Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: NWR_insanolord on September 27, 2013, 05:58:12 PM
Title: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 27, 2013, 05:58:12 PM
A lot of people criticized our staff list for the Top 10 Zelda Games feature we just did, so as was suggested, we're opening it up to our readers to do their own list.
To vote, post your list in this thread. Votes will be tallied by giving your number one selections 10 points, number twos 9 points, all the way down to your number ten selection receiving 1 points. These numbers will be added up and used to compile the final list.
If you don't have ten games you want to vote for, don't feel the need to fill the entire list, but we ask that you at least give your top five. Please get your list in by the end of next week, Saturday, October 5.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: pokepal148 on September 27, 2013, 06:04:19 PM
10. the legend of zelda NES 9. Skyward Sword 8. phantom hourglass 7. Ocarina of Time 6. Oracle of Ages 5. Minish Cap 4. Oracle of Seasons 3. A Link to the Past 2. Links Awakening 1. Twilight Princess
I really need to play Wind Waker
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: thedefalcos on September 27, 2013, 09:05:19 PM
I can only go on the ones I've played, so just because it's on the list doesnt mean I think it's top ten material.
9. Zelda II 8. Twilight Princess 7. Link's Crossbow Training 6. Minish Cap 5. Ocarina of Time 4. Skyward Sword 3. Windwaker 2. Zelda I 1. A Link to the Past (not only my favorite Zelda game, but my favorite game of all time)
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Shaymin on September 27, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
10. Zelda II: Adventure of Link 9. The Legend of Zelda 8. Four Swords Adventures (DSiWare 2011) 7. Wind Waker 6. Twilight Princess 5. Oracle of Seasons 4. Oracle of Ages 3. Link's Awakening 2. Ocarina of Time 1. Link to the Past
That was easy.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: ShyGuy on September 27, 2013, 09:36:13 PM
1. Link's Crossbow Training
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Stogi on September 27, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Caliban on September 27, 2013, 10:24:36 PM
10 Link's Awakening DX 9 Majora's Mask 8 Minish Cap 7 Twilight Princess 6 A Link to the Past 5 Oracle of Ages 4 Wind Waker 3 Zelda II 2 Ocarina of Time 1 Skyward Sword
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Adrock on September 27, 2013, 10:31:26 PM
1. A Link to The Past 2. Link's Awakening 3. Ocarina of Time 4. The Wind Waker 5. Majora's Mask 6. Twilight Princess 7. Four Sword Adventures 8. Oracle of Ages 9. Oracle of Seasons 10. Four Sword Anniversary 11. The Minish Cap
I know I listed 11. I count Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons as one game because you can't even fight the final boss without both of them. If they could be counted together, they'd be number eight. Since they're probably counted separately, I placed Oracle of Ages first because Veran is a better villain. It's been a while since I played them though.
I almost put The Wind Waker ahead of Ocarina of Time. I think collectively The Wind Waker is probably the more refined game, but I really can't ignore the fact that I've played through and completed Ocarina of Time like eight times. Anyway, to celebrate this Zelda thread and how awesome A Link to the Past is, here's a gif: (http://i.imgur.com/hsSfYVo.gif)
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: pokepal148 on September 27, 2013, 10:48:59 PM
5. Link's Crossbow Training 4. that game and watch zelda thing they made like 50 years ago 3. Star Fox Adventures 2. Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland 1. Three way tie between the cdi games
:smug:
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Adrock on September 27, 2013, 10:53:31 PM
4. that game and watch zelda thing they made like 50 years ago
That game was so f-ing difficult. Just thinking about it makes me want to internet punch you in the face for bringing it up.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Oreanta on September 28, 2013, 12:06:44 AM
1. Twilight Princess 2. Wind Waker 3. Skyward Sword 4. Oracle of Ages 5. Oracle of Seasons 6. Majora's Mask 7. Ocarina of Time 8. A Link to the Past 9. Link's Awakening 10. The Legend of Zelda
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Sarail on September 28, 2013, 12:42:54 AM
1. Skyward Sword 2. Minish Cap 3. A Link to the Past 4. Majora's Mask 5. Link's Awakening 6. Twlight Princess 7. The Wind Waker 8. Four Swords Adventures 9. Ocarina of Time 10. Adventure of Link
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on September 28, 2013, 01:59:57 AM
1 - Majora's Mask 2 - Twilight Princess 3 - Wind Waker 4 - Ocarina of Time 5 - A Link to the Past 6 - Link's Awakening 7 - The Minish Cap 8 & 9 - Oracle of Ages/Seasons 10 - Okami
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 28, 2013, 03:07:54 AM
1. Skyward Sword 2. Twilight Princess 3. Majora's Mask 4. Wind Waker 5. Ocarina of Time 6. Four Swords Adventures 7. Minish Cap 8. Oracle of Seasons 9. Oracle of Ages 10. Link to the Past
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: ShyGuy on September 28, 2013, 05:07:13 AM
10.A Hat in Time 9. Alundra 8. Ittle Dew 7. Illusion of Gaia 6. Neutopia 5. 3D Dot Heroes 4. Dark Cloud 3. Darksiders 2. Okami 1. Beyond Good and Evil
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Maximelene on September 28, 2013, 09:29:36 AM
First post here ! \o/
1. A Link to the Past 2. Ocarina of Time 3. Wind Waker 4. Majora's Mask 5. Link's awakening 6. Twilight Princess 7. Zelda 1 8. Minish Cap 9. Zelda 2 10. Skyward Sword
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Xord on September 28, 2013, 09:41:05 AM
1. Majora's Mask 2. Ocarina of Time 3. Twillight Princess 4. Link's Awakening 5. Wind Waker
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Disco Stu on September 28, 2013, 03:59:28 PM
1. Ocarina of Time 2. Wind Waker 3. Link's Awakening 4. Skyward Sword 5. A Link to the Past 6. Twilight Princess 7. Majora's Mask 8. Oracle games 9. Spirit Tracks 10. The Legend of Zelda
It's almost guaranteed I'll be either the only one or one of the few with a DS game on my list. I can't wait to play through A Link Between Worlds a couple of times and hopefully re-evaluate this list!!
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on September 28, 2013, 06:10:36 PM
There are other types of puzzles besides those which involve pushing blocks, you know? Geez!
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: lolmonade on September 28, 2013, 08:42:35 PM
1. A Link to the Past 2. Ocarina of Time 3. Skyward Sword 4. Wind Waker 5. Majora's Mask 6. Twilight Princess 7. The Legend of Zelda (NES) 8. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
That's the most I can rank, based on what i've actually played.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Nemo on September 29, 2013, 01:07:09 AM
1. Legend of Zelda (NES) 2. A Link to the Past (SNES) 3. Majora's Mask (N64) 4. Zelda II: The Adventures of Link (NES) 5. Ocarina of Time (N64) 6. Minish Cap 7. Four Swords Adventures 8. Twilight Princess 9. Link's Awakening DX 10. Wind Waker
Dishonorable mentions/games I got but never finished: A. 1 of the two Oracle games (I beat the other one). B. Phantom Hourglass. (Terrible. Never got Spirit Tracks.) C. Skyward Sword. (I'll finish it some day, I guess.)
