Post by: Archangel972 on June 11, 2003, 02:59:26 PM
Post by: Cube323 on June 11, 2003, 03:47:29 PM
I will bet anyone here $100 that the N-Gage fails BIG TIME! At $300 per system, I can almost guarantee it.
By the Way, my boss is 48 and he has had THREE GameBoys (GB/GBC/GBA) over the years we have worked together.
He's a Tetris junkie. It seems that alot of men his age are. I think this strongly contradicts the stupid "10 year old statement." Well that and the almost 200 million GB/GBC/GBA/GBA:SP's world wide.
Finally, I just introduced my boss to "Wario Ware" and it seems that he now has a new addiction. Wish I could get my cartridge back, lol!
Post by: joshnickerson on June 11, 2003, 04:00:38 PM
It's just your typical Microsoft and Sony-esque effort to make Nintendo look like it's for babies.
But I can understand why they would want to target an older audience. After all, to change the game, you have to unscrew the battery lid, remove the battery, take out the game card, replace the card, replace the battery and screw the lid back on. I mean, what kind of ten year old would have that kind of patience!
....come to think of it, who WOULD go to all that trouble when they could just slap in a copy of Metroid Fusion in their GBA and beat it in the time it takes to switch out games in the N-gage? Not many.
And to his statement that it isn't cool to take out a GBA SP in a public space on a Friday night? Like an N-gage would be any cooler?
I think Penny Arcade got it right when they said "It's like they took a s****y cell phone and combined it with an even s***ier game system".
I just think it's funny that Gamespot links to another article where the reviewer basically says Nintendo has nothing to fear from the Ngage.
Post by: Cap on June 11, 2003, 04:20:46 PM
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Post by: Archangel972 on June 11, 2003, 05:10:12 PM
I will admit that the one thing about Nokia's handheld that is N-Gaging (me am funny, haha!), is its Bluetooth online capabilities. Being able to use your handheld and connect to another handheld user far away to play a game is an exciting possibility. It is a capability that I hope Nintendo adopts for its next version of Gameboy. If they don't but Sony does, there will be a great handheld war and I honestly think that Sony will win out in the end. That's just my honest opinion.
Post by: Cube323 on June 11, 2003, 06:40:47 PM
As for Psp, I'm not sure if everyones aware of this, cause things look good for $ony right now. However I truly believe this system doesn't have a chance in hell. Pardon the expression, but it's true. By the time it launches their will be another 20 Million or more GBA/GBA:SP's on the market. Plus theres also the GBA player. Not to mention the fact that this system is rumored to cost over $200. Also this thing wont be small, not by a long shot, hardly the the sort of thing you can put in your pocket. Truthfully, I hate oversized hand helds, it's a ridiculous concept to make a "portable" device that you cant put in your pocket.
Finally, with "GameBoy Future" waiting in the wings for release in 2005. I'm sure Nintendo is preapring to knock the Psp out of the market. I guarantee you that GB:FUTURE will be smaller, cheaper, and more energy efficient. It will do everything Psp can do and more. Plus with developers like SquareEnix on their side, Nintendo can't lose.
By the way, I think this is $ony's last round at the top. The Wall Street Journal, along with a couple of other sources, predicts that $ony will lose HALF of their current user base to Nintendo and Microsoft during the next round of console wars. If you remember, they also predicted that Nintendo would lose much of its own user base when they opted for Cartridges instead of CD's during the N64's launch. We all know that prediction came true. Don't forget, with Square, Konami and Capcom bringing their best games to other systems, $ony has almost no unique, exclusive content.
I can see the writing on the wall.
But this is just my humble opinion/observation
Take It EZ folks
Post by: Archangel972 on June 11, 2003, 08:45:29 PM
Stealing Nintendo's market share is going to be alot tougher without exclusive content from Square, Enix, and all the other major 3rd parties. It's still too early to tell, but I think Sony will try to use Nintendo's current GBA strategy, but with a twist. Nintendo wants GBA users to go out and get a GCN so they can use the connectivity features. Sony on the other hand will convince PS2 (or PS3) users to go out and get their new handheld. There will be quite a few people out there getting one but I believe the price may not be attractive enough to garner consistently high sales. PSP will sell, perhaps even in droves at the outset, but not in the long run where Nintendo will have many of the main developers still working on games for GBA(and beyond). While saying that, I do think the PSP should not be shrugged aside and I believe it is the greatest threat to the Gameboy since Sega's Game Gear.
Speaking of the Game Gear, can anyone tell me how well it actually did? Perhaps I'm mistaken but I always thought that it had a sizable following but ultimately fell to Game Boy. Isn't it the handheld that threatened Game Boy the most? Or has there been another handheld that has performed even better against Game Boy?
Post by: nonjagged on June 11, 2003, 08:59:42 PM
Although I did look before I created the topic and there was no other thread on the topic.
This computer must be way-ass slow in loading up pages.
Or Im totally blind.
Nokia just lost another loyal customer who use to purchase their mobile phones.
You know whats funny though, Nintendo got a lot of negative feedback for using the GBA to appeal to oldschool gamers by most of its software being oldschool 16bit ports or simular developments.
And this dumbass Nokia spokesperson somewhow now wants to portray the GBA is aimed at "kiddies".
Whatever Nitnendo does it just cant be left alone. Critics aplenty.
Post by: Gibdo Master on June 11, 2003, 09:20:17 PM
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Nokia to gamers: F@CK YOU!
Wed, June 11 2003 - 1:40 PM
by: Gabe
As if the fact that the Nokia N-Gage is a pile of sh#t was not enough by itself to keep gamers everywhere from purchasing it, the head of Nokia’s entertainment division decided to insult his target audience. In an article over at Gamespot he had this to say regarding their competition.
"Game Boy is for 10-year-olds," said Ilkka Raiskinen, head of Nokia's entertainment and media arm. "If you're 20 or 25 years old, it's probably not a good idea to draw a Game Boy out of your pocket on a Friday night in a public space."
Dear Mr. Nokia, my name is Gabe. You might know me better as a member of the lucrative 18-25 year old male demographic. That’s right, I am a 24 year old early adopter with disposable income just burning a hole in my pocket and a thirst for the latest technological gadgets. I also happen to be a gamer which makes me the exact sort of person who might purchase your new cellular phone/portable game system. Unfortunately for you that will never happen.
Your first mistake was creating a dual purpose product that fails miserably at both of its purposes. Your phone is awkward and uncomely. Your game system is undesirable and insipid.
