Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Kytim89 on July 13, 2013, 10:35:47 PM
I do not think that they need to be fired. However, I do think that they need to be called into the principal's office and be given a set of guidelines to straighten the Wii U out.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: UncleBob on July 13, 2013, 10:59:56 PM
I think Sessler is a leftover hack from a failed network who now judges a reality show and works as the "executive producer" of the arm of the arm of the freaking Discovery Channel.
Remind me again why anyone should care about his thoughts on how a multi-million dollar international company with a legacy that spans over a hundred years should operate?
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Shaymin on July 13, 2013, 11:18:45 PM
Wake me up when he suggests who not only would, but COULD replace Iwata given Nintendo's corporate structure.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Adrock on July 13, 2013, 11:23:43 PM
Adam Sessler (and Dan Hsu) made better points other than calling for Reggie and Iwata to be fired. They're also the same things we've already talked about on NWR. Nintendo launched with New Super Mario Bros. U and still hasn't released another major first party game (no, I don't count Game and Wario as major) and won't until Pikmin 3 which, as Sessler said, won't sell consoles. Honestly, The Wind Waker HD should have been a launch window title (yes, alongside NSMBU). I have no idea what could possibly be taking that game so long, especially considering Aonuma has stated there won't be new dungeons. It is frustrating as Nintendo fans to sit here knowing that we all buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games yet listen to Nintendo say they weren't ready or prepared to develop HD games. If you don't have games to sell, don't launch a console until you do. After early adopters buy the thing, who's left? I understand games take time to develop, but once 3DS started struggling, Nintendo should have reconsidered their strategy with Wii U.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Kytim89 on July 13, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
Reggie and Iwata should not be fired, but Nintendo needs to change its habits.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 14, 2013, 12:35:18 AM
I firmly believe the real problem with Nintendo is the shareholders. Iwata's hands are tied because he feels forced to show a profit in the short term, which he's getting by poor long-term planning. If you replace him you'll only get someone more beholden to them.
And who is the president of Nintendo of America really isn't relevant to these kinds of discussion. As much as I'd love to see Bill Trinen in the position, until Nintendo's internal culture changes the NOA President doesn't have enough authority to matter.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2013, 02:03:41 AM
I think Sessler is a leftover hack from a failed network who now judges a reality show and works as the "executive producer" of the arm of the arm of the freaking Discovery Channel.
Not his fault the network sucks. Honestly, we've talked about the same thing here before and I'm sure you weren't this biased against Ian Sane or Broodwars. ;)
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Kytim89 on July 14, 2013, 02:47:05 AM
Over the years of watching Adam Sessler display some of his opinions about Nintendo it appears that he sees them as being archaic. Granted that Nintendo has allowed themselves to be in a situation where they have poorly adapted to the current trends of the gaming industry.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 14, 2013, 04:14:18 AM
Calling for Iwata to be fired is always pointless since it's not going to happen. The only person with enough power is Yamauchi and he isn't going to do that. Hell, one of the biggest reasons he loved Iwata so much in the first place was because Iwata was able to radically improve HAL after becoming president of that company, which made him impressed with Iwata's ability to lead. Considering Iwata was able to improve Nintendo after becoming President with the DS and Wii, and turned around the 3DS after its terrible early months, it's pretty clear Yamauchi views Iwata in a favorable light because he's continued to do what Yamauchi loved so much about him.
Without Yamuachi, there isn't a single major shareholder with enough power to be able to call for Iwata's resignation. The only other way is for the Board of Directors to fire Iwata and that won't happen considered Iwata is loved by them with many on the board are people Iwata has worked with at Nintendo for along time and good friends with.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: shingi_70 on July 14, 2013, 10:09:59 AM
I'd much rather see NOA get a new president (despite it not mattering) and see Miyamoto take step back from being so involved.
Nintendo just needs someone with a clear thought on the Philosophy of the Wii U and execute it as well as the company can, since right now they seem to be all over the place.
Nintendo touts a strong online system but has no games that directly take advantage of online multiplayer and won't until next year. Nintendo touts miiverse as being a way to communicate with friends but most games lack leaderboards.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: nickmitch on July 14, 2013, 01:29:04 PM
I firmly believe the real problem with Nintendo is the shareholders. Iwata's hands are tied because he feels forced to show a profit in the short term, which he's getting by poor long-term planning. If you replace him you'll only get someone more beholden to them.