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: broodwars on September 29, 2013, 01:43:17 AM
1. Majora's Mask 2. Ocarina of Time 3. A Link to the Past 4. Wind Waker 5. Oracle of Ages/Seasons 6. Four Swords Adventures 7. Twilight Princess 8. Minish Cap 9. The Legend of Zelda 10. Link's Awakening
Obligatory "bottom of the list"
- Zelda 2 - Skyward Sword
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on September 29, 2013, 02:43:56 AM
Weirdly, my least favourite Zelda games are the oldest ones and newest one.
- The Legend of Zelda - Zelda II: Link's Adventure - Skyward Sword
Everything in between though has been great!
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Retro Deckades on September 29, 2013, 04:07:39 AM
1. A Link to the Past 2. Link's Awakening 3. The Legend of Zelda 4. Twilight Princess 5. The Wind Waker 6. Ocarina of Time 7. Skyward Sword 8. Majora's Mask 9. The Minish Cap 10. Four Swords Adventures
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: nickmitch on September 29, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
1. Wind Waker 2. A Link to the Past 3. Ocarina of Time 4. Skyward Sword 5. Four Swords Adventures 6. Twilight Princess --Games I liked but never beat-- 7. Minish Cap 8. Link's Awakening 9. Majora's Mask
Everything else I've played doesn't really merit a vote.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on September 29, 2013, 05:04:17 PM
Forum newbie here. My top ten would be something like:
1. Ocarina of Time 2. A Link to the Past 3. Link's Awakening 4. The Wind Waker 5. The Legend of Zelda 6. Oracle of Seasons 7. Oracle of Ages 8. Majora's Mask 9. Twilight Princess 10. Spirit Tracks
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Agent-X- on September 30, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
I think that a top 10 Zelda game ranking makes for an interesting sociological experiment. I suspect that the positioning of LttP on a person's top 10 list reveals something about their age and not necessarily how young or old they are. I find that Link's Awakening tends to poach from LttP's following.
From my encounters, the tendency is that those who played LttP on the SNES love that game and often feel it's the best or second best game. You were probably born before 1987. If you were born in 1987 or later, you may have owned a Gameboy and were exposed to Link's Awakening first before getting to fully experience LttP. If this is you, you probably heard how great LttP is and that it is the best in the entire series. You sat down to play it at some point and didn't think it was better than LA.
In fact, the younger you are, the more likely you are to see LttP as lacking in many of the qualities you are familiar with in the series. Meanwhile, there are a few of us who have wanted an experience more like LttP who feel like the later games have added concepts that just aren't very enjoyable, ie. dungeons packed full of puzzles that often rely on the item you just picked up recently, items that cease being very useful after you leave said dungeon, dungeon difficulty that mostly relies on puzzles and trickery to keep you at bay rather than good ol' fashioned difficulty.
My top list... 1. A Link to the Past 2. Ocarina of Time 3. Skyward Sword 4. Link's Awakening 5. Wind Waker[size=78%] [/size] 6. Twilight Princess 7. The Minish Cap 8. Majora's Mask
I miss the feeling I got when I cleared another dungeon in Zelda and felt like that was a big accomplishment. If my save file was the most advanced one, that felt good. Many of these later Zelda games are designed for completionists who NEED to complete the game and then unlock every secret. I don't care about that! I freaking descended Death Mountain in the Dark World WITHOUT OUT THE MOON PEARL! I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR NO MASTER SWORD! JUST TEMPER MY ORIGINAL ONE THAT MY UNCLE GAVE ME!
Heh...
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Soren on September 30, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
1)A Link to the Past 2)Ocarina of Time 3)Majora's Mask 4)Wind Waker 5)Skyward Sword 6)The Legend of Zelda
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Ian Sane on September 30, 2013, 02:24:05 PM
1. Link's Awakening 2. A Link to the Past 3. Majora's Mask 4. Ocarina of Time 5. Minish Cap 6. Four Swords Adventures 7. Wind Waker 8. Oracle of Seasons 9. Oracle of Ages 10. Twilight Princess
The NES games are pretty damn rough and don't hold up well and I'll be damned if those shitty touchscreen Zeldas are going to even sniff my top ten.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Bizzy_Fatso on September 30, 2013, 11:41:43 PM
I just can't comprehend why they would put Wind Waker at the top of the list. Everyone complained about the sailing and the end-game fetch nonsense when the game came out, and they continue to complain about the latter in the new version. What did everyone complain about when A Link to the Past came out? I certainly don't recall anything... What about Ocarina of Time? Maybe the difficulty of the Water Temple, but aside from that it was universally considered to be a masterpiece. I can understand Wind Waker being your personal favorite - I cannot understand putting it at the top of a Nintendo site's top ten list.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: UncleBob on October 01, 2013, 01:29:18 AM
I think OoT suffers from a similar issue as "Sweet Home Alabama" does for Skynyrd fans. At some point in our lives, we all really liked it, but it just got so dang overplayed, with so many people never accepting the other games in the series for what they are that we just start to overlook that it *is* a good game.
With that said, I refuse to play this game of picking my favorites (except for that #1 spot, as you all should know by now).
Wind Waker, Skyward Sword, Majora's Mask and Four Swords Adventures would probably round out my top five, in some order or another.
Four Swords, LttP, Ocarina of Time, OoA/OoS and the original would probably finish off the top ten.
Out of the main titles, Twilight Princess is probably my least favorite... not that it's a bad game, mind you... Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, ZII all round out the games I don't think I've ever gone back and played/finished a second playthrough.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on October 01, 2013, 01:54:53 AM
I can understand Wind Waker being your personal favorite - I cannot understand putting it at the top of a Nintendo site's top ten list.
I'll never understand why certain people cling to the illusion that games can be judged and compared objectively. Every top 10 list is subjective. In this particular case the list represents the opinions of the NWR staff collectively. If a game can be somebody's favourite in a given series, why can't it be a site's favourite? What is a video game site if not a collection of people with their own tastes and opinions?
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Bizzy_Fatso on October 04, 2013, 01:16:19 PM
I'll never understand why certain people cling to the illusion that games can be judged and compared objectively. Every top 10 list is subjective. In this particular case the list represents the opinions of the NWR staff collectively. If a game can be somebody's favourite in a given series, why can't it be a site's favourite? What is a video game site if not a collection of people with their own tastes and opinions?
Most people would answer the following 2 questions differently:
(1) What are your 5 favorite games? (2) What are the top 5 games of all time?
For the latter question, most people will take into account things like lasting influence, overall public reception, etc., which wouldn't necessarily be considered for the former question. I would put Fallout 3 in my list of my top 5 favorite games of all time, and I wouldn't put Tetris in there - but if I were trying to create a list of the top 5 games of all time, Tetris would probably make the cut and Fallout 3 certainly wouldn't.
Obviously every top 10 list is subjective, but when you're creating a top 10 list for an entire site or community, you should consider broader questions than just your own personal tastes. I was just saying that when you consider some of these broader questions, I don't think Wind Waker can make the #1 position. People complained about aspects of the game when it came out and continue to do so today, and it had nowhere near the lasting influence that a game like OoT had.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Mop it up on October 05, 2013, 12:44:38 AM
Hm, this is tough, the games are so different it's difficult to compare them. If you asked me tomorrow then this'd probably be different.