Your second mistake was in allowing Mr. Raiskinen to ever open his f@cking mouth in public. His statement is so absurd that it borders on the humorous. In fact if I were not quite certain that he was serious I would think it was a joke. Not a good idea to take out a game boy in a public place? Does this man even live on this planet? Did he make these comments from inside some kind of protective bubble orbiting the earth, insulated from the day to day happenings of it’s inhabitants? If I am out with my buddies on a Friday night and we are waiting in line for a movie or some other event I can guarantee that Game Boys will come out. Not one of my friends is without a GBA. They are practically a necessity at this point. Like bread or water. It is the poor young man still playing snake on his cell phone in the airport that gets the pitting look from our group.
We even strung our link cables across the seats in the airplane on our way to E3 in order to partake in some four player Puyo Pop. Whereas airline regulations will not even allow me to turn on your masterfully designed game system while anywhere near a f@cking airplane much less play a game to pass the time. Oh and speaking of great design, having to remove the battery in order to change games…brilliant.
Between your insulting advertising, sh#tty f@cking product and infuriating public comments it’s almost like you are TRYING to get gamers to hate you. I honestly cannot understand how a single company could make so many mistakes. I await your next move with absolute fear because at this rate there is no telling what you might do. Perhaps Nokia agents will scour the globe seeking out gamers and then kicking them firmly in the yam sack. Or maybe letters! Mailed out to gamers worldwide that upon opening release deadly nanomachines into the air that once inhaled by the gamer begin to devour him from the inside out. God only knows what horrors await us gamers at the hands of these Finnish devils. Stay vigilant my friends!
-Gabe out
Post by: Nintega on June 11, 2003, 09:31:02 PM
As for the Game Gear, not sure how much it sold but I think it did farely well. I know in Europe, games kept coming out for it or was that for the Sega Master System. The only handheld that I wished did better was the Neo Geo Pocket. Man I loved that thing just because of the games. I don't even think there was 1 bad game. It was the first to use that connectivity thing with the Dreamcast that Nintendo is currently doing with the GBA/GCN.
Post by: Cube323 on June 11, 2003, 09:37:46 PM
Your'e right about one thing for sure, Nintendo will not just ignore the approaching Psp. I'd bet we'll see a GBA:SP price drop in the fall, among other things. Like that GameCube/GB-Player combo pack.
As for GameGear, I don't think it did all that well unfortunately. I was an early adopter of that system, it actually sits nearby while I type this. It sucked batteries dry in a matter of hours and it had a limited game library. Still it had a couple of neat innovations. Like a Master System converter and a TV tuner. Still it was huge and it used way too much power, so unfortunately it died quickly.
Strangely enough, Sega re-released the GameGear about two years ago. The system sold for $30 and was mainly available at Toys r us. I heard this re-release was an attempt to discard unsold product from years before.
Post by: Dratatoo on June 12, 2003, 05:25:39 AM
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Game Boy is for 10-year-olds...
Lets not forget how a 20-25 year old should look like...
Nokia N-Lame advertising
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 12, 2003, 05:36:47 AM
*sticks out bottom lip and pouts, stomping off to my room*
Post by: aoi tsuki on June 12, 2003, 07:04:03 AM
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Finally, with "GameBoy Future" waiting in the wings for release in 2005.
Could you please post a link where this was announced? i notice you're quick to point this out in ever slightly relevant thread, although from what i can tell there's been no official announcement.
Post by: mouse_clicker on June 12, 2003, 11:29:31 AM
"The only one worried about being too much of a kid is in fact a kid. We adults worry about not having enough time to be a kid."
-giroml
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 12, 2003, 12:03:54 PM
However, I do NOT like this trend one bit. It worked very well for Sony in the past by spreading this kind of crap around. Look at the GameCube. In spite of common sense, there are still many who consider the console to be too "kiddy" to buy. I think those people should really take a look into the Penny Arcade archives myself, but they are present, and they aren't buying Nintendo products all the same. This could really be a huge setup for the PSP is what I am worried about.
Sony is going to be laughing about this for the next 10 years.
Post by: Cube323 on June 12, 2003, 12:35:53 PM
10 years from now, $ony won't even be in the console market. The Psp is a total $200+ joke. The writings on the wall for $ony. Truthfully, with their new focus on this ridiculous handheld, I think that $ony is spreading itself too thin. They don't even have a single decent 1st party game and they couldn't make a decent game if they tried.
The only reason $ony was ever successfull in the first place is because Nintendo screwed things up so badly with the N64. Now things have changed and all of the third parties that made the PSX big are now back w/ Nintendo (and Microsoft.)
As far as older gamers not buying Nintendo products. Thats just not true at all. Not one bit. I work in retail as a buyer. I sell tons of GC's and GBA's every single day to men and women over the age of 25. In fact two years ago, when the Ps2 was launched, we had a line of people waiting out front of my store. Now, two years later, I see many of those same people returning to buy GameCubes. Why? Because $ony can't fully satisfy gamers. Mainly because they are a heartless,evil corporation, whose only real goal in the game industry is to make money. Period. Once they can't do that, they will drop the Playstation brand like a hot stone.
It's like that old Doors song, "This is the end..."
Post by: Frodo Fett on June 12, 2003, 01:03:55 PM
1. Cost: The most obvious problem is the cost. The PSP will use CD technology, so it will cost at least $150, that's with no bonuses or add-ons (like being able to play music CD's). More than likely, the PSP will launch with a price over $200 or directly at $200.
2. Battery Life: A CD reader is going to suck up the batteries on this thing like nobodies business. Regular music CD player's eat up 2 AA batteries every 10 hours. A CD-reader that must read game CD's (and therefore, more data than a music CD reader) is going to eat through 2 AA batteries in about 5 hours. That's horrible battery-life and will cost a fortune.
3. Size: Take your portable CD player, add several buttons and a screen, and you've got the PSP. If the screen is fold-up (like the GBA SP), this this thing will be about the size of the PSOne. So much for the "Pocket" part of PSP.
4. Graphics: While the graphics on this thing will be better than the GBA's, more than likely, if it doesn't match the PS1's graphic standard, Sony could be in trouble. The PSP's main crowd will be the average mainstream gamer, and if they look at the new Playstation, and see it doesn't even match PS1 graphic quality, they're very likely to blow it off and buy another PS2 game instead.