This right here is the problem. Remember when the 3DS launched: right before the end of Nintendo's fiscal year. I think we all can agree that was too soon as there weren't enough games at the launch. That was clearly an investor driven decision. Had Nintendo waiting even a few months, at least Zelda would've been there.
I think the same thing happened with the Wii U, but it was also coupled with the fact that Nintendo was struggling with making HD games. Although, waiting until maybe March might not have had a huge impact on games at launch. Maybe it could've kept Rayman in the window (and exclusive).
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: ThePerm on July 14, 2013, 03:21:36 PM
one of the big problems is peoples levels of patience. As of today, i don't care that much. I have a wii u, its not being used. It will get used though. I just hope output increases within the next 2 years. Last year pikmin 3 looked great, this year X, smashbros, and mario kart looked great. Everything else did not impress much. Hopefully this is a learning curve they get over, and stay over. What frustrates me is they should have been developing HD games starting six years ago. They may not have had a system that was HD, but all the competitors did. So while they may not have been able to release some games, they could have in the background queued some HD games and had them ready for launch.
Now I understand Nintendo focuses on two systems at a time, and this is a problem. I've mentioned before that one day I hope they just have a handheld/console hybrid. I probably wont get a 3ds, but the thing after that will probably be swell.
as far as Nintendo ever going 3rd party...at some point hardware is going to be ridiculously powerful. At that point it might be better to only have one console on the market. If Nintendo got behind another console it would surely be the dominant console at that point. Nintendo would lose a ton of licensing money though. The question is would they make up for that in online sales of old games...or would that just be ruined by piracy?
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: UncleBob on July 14, 2013, 03:22:33 PM
I firmly believe the real problem with Nintendo is the shareholders. Iwata's hands are tied because he feels forced to show a profit in the short term, which he's getting by poor long-term planning. If you replace him you'll only get someone more beholden to them.
This right here is the problem. Remember when the 3DS launched: right before the end of Nintendo's fiscal year. I think we all can agree that was too soon as there weren't enough games at the launch. That was clearly an investor driven decision. Had Nintendo waiting even a few months, at least Zelda would've been there.
I think the same thing happened with the Wii U, but it was also coupled with the fact that Nintendo was struggling with making HD games. Although, waiting until maybe March might not have had a huge impact on games at launch. Maybe it could've kept Rayman in the window (and exclusive).
A lot of this.
I'd also like to add that a lot of the shareholders are people who jumped on board when Nintendo's stock was flying high during the Wii/DS bloom. They saw big money and thought now is the time to get in. They're short-term investors interested in short-term profits.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Kytim89 on July 14, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
one of the big problems is peoples levels of patience. As of today, i don't care that much. I have a wii u, its not being used. It will get used though. I just hope output increases within the next 2 years. Last year pikmin 3 looked great, this year X, smashbros, and mario kart looked great. Everything else did not impress much. Hopefully this is a learning curve they get over, and stay over. What frustrates me is they should have been developing HD games starting six years ago. They may not have had a system that was HD, but all the competitors did. So while they may not have been able to release some games, they could have in the background queued some HD games and had them ready for launch.
Now I understand Nintendo focuses on two systems at a time, and this is a problem. I've mentioned before that one day I hope they just have a handheld/console hybrid. I probably wont get a 3ds, but the thing after that will probably be swell.
as far as Nintendo ever going 3rd party...at some point hardware is going to be ridiculously powerful. At that point it might be better to only have one console on the market. If Nintendo got behind another console it would surely be the dominant console at that point. Nintendo would lose a ton of licensing money though. The question is would they make up for that in online sales of old games...or would that just be ruined by piracy?
I do have a lot of patience for the Wii U. However, I find it depressing to see so many quality third party titles not coming to the Wii U, and the fact that it is not selling gang busters. I just want to see all of the good third party games come to Wii U.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: alegoicoe on July 14, 2013, 09:46:21 PM
Xbox lover typical comments. I don't mean to be cynical but what does Nintendo gain by doing such thing, its just plain stupid to suggest that in the first place, cause if you keep going down that train of thought whats next, break up the company and go the Sega way!!!, come on :cool;
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2013, 09:51:09 PM
The question is what is the problem, and how can Nintendo fix it?