10. Link's Crossbow Training 9. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages 8. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons 7. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX 6. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 5. The Legend of Zelda 4. Zelda II: The Adventures of Link 3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 2. The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword 1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
I have not yet played: Minish Cap Four Swords Adventures Four Swords Anniversary Phantom Hourglass Spirit Tracks
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: leahsdad on October 05, 2013, 01:53:02 AM
1. Ocarina of Time 2. Link's Awakening 3. Link to the Past 4. Wind Waker 5. Majora's Mask 6. Twilight Princess 7. Skyward Sword 8. Phantom Hourglass 9. Spirit Tracks 10. Oracle of Seasons
And yes, I would NOT include Zelda 2 or Legend of Zelda on my list.
On a semi related note, a Gamestop employee just called me to let me know that my pre-order of "Legend of Zelda HD" [their words] just arrived. Aah...Gamestop.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: leahsdad on October 05, 2013, 02:00:43 AM
I have not yet played: Minish Cap Four Swords Adventures Four Swords Anniversary Phantom Hourglass Spirit Tracks
Okay, I still liked Spirit Tracks, even though it was...shall we say, not as strongly inspired as we're used to seeing with Zelda games? Still definitely worth the price of admission.
But Phantom Hourglass was pretty darn good. The one boss fight where the top screen was from the first person perspective of this invisible boss? Crazy amounts of cleverness and ingenuity there. Never seen in a game before, or since.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on October 06, 2013, 01:09:51 PM
Phantom Hourglass might have cracked my Top 10 if not for having to run through the entire Temple of the Ocean King at least four times. It's unnecessary, it's not fun, and it's completely unprofessional to force the player to do that. Nintendo really should have known better. The game was good in most other respects, but that one aspect alone is enough to prevent me from playing a second time. So I stuck Spirit Tracks up there instead.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: UncleBob on October 06, 2013, 01:32:10 PM
I actually liked the Temple of the Ocean King. I thought it was neat the way that you played through it differently each time with your new weapons. I think it could have been mixed up a little better, but was still a neat concept.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: alegoicoe on October 06, 2013, 04:52:52 PM
1-OoT 2-Wind Waker 3-Majorask Mask 4-Skyward Sword 5-Link to the Past
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Bizzy_Fatso on October 07, 2013, 12:00:16 AM
Totally agree with MetalMario - it was actually enough to keep me from finishing the game - super annoying.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Ian Sane on October 07, 2013, 01:01:48 PM
My main beef with Phantom Hourglass is its controls. They're unintuitive, akward, and imprecise. Those Zelda games are the perfect example of forced touchscreen usage. Did any living soul ever have any issue with the original Zelda controls? D-pad moves you in the direction you press, buttons swing the sword and use items. You couldn't come up with something easier to use. But Nintendo just has to "prove" the validity of their gimmick controls so they came up with this utterly bizarre control method using the touchscreen. The game makes simply moving around an utter chore.
And I was putting up with it because there was like a good game trapped inside but then I had to go through the Temple of the Ocean King again and I just thought to myself "**** this" and haven't played the game since. I could deal with the Temple or the touchscreen controls but both? And damn that game for introducing the Guardians which have to be by far the least welcome Zelda trope ever. How out-of-touch can Nintendo be to think that THAT is an idea that fans want to see repeated again and again in later Zeldas? And they've been in every new Zelda game since their debut so expect to see them poison the series from here on out.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Mop it up on October 08, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
I played only the multiplayer of Phantom Hourglass, and I didn't like the controls for Link either. Maybe they thought it'd be too easy if he had button controls, but if true then they just needed to rethink the design instead. The controls for the other player, with the guardians or whatever they were called, those made some sense.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Wah on October 08, 2013, 06:27:56 PM
OoT for the win my top five: 1. OoT 2. Majoras mask 3. Skyward sword 4. the lengend of zelda 5. twilight princess
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Phil on October 08, 2013, 08:50:26 PM
1) Ocarina of Time 2) A Link to the Past 3) Link's Awakening DX 4) The Wind Waker HD 5) Oracle of Ages/Seasons 6) Skyward Sword 7) Twilight Princess 8) Majora's Mask 9) The Minish Cap 10) Four Swords Adventures
That was hard, as I haven't played some of them in quite a long while. Nostalgia might be clouding some of them or not giving enough accolades to some titles.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: KisakiProject on October 09, 2013, 12:50:17 PM
I"m going
1) Ocarina of Time 2) Windwaker 3) Twilight Princess 4) Spirit Tracks (apparently no one loves this one as much as me) 5) The Legend of Zelda 6) Link's Awakening 7) Skyward Sword (How people like this more than TP blows my mind) 8) Majora's Mask 9) Oracle of Seasons 10) LttP (Most overrated in the series IMHO)
I've barely played II, Ages, or Minish Cap. I really didn't care for Phantom Hourglass. And I never played 4 swords outside the GBA version.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on October 09, 2013, 07:11:45 PM
I love how both Phil and KisakiProject have the 'cool' smilie next to Majora's Mask. It almost makes up for the fact that you guys both placed it 8th.
Come on people! Majora's Mask rules! Admit it!
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on October 16, 2013, 05:54:09 PM
So, when are we going to see the results of this?
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 17, 2013, 05:22:03 PM
Sorry, I've been in bad shape over the last few weeks. I'll try to get it up soon.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2013, 09:00:57 PM
Am I too late?
1 Majora's Mask 2 Link's Awakening 3 Link to the Past 4 Ocarina of Time 5 Twilight Princess 6 Oracle of Ages/Seasons 7 Wind Waker 8 Phantom Hourglass 9 Four Swords/Four Swords Adventures 10 Spirit Tracks
I have not played enough of Skyward Sword to be able to properly rate it so I will not rank it at all.
If I were to make the multiplayer of Phantom Hourglass a separate game it would be right below Twilight Princess. I loved it and it's controls. It all worked really well for me as a multiplayer experience.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Khushrenada on October 20, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
Sorry, I've been in bad shape over the last few weeks. I'll try to get it up soon.
Sorry to hear that. I was finally brought down with a virus of some sort a couple weeks ago. Up to that point, I hadn't been sick in three years. It definitely seems to be a more effective bug this year than in past seasons. On the plus side, at least I finally got to take some sick days from work.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Agent-X- on October 22, 2013, 03:09:07 PM
1) Ocarina of Time 2) Windwaker 3) Twilight Princess 4) Spirit Tracks (apparently no one loves this one as much as me) 5) The Legend of Zelda 6) Link's Awakening 7) Skyward Sword (How people like this more than TP blows my mind) :cool; Majora's Mask 9) Oracle of Seasons 10) LttP (Most overrated in the series IMHO)
I've barely played II, Ages, or Minish Cap. I really didn't care for Phantom Hourglass. And I never played 4 swords outside the GBA version.
When did you first play LttP?
