Personally, I'm hoping for a new Starfox. Maybe even a reboot. The constant changing of hands of the series has screwed up the story for me. Would love to see a game with Starfox 64 gameplay brought back. Loved the flying scenes in Starfox Adventure. The Arwing model in that game still looks good now.
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Post by: the asylum on May 01, 2013, 05:14:30 AM
fzero fzero fzero fzero fzero no whammy no whammy STOP
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Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2013, 07:16:06 AM
A new IP.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 01, 2013, 08:01:49 AM
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Post by: Shaymin on May 01, 2013, 08:07:38 AM
Nintendo's plan to make 100 billion yen:
- Announce Retro's on Mario Kart 8 next Sunday AD - Bottle the tears of fanboy rage and sell them at a decent price - Trillions of dollars
I think it's something new or DKCR2, which would be appropriate for a company with a .300 batting average. They've probably got the 2nd team helping out with 8, though.
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Post by: azeke on May 01, 2013, 09:04:17 AM
I'd like to see that, but given the current Wii U circumstances, I doubt Nintendo would leverage Retro Studios for something like that. Nintendo needs to unleash their established franchises on the Wii U to get sales moving, and given the franchises they've already mentioned they're working on (3D Mario, Mariokart, Smash Bros), I'd guess it'll be something Retro Studios has already shown they can do well, like Metriod or Donkey Kong.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 01, 2013, 09:21:47 AM
It's Retro. That it would be a good game is implied.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 01, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
I think Nintendo should let Retro come up with the next "Goldeneye" or "Perfect Dark" for the Wii U. We all know that one good hit franchise can swing popularity for a system. It happened with Halo. And we all know Nintendo doesn't have one of those games yet.
The question is what direction does Retro take it. If they go futuristic and Scifi people will say Nintendo is copying Halo and that is some tough competition to follow. If they make it modern combat, then you have all the competition with the Call of Duty type games.
If they try something different, something too colorful or out there they will be blamed for making the genre Nintendo kiddie.
So I don't envy trying to do that. But having a team that is batting this much success should try to get their chance at an original labor of love.
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Post by: the asylum on May 01, 2013, 09:31:42 AM
I've said it before: A Mario Paintball FPS will have me squealing like a giddy schoolgirl
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Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2013, 09:41:45 AM
All the usual suspects are working on Nintendo franchises (e.g. Aonuma's team is working on Zelda). While I wouldn't be surprised if Retro Studios is working on Metroid or Donkey Kong, I think it would benefit Nintendo far more if one of their best teams works on something decidedly not typical of Nintendo. Such a project could attract people who aren't fans of Nintendo games to the platform which can only be a good thing considering is stuggling to find an audience outside the Nintendo faithful with its woeful third party support. Maybe Nintendo doesn't care about that. Then again, maybe they should.
Semi-related, I have to wonder if Monster Games is being groomed to inherit the Donkey Kong Country series, like the 3DS port of Returns is an audition or training camp of sorts for what Nintendo wants them to do: make a sequel so Retro Studios can do something else.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 01, 2013, 10:19:17 AM
I know I should want a new IP, but to be honest I'd really rather they be making Star Fox.
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Post by: azeke on May 01, 2013, 10:39:40 AM
Between a game not aimed at me and a game aimed at me i choose a game for me.
Who said you wouldn't still like the game? Just because something isn't an existing Nintendo property doesn't mean it's totally inaccessible to Nintendo fans. You're making the assumption that I'm suggesting something akin to Call of Duty which is your prerogative, but ultimately, your problem, not mine.
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So yeah, i still choose "a good game".
That's a given. It's not even worth pointing out. "No, I want a bad game," said no one ever.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 01, 2013, 11:27:46 AM
Does Nintendo still own Eternal Darkness? Although I'd still prefer an original game, if Retro are to be put to work on a pre-existing IP then I'd be jazzed to see them revive ED. I freaking love that game. One of the best things about the Prime games was their sense of atmosphere, so I can see Retro being quite well suited to a horror game.