If anybody doubts there has been a problem starting as early as the Gamecube then they are in denial. However, each problem Nintendo has tried to solve with a very Nintendo answer. And each Nintendo solution unfortunately brings up different problems.
I like how Nintendo thinks differently, and tries to create solutions focused on a "fun user friendly experience." However, Nintendo often ignores the industry standard that works, for a Nintendo solution that only half solves the problem. What is annoying is that often Nintendo solutions could be incorporated into the Standard...so that you don't create those additional problems out of lack of foresight.
This is what Nintendo needs to change, and they need to change it by having bold leadership that will not be tied to shareholders and be visionary forward thinkers. I do not know if Nintendo can achieve this by replacing Reggie and Iwata.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: sweetfeathery on July 14, 2013, 10:49:31 PM
The question is what is the problem, and how can Nintendo fix it?
If anybody doubts there has been a problem starting as early as the Gamecube then they are in denial. However, each problem Nintendo has tried to solve with a very Nintendo answer. And each Nintendo solution unfortunately brings up different problems.
I like how Nintendo thinks differently, and tries to create solutions focused on a "fun user friendly experience." However, Nintendo often ignores the industry standard that works, for a Nintendo solution that only half solves the problem. What is annoying is that often Nintendo solutions could be incorporated into the Standard...so that you don't create those additional problems out of lack of foresight.
This is what Nintendo needs to change, and they need to change it by having bold leadership that will not be tied to shareholders and be visionary forward thinkers. I do not know if Nintendo can achieve this by replacing Reggie and Iwata.
More than anything I liked the points that Sessler brought up. But you are right. What does Nintendo do about it NOW? Well, what they SHOULD have done 4 years ago was knocking on every big dev team and offered them a Nintendo IP to work on. How about letting a dev team like Criterion Games make a F Zero? Or give Team Andromeda the funding to make a Wii U Star Fox? I could keep going on and on but you get the idea. [/font][/size]
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: nickmitch on July 14, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
People by Nintendo systems to play Nintendo games. The company lives and dies by this. The best thing for Nintendo to do is deplete cash reserves, scoop up studios, and do their best to manage them to greatness.
Or at least good-enough-ness.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2013, 11:57:58 PM
There are tons of different things Nintendo COULD have done. I like your idea Sweetfeathery about giving 3rd parties the right to develop 1st party games under the careful supervision of some of the original design teams.
Imagine for a second this happened with the Wii U. You could have had a launch year called the year of Nintendo and launched 10-12 Nintendo franchises on the system. 3-4 of them at launch 2 big brands and 2 lesser brands or 1 and 2. Then trickle Nintendo franchises throughout the year. Start Wii U off with a huge bang, then year two start creating new IPs and funding pet projects, and still release a few other classic franchises.
Nintendo needs to be aggressive and fight for this generation...and really every generation. I have no doubt Wii U year 2 will be fantastic, but year 1 should have been fantastic.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on July 15, 2013, 08:07:07 AM
How are investors the problem? The Wii was losing money and a new round of consoles was starting. It was inevitable they would release a console and releasing a year before the competition has long been considered an advantage in the console wars.
I don't think shareholders caused the lack of games to be available. I think Nintendo mismanaged their resources because they didn't have games available. They should have been building up teams 3 years ago to work on Wii U games and they didn't. I don't think that is because of shareholders.
The other problem they have is the way they treat third parties. Again, I'm not sure how being harsh with third parties draws short term profits.
A generation lasts 5-7 years. That's short term for most businesses. So I think this is the one industry where you can say that short term goals = long term goals. People like to point to the Wii as an example of a short term strategy instead of a long term strategy but I don't think that's true. They could have made the Wii HD and gave it a "pro controller" option and not forced motion controls on standard games. That wouldn't have hurt short term profits. Those options as well as poor third party support hurt Nintendo long term. But I don't think they had anything necessarily to do with Nintendo's short term Wii success. They were first to the market with motion controls and casual games and that sold. Reaching out to casuals doesn't have to hurt your core market unless you let it. Microsoft and Sony are moving forward with new Kinect and Eye cameras and are looking for the next big casual title but people don't think they've hurt their market.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on July 15, 2013, 10:33:08 AM
When I think of Japanese companies I think of the Olympus scandal. The company spent billions of dollars on companies with little to no revenue without the knowledge of their CEO. When the CEO questioned the board president, he told him to mind his own business and do what he's instructed. When the CEO pushed further the board unanimously fired him.