You rate the original at #5 and throw LttP in at #10, and then you proceed to proclaim LttP as the most overrated in the series. What about LttP doesn't stack up with either #5 or #6 on your list? There is so much that LttP does right that keeps it shoulder-to-shoulder with OoT... The soundtrack is arguably better if not simply original. It introduces an actual storyline into the game. Everything about LttP is not only better than its predecessors but is also considered to be better than just about every other game in the series. Where OoT's Hyrule Field seems expansive and lonely, LttP's game world is vibrant and full of mysteries. Certainly, I can understand why people feel OoT is "overrated" and in the same breath so is "LttP" for similar reasons. Both games have so shaped the franchise that it almost seems to prevent the developers from branching out to do something radically different (ala Majora's Mask).
Excuse me for feeling dumbstruck by that kind of comment, but it really begs the question for you to justify your opinion. You did just throw LttP under a bus without any explanation. One would think the original LoZ would be deemed totally "overhyped" considering its placement on these lists vs how fun the game actually is.
Every game is hyped to a degree, but especially hyped are LttP, LA, and OoT.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on October 22, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: Agent-X-
One would think the original LoZ would be deemed totally "overhyped" considering its placement on these lists vs how fun the game actually is.
It's more fun than anything made after WW, that's for sure.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: pokepal148 on October 22, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
yeash whats with all the twilight princess hate.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on October 22, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
Twilight Princess just isn't very good, is all. Still better than Skyward Sword, though.
The problem is, the awesomeness of OoT pretty much destroyed the Zelda series. They'll keep trying to catch that lightning in a bottle the second time, but they never will. And as long as they keep trying to imitate OoT, we're going to end up with pale, crippled imitations like TP and SS. They at least need to go in a different direction, so as to escape the shadow of OoT.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on October 22, 2013, 10:45:32 PM
To put it another way, Twilight Princess is NOT to Ocarina of Time what Super Mario World was to Super Mario Bros. 3.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 23, 2013, 02:06:12 AM
Well yeah, Twilight Princess is actually better then Ocarina of Time, unlike World which is worse then Bros 3.
TRUTH!
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on October 23, 2013, 03:01:08 AM
I literally can't fathom anyone who thinks that TP is superior to OoT. Seriously, you might as well be Cthulu, or some other Lovecraftian creation. You're Cthulu, and I'm just staring at you, helpless in my lack of comprehension as my sanity strips itself away.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: pokepal148 on October 23, 2013, 08:21:07 AM
OOT as a game has just aged absolutely horribly. As much as I enjoy that game various elements of the game just don't stand the test of time(combat, some temple designs, hyrule field). Twilight Princess meanwhile fixes those problems and presents itself at an absolutely massive scale.
OOT is the more influential game TP is the better game
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Adrock on October 23, 2013, 09:27:51 AM
Ocarina of Time has better pacing. I felt Twilight Princess was too long and it takes roughly 12 hours to get the sword in the beginning (why did I have to catch a fish just to progress?). The last three dungeons were also not especially strong or maybe I was just worn out. In terms of gameplay, sure, give the nod to Twilight Princess for the refinements. Overall, I still like Ocarina of Time more.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Agent-X- on October 23, 2013, 01:08:19 PM
Everybody's worried about the debate between OoT and TP, and no one is commenting on the travesty that is the offhand remark that LttP is the most overhyped in the series...
And WTF is wrong with people on here... seriously, SMW is worse than SMB3? WHO CARES? Both are lightyears beyond any New Super Mario Bros game. Both ate up at least 200 hours of my time growing up. AS CLOSE TO GAMING PERFECTION AS IT GETS. EOS.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on October 23, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
I literally can't fathom anyone who thinks that TP is superior to OoT. Seriously, you might as well be Cthulu, or some other Lovecraftian creation. You're Cthulu, and I'm just staring at you, helpless in my lack of comprehension as my sanity strips itself away.
I'd consider that a complement. :)
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Adrock on October 23, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
Everybody's worried about the debate between OoT and TP, and no one is commenting on the travesty that is the offhand remark that LttP is the most overhyped in the series...
It's his/her opinion and wasn't followed by an explanation. I disagree, but without more to go on, that's the end of that discussion.
Ocarina of Time would be my pick for most overrated of the series. Before anyone freaks out, keep in mind that it's third on my Zelda list. A game can be both excellent and overrated.
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Post by: MetalMario2 on November 05, 2013, 07:42:24 PM
In your own time.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: MetalMario2 on November 21, 2013, 05:26:57 PM
Any time at all.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 21, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
I haven't played all the Zelda games. So I can't rank all of them properly. If I was to rank the games I have played...here is the order.
1) The Link to the Past 2) OoT 3)Twilight Princess 4) Wind Waker 5)Link's Awakening 6) Minish Cap 7) Phantom Hourglass 8)The Legend of Zelda
I have not played enough of the other portable games to have an opinion...though I tried to play Minish Cap and found it tedious...but enjoyable. I never finished it, but I know where I would put it. On the list.
To me, anything that makes the exploration of the game more difficult made the game less enjoyable. So Minish Cap had a cool gimmick with shrinking, but it made the world feel harder and less enjoyable to explore for me. This is one reason Majora's Mask isn't on my list.
Twlight Princess I enjoyed the story elements and feeling like I was part of a bigger world and story. I understand the boss battles were too easy, and parts of the game seemed locked away from exploration at first, but eventually it did open up and it was really fun, and then I had that story.
As for Link to the Past. It defined the series and I can play it over and over again. Always enjoying the game. Link to the Past defines the 3D adventures, but the 3D adventures are too much of a commitment for pick up and play gaming. So it isn't as great.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 21, 2013, 08:52:46 PM
PS: Majora's Mask is the most overrated Zelda game.
It is different and dark, so people think it is cool...but it is extremely over-rated. And its time limitations make it less enjoyable to play.
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Post by: Shaymin on November 21, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
I can't applaud you any harder.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 21, 2013, 11:25:34 PM
Well yeah, Twilight Princess is actually better then Ocarina of Time, unlike World which is worse then Bros 3.
TRUTH!
Except this is not truth. Super Mario World, may not have the same level of creativity and newness of Super Mario Bros 3. However, Super Mario World's levels are usually more focused, and carefully crafted. Almost every level introduces a new element or refines an old element introduced for a new game play mechanic. The levels are longer, and overall more enjoyable.
Super Mario World is a fantastically wonderful and perfect 2D Mario game. I believe it is literally the best 2D Mario experience to date. Now, for something outside the Mario experience, but still Mario...Super Mario World 2 is one of the best games ever made. I love that game...but the replayability isn't as high as Mario 3 or World.
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 21, 2013, 11:59:46 PM
So with the mario argument in play I think there's only one more thing to do
One Two Three Four I declare a (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/flame-wars.jpg)
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: pokepal148 on November 22, 2013, 12:01:23 AM
I literally can't fathom anyone who thinks that TP is superior to OoT. Seriously, you might as well be Cthulu, or some other Lovecraftian creation. You're Cthulu, and I'm just staring at you, helpless in my lack of comprehension as my sanity strips itself away.
I'd consider that a complement. :)
I'd consider your spelling to be just as bad as his argument.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 22, 2013, 12:25:41 AM
Quick, get A Blastoise.