Plus, who doesn't want to see ED in HD?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 01, 2013, 11:29:10 AM
I know Nintendo at least owns the Eternal Darkness trademark, not sure if they own or co-own the actual game though.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 01, 2013, 12:30:04 PM
Grim and Gritty Megaman FPS.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
I've said it before: A Mario Paintball FPS will have me squealing like a giddy schoolgirl
So it's basically a cutesy kiddy FPS? Nintendo doesn't have ANY FPS franchise. I would prefer they make one more for the teen-to-adult audience. Mario is overused and I would find an FPS with him in it incredibly dull. The genre is inherently violent and paintball version would seem like Nintendo treating me like a baby. Nintendo used to have Goldeneye and Perfect Dark so if they were to introduce a new FPS IP I would want something that effectively replaces that and aims at a similar audience. It doesn't have to be a big gorefest but Nintendo has enough Mario games and enough cutesy family friendly series. They don't need another one.
As for Retro, I'm guessing either a new Donkey Kong game, a return to Metroid or they'll give them Mario Kart. I'm assuming something that is an existing IP. I don't want that but I figure if I hope for anything else I'll just get let down. A revival of an old Nintendo IP is probably the best we could hope for. They probably could save Star Fox.
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Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
I'm not so bothered by the "cutesy, kiddy" thing than I am of the idea of playing a Mario game in first person. It's almost like taking Mario out of the game with no immediate benefit or reason. A game like Metroid Prime made sense in first person because Samus already uses a gun/arm-cannon. Even though Mario has been in so many spin-offs, a paintball game just seems forced to me. Not saying it can't work, I just don't understand the appeal.
If Nintendo insists on releasing a non-violent FPS, they can certainly do so without using Mario (e.g. Miis) and especially without having Retro Studios, of all teams, developing it. If Retro Studios were to develop a Mario game, I'd much rather it be a 2D side scroller considering how amazing Donkey Kong Country Returns was. 2D Mario could certainly use a heavy dose of imagination not really seen in the New series.
My hope is that Retro Studios uses its immense talent on something that reaches a lot of people and reminds us all how good video games can be, something that isn't just paint-by-numbers or following trends. As I've said before, Metroid Prime was one of those games that changed the way I look at games; it set a new bar. I think Retro Studios still has it in them to make a game with the same impact. It's good for Wii U and it's good for the industry.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 01, 2013, 02:40:11 PM
Metroid Prime Reach Metroid Prime 3 ODST Metroid Prime 4
Seriously though it needs to be a Metroid Prime game. Using the UMote as a scanner (in all directions, mind you, like in Panorama View) would be awesome...but maybe tedious after a while.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2013, 02:57:24 PM
My hope is that Retro Studios uses its immense talent on something that reaches a lot of people and reminds us all how good video games can be, something that isn't just paint-by-numbers or following trends. As I've said before, Metroid Prime was one of those games that changed the way I look at games; it set a new bar. I think Retro Studios still has it in them to make a game with the same impact. It's good for Wii U and it's good for the industry.
Metroid Prime really did knock my socks off when it came out. It exceeded my expectations of what any videogame could do. I think that's part of my general disinterest in DKC Returns. That is a well-made game but that's really all it has going for it. Gaming as a whole was completely unaffected by DKC Returns' existence as it really just did things that had already been done before. Hell, it wasn't even the game that kickstarted the 2D platformer revival (and that is somewhat appropriate since the original DKC was well-made but was only treaded new ground in its graphics). Now most games don't have the impact of Metroid Prime but that is really why we see Retro as something special. Do they have another game in them as impressive and creative as Metroid Prime? If so they won't create it if Nintendo assigns them to work on Mario Kart tracks. Metroid in 3D was such new ground that it might as well have been a new IP. If they get Star Fox, they'll likely at best make a great Star Fox game but unless the scope of Star Fox is greatly expanded it won't be anything truly original because you can only take a conventional sequel so far.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 01, 2013, 03:17:39 PM
I see the "Mario Paintball" thing as being to FPS what Smash Bros. is to fighters. It could be Nintendo's unique take on the genre and it could be really good if handled well.
Heck it could just be Smash Bros. FPS. That might be cool.
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Post by: Fjurbanski on May 01, 2013, 03:22:11 PM
Mario paintball would probably be a 3rd person shooter. Gotta be able to see those classic mascots.