I think its hard to say Iwata has been effective but I think its hard to know how much power he has either. I think Japanese companies in general make decisions as if they are completely in control without regard for shareholders concerns.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: UncleBob on July 15, 2013, 10:37:40 AM
I think Japanese companies in general make decisions as if they are completely in control without regard for shareholders concerns.
That's how it should be.
The CEO should run the business for the long-term health of the business.
Shareholders can have wildly different goals. Therefore, if they don't like the way their money is being invested, they should simply sell and be done. To expect the CEO to cater to shareholders (who may or may not be at all interested in the long-term health of the business) is folly.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Ian Sane on July 15, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
Reggie doesn't know videogames like at all. I wonder if they guy has ever played one outside of a public demo. I can't think of anything positive he offers to Nintendo. His famous "kicking ass and taking names" speech is the highlight of his Nintendo career. I don't like where Nintendo has gone under Iwata but the guy is a games guy. He has the relevant experience in game development and years of service under Nintendo. Reggie has nothing so he should be considered expendable.
I think Nintendo's biggest problem right now is their conservative nature. They don't seem to want to exist in the present, clinging to outdated hardware and stale gameplay in old franchises. It feels like if Nintendo was like this during the NES days they would have never gone beyond the single screen games of Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. I think Nintendo's management has become OLD. Iwata and Miyamoto used to be the young hot shots pushing gaming in new directions and now they're the old boardroom execs bossing around the young guys and molding the product to be conservative and safe and thus dull and unessential. Yamauchi gave his young guys more freedom. He let Miyamoto cut loose and try new things and that built Nintendo into a videogame giant.
Nintendo needs their leadership to move them into the future and that means keeping up with the contemporary practices of the industry and then lead from that position. Nintendo tries to "lead" the industry when they're five years behind everyone else. It's really silly actually. If Iwata is going to keep his company in the past then he needs to go.
But I figure Nintendo will just promote some other guy ingrained with all the same bad habbits that have become part of Nintendo's corporate culture. And the Wii U's outdated hardware completely handicaps it. Anyone new coming in would never be able to get anywhere with it. They would either need to replace it immediately or weather the storm for the next few years and then get the "real" fresh start with the next console.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: ThePerm on July 15, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
It feels like Wii U is in the grasshopper position when you would expect Nintendo to take the ant position.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Khushrenada on July 15, 2013, 03:51:18 PM
How are investors the problem? The Wii was losing money and a new round of consoles was starting. It was inevitable they would release a console and releasing a year before the competition has long been considered an advantage in the console wars.
I don't think shareholders caused the lack of games to be available. I think Nintendo mismanaged their resources because they didn't have games available. They should have been building up teams 3 years ago to work on Wii U games and they didn't. I don't think that is because of shareholders.
This is a great point. Nintendo put themselves in a bit of time crunch with the Wii U launch. However, I'd argue that continuing to take the hit of not having hardware on the shelves wouldn't not have been too appealing to investors. Nintendo had the money to afford to wait until March.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: the asylum on July 15, 2013, 11:13:20 PM
If it wasn't for the 3DS eventually taking off I'd be clamoring for Iwata's head on a pike too.
The Wii U I don't see going anywhere, bar a fantastical series of unlikely events with third parties
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Kytim89 on July 16, 2013, 12:45:36 AM
If by a year from now the Wii U is booming then miracles will truly be a real thing.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 16, 2013, 01:01:02 AM
If by a year from now the Wii U is booming then miracles will truly be a real thing.
prepare to have you faith shaken....