Post by: Frodo Fett on June 12, 2003, 01:07:45 PM
Post by: JoeSmashBro on June 12, 2003, 01:47:23 PM
Gran Turismo
ICO
Twisted Metal
Ratchet and Clank
Jak and Daxter
Everquest
Dark Cloud 2
Sly Cooper and the Thievius Racoonus
Heck, they're a freaking platform game machine. Good ones, too.
Post by: blu knight on June 12, 2003, 02:14:40 PM
It'll definately be interesting to see how things work themselves out. Personally, I think competition will be healthy for the handheld market and I want Sony and Nokia to bring out the goods that will revolutionize handheld gaming. They do have a huge mountain to climb though ask Atari(Lynx) and Sega(GameGear/Nomad).
Post by: Cube323 on June 12, 2003, 03:02:32 PM
Frodo has the most intelligent post in this thread. Plus I gotta say I love that Mr. T photo. Mr.T gave me a hug at last years E3, dont ask why, and he was all sweaty and I was like "arghh." Seriously though, Mr. T rocks!
I agree with blu knight that competition is best for the gamer. This is always a fundemental truth. Still I actually dont think that 3rd parties will be quick to jump the psp bandwagon. In fact I'd bet they will be hesitant to leave a good thing. GB/GBC/GBA has been a reaaally good thing for third parties, and retailers. Its made alot of people a ton of money. Plus the GB/GBC/GBA has a bigger installed base than even the Ps2, GC, X-box, Dreamcast, and N64 combined.
By the time the Psp launches the GBA/GBA:SP installed base grow by another 20 million or more. Psp can NEVER catch up.
Plus don't forget about that GBPlayer, man I can't wait for that.
Nintendo has all of the best third parties back in their court. And many of them, like SquareEnix, are extremely pissed about their dealings with the heartless, greedy, evil $ony corporation. (Many, many, many devlopers have become disillusioned with the "$ony appraoch.") Plus with tax, this system will be over $200 US, not under. Which means it will be even more expensive elsewhere in the world. By the time Psp launches, GBA:SP will cost about $50. I bet we will see GBA:SP for $69.99 come this fall. Plus by the time Psp heads to the market, you will probably start to hear official word on the "GameBoy Future," which will really undermine the Psp launch. Nintendo has already admitted that it is devloping the GBA successor.
You know a couple of years from now we should all start a betting pool, lol. It will be interesting to see how things work out. This is certainly an great time to be a gamer.
This has been a great topic, with lots on intelligent feedback. Thanks everyone for your time.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 12, 2003, 05:58:32 PM
I know a few GBA developers, and the common thought among them is that the GBA is hugely oversaturated with games right now. The system has an ENORMOUS userbase, but the problem lies in that it is very quick and easy to make a game for GBA. There are SO MANY good games on the system, that it's almost impossible to sell your games on it. It wouldn't be a profitable system to develop for if it wasn't so easy to make a game for it.
I agree that Sony's hold on the market is slipping. A quick look around the internet will tell you that much. It's still the favored console by far, but there are a LOT of multi-console owners this time around. However, I think it's a little premature to be doing Sony's eulogy. They are still in the top spot, and they have a lot of support from the everyday consumer. It's going to take something massive to remove them. (Nintendo's new mascots perhaps?)
JoeSmashBro, those are mostly made by Sony's 2nd parties aren't they? I don't keep up with Sony news too much, but I don't think that Sony has any internal development teams, and they outsource, just as Microsoft does. AFAIK, Sega, 3D0, Atari and Nintendo are the only ones who made games themselves.
Post by: Cube323 on June 12, 2003, 06:44:40 PM
Your right on about one thing I agree with: there are way too many good games on the GBA:SP right now! Seriously thats not much of a complaint though. I just wish I had more time and money. As for developers, retailers, etc, I can't imagine that anyone would have a problem with a system that's producing buckets full of cash for all those involved.
ok, I'm done now
Post by: Bartman3010 on June 13, 2003, 04:21:00 AM
And the PSP, man, people are going to buy it simply because of the Playstation brand name. I can see it now, "40,000 PSP's under 1 weekend VS. 1,000 GBA's on the same weekend, Nintendo in trouble?" the way the world functions right now is very scary, kids will buy a PS2 like smoking a 'J' to rebel against daddy, and the PSP is no different.
'Playstation you say?'
'3D you say?'
(@*^ the GBA I'm gett--
okay thats enough exaggeration for now...
Post by: The Doc on June 13, 2003, 11:15:10 AM
The Doc
Post by: Ian Sane on June 13, 2003, 11:41:09 AM
Last time I checked it's the same thing with GBA vs PSP: optical medium vs cartridges. This time it's even 3D vs 2D! If the PSP provides more freedom for developers then what realistically is going to prevent another PSX/N64 situation? Nintendo's stranglehold of the portable market? Nintendo was the undisputed market leader when the N64 launched and that didn't help them in the longrun. The GBA's marketshare alone isn't going to stop the PSP. Now realistically I don't think it will be as big as the PSX/N64 situation but this "Nintendo is indestructable" attitude is exactly why Nintendo is in third place in consoles now.
Unless it's like $700 or has really crappy hardware the PSP WILL be a success. The Playstation brand name alone is too strong for it to be non-factor. Plus if the PS3 can link with the PSP then Sony will have a feature that can potentially sell PSPs to the likely huge future PS3 userbase. Nintendo should not ignore the PSP. Hopefully (and likely if they've learned from past mistakes) they aren't.
Post by: AdvancedGamer on June 13, 2003, 01:17:22 PM
Post by: aoi tsuki on June 13, 2003, 03:54:21 PM
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So none of you are even thinking about buying the PSP?
Actually, i've emailed NCS and had them put me on the call list for it. i didn't put any money down, so there's no commitment. Whether or not i'll go ahead and buy one depends mainly on Sony.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 13, 2003, 04:03:20 PM
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Originally posted by: AdvancedGamer
So none of you are even thinking about buying the PSP? Come on. Stop being fanboys. Your bashing the system already and you don't know jack about it. I was about to bash it too when I realized that I don't even know anything about it, it good be really cool, and I have some playstation games I would love to play on the go. If you can play your playstation games on it I would probably get it, then again if it seems bad I won't. Come on. Learn more about the system and then decide whether or not you want it. I also don't want to see Nintendo totally lose control of the portable market and that's what scares me, cuz I really love my game boy and my game boy games.
No I am not considering buying a PSP. For one thing I am a fanboy. It's against my rules to buy a non-Nintendo console.