That game could be really good and really funny. I'd like to see something like it.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
I remember in Mickey's Speedway for the N64 the characters apologize to each other as they pass each other in the race. That comes across as really wimpy little kid stuff and is a huge turnoff to anyone a little older. Since the FPS genre is about shooting people, paintball comes across as embarassingly wimpy. In SSB they still HIT each other. It isn't like they're whacking each other with wiffle bats and giggling while they're doing it. Paintball to me screams "this is for pussies that can't handle a real FPS". Now with Mario I can't see another way to do it but why does Mario have to even be involved?
Hardcore fighting fanatics weren't hot for SSB entirely because it simplified special moves, not because the content made it any less violent than a typical fighting game, aside from Mortal Kombat. Goldeneye shows that Nintendo can make an FPS that isn't an 'M' rated gorefest but still doesn't come across as excessively toned down for little kids and wimps.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 01, 2013, 03:37:40 PM
It may appear kiddy and wimpy to those "a little older" but not to those old enough to recognize the charm.
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Post by: Fjurbanski on May 01, 2013, 04:07:09 PM
Yeah, those things would appear kiddy and wimpy, but only to kids and wimps. Anyone with any level of maturity wouldn't be bothered by it. Just like they aren't bothered by Smash Bros.
I think Mario Paintball would be hilarious.
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Post by: Stogi on May 01, 2013, 04:07:47 PM
Eidos and Retro team up to bring us Time Splitters 4.
The internet explodes.
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Post by: marty on May 01, 2013, 04:16:48 PM
Retro doing a LoZ game would be amazing (maybe). The Primes are my favorite Metroid games and Retro seems well suited for making epic games with little in the way of superfluous garbage that a lot of studios feel like shoving into their titles.
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Post by: Stogi on May 01, 2013, 04:20:42 PM
Do you not remember collecting artifacts?
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Post by: marty on May 01, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
i didn't say they were perfect. And the collectathons and padding in the MP games are nothing compared to the last decade of Zelda games.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2013, 07:38:27 PM
Metroid Prime not only had the stupid artifact hunt but respawning Chozo Ghosts in every room that were clearly there to pad the game and add an artificial challenge. The game's brilliance was in its innovation but it wasn't perfectly executed. I personally prefer the second game.
Though one thing that Metroid Prime really got right was the story was mostly discovered by the player in the form of scans or in the actions players actually did. Those games don't constantly shove long unskippable cutscenes in your face.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 01, 2013, 07:40:25 PM
But with the Chozo Ghosts, you usually could just skip them and continue to the next room.
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Post by: Stogi on May 01, 2013, 08:25:03 PM
Some rooms you had to kill them and some others you didn't.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 01, 2013, 09:46:44 PM
I don't think the existence of DKCR is necessarily indicative of the future direction of the studio. Metroid Prime tore a new space in the realm of gaming, and they followed that up with a brilliant iteration of a classic 2D platform series. If anything I think it's more likely that they'd swing back toward a Metroid Prime-type game in the form of a new IP or another dormant IP that is so transformed as to be new. Really, really doubt they'd be given full helm on a Mario Kart or Zelda game (that's what Japan is for), and I kinda doubt Nintendo considers Star Fox or F-Zero worth the full attention of Retro (for better or worse).
I think this is going to be a surprise. After all, I really doubt they needed a Metroid-sized staff for DKCR. A good contingent of the company must have been working on something for quite some time.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2013, 12:36:15 AM
Actually, I know I have said this before but a Mario type Platforming FPS/ 3rdPS would be quite innovative, and Nintendo has proven it can and WOULD work with Super Mario Galaxy.
Imagine for a second playing Mario Galaxy...but not trying to just collect Stars but attacking your friends trying to collect Stars.
To collect a Star is not to just to get from point A to point B, but to solve puzzles and prevent your friend from doing those said puzzles. I would be a blast. And the concept of the Wii controller makes it possible. As long as you get the speed of weapons correct. Not too slow, but not too fast to be instant hits...and the concept of leading your opponent in attacks it could work.
That said, the game doesn't have to be Mario related. It just has to be fun.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 02, 2013, 01:55:31 AM
Stop talking about Metroid Prime! Otherwise I'm going to feel compelled to play the Trilogy for a 3rd time. Damn those games are good!