The Wii U will likely suffer a long and drawn out near death existence. much like the Gamecube, only worse. some big games will come, but they will be too late. They may sell well, but it won't matter. Nintendo will keep chugging along until the next system, existing in their own vacuum sealed bubble and pretend that everything that is wrong with this generation has nothing to do with them and their choices. The majority of us will still be here, buying the system for Nintendo games, yet still hoping for system parity in features and support, hoping beyond hope that one day Nintendo will relive the golden age of "NES" again.
But I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 16, 2013, 01:42:53 AM
If it wasn't for the 3DS eventually taking off I'd be clamoring for Iwata's head on a pike too.
The Wii U I don't see going anywhere, bar a fantastical series of unlikely events with third parties
Which is rather funny because people were calling for Iwata's head when the 3DS was doing poorly it's first year and saying it was beyond saving as well. Hell, at this time last year many were still bitching about the 3DS because of it's poor holiday 2012 lineup and lack of games announced for 2013. And yet now everyone is sucking the 3DS dick and acting like it's the greatest thing ever made.
This is why people saying the Wii U is doomed are beyond foolish. They did it with the DS and 3DS are were proven wrong in both cases, and after this Fall will be proven wrong with the Wii U as well.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: UncleBob on July 16, 2013, 01:45:10 AM
And yet now everyone is sucking the 3DS dick and acting like it's the greatest thing ever made.
Everyone is what?
I think one of us is playing with our 3DS wrong...
LMFAO!!!
"You're doing it wrong" (http://i.imgur.com/16ermSa.jpg)
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 16, 2013, 02:35:01 AM
You know the thing is. Nintendo does make good hardware...and except for the Wii, which Nintendo probably felt it waa taking too much of a gamble on, in the first place had fairly good hardware.
And people mention the Gamecube. If Nintendo's Wii U gets Gamecube level support with Gamecube quality 1st and 2nd party games, then I will be happy with the system and have no problems. The Gamecube was a great product and had some great games to play.
However, I don't see Gamecube support coming yet. I see this years Christmas for the Wii U and I am thinking how can 3rd parties still not support the system. It has users. It has more users than the PS4 and Xbox One. It will likely continue to gain and continue to have more users for the next year. After that, Nintendo will probably fall behind.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Plugabugz on July 16, 2013, 04:06:08 AM
And people mention the Gamecube. If Nintendo's Wii U gets Gamecube level support with Gamecube quality 1st and 2nd party games, then I will be happy with the system and have no problems.
Yet this is the third THIRD! console generation running in which they failed to plan correctly and there is spikes in output (launch), nothing afterwards (N64...), third parties fail to pick up the slack (the N64 onwards) because of consistently changing goal-posts - last time it was hardware, this time its sales - and now they're saying they're unprepared for HD development?
Nintendo has almost no interest in actually managing their teams' outputs properly, instead hiding by the "it'll be released when its done" mantra. The result was the good years of Wii (years 2 and 3?) followed by a sustained crash thereafter.
They should really try to fix THAT as its entirely within their control.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Adrock on July 16, 2013, 09:46:39 AM
The dearth of first party titles on Wii U is inexcusable because it's not like this is a new concept. People buy consoles for games and people especially buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo software. That's why it's even a thing. If Nintendo can't support their own console, why should consumers or third party publishers support the console either?
I understand and appreciate that Nintendo doesn't release their major titles until they feel the games are worthy of release, but seriously, plan accordingly. They've been making games for over three decades; they know how long development takes. If Nintendo has to pad their lineup with ports and remakes, so be it, but that **** needs to be released at or around launch, not a year later unless it's the second round of those releases.
I see Nintendo launching a successor in 2017 because Wii U will be fine albeit unspectacular (I see a turnaround, just nothing like 3DS) and I think that could be their last home console if they can't turn things around. At that point, they would probably just focus at what they're good at which is handhelds. If their next console could be their last, they should go all out. I don't particularly like the idea of taking a loss on hardware, but desperate times, right? Take a loss to launch what is the equivalent to a decent 2017 PC gaming rig which should trounce PS4/One at that point. Go x86-64 for easy porting. Make deals with third parties to get the PC versions ported day one. Launch with Mario Kart 10 (I presume Mario Kart 9 will be portable and launch first). And for the love of blob, market the thing like there's no tomorrow simply because there may not be one for their consoles. This is all, of course, assuming they get the basics right. For example, the operating system should be complete enough that the console isn't a dick when you plug it in and turn it on. Maybe you can be playing a game within 10 minutes (after setup) while the first system update downloads in the background.