I didn't really mean to start a flame war.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on November 22, 2013, 12:54:56 AM
Except this is not truth. Super Mario World, may not have the same level of creativity and newness of Super Mario Bros 3. However, Super Mario World's levels are usually more focused, and carefully crafted. Almost every level introduces a new element or refines an old element introduced for a new game play mechanic. The levels are longer, and overall more enjoyable.
Super Mario World is a fantastically wonderful and perfect 2D Mario game. I believe it is literally the best 2D Mario experience to date. Now, for something outside the Mario experience, but still Mario...Super Mario World 2 is one of the best games ever made. I love that game...but the replayability isn't as high as Mario 3 or World.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Super Mario World immensely. It's an awesome game. It's just that Super Mario Bros 3 has the better levels, a more cohesive art direction (American Football players, non-Goombas and Rhinoceros? Really?) it feels snappier and, crucially, it doesn't have Yoshi, all of which make it the superior game.
Also,
Tanooki Suit > Cape
and
Kuribo's Shoe > EVERYTHING
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 22, 2013, 02:06:46 AM
I literally can't fathom anyone who thinks that TP is superior to OoT. Seriously, you might as well be Cthulu, or some other Lovecraftian creation. You're Cthulu, and I'm just staring at you, helpless in my lack of comprehension as my sanity strips itself away.
I'd consider that a complement. :)
I'd consider your spelling to be just as bad as his argument.
Not an argument. Just the way I feel about people who think TP is better than OoT.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Ian Sane on November 22, 2013, 01:37:25 PM
I'd say in a vacuum TP was better than OoT. If you were coming to the series completely fresh and TP was your first Zelda it would blow your mind. In comparison OoT would feel like an unpolished prototype. Or at least it would on the N64. But now there is a more up-to-date version on the 3DS. This brings the two games to a comparable level in regards to technology. OoT probably holds up better in that comparison but I've never played the 3DS version so I don't know for sure.
Since I played the games in the context of their original release TP is a pale imitation of OoT. OoT had the advantage of being a ridiculously ambitious and groundbreaking game when it was released while TP felt very cookie-cutter. I was there and know the full context and can't turn that off. I can't play TP without noticing how closely it follows the OoT template and how my experience is hurt by a "been there done that" feeling.
For most overrated Zelda I would pick Wind Waker. The graphics backlash was so strong it feels that WW's fans are defensive and overcompensate in praising it. I can pick it apart in one sentence: "big blue ocean of nothing". Yet much of the praise it gets for being "one of the best games of all time" is literally that sentence and nothing more. WHY is it so great? Because everyone was a big meanie for picking on the graphics? I do encounter praise for it specifically because of the graphics but if that's a superficial thing for someone to hate on the game for then it also is a superficial reason for the game to be good. You can't say "graphics don't matter" and then act like the graphic style was so expressive and emotional that it made the game one of the best Zeldas. Bullshit. Then I can say the little kid Looney Tunes graphics ruined it. If the graphics don't matter then we have to take it out of the argument entirely for good or bad. So take away the graphics and I feel you're left with a fairly conventional follow-up to OoT where travel is slow and tedious, the overworld is mostly an empty ocean, dungeons were cut and it's obvious to the player where they were cut, and the game tacks on an annoying fetch quest at the end to pad the length. The best I can say is that the camera is greatly improved from the N64 games, the game meets the standards of quality one expects from Zelda and Nintendo, and the last boss fight is awesome.
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Post by: Adrock on November 22, 2013, 05:05:56 PM
I'd say in a vacuum TP was better than OoT. If you were coming to the series completely fresh and TP was your first Zelda it would blow your mind. In comparison OoT would feel like an unpolished prototype. Or at least it would on the N64. But now there is a more up-to-date version on the 3DS. This brings the two games to a comparable level in regards to technology. OoT probably holds up better in that comparison but I've never played the 3DS version so I don't know for sure.
It does.
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For most overrated Zelda I would pick Wind Waker. The graphics backlash was so strong it feels that WW's fans are defensive and overcompensate in praising it. I can pick it apart in one sentence: "big blue ocean of nothing".
Wind Waker HD effectively fixes that for me. The Swift Sail makes sailing not a kick to the nutsack. The ocean doesn't seem so empty when you can sail so fast and not have to redirect the wind. I'd even go as far as to say that sailing is actually fun and even as fun as Nintendo wanted it to be back in 2003.
I think the gameplay still felt fresh in 2003. Wind Waker was a refined Ocarina of Time then Twilight Princess didn't really refine Wind Waker as much though I did enjoy the Wii Remote controls, particularly aiming.
I initially hated the cel shaded graphics, but they grew on me over the years, particularly after Twilight Princess' Hyrule looked so drab. The Wii U E3 demo is a nice middle ground (e.g. has more color but isn't so bright) though I'd still like to see a 3D Zelda taking place mostly on land with Wind Waker's art style. Briefly walking through Hyrule at the end of Wind Waker was a tease. And no, Spirit Tracks does not count.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 22, 2013, 05:48:14 PM
I initially hated the cel shaded graphics, but they grew on me over the years, particularly after Twilight Princess' Hyrule looked so drab. The Wii U E3 demo is a nice middle ground (e.g. has more color but isn't so bright) though I'd still like to see a 3D Zelda taking place mostly on land with Wind Waker's art style. Briefly walking through Hyrule at the end of Wind Waker was a tease. And no, Spirit Tracks does not count.
I like the in-between graphics style of Skyward Sword but I would give a Wind Waker on land a go in a heartbeat. WW, SS and the DS games have weird ways of travelling where you're detached from the main way to move around. I prefer to get around on foot or horse like in OoT, MM and TP. It's kind of annoying that whenever Nintendo has gone with a cel-shaded art style they've paired it up with some detached travel method. It feels more like I'm getting somewhere if I get there the same way I move around a dungeon. Zelda works best when the world is connected, instead of broken into chunks.
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Post by: TheBossGaro on November 22, 2013, 06:24:47 PM
But now there is a more up-to-date version on the 3DS.
Coming from someone who has played the heck out of OoT, I honestly felt the remake did a disservice to the game. It was great, don't get me wrong, but I felt the improved graphics brought out the worst in the game. The story is sparse, the land is even more so, but when it has N64 graphics, you don't notice that as much (or at least I didn't). I mean, it's an N64 game, give it a break. But without that context, it seems... empty, especially coming off the heels of Skyward Sword.
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 22, 2013, 07:26:29 PM
But now there is a more up-to-date version on the 3DS.
Coming from someone who has played the heck out of OoT, I honestly felt the remake did a disservice to the game. It was great, don't get me wrong, but I felt the improved graphics brought out the worst in the game. The story is sparse, the land is even more so, but when it has N64 graphics, you don't notice that as much (or at least I didn't). I mean, it's an N64 game, give it a break. But without that context, it seems... empty, especially coming off the heels of Skyward Sword.
Except when I played it on virtual console I thought the same thing
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Post by: MetalMario2 on November 22, 2013, 09:13:48 PM
But now there is a more up-to-date version on the 3DS.
Coming from someone who has played the heck out of OoT, I honestly felt the remake did a disservice to the game. It was great, don't get me wrong, but I felt the improved graphics brought out the worst in the game. The story is sparse, the land is even more so, but when it has N64 graphics, you don't notice that as much (or at least I didn't). I mean, it's an N64 game, give it a break. But without that context, it seems... empty, especially coming off the heels of Skyward Sword.