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Post by: Soren on May 02, 2013, 02:17:28 AM
From most to least want:
1. F-Zero 2. Star Fox 3. Metroid Prime 4. New IP 5. Eternal Darkness - 49. Ice Climbers Reboot 50. DKCR 2 - 2509. Mario Kart Wii U
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Post by: ThePerm on May 02, 2013, 02:25:13 AM
I don't want it to be an existing franchise. I'd hate to have this hype for this unknown thing that could possibly be a predictable given. If it is an old franchise it would have to be something that is so old and obscure that it would have little to do with the original game. Star Tropics or Mach Rider would be candidates, but if it ends up being something like Star Fox or Mario Kart my next thought would be "business as usual, oh gee big surprise another predictable release"
What would be even better is if the studio had expanded enough to be making multiple games at once. Kinda what had been originally envisioned.
So how is that RavenBlade coming along?
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Post by: the asylum on May 02, 2013, 02:46:17 AM
Eternal Darkness needs a sequel as much as the Watchmen needed a prequel (And not just because Before Watchmen is awful)
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Post by: Plugabugz on May 02, 2013, 03:08:51 AM
Nintendo needs to buy Monster Games and Next Level Games and let them both (plus Retro) create some western/american styled franchises.
Since the early 2000s Nintendo has gone from a stable of western teams to just Retro now. They really do need to invest to move forward a little.
Platinum Games would have been useful too, if it were still available.
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Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2013, 08:30:34 AM
Who are we considering as Nintendo's former Western development stable? Left Field Productions made a few decent NBA games as well as Excitebike 64. Does Rare count? I always consider "West" as referring to North America. Even if we consider Rare, we shouldn't ignore how much hand-holding they required to produce results. Who knows what the status of Silicon Knights is? They made one really good original game (with heavy involvement from Nintendo) and rode that horse for the next decade before falling so tremendously. Are we counting Factor 5 and Angel Studios (now Rockstar San Diego)? Were they ever officially part of Nintendo's stable? I'm sure TJ or Luigi Dude will do the research since I'm too lazy. Nintendo Software Technologies should just be renamed Mario vs Donkey Kong eShop Studio.
Retro Studios is the best Western team ever associated with Nintendo. Unless you count Factor 5, they're essentially the only Western team to produce results on major projects with any kind of autonomy and even then, they've lost a lot of good people. Sure, they replaced those departures by hiring talent from Naughty Dog, id Software, and Vigil Games, but I have to wonder if the new people will mesh as well as the old or if we'll end up with the 2012-2013 Los Angeles Lakers... This season was brutal.
As far as I know, Platinum Games is technically available in that they're an independent company that could join Nintendo. Their only announced projects are for Wii U. Company president, Tatsuya Minami, is already on record stating that they will be making PS4 games. Acquiring the company would only be worth it if they wanted to become a Nintendo first party (no point if, say, Atsushi Inaba and Hideki Kamiya up and left) and Nintendo let them just make whatever they wanted. If they were just handed a bunch of Nintendo IPs to handle, that would be a colossal waste of their talent. Not saying they couldn't make a good Star Fox, F-Zero, or Metroid, just that forcing them to work within the confines of existing franchises they didn't create themselves is limiting for such talented game designers.
I'd hate to have this hype for this unknown thing that could possibly be a predictable given.
Manage your expectations. Neither Nintendo nor Retro Studios are responsible for the hype the media and gamers are creating for this mystery game, unless you count silence as hype. They've said very little other than they've had Wii U development kits and are working on a Wii U game in addition to a few off-hand comments that people blew up.
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Post by: RarityGamer on May 02, 2013, 09:43:17 AM
I'd like to see Nintendo look at more Western developers. They don't need to get loads, but there seems to be a gap since Rare went. Retro are great, but I think more is needed.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2013, 01:17:14 PM
I think Western typically refers to devs that are not Japanese. Western culture as opposed to literal Western geography.