Will this be enough? Honestly, I have my doubts. However, if Nintendo creates what is essentially "the anti-Wii U," the same old excuses from third parties won't apply anymore. I actually expect new, lamer excuses. "It's too powerful?" "There are too many different vowels in 'Nintendo.'"
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Khushrenada on July 16, 2013, 10:34:16 AM
And yet now everyone is sucking the 3DS dick and acting like it's the greatest thing ever made.
You see? As soon as you say this isn't a family-oriented site, suddenly everyone thinks they can post whatever sexual deviency they want to talk about!
I'm surprised someone hasn't posted that Iwata and Reggie must like S&M and are using the Wii U as a way to fulfill that need for pain.
You stay classy NWR.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: shingi_70 on July 16, 2013, 11:18:25 AM
You know the thing is. Nintendo does make good hardware...and except for the Wii, which Nintendo probably felt it waa taking too much of a gamble on, in the first place had fairly good hardware.
And people mention the Gamecube. If Nintendo's Wii U gets Gamecube level support with Gamecube quality 1st and 2nd party games, then I will be happy with the system and have no problems. The Gamecube was a great product and had some great games to play.
However, I don't see Gamecube support coming yet. I see this years Christmas for the Wii U and I am thinking how can 3rd parties still not support the system. It has users. It has more users than the PS4 and Xbox One. It will likely continue to gain and continue to have more users for the next year. After that, Nintendo will probably fall behind.
To be completely honest I think by this time next year the Wii U will be the worse selling of three next gen consoles and maybe selling worse than the Vita.
The problem is despite having actual units sold we have no real indication that software support is backing up the number of consoles sold.
Alot of those core launch day gamers who buys nearly everything in the launch window decided to skip the Wii U but wll be their at launch. You also have the fact that Sony decided to prepare for the next generation and actually have proper support for downloadable software unlike nintendo. The Console Makersand third parties are betting that due to steam/XBLA/PSN alot of those guys who are buying day one will be digital sales.
Plus Wii U has no killer app on the horizon.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Ian Sane on July 16, 2013, 12:14:05 PM
If it wasn't for the 3DS eventually taking off I'd be clamoring for Iwata's head on a pike too.
The Wii U I don't see going anywhere, bar a fantastical series of unlikely events with third parties
Which is rather funny because people were calling for Iwata's head when the 3DS was doing poorly it's first year and saying it was beyond saving as well. Hell, at this time last year many were still bitching about the 3DS because of it's poor holiday 2012 lineup and lack of games announced for 2013. And yet now everyone is sucking the 3DS dick and acting like it's the greatest thing ever made.
This is why people saying the Wii U is doomed are beyond foolish. They did it with the DS and 3DS are were proven wrong in both cases, and after this Fall will be proven wrong with the Wii U as well.
I feel that in terms of hardware the 3DS had the tools to succeed while the Wii U does not. Nintendo owns the handheld market and their competition is pretty damn weak. While the PS Vita is more powerful, it isn't backed hard enough by Sony. Multiplatform development doesn't really exist with handhelds so there is no real need to match up to certain hardware standards. With consoles the competition is fierce and multiplatform development is how third parties do business. The Wii U is a PS3/360 equivalent, not a PS4/XB1 equivalent. It will not be included in multiplatform development because it simply isn't compatible. And with jack **** third party support I don't see how Nintendo with their ridiculously slow development time can possibly fill the release schedule enough to make the Wii U enticing to the public. The 3DS has third party support.
The Wii succeeded because it caught on as a mainstream fad. Once the fad was over and we were just left with an outdated console with virtually no third party support and Nintendo releasing like two games a year Nintendo experienced financial losses. As for all the big first party franchises that will come later and sell Wii U's, they didn't sell Gamecubes. They were big and successful on the mainstream fad Wii, where there was a large userbase of casuals that came to the table for Wii Sports and decided to have some Mario Kart while they were there. What is so exceptional about Mario Kart Wii that made it completely squash Double Dash's sales?