Don't be bringing that Skyward Sword golden calf bullshit in here. Worst Zelda game after AoL, which is just fundamentally unplayable unless you're some kind of video game masochist.
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Post by: TheBossGaro on November 23, 2013, 01:12:26 AM
Except when I played it on virtual console I thought the same thing
Well, like I said, it's definitely a sparse game, improved graphics or not. I suppose since I grew up with it, I don't mind it as much. The 3DS version just took away some of the nostalgia, which perhaps makes me a bit more critical of it.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 24, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
I've never really understood how some people view Twilight Princess as an Ocarina of Time rehash. Aside from many of the areas on the map being in relatively similar locations if you play the GameCube version, they are hardly anything alike. Those actual areas are completely different than OoT, the dungeons are totally different with new concepts, there are new mechanics like horseback fighting and the wolf, there are cool new items like the Spinner and Ball 'n Chain... It's a completely different, new game that did not feel similar at all to me (aside from a few usual Zelda conventions that are in every single game).
If Twilight Princess is a rehash of Ocarina of Time, then A Link to the Past is a rehash of Zelda 1.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 24, 2013, 03:43:58 PM
Just a heads up, I'm planning to have the results of this up this week. Right now it's scheduled for Friday. Sorry for the delay, I've had a rough few weeks.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 24, 2013, 03:56:31 PM
S'alright mate, things happen. If you've been sick or something then it's totally understandable, I hope you're feeling better.
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Post by: Adrock on November 24, 2013, 08:10:43 PM
I've never really understood how some people view Twilight Princess as an Ocarina of Time rehash. Aside from many of the areas on the map being in relatively similar locations if you play the GameCube version, they are hardly anything alike. Those actual areas are completely different than OoT, the dungeons are totally different with new concepts, there are new mechanics like horseback fighting and the wolf, there are cool new items like the Spinner and Ball 'n Chain... It's a completely different, new game that did not feel similar at all to me (aside from a few usual Zelda conventions that are in every single game).
Different strokes for different folks, then?
I wouldn't call Twilight Princess a rehash of Ocarina of Time. However, I think it follows Ocarina of Time's example a little too closely. It's Ocarina of Time 2 in terms of look and feel. There were, of course, enhancements and refinements beyond graphics and sound which would seem like bigger deal had there been no console Zelda games between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. That said, I think what hurts Twilight Princess for some people (such as myself) is that The Wind Waker came before it. Even ignoring the cel shading, the world feels different. It's refinements over the N64 Zelda titles are immediately felt. Twilight Princess is more along the lines of The Wind Waker's Majora's Mask.
For me personally, The Wind Waker was the last Zelda game I really enjoyed before the formula began wearing thin. If you switched their release dates, I'd probably feel differently about them in terms of impact. However, I don't think my opinion that Twilight Princess fizzling out towards the end would change. The game is too long and the amount of things to collect is bonkers. The spinner was indeed awesome though criminally underused.
The only thing The Wind Waker was missing was an extra dungeon or two, perhaps one for Nayru's Pearl (instead of Jabun just saying, "Take this. It's a secret to everybody.") and another in the middle or end of the Triforce quest.
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If Twilight Princess is a rehash of Ocarina of Time, then A Link to the Past is a rehash of Zelda 1.
I don't think that's the same (though, again, I don't consider Twilight Princess a "rehash" per se). A Link to the Past was the first game in the series with any real structure. In Zelda 1 and 2, you just wandered around until you figured out what to do. There's a feeling of real progression in addition to what better technology naturally provides. A Link to the Past is so different and so much more advanced.
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 25, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
Eh the wolf segments tend to break up the flow in my opinion but they also have proven unpopular with many people
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 25, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
All I know is that while I was playing TP I picked up on the OoT similarity with the map early on, mapped out what I figured all the covered areas on my map were and then found it took more work to get myself the motivation to play. I guessed everything right except that Zora's Domain and Lake Hylia are switched but even that annoyed me because I assumed Nintendo wanted it to be the OoT Hyrule and made a mistake (they're not exactly known for their careful attention to continuity). Exploration is a big part of what I love about Zelda and if I already have an idea of what's ahead I don't enjoy it as much. SS started to lose its shine once I picked up that I had to revisit every area multiple times so this applies to any game in the series. If I'm not exploring I'm not having as much fun.
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Post by: Mop it up on November 25, 2013, 06:05:04 PM
If Twilight Princess is a rehash of Ocarina of Time, then A Link to the Past is a rehash of Zelda 1.
I don't think that's the same (though, again, I don't consider Twilight Princess a "rehash" per se).
It isn't supposed to be a perfect comparison, the point is that I find both comparisons equally ridiculous. If you still want a different comparison, then I'll say that Link's Awakening is a rehash of Link to the Past. That game follows a similar structure as LTTP but I don't think a solid case could be made that it's a rehash.
All I know is that while I was playing TP I picked up on the OoT similarity with the map early on, mapped out what I figured all the covered areas on my map were and then found it took more work to get myself the motivation to play. I guessed everything right except that Zora's Domain and Lake Hylia are switched
There are plenty of Zelda games that have locations like Lake Hylia, Zora's Domain, Death Mountain, etc. If having locations that follow the same theme is a rehash, then OoT is a rehash of LTTP, for example.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 25, 2013, 06:58:28 PM
All I know is that while I was playing TP I picked up on the OoT similarity with the map early on, mapped out what I figured all the covered areas on my map were and then found it took more work to get myself the motivation to play. I guessed everything right except that Zora's Domain and Lake Hylia are switched
There are plenty of Zelda games that have locations like Lake Hylia, Zora's Domain, Death Mountain, etc. If having locations that follow the same theme is a rehash, then OoT is a rehash of LTTP, for example.
TP does not have one or two elements. The map for the Gamecube one literally checks off all the major areas from OoT and puts them in the exact same location except for the Lake Hylia/Zora's Domain switch. I can assume Death Mountain might show up again in later games but I shouldn't be able to look at the unfilled map and guess what everything will be and get it right. Aside from those two areas switching I guessed everything right. And ultimately it's about whether this affected my enjoyment or not and it did and I have not had this problem with any other Zelda game. The vague similarities in the other games didn't hurt my experience but in TP's situation it did.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 25, 2013, 11:14:03 PM
I've been listening to old RFNs, and back in the day they had a segment every show where they discussed what was happening in the forums. Anyway, they were looking at a thread like some of the last bit of this was, discussing the quality of Twilight Princess. I didn't look at the whole thread, but I'm pretty sure it mainly just Ian complaining and everyone else arguing with him.
The one point I think gets overlooked in this discussion is Nintendo went out of the way to say it was set 100 years after OoT. How much can you expect geography to change in that short a time? If anything it almost seems like it's changed too much in that time span. I mean, you could call it laziness, but I'd argue it's justified.
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Post by: MetalMario2 on November 25, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
WW takes place about 100 years after OoT, I believe, and that had some pretty dramatic fucking changes in geography.