With Nintendo's infrequent release schedule they need for dev teams period, not just Western ones. They should make an effort to expand no matter what. The Wii U is pretty much dying on Nintendo not having enough manpower to make games in a decent timeframe. Rare alone would release like two games a year and Retro releases like one every two years at best. Videogames just take longer to develop now.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 02, 2013, 01:34:54 PM
@adrock (because i don't want to quote the whole post or edit)
Its not so much about managing my expectations, its the expectations Nintendo creates by not mentioning it. If it were Mario Kart or Star Fox then there is absolutely no reason to keep it secret and under a veil. Everyone knows Nintendo makes Mario Kart and Starfox every couple of years. It is not a surprise to make those games. Its a dumb decision to not show even pre-liminary screenshots of those games because the systems sells are slagging. Perhaps some buzz for those games would drive some sales?
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 02, 2013, 01:44:33 PM
I think Star Fox has been out of the limelight long enough for a new instalment to big news. It would be even bigger news if it was a Star Fox game developed by Retro studios. That's the type of news that Nintendo probably would want to keep secret to maximise the impact of the announcement.
Having said that, I hope Retro aren't making a Star Fox game. I hope their ambitions are much broader in scope.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
Sorry to be that guy, I'd rather them release Metroid Prime 4 on Wii U with Metroid Prime Trilogy HD handled by another developer.
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Post by: RarityGamer on May 02, 2013, 02:53:04 PM
I don't think another Metroid Prime is needed. The trilogy was good, but the last game wasn't that long ago really.
Would love a new starfox mind. It's been awhile since Nintendo really gave it any attention.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2013, 03:06:27 PM
Prime 3 came out in 2007. It's been six years. I don't think it was that long ago.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 02, 2013, 03:07:39 PM
Retro apparently needs to make a football game with team creation and community shared rosters.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 02, 2013, 03:36:57 PM
Technically, Retro Studios is another developer. Few of the people from the Metroid days are currently there as far as we know. Granted they hired a bunch of top talent. Would I want them to make a Metroid game? Well yes, but I think they should make a Metroid game only after they've created a new franchise.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 02, 2013, 04:55:47 PM
I think Star Fox has been out of the limelight long enough for a new instalment to big news. It would be even bigger news if it was a Star Fox game developed by Retro studios. That's the type of news that Nintendo probably would want to keep secret to maximise the impact of the announcement.
Having said that, I hope Retro aren't making a Star Fox game. I hope their ambitions are much broader in scope.
A starfox game is possible, idk i could see something there but it seems more likely that a new game would be made by Q-games on the 3DS based on 64 3d's engine
but does nintendo really need a new IP, I would think that they would have enough obscure cult classic one-off franchises from the NES days to cover whatever needs they would have... i mean they made Kid Icarus a third person shooter here I mean come on...
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Post by: RarityGamer on May 02, 2013, 04:58:06 PM
Technically, Retro Studios is another developer. Few of the people from the Metroid days are currently there as far as we know. Granted they hired a bunch of top talent. Would I want them to make a Metroid game? Well yes, but I think they should make a Metroid game only after they've created a new franchise.
It's a shame when that happens. Teams make a name for themselves, then split up. Long as they don't another Mario or Mario spin off...
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2013, 06:35:24 PM
but does nintendo really need a new IP, I would think that they would have enough obscure cult classic one-off franchises from the NES days to cover whatever needs they would have... i mean they made Kid Icarus a third person shooter here I mean come on...
Nothing stays popular forever. Eventually the market will tire of Mario and Zelda and Pokemon and all the rest and Nintendo will need new brands to take their place. Every company needs new IP to keep themselves current. Every generation has new IP that becomes a big hit. This previous gen had Assassin's Creed, Gears of War, Uncharted and of course the Wii Series.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 02, 2013, 06:40:58 PM
but does nintendo really need a new IP, I would think that they would have enough obscure cult classic one-off franchises from the NES days to cover whatever needs they would have... i mean they made Kid Icarus a third person shooter here I mean come on...
Nothing stays popular forever. Eventually the market will tire of Mario and Zelda and Pokemon and all the rest and Nintendo will need new brands to take their place. Every company needs new IP to keep themselves current. Every generation has new IP that becomes a big hit. This previous gen had Assassin's Creed, Gears of War, Uncharted and of course the Wii Series.
and yet things can come back, such as Kid Icarus, to fit a new role... Nintendo has plenty of games like Startropics that they could bring back to the modern day... why make a new IP if maybe there is something already that fits the bill... I don't think they have much need for a new IP... they have enough stuff between the well known franchises and things like mach rider and clu clu land that they could stretch to fit pretty much any genre
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Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2013, 06:54:17 PM
People will tire of Mario, Zelda etc. when Nintendo starts continually releasing bad iterations of those series.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 02, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
People will tire of Mario, Zelda etc. when Nintendo starts continually releasing bad iterations of those series.
i am not denying that i am saying nintendo has a huge back catalog of one off games or franchises from the days of yore that they can use... why not reboot one of those...