But I am not bashing the system. Just because it's not Nintendo doesn't give me reason to hate it. I just think that the console has some serious problems to overcome before it can compete with GBA's successor. To me it looks like "Game Gear 2", rather than "GBA Killer". Do you remember the Sega handhelds? They were excellent examples of technology. They were in full color, speedy, and they even made one model that would play Genesis games. However, GameBoy took them all on, and kicked butt. Tetris was a big part of that, but GameBoy had endurance, durability, and a much smaller size. GameGear was HUGE, and couldn't be seperated from a power socket for long. The game lineup and better technology did little to help it.
I think I have good reason to be suspicious of the PSP at this point in time considering that no pictures or specs have been released yet, other than Sony's usual heavily inflated claims. (remember "Jurrasic Park" quality graphics on the original Playstation?)
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 13, 2003, 04:57:23 PM
And the surveyPSP Info doesn't give out any statistical figures on how many people were questioned about the PSP. For all I know 20 people were asked and those 20 people know represent the entire audience.
Bottom line: The PSP is nice on paper, but until Sony gives us something more that attention-grabbing hype, I see to reason to start worrying about buying one.
Post by: cubedcinder128 on June 13, 2003, 07:29:33 PM
So what do I think of Nokia's slam on the GBA? Oh please... didn't Sega say something like that when advertising the ill-fated Game Gear? I sense an episode of Deja Vu approaching...
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 13, 2003, 11:24:41 PM
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Originally posted by: cubedcinder128
Oh please... didn't Sega say something like that when advertising the ill-fated Game Gear?
I am going to catch holy hell from the Sega fans on this board... but I find Sega's old commercials... "Sega does what Nintendoesn't" to be extremely funny these days, as Sega was forced to quit and is 3rd party, and Nintendo isn't. I guess that statement was very true, but ahead of its time.
Post by: ActorJ on June 14, 2003, 12:29:19 AM
End rant.
Anyway, point it, you cannot lump GG in with all the other failed handhelds. I question whether you can even consider the Wonderswan or Neo Geo failed, they both had respectable runs.
As for sony PSP, not sure how an n-gage thread got turned into a PSP thread, but while I would bet any money that the n-gage is DOA due to the crappy design of the system, and the poor wuality of the software, I would also bet any money that the PSP will be at the very least a moderate success, and most likely much more. It will have a good design, and it will have good software. That makes all the difference in the world.
Insidently, the same principle works for Nintendo, I love the SP so much, I' buy one is every colour if I could afford such extravegance.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on June 14, 2003, 06:26:53 AM
Post by: nonjagged on June 14, 2003, 09:41:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Ms.Pikmin
I am a 33 year old mom who plays her GBA SP in the car while waiting for .... As far as the comment about not taking the SP out in public, I will take it out of my purse and play in front of people whenever I am stuck in line or any other situation where I have to wait.
And Im a transvestite, and I cant wait to get my hands on one of those kool N-gage handhelds.
Okay slightly blunt joke there.
In my opinion 3rd party developers will flock to the PSP because $ony will deminish any royalty fees for them as the incentive for them to leave the GB platforms, just as $ony did with psx royalty fees which used a cheap cd based format like the PSP will be using.
However 3rd parties will still develope "kiddie" games and will develope them for GB platforms as I bet $ony pushes the PSP as being the hardcore/rebelious/edgy/etc and will use gimmicky software like GTA3 PSP to sell the handheld.
The other reason why the PSP will sell extremely well is that the special mini-discs are recordable which allows uses to download/update/skins//patch/software or add new levels etc but also in my opinion I can see $ony encouraging uses to rip their favourite mp3's for in-game background music.
However great the PSP will be, the question we must all be asking is how long will Nintendo let the PSP gather marketshare?
My opinion is 6months absolute tops until the GBN64 (that N64 in a GameBoy) will come out featuring Nintendo's newer cart technology which they recently invested 10million into a company.
Also in my opinion the carts will have RAM memory chips that will allow uses to store extra information like new downloadable levels etc.
The only question that should be pondered in this topic is how long Nintendo will allow the PSP sell until it (Nintendo) unleashes the more advanced GBN64? (More advanced than PSP which has been announced will have many PS2 chips in it and the unit will be very cheap as there is already a production line for most of the chips for the PSP)
My speculation is 8weeks, if Nintendo launches their next handheld after the PSP.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on June 14, 2003, 11:01:16 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on June 14, 2003, 11:22:42 AM
Yes, we're fanboys because we don't feel like laying down $150+ on a system ON TOP of what we already have. I own a Gamecube, PS2, and GBA- that's ALL I can afford right now (in fact, it's more than I can afford). Contrary to popular belief, gamers do not have money coming out the wazoo and another console to support is simply out the question for me. I'm sure the PSP will have some great games that I will love, but financially there's no way I'm getting a PSP- I'm perfectly content with my GBA and that's all that really matters. If you want more reasons I have for not wanting a PSP, read my thread on the matter.
"And the PSP, man, people are going to buy it simply because of the Playstation brand name."
If I've said this once, I've said it a thousand times- *brand recognition is not something you can rely on*. If you want proof about that, look at how Sega took over half the market from Nintendo, then Sony took over half of the rest, and then Microsoft took over half of THAT. If name recognition worked so well, Nintendo would still be #1.
"Last time I checked it's the same thing with GBA vs PSP: optical medium vs cartridges. This time it's even 3D vs 2D! If the PSP provides more freedom for developers then what realistically is going to prevent another PSX/N64 situation?"
Nintendo releasing a new GameBoy with similar technology- seriously, what makes you guys think Nintendo's going to ride out the GBA/SP through the PSP? Yamauchi's not the president anymore- Iwata is, so forget about all the firm as rock stuff we've seen fromthe past. The Big N's going to be flexible now.Nintendo's hard at work tinkering on the next GameBoy and you can bet IT'S going to be the one to compete with the PSP, not the GBA/SP.
Post by: NintendoKiD on June 14, 2003, 09:05:39 PM
The price will be a bit high and probably be $149.95. Just wait a few weeks and it may come bundled or a price drop. Nintendo better start putting some awesome GB games out because I have a feeling Sony is going to be some good competition. Even if you still say NO GB PSNZOOORXZZZZ TEH $ONY!!!! Well looks at it this way. Playstation VS N64. Playstation 2 VS GC. Sale wise Sony dominates...now PSP vs GBA.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 14, 2003, 09:33:56 PM
About battery life: I've got a friend with a laptop. He says the thing will stay up for maybe 8 hours on a full charge if you don't access the CD drive. And laptops surely have larger batteries than your average handheld console.