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 26, 2013, 12:03:19 AM
They might have turned into birds already and Link just never got high enough to find them.
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Post by: pokepal148 on November 26, 2013, 12:15:22 AM
No they evolved into birds because bird is the word get it right ;)
Or like the gorons they may have been just chilling in another part of the ocean outside of the great sea
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 26, 2013, 12:50:46 AM
Or they could be all underwater. There was very little actual underwater exploration in Wind Waker. If I saw the world destroyed by land dwellers and I knew there was an incredibly evil man in charge of the world, I would make my people and society unknown to them.
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Post by: Shaymin on December 01, 2013, 06:11:54 PM
If it's not too late, Link Between Worlds moves to #2, Link's Awakening and Ocarina swap, and Majora's Mask still sucks.
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Post by: UncleBob on December 02, 2013, 12:54:20 AM
OoT, WW, LttP and LBW spoilers... kinda...
So, in OoT, Saria is a sage. She's a kid who, if she leaves the forest, she dies (or, possibly, turns into a Skull Kid...). So, how does this young child have babies that become her descendants later on?
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Post by: Apollo5 on December 08, 2013, 12:24:55 PM
1. Majora's Mask 2. Ocarina of Time 3. Twilight Princess 4. Link between Worlds 5. Link To The Past 6. Skyward Sward 7. Spirit Tracks 8. Wind Waker HD 9. Link's Awakening 10. Legend of Zelda
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Post by: Stogi on December 08, 2013, 09:32:06 PM
So, in OoT, Saria is a sage. She's a kid who, if she leaves the forest, she dies (or, possibly, turns into a Skull Kid...). So, how does this young child have babies that become her descendants later on?
That deku nut!
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 09, 2013, 02:43:44 AM
So, in OoT, Saria is a sage. She's a kid who, if she leaves the forest, she dies (or, possibly, turns into a Skull Kid...). So, how does this young child have babies that become her descendants later on?
Well at the end of Ocarina of Time it shows some of the Kokiri partying at Lon Lon Ranch with everybody else so it seems they do have the ability to leave the forest without dying. Plus Saria isn't a child since the Kokiri are creatures that happen to take the forms of children in Ocarina of Time, but are much older then actual children and can actually change their forms which they did in Wind Waker when they became the Koroks that are now wood creatures.
It's kind of like how in Fire Emblem Awakening you can marry a little girl and actually have a baby with her because she's actually a 1,000 year old dragon who's human form just so happens to look like a little girl, but since she's a 1,000 year old dragon she's considered legal so it's okay. Saria's like that where she's really a much older forest creature that happens to look like a young girl, so it's okay if someone has children with her and won't appear on a Hyrule version of To Catch of Predator because she's not a real little girl.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Adrock on December 09, 2013, 09:23:57 AM
A more troubling implication is that since the end of Ocarina of Time shows that the Kokiri can, in fact, leave the forest, they've been lied to for ages. Why would the Kokiri believe they would die if they left the forest? Probably because The Great Deku Tree told them and why would they question him? He's supposed to be their guardian and protector. The Kokiri loved and trusted The Great Deku Tree implicitly and he just lies to them because he's old, lonely, and can't do **** when he gets cursed and giant spiders infest his body. Keep in mind, he also lies to them about Link's lineage. So you have these childlike creatures just living in the forest, isolated from the rest of the world with this old guy and when he dies, they're free to leave and realize everything they were ever told was a lie. That's probably the real reason Mido is sad at the end. He didn't miss Saria; The Great Deku "violated" him. How did The Great Deku Tree even get the Kokiri to stay in the first place? Did he tell them he had candy? When you think about it, The Great Deku Tree is kind of a dick.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Khushrenada on March 03, 2014, 04:33:13 PM
You had one job, NWR! One job. And I'm not just talking about the staff posting the results. Ho ho ho ho ho.
But leave it to this forum to make a mess of something as simple as making a top ten list. This is why we're the best. Excalbsior!
The major problems are:
There were 2 lists of 9 entries, 8 entries, 6 entries and 5 entries. I did top ten totals based on if you took those short lists and gave their entries the full point totals, i,e. #1 is worth 10 points and number 5 is worth 6 points. I also compiled a total where those lists were given values based on the amount of entries. So, for a list of 8, the number 1 entry would be worth 8 points instead of 10.
In both cases, the list stayed the same except spots 5 and 6 changed places and 8 and 9 changed places. Everything else stayed equal. When presenting this to the staff, they were going to go with the full point option where a 5 entry list would be worth 10-6 points.
Then there were issues in versions of games. For instance, some people voted for Link's Awakening GB version, some for Link's Awakening DX version. Do you include them as one game or list their seperate entries?
But that isn't the only handheld issue.
The Oracle games are a big issue. Some people voted and gave a spot to each version. Others voted and put both games in a single spot. So, how should those games be counted? Are they counted as a seperate entry each or do you combine them? I mean, reaaaaaaalllllyyyyyyy guys!
If you combine them, how do you tally the point totals? Let's say sombody's list has #5 - Oracle of Ages, #6 Oracle of Seasons and #7 Wind Waker. Do you say the Oracle games get 6 points from that list, skip seasons and give Wind Waker 4 points? Or would you bump the rest of the games up to the now vacant spot of #6 with it being counted by Ages and give Wind Waker 5 points? Or would you go with the lower ranking and give the Oracle games 5 points from that entry?
For me, I thought it best to include them as seperate entries. Going with the high values point totals mentioned, these were the grand totals of points for those games:
Ages - 41 points Seasons - 40 points Oracle (both games as 1 entry) - 20 points.
Now the good news is that by going with the higher valued listings, no matter how you divide the points, you won't affect your top ten. Minish Cap at #9 has 70 points so even if you were to add 20 points to both other oracle games, no position on the chart changes. If you give each an extra 10 points, no position changes either above or below either.
Fortunately, in the end the oracle game points were only an issue if you went with the lower valued lists which is another reason why it was tallied that way.
Finally, some final things you may not care about but I'll mention in regards to tabulation.
Adrock made a list of 11 games. His 7th game was Four Swords Adventures and his 10th was Four Swords Anniversary. His 11th game was Minish Cap. I disregarded the 10th vote and moved Minish Cap to the 10 spot. The extra point has no bearing on its position and would stay at the 9th spot with or without it.
One person voted for Wind Waker HD but I combined that with the regular Wind Waker votes. Keeping them together or seperating them makes no change on Wind Waker's 3 place spot.
And now for what you've been waiting for. The results!
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Khushrenada on March 03, 2014, 04:38:31 PM
These totals were compiled on Nov. 26, 2013. So, if you want to include new information, it is up to you to retabulate everything. I've done my duty. Now, from the issues mentioned above here, I am going to post three lists for your viewing pleasure. Choose the one that best suits you.
