole lot more complicated to program than they were during the NES and SNES era. These days, there's so much more that can go wrong, and so much more to check, it would take such a long time for testers to find everything which would make it impossible to still release games in a timely manner. Not that I'm trying to excuse glitches like this, but this is the reality of increased technology.
Secondly, let's not pretend that Nintendo games have never had glitches before. Go look up the number of glitches in games like Super Metroid and Ocarina of Time, and the lists are staggering. Some of those are game-breaking as well; you can permanently mess up all your saves in Super Metroid if you equip both the Spazer and Plasma beam at the same time and fire it in certain areas of the game.