KiD: Last time I checked GTA 1 and 2 were available for GBA for a long time now. Unless they try to make a GTA3 on PSP (forget it, not even Sony claims it can do that) it's nothing the GBA doesn't have.
The developers will probably stay with GBA. After all, do you know how the PSP will turn out? Are you willing to shell out 10-100 times the money just to develop for a risky platform? Most publishers aren't. Also, if you already have to deal with polygons, skins, etc, why not make it for a desktop machine? That way you have the userbase you need and more power for better shots (marketing loves graphics!). Surely, this won't be a 100-0 situation, some will develop for PSP, but most have experience by now. Didn't Rockstar say that at first the contract seemed nice, later they regretted it?
Ah, er, how does one save games on the PSP? Write to disk? I hope not, RWs have a low limit for overwrites. USB memory sticks? Sounds much better.
Post by: Blackfire on June 14, 2003, 09:38:56 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on June 15, 2003, 01:26:20 AM
psp doesn't concern me. First its a $200 handhand held. It probably won't be small. And truthfully I worry about using a handheld that uses an optical disc format. Even with anti-skip technology, there are bound to be problems. I'm suprised no one has mentioned that. Personally, I don't think people will buy it because it is made by sony, in fact I think that may actually drive people away. they dont exactly have the best rep when it comes to reliable, portable electronics. I can't imagine spending over $200 on a system that may start skipping like the psx and ps2 are notorious for doing. plus very few parents are going to pay $200 for a handheld, which will shut many kids out. For that price, you could buy a console.
back to the topic, if GBA is for kids, then the N-gage is for fools looking to waste $300+
Post by: Fish on June 15, 2003, 05:48:53 AM
I hope that N-gage wont be a total flop because im from Finland and own some Nokia stocks, wouldent want then to get worthless npw
But better sell them before N-gage is released. :/
Post by: KDR_11k on June 15, 2003, 06:25:04 AM
Post by: nonjagged on June 15, 2003, 06:34:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Ms.Pikmin
nonjagged, do you think I'm lying? I think it's funny that I would say something about myself to show support of GBA and that it is not just for kids, and you mock me. The person who said his 48 year old boss had one wasn't mocked, or was that because he is a man and you just cannot believe a grown woman would play on one these things? Anyway, I know I'm not the typical user, but that was part of my point. I don't have anything to gain by posting a lie.
Thank you for your concern etc but to put your mind at a little more ease, I was not implying you where lying or anything I was not being sexist, you misinterpreted a joke, a shallow insult directed at Nokia not mothers.
I thought it was fitting that competition (M$, N0kia etc) that wants to enter a new market (this being the gaming industry) should respect the players that are already there and not mock them with ridiculous insults.
I thought it was standard knowledge that GBA can appeal to any markets who have the time to be interact with a handheld while picking up their kiddies, waiting in line in the cinemas, on a train trip, etc and that if newbie competition wants to disrepect its userbase, then intimidated userbase will express its feelings by mocking/dissing the guilty party in return as a gesture of goodwill.
Post by: nonjagged on June 15, 2003, 06:53:55 AM
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Originally posted by: NintendoKiD
Despite the popular belief, I am NOT a Playstation fanboy,... The PSP is coming out NOW, which means Sony is going to have everything you wanted in the GB and more.
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Actually 1.5 years is not NOW. Its 1.5 years away.
And since the GCN 2 is coming out in 2005 (while GCN will still be getting reasonable support for a few years after that also) you can bet their will be a newer handheld to compliment the GCN2.
Now if you do the math, the GBN64 will come out just after the late 2004 launch of PSP but the GBN64 will be more powerful and load software practically realtime. Its just a matter of which 3rd parties want to start a war with Nintendo by then only doing kiddies games on GB platforms while doing shallow/violent games for the PSP so $ony can get more hype.
Post by: Blackfire on June 15, 2003, 08:53:21 AM
Post by: Cap on June 15, 2003, 09:56:06 AM
sony will be in a position that the have never been in when they launch the psp, and thats launching against a hugely successful system. the ps came out at the end of the snes lifetime, and the ps2 made it out before both the gamecube and xbox.by the time the psp comes out, they will have a very hard time stealing marketshare becouse of the huge existing userbase, the large number of games, and great third party support that may not see a reason to develop for a new portable whoevers name may be on it(comparable to the postion the ps2 is in in the home market). sony did great with both the ps and ps2, but they have never launched against an existing user base before. i'm not saying that sony cant come in and take over(or at least steal some marketshare from nintendo), i just dont think that it will come as quick or easily as it did in the home market.
Post by: AgentSeven on June 15, 2003, 01:53:08 PM
Plus, with all of sony's stranglegold exclusivity deals with their third parties coming to an end, I doubt that psp will have any unique games what soever. I can already see the psp lauch line-up, Crash Bandicoot 12, Gran Turismo 18, and so on. As far as shallow, overly hyped ultra violent games, Nintendo will have those as well. Rockstar games, the makers of GTA, has openly expressed their disgust over their dealings with sony. So it looks like GTA GC is on its way, with possible handheld versions to follow.
psp doesn't have a chance. It's an over-priced, over-hyped, over-sized peice of electronic junk. Plus it's made by sony, the kings of faulty hardware. This thing uses an optical disc format, meaning that just like the PSX and the Ps2 before it, the system will probably start skipping and showing "disc read errors" soon after your warranty expires. Everyone who has owned a sony system, or knows someone who does, knows exactly what Im talking about.
Post by: blu knight on June 15, 2003, 03:57:39 PM
Hey anybody know if Nintendo loses any money on the GBAsp hardware and if so how much?
Post by: Blackfire on June 15, 2003, 04:16:39 PM
Now I am almost POSITIVE on this, the N-Gage is going to fail. Who wants to develop games for a crappy cell phone company? Who does Nokia even have on their side? This is their first console, what do they know about REAL gaming?
The PSP is going to have many devlopers on their side despite what anyone says. We all know for a fact most publishers that work for GB are going to publish titles for both systems, even though Nintendo will get the good exclusives like Zelda and Mario. Sony will most likely have a GTA game on the PSP guarenteed, it made the PS2 and it would be stupid if it wasnt on their handheld console.