First up, this list is on the higher valued totals of shorter lists, with the Link's Awakening and Wind Waker versions combined and with the 20 points of combined Oracle games added to both seperate Oracle entries:
1. Ocarina of Time - 240 points 2. Link to the Past - 207 points 3. Wind Waker - 179 points 4. Twilight Princess - 163 points 5. Majora's Mask - 159 points 6. Link's Awakening - 148 points 7. Skyword Sword - 130 points 8. Legend of Zelda (Nes) - 72 points 9. Minish Cap - 70 points 10. Oracle of Ages - 61 points 11. Oracle of Seasons - 60 points 12. (Tie) Four Swords Adventure and Adventure of Link - 39 points 14. Phantom Hourglass - 14 points 15. Spirit Tracks - 13 points 16. Crossbow Training - 9 points
This 2nd list is based on the higher valued totals of shorter lists, with the Link's Awakening and Wind Waker versions seperated and with the 20 points of combined Oracle games added to both seperate Oracle entries:
1. Ocarina of Time - 240 points 2. Link to the Past - 207 points 3. Wind Waker - 172 points 4. Twilight Princess - 163 points 5. Majora's Mask - 159 points 6. Link's Awakening - 133 points 7. Skyword Sword - 130 points 8. Legend of Zelda (Nes) - 72 points 9. Minish Cap - 70 points 10. Oracle of Ages - 61 points 11. Oracle of Seasons - 60 points 12. (Tie) Four Swords Adventure and Adventure of Link - 39 points 14. Link's Awakening DX - 15 points 15. Phantom Hourglass - 14 points 16. Spirit Tracks - 13 points 17. Crossbow Training - 9 points 18. Wind Waker HD - 7 points
And finally my favorite and the truest representation of this forum list is this third one. This is the list with all alternative suggestions included. This list is on the higher valued totals of shorter lists, with the Link's Awakening and Wind Waker versions seperated and with the 20 points of combined Oracle games added to both seperate Oracle entries:
1. Ocarina of Time - 240 points 2. Link to the Past - 207 points 3. Wind Waker - 172 points 4. Twilight Princess - 163 points 5. Majora's Mask - 159 points 6. Link's Awakening - 133 points 7. Skyword Sword - 130 points 8. Legend of Zelda (Nes) - 72 points 9. Minish Cap - 70 points 10. Oracle of Ages - 61 points 11. Oracle of Seasons - 60 points 12. (Tie) Four Swords Adventure and Adventure of Link - 39 points 14. Crossbow Training - 25 points 15. Link's Awakening DX - 15 points 16. Phantom Hourglass - 14 points 17. Spirit Tracks - 13 points 18. (Tie) All 3 CDI games, Beyond Good and Evil, Okami - 10 points 23. Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland - 9 points 24. (Tie) Darksiders, Star Fox Adventures - 8 points 26. (Tie)Dark Cloud, Game and Watch Zelda, Wind Waker HD - 7 points 29. 3D Dot Heroes - 6 points 30. Neutopia - 5 points 31. Illusion of Gaia - 4 points 32. Ittle Dew - 3 points 33. Alundra - 2 points 34. A Hat in Time - 1 point
Good job, NWR! Or at least me. The greatest poaster on these boards. All hail the king.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Mop it up on March 05, 2014, 07:44:18 PM
Nice job, Khushrenada.
I get the feeling that Wind Waker would be lower if not for the re-release.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: pokepal148 on March 06, 2014, 07:28:46 AM
Skyward Sword got around 130 more points then it deserved
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Ian Sane on March 06, 2014, 03:23:54 PM
I think Wind Waker and Skyward Sword got overrated because of how recently people would have been played them. But then I think Wind Waker gets overrated by its fans to compensate for the graphics controversy of its reveal. It's easier to make the argument that the graphics don't matter if the resulting game is a classic so they make sure to emphasize that it is one. I think both it and Twilight Princess have some very notable flaws but neither of them have to do with the graphics. TP is probably overrated as well for being the WW counter-point on the graphics debate. TP certainly looked more like the game I wanted but plays so close to OoT that I wonder if Nintendo made it generic on purpose to stick it to those that didn't like WW's graphics.
The three shittiest Nintendo-made Zeldas, and the only ones that I would encourage a newcomer to the series to skip outright, were at the bottom of the list. Sometimes life makes sense! Despite the differences of opinion you'll find on this board, we at least all know a bad Zelda game when we see one!
Though next we'll do a Top 10 Metroid and you-know-what won't be at the bottom and I'll lose faith in humanity again.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on March 06, 2014, 04:41:51 PM
I am with James on Spirit Tracks though. That game had some really great dungeons.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Khushrenada on March 06, 2014, 05:52:18 PM
Personally, I can't help but wonder if the age of the forums has something to do with the list. You've got Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker all in the top 3 which I think reflects the sort of generation we have on this board. Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask are also in that top 5 further rounding out the SNES - GC era. The only ones that are missing are the handheld games but Link's Awakening is right there at number 6 so it is only the GBC and GBA that fall a little lower.
It seems the console experience is the one people prefer considering how the handheld games did compared to their console counterparts.
Still, I do wonder a bit if the reason the newer Zeldas seem to rate lower from Wind Waker on is due to people just not having time to play them anymore and moving on. It could also be a question of access. I never had a GBC or GBA until a got the original DS which could play GBA games but by then, I'd missed out on Minish Cap and the Oracle games. That's one thing I've loved about the 3DS is having the virtual console and Ambassador program to finally be able to acquire these games and play them. I still haven't played Skyword Sword myself either because for some time, I'd fallen out of gaming but I seem to be getting back into it more and more and finally playing through some of my backlog.
Anyways, just some thoughts about the final lists that came to me when reviewing the data.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
I voted for Battle Quest in the staff version of this, and I was sad to see no one did the same in this one.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Ian Sane on March 06, 2014, 07:18:06 PM
I think the age of the forums affects the list but more in that a lot of us are the right age to have experienced the series throughout most, if not all, of its life. We played the games in the context of their release which is why a game like OoT topped the list while some kid who started with Skyward Sword would probably find OoT dated. It's less nostalgia but rather understanding the full context of the game's release. OoT was arguably the greatest game ever made when it came out. Skyward Sword was not and didn't come across as particularly ambitious for the time period it was released in.
I think we also have enough context to observe a small decline in the quality of recent Zelda games. Not that they're junk (at least when they don't have dumb touchscreen controls) but we often talk about what step Nintendo needs to take with Zelda, implying that we all kind of feel Zelda's best days are in the past and Nintendo needs to do something to shake things up. It's clear that the series' reliance of tropes introduced in earlier titles makes each new game a little less interesting to long time fans that can spot all the tropes a mile away. If you're a newcomer you'll just think this Zelda game kicks ass because those tropes are pretty good. But if you know the whole context of the series you get less from it. You were impressed when the idea was first introduced to you, which would be in an earlier game.
Do you consider polish or innovation more important? Is OoT a better game for introducing new ideas or TP for refining them?
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Mop it up on March 06, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Link's Crossbow Training is a good game, and probably one of the best "rail shooters" on the Wii. It just isn't going to stand up to a normal Zelda game for various reasons, but it is fun in its own right.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2014, 07:36:11 PM
Crossbow Training is to Zelda what Prime Hunters is to Metroid: a really good game in a completely different style from the rest of the series.
Title: Re: NWR Forums Top 10 Zelda Games
Post by: Shaymin on March 08, 2014, 07:34:07 PM
Khush, thanks for tallying up the list. I'm going to be referring to it heavily on Tuesday, for one thing.