The Wii U is a lost cause with third party support because it's last gen (or I guess it's current gen until this fall). The casuals have moved to smartphones. Nintendo was caught completely off guard by HD development and can't make games at a decent pace. I just don't see it going anywhere because it is too restrictive for Nintendo to truly turn it into a worthwhile product. It will always be feast or famine with the odd first party game coming out every so many months and nothing else in between. It's going to be like the Gamecube if it had N64 level hardware and how well do you think THAT would have sold?
I think the Wii U's only chance is if the PS4 and XB1 completely flop and the market effectively forces the industry to stick with this gen for a few more years. The Wii U has the ability to compete on those grounds.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Urkel on July 31, 2013, 02:33:01 AM
Adam Sessler is BALD.
His opinion doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2013, 02:44:33 AM
His sideburns scare me.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Phil on July 31, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
I have never seen such incompetence from a major video game company before. How do you kill off the Wii way too early, yet STILL not be prepared for HD development and Wii U development, after KNOWING for SIX YEARS that HD development takes a lot of resources?
Just fire everyone. It's a total joke.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Luigi Dude on July 31, 2013, 03:31:36 PM
I have never seen such incompetence from a major video game company before. How do you kill off the Wii way too early, yet STILL not be prepared for HD development and Wii U development, after KNOWING for SIX YEARS that HD development takes a lot of resources?
Just fire everyone. It's a total joke.
Unless you live in an alternate universe where the Sega Saturn never existed, this statement is hyperbole in it's purest form. Oh and apparently Sony never released the Vita in this universe you live in either.
Plus the Wii wasn't killed off early, it had a 6 year life cycle which is the longest any Nintendo home console has gone in the West since the NES. Hell the Wii had more games released in it's final year then the N64 and Gamecube had released in theirs.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Phil on July 31, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
I have never seen such incompetence from a major video game company before. How do you kill off the Wii way too early, yet STILL not be prepared for HD development and Wii U development, after KNOWING for SIX YEARS that HD development takes a lot of resources?
Just fire everyone. It's a total joke.
Unless you live in an alternate universe where the Sega Saturn never existed, this statement is hyperbole in it's purest form. Oh and apparently Sony never released the Vita in this universe you live in either.
Plus the Wii wasn't killed off early, it had a 6 year life cycle which is the longest any Nintendo home console has gone in the West since the NES. Hell the Wii had more games released in it's final year then the N64 and Gamecube had released in theirs.
Nintendo stopped supporting Wii with big software long before the 6 year life cycle ended. I don't care how long the console lasted until its successor. That only shows that Nintendo is even more incompetent that they had six years to work with and still weren't ready with their obviously rushed launch. The last major game launched was Skyward Sword in 2011. A full year before the Wii U launched. Xenoblade Chronicles launched that spring, but that was limited to GameStop and Nintendo's online site. Your point about Wii having more games than GameCube and N64, two consoles that failed to generate much third-party support by the end of their lives, would make more sense if the Wii hadn't been mercifully held up third-parties. The fact of the matter is that Nintendo was done with the Wii essentially long before then.
And yes, that was hyperbole to say it was the worst incompetence. You are right. I meant to say in recent times. In the Vita's case, Sony isn't even trying, it seems. Unlike the Wii U, Sony can happily have the Vita die a slow painful death. Their big business in gaming isn't handhelds. It's consoles, and the PS4 actually has hype for it. The Wii U really never did. Meanwhile, Nintendo is successfully killing any hope they have of having a foothold in the console market because of the Wii U. I know I certainly will not after the 3DS and Wii U ever buy a Nintendo platform near launch. And if I were a retailer, I wouldn't be ordering lots of stock for their next platforms, either.
I've never seen a fall so bad than a first-place Nintendo with the Wii (a 100 million unit selling system) to the Wii U (which at this rate will be lucky to pass the GameCube). It's rather sad, but I can't blame anyone but Nintendo. And no, that line isn't hyperbole.
I had a meaner post here since you were condescending, but I changed it. Not worth resorting to that.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Mop it up on July 31, 2013, 05:38:01 PM
I think Adam Sessler should be fired.
Title: Re: Adam Sessler thinks Reggie and Iwata should be fired
Post by: Urkel on July 31, 2013, 06:01:08 PM