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psp doesn't have a chance. It's an over-priced, over-hyped, over-sized peice of electronic junk. Plus it's made by sony, the kings of faulty hardware. This thing uses an optical disc format, meaning that just like the PSX and the Ps2 before it, the system will probably start skipping and showing "disc read errors" soon after your warranty expires. Everyone who has owned a sony system, or knows someone who does, knows exactly what Im talking about.
Why wouldnt the PSP have a chance? Over priced? Do you know the official price? If so please tell me I'd love to know. Over hyped? Has there even been commercials and adds? Over sized? Have you seen it yet? If so I'd love to see a picture. Kings of faulty hardware huh? I've had my PSX for atleast 3 years and it still runs and looks new, even after its been thrown in backpacks slammed on the grown and lugged over to friends houses.
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Plus, with all of sony's stranglegold exclusivity deals with their third parties coming to an end, I doubt that psp will have any unique games what soever. I can already see the psp lauch line-up, Crash Bandicoot 12, Gran Turismo 18, and so on. As far as shallow, overly hyped ultra violent games, Nintendo will have those as well. Rockstar games, the makers of GTA, has openly expressed their disgust over their dealings with sony. So it looks like GTA GC is on its way, with possible handheld versions to follow.
Sonys exclusive deals are coming to an end? What makes you so sure that the parties wont devlop exclusivly for the best selling console? I also highly doubt Nintendo will have any"overly hyped ultra violent games" If Rockstar is so disgusted with Sony then why do they continue to make other games such as Midnight Club? GTA isnt the only game you make ya know.
My point is nobody should be slamming on any consoles until we know facts (flaming of the N-gage is ok because its an accident waiting to happen). You have seen the Playstations success even when the N64 had better hardware, you see now the PS2 is the best selling console with many exclusive games, so what makes you so sure that the PSP is going to be gigantic failure?
Post by: kennyb27 on June 15, 2003, 04:41:59 PM
QuoteSure its possible. It wouldn't be very portable then though. And if they put wireless internet capabilities into the system, the price would probably skyrocket.
Why would anyone want to go online with a portable gaming system (is that even possible?)
Post by: AgentSeven on June 15, 2003, 06:24:20 PM
I can point you to over a dozen consumer advocacy groups that list real consumer complaints reguarding all of sony's poorly made products. Sony likes to call this style of manufacturing "planned obsolecense." Meaning that when you warranty dies, so does your system.
By the way, didn't you used to be called "Nintendo Kid?" I though you just said that you got rid of your GC for a ps2? Yet in this post, you only mention owning a PSX. After reading your other posts, I must say, you lack credibility.
As for the psp price, its common knowledge that the system will cost over $200 US. Also a case of you not doing your homework. Look around and you will find many sites with information that back up this fact.
Finally, just by reading the specs for the machine and seeing the mini-disc that Ken kuturagi showed at E3, you know the psp can not be small. There's just no way. I bet this things bigger than a GameGear, and just as much of a failure, if not more so. As I said before, psp doesn't have a chance.
Post by: Blackfire on June 15, 2003, 07:36:56 PM
I have not had any problems with my Sony systems, nor have my friends.
"By the way, didn't you used to be called "Nintendo Kid?" I though you just said that you got rid of your GC for a ps2? Yet in this post, you only mention owning a PSX. After reading your other posts, I must say, you lack credibility."
Apparently you can't read, I clearly said I gave my GC too my little sister so I can get a PS2, if you want to know every system I own, I own a Game Boy Pocket, PSX, NES, and PS2.
"As for the psp price, its common knowledge that the system will cost over $200 US. Also a case of you not doing your homework. Look around and you will find many sites with information that back up this fact."
Common knoweledge? So you just know the price is going to be $200, do you know that for a fact? Nope. Do you think Sony is going to release a handheld system for more then their gaming console sells for? Use your head.
"Finally, just by reading the specs for the machine and seeing the mini-disc that Ken kuturagi showed at E3, you know the psp can not be small. There's just no way. I bet this things bigger than a GameGear, and just as much of a failure, if not more so. As I said before, psp doesn't have a chance. "
And whys that? There are computer chips the size of a fingernail that can process billions of actions per second. Theres chips that can make blind people see, so why cant the system be small? Your not really stating any realistic facts, your opinion is PSP SUCKS AND THATS THAT. The PSP can suck of course, but it can also be good. As I have said before Sony has yet to meet failure.
Post by: Ms.Pikmin on June 15, 2003, 07:48:35 PM
Post by: AgentSeven on June 15, 2003, 08:27:23 PM
Also with a proposed 4.5 screen, this system is already bigger than the original GBA. The mini DVD alone is bigger than my GBA:SP when it's closed. Common sense.
As for sony's lack of technical quality, this is a WELL DOCUMENTED FACT. I truly think you are in denial about this FACT, and that your rabid fan-boyism refuses to let you admit this FACT.
Here's a couple of links. I'm not trying to flame sony, it just seems that their systems are junk and they don't care about ripping people off. That really get's me steamed, when giant evil corporations essentially say "screw you" to the consumer.
http://www.turnto10.com/consumerunit/1868407/detail.html
http://www.recallannouncements.com/your_voice/articles/
These are just a couple of sites. I can provide dozens more.
So in the end, psp will probably be the same faulty garbage that the psx and the ps2 were. Also, regurdless of chip size, with the 4.5 inch screen and the mini-dvd, the systems already bigger than the original gba. This, in my opinon, makes the system too large. I wan't something that I can put in my pocket, and a system that plays great games. Not a wanna-be mini-dvd player.
Oh and by the way, I can read. Here's what you had to say about the ps2 you bought. This was posted in your epic, flame bait thread entitled "bye,bye gamecube."
quote "Today I gave my Gamecube and Animal Crossing to my little sister. I took my 12 other games + the N64 and a few N64 games we had and sold them at GameStop for a brand new PS2. For about $80 I bought a PS2+Broad band adapter, SOCOM, GTA III, and Midnight Club Street Racing. My GameCube just couldnt satisfy my gaming needs," end quote
Then in another of your threads you posted -quote " so I was going to pick up a cheapy PS2 game maybe FF7, and a GBA, maybe SP if I have enough."
God, I love that line about about "your gaming needs" lmao
Post by: nonjagged on June 15, 2003, 10:06:50 PM
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Originally posted by: blu knight
I'm not against the idea of multiple handheld consoles but I don't understand how it will be possible for systems like the PSP and N-gage to successfully compete directly with the GBA. Look at systems like the wounderswan and NeoGeo pocket, both had only moderate success(in Japan at that) when competing against the likes of Gameboy color. I hate to write off a console before launch but to say that either PSP or N-gage will topple the GBA is too strong a statement right now. Surely both systems will sport enhanced 3D graphics and online capabilities which cannot be had on the GBA. But Nintendo still hasn't realized the full potential of the GC/GBA/GB player connection technology either, and once they do owners of these systems will have less reasons to go buy Sony or Nokia's offerings. I am intersted in the PSP(not so much the N-gage)but the price tag and batterylife are big issues with handheld systems.
Hey anybody know if Nintendo loses any money on the GBAsp hardware and if so how much?
In my opinion Nintendo are no way making losses on GBA. It was built with plastic casing and no in-built audio plug fo ra reason. Big N have made a killing on it and all the huge profits are going into the next-gen handheld.
As to your post, thats some common sense reporting there, which I agree to.
PS: I did report that $ony has made a statement that PSP will NOT be expensive because it will be using ps2 chips in it which are already in production, already have production lines.
Sure it will be more expensive than GBA SP by the time this bohemoth of a handheld comes out in late 2004 (by then the SP will be soooo cheap) but even the PSP features of built-in digital camera and allwoing gamers to do face-mapping in GTA game PSP software will be a huge drawcard for the major gaming market being in my opinion well-off mainstreamers, who dont give a hoot about dodgy technological products $ony is known for.
In my opinion the PSP will probably more compliment the PSX $ony server due late 2004 and the PSP will be more of a PDA for the PSX $ony server.
Thats why M$ is not competing and working on a handheld. Becuase the ps2 has embarressed M$ to the point where M$ are mentally scarred and too scared to launch any other risky gaming ventures because M$ must recoup the billion$ it has lost on the box version 1 before it "will arrogantly claim" they are here to win the war.
On the other hand $ony is out for the IT yuppy-mainstreamers while Nintendo will stick with gaming-only markets.
I think there are markets for everyone. Just if only M$ and N0kia try crawling back under their rocks before they make idiotic public announcements, they should at least be in the position where they can make the statements, which clearly they are not.
Oh and remeber the hype $ony created about the PS3 and the IBM Cell chip? Well $ony have announced that the Cell chip wont be ready before 2007 (i believe) meaning the PS3 will not be the Cell System, it will be the Bombed-Out System, now that M$ has copied Nintendo and gone with ATI for the Xbox2. First $ony copied Nintendo by getting IBM to do CPU chips and now M$ have copied Nintendo by getting ATI to do GPU chips.
Which furthermore streangthens my case that Nintendo is always one generation ahead of any competion that comes and goes but for a new-age surprise it appears GCN2 will be the first console to launch during the net-gen which is a total surprise.
GCN2 must indeed be the best console ever made (as some reports have claimed will be) if Nintendo arent even waiting to see what Nintendo-copied-architecture the competition will be using.
</end taking a skull hammer onto thy competition>
Post by: tech9 on June 16, 2003, 01:40:49 AM
Im 31. Im a onsite network/pc technician. Playing games on my cell phone is not an option for me. My cell phone is used for one thing and that is making money by taking care of customers and lining up new clients.
I dont need a dead battery or worn out buttons (from all the gaming) on a device that i rely on to make a living.
Are they actually pitching this nokia n gauge to business people (in which case it would surely flop) or are they trying to get teen age boys and girls (no offense to the teens on here) who are signed up on mom and dads family plan? My guess they are hoping to get both markets cornered, which in that case they are in for a rude awakening.
As the previous posters stated, this is a gaming device first and a phone (and a damn poor one at that) second.
Again im 31 and dont have any problem playing my GBA in public places in between work or at jobsites if im not busy.
This statement from nokia is nothing more than a poor and might i add..DESPERATE sales pitch, and the Nguage should be left to the model railroading hobby, or it can join the long list of wannabe competitors that have tried to dethrone the GB/GBC/and GBA so many times before.
Nothing more than hot air!!
mark
Post by: Blackfire on June 16, 2003, 10:41:45 AM
Post by: Uglydot on June 16, 2003, 11:49:09 AM
Post by: AgentSeven on June 16, 2003, 12:12:12 PM
Also I'm whooping you "butt" with knowledge and FACTS, something you cant seem to handle, or even respond too.
As for my links being b.s., I have HUNDREDS more. Are they all b.s. as well? All of these people can't be lying can they.
Again, sony makes the worst garbage on the market. Period. If you wan't me to provide more proof, just let me know, as I relish ANY oppotunity to spread the word on this evil corporation.
No you may have noticed that I hate sony. This is %100 true. However, I'm not totally loyal to Nintendo. I also love my X-box, my Sega Dreamcast (and every other Sega System), my original Atari 2600, which still funtions after 20 years, my Neo Geo AVS+Neo Pocket, and the PC. I just love gaming.
When sony entered the scene, I was really excited. In fact I even got a job with them just as the PSX was about to release. It was through working for them, and seeing their evil first hand, that I developed my hatred of this corrupt, greedy, money hungry corporation. They don't give a crap about quality, only money.
By the way, no one takes better care of their systems than I do. I own over 30 game systems! I've been an avid game collector for the past 10 years. I have over 300 Atari-2600 games alone! Every one of my systems works flawlessly , with the exception of my original psx, which is a poorly built peice of junk, pretty much like every thing else sony makes.
Good Day
Post by: AgentSeven on June 16, 2003, 12:13:39 PM
Also I'm whooping you "butt" with knowledge and FACTS, something you cant seem to handle, or even respond too.
As for my links being b.s., I have HUNDREDS more. Are they all b.s. as well? All of these people can't be lying can they.
Again, sony makes the worst garbage on the market. Period. If you wan't me to provide more proof, just let me know, as I relish ANY oppotunity to spread the word on this evil corporation.
No you may have noticed that I hate sony. This is %100 true. However, I'm not totally loyal to Nintendo. I also love my X-box, my Sega Dreamcast (and every other Sega System), my original Atari 2600, which still funtions after 20 years, my Neo Geo AVS+Neo Pocket, and the PC. I just love gaming.
When sony entered the scene, I was really excited. In fact I even got a job with them just as the PSX was about to release. It was through working for them, and seeing their evil first hand, that I developed my hatred of this corrupt, greedy, money hungry corporation. They don't give a crap about quality, only money.
By the way, no one takes better care of their systems than I do. I own over 30 game systems! I've been an avid game collector for the past 10 years. I have over 300 Atari-2600 games alone! Every one of my systems works flawlessly , with the exception of my original psx, which is a poorly built peice of junk, pretty much like every thing else sony makes.
Back to topic, the intelligent post made by Tech 9 says it all. It's one of the best posts in this thread.
Post by: blu knight on June 16, 2003, 02:45:59 PM
Post by: Blackfire on June 16, 2003, 03:59:29 PM
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Also I'm whooping you "butt" with knowledge and FACTS, something you cant seem to handle, or even respond too.
You have yet to prove an actualy fact. In your opinion Sony sucks, who cares about your opinion? If Sony sucks so much, please explain how they are #1 in sales. Sony makes a crappy product? Why because your Sony systems broke? I suggest you take better care, my Sony electronics work perfectly fine and have been for years. So wheres the fact?
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As for my links being b.s., I have HUNDREDS more. Are they all b.s. as well? All of these people can't be lying can they.
Once again you get FACT and OPINION confused. My Sony electronics serve me well, hence Sony makes a good product. Here maybe you will understand this, FACT - 1+1=2 Opinion - Oranges taste better then apples. See you can have an arguement over an opinion, not over a fact.
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Again, sony makes the worst garbage on the market. Period. If you wan't me to provide more proof, just let me know, as I relish ANY oppotunity to spread the word on this evil corporation.
Worst garbage on the market, yet they are number 1 in sales hmm...
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When sony entered the scene, I was really excited. In fact I even got a job with them just as the PSX was about to release. It was through working for them, and seeing their evil first hand, that I developed my hatred of this corrupt, greedy, money hungry corporation. They don't give a crap about quality, only money.
I really could careless if Sony only cared about preserving water, let alone money. They make a good console with great games that make me happy and provide me with tons of fun. Your OPINION is they are a corrupt,greedy,money hungry coporation, FACT is your describing Microsoft
So you see you have yet to prove a solid fact about Sony and you dont answer any of my questions, you just avoid them. If sony sucks so much why are they #1 in sales? Seriously I really want to know because Sony sucks right? They suck so much they are #1 in sales.
Post by: AgentSeven on June 16, 2003, 06:17:10 PM
Also I didn't have to resort to childish flaming, or lies, like yourself. Need I quote some of your other threads? Oh wait, I already proved you were a liar earlier in this topic.
sony may be number #1, but they don't make the most money on systems or games, Nintendo does. Plus Nintendo fans buy more games per system.
I've said it before, and I will say it again, no one takes better care of their systems than me. I still own my original Atari 2600, a system that is older than you are. Obviously, you never even read my thread. sony makes JUNK. Period.
Here are some more links to people who reported serious complaints with sony's electronic garbage
http://www.minidisc.org/sony_carmdletter.html
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/sony.htm (a govt. website)
http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000040.html
http://web2.iadfw.net/bcunning/sonysux.htm
http://www.turnto10.com/consumerunit/1868407/detail.html
http://www.recallannouncements.com/your_voice/articles/
The list goes on and on and on...... Apparently you are the only on here who is affraid of the truth. sony makes junk consoles and their own first party software is a joke, with a few notable exceptions.
I think your just angry because I have repeatedly made you look foolish. Pretty good for a person with a "5 year old mind." LMAO By the way, as a game collector, I have game systems that are older than you are, lol.
Post by: Blackfire on June 16, 2003, 07:48:40 PM
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I have proven everything that I have previously stated. Plus I backed them up with SOLID FACTS. Your the only one here who has a problem with the TRUTH.
What have you proved? You dont like Sony? Wow...you haven't backed up anything with "SOLID FACTS", and what "TRUTH" are you talking about? 3 Year old kids cant seem to make sense
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Also I didn't have to resort to childish flaming, or lies, like yourself. Need I quote some of your other threads? Oh wait, I already proved you were a liar earlier in this topic.
I didnt flame (whatever that is) or lie, everything I said was truthfull and please quote some of my other threads, I back them up 100%.
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sony may be number #1, but they don't make the most money on systems or games, Nintendo does. Plus Nintendo fans buy more games per system.
You know nothing. Absolutly nothing. Sony makes more money the Nintendo PERIOD. Sony doesnt just make consoles ya know. See, theres this thing called a TELEVISION you might have one since you own a GameCube. Anyway Sony makes those, along with high quality speakers, sterios, computers, and tons of electronics. They dont make money off games since they dont develop their own, but they do make tons off the system, and by being #1 in sales im pretty sure they make a hefty profit.
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I've said it before, and I will say it again, no one takes better care of their systems than me. I still own my original Atari 2600, a system that is older than you are. Obviously, you never even read my thread. sony makes JUNK. Period.
Good for your taking care of your system, the child is growin up! Good little boy, want some cookies and milk? I didnt read your thread because its full of nonsense. Your just another nintendo fanboy who needs to open his eyes and look around. If Sony makes junk, then Junk is #1, what would that make Nintendo?
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I think your just angry because I have repeatedly made you look foolish. Pretty good for a person with a "5 year old mind." LMAO By the way, as a game collector, I have game systems that are older than you are, lol
Hehe this made me laugh (gotta love the intelligence of dumb people) You made me look foolish huh. Thats why you havent answered my questions and havent proved a solid fact yet. You have game systems older then me, wow, I have nickels and pennies older then you.
Your next post please post something worth reading, not your usual crap about how sony makes bad products because they dont. Each time you say that I just go to the truthfull fact about how they are #1 in sales and make you look even more stupid then you already are. Atleast make an attempt to prove me wrong, your doing a horrible job.
Post by: AgentSeven on June 16, 2003, 09:17:01 PM
I have proven that there are a LARGE NUMBER of complaints against sony and it's products. In the links I provided you can find literally hundreds of real complaints made by consumers. All of this is fact. you didn't even check the links, so how can you say they are false.
Of course sony makes more money than Nintendo. They are a billion dollar internation company that owns a movie studio and is one of the biggest electronics manufacturers in the world. All Nintendo makes is great systems and great games.
However when it comes to just video games, Nintendo makes more money. Period. Your ignorance of this fact shows just how uninformed you might be. Don't believe me about this fact? Ask someone on this site.
Finally, I've also proven that you've lied in you previous posts, and contradicted yourself on many occasions. What is your response to this? Childish name calling and rabid, hysterical flaming.
Give it a rest because your starting to look like a fool.
By the way, did I mention the fact that sony products are junk? Check the links...
Post by: RickPowers on June 16, 2003, 09:28:37 PM