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Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2013, 08:23:33 PM
I was responding to Ian.
There needs to be a reason for creating a new IP. Nintendo created many in the 1980s and 1990s whenever they needed to, typically when they were venturing into a new genre. That's not too different than other companies. Some start with a story and simply cannot use existing characters, but how many of those does Nintendo have? Mother/Earthbound? Xenoblade? Sometimes, it just doesn't make sense to put Mario in everything and that's when we got, for example, F-Zero and Star Fox. Those IPs were created out of necessity. And yes, there are times when it just doesn't make sense to use an existing character and Nintendo does anyway (e.g. Kirby's Epic Yarn). When it does make sense, why not just use an existing character?
New for the sake of being new is pointless. I brought up Retro Studios creating a new IP, not because it would be new, but because it would stand a better chance of reaching people who don't really play Nintendo games. They won't consider a Wii U because Mario and Zelda don't resonate with them. There are genres that Nintendo has no presence in and I think Retro Studios has the talent to fill the void one game at a time if need be. That way, they're creating for reasons beyond simply creating. I think Retro Studios can handle just about anything Nintendo asks of them. They can make Star Fox or F-Zero and do a damn good job too. I just think it would be far more beneficial for Nintendo to expand their core audience. Mario will sell to Mario fans and there are a lot of them, but there are whole segments of the market that Nintendo has nothing for. If third parties aren't helping Nintendo and deals like Bayonetta 2 cannot be made, Nintendo should considet going after those audiences themselves.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 02, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
that is honestly a needed point to consider,
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Post by: Shaymin on May 02, 2013, 09:39:01 PM
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 02, 2013, 09:54:54 PM
For all intents and purposes, they are. Silicon Knights is still alive for the moment though.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 02, 2013, 11:05:53 PM
Nintendo doesn't really need NEW IPs right now. Existing ones are gonna sell Wii U because everyone is going to be familiar with the level of quality of the series. It's too lay to try something new on the Wii U evacuee only people that already own one will play it unless it really, really captivates people.
That being said, I gotta agree with Ian that Nintendo desperately needs more talent. Granted, quality talent is hard to come by, but if you mix in some known talent, throw in quality leadership, and hold new studios to your existing quality standards, then someone is gonna make a hit. I'd hate to say it, but Nintendo is mostly in this console race for and by themselves. They might as well just expand.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 03, 2013, 01:33:09 AM
I think its a good idea to create new IPs every generation(at least 3). The two reasons are to expand the catalog and to stay current. Nintendo usually adds 1-3 per generation into the fold. At one point Starfox, F-Zero, and Pikmin were all new IPs. Nintendo also has IP attrition issues thanks to Rare.
Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Conker, Jet Force Gemini would probably have wii and wii u sequels ready if they never let them go.
From all indications Nintendo still own Eternal Darkness. I honestly don't care if Nintendo brings back a franchise...as long as its one that is due for a sequel. Things Like Mach Rider, Star Tropics, Eternal Darkness, Earthbound. Now granted it has been a while since there has been a proper Starfox game, but an unsatifactory release just came out on 3DS. F-Zero seems like a good candidate, but it also seems like something maybe that could be done by....SEGA?
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Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2013, 01:44:22 AM
How was Star Fox 64 3D unsatisfactory? That's like saying that Ocarina of Time 3D was unsatisfactory.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 03, 2013, 02:31:59 AM
It wasn't really much different Then Starfox DS, and then it had camera chat, but WTf did it have camera chat, when you could only play local multipayer? You're sitting right next to each other.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 03, 2013, 12:38:14 PM
The "Star Tropics updated to be Uncharted style" idea has been floating around here and there. That'd be something I'd like to see, from Retro or otherwise.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2013, 12:51:48 PM
It wasn't really much different Then Starfox DS, and then it had camera chat, but WTf did it have camera chat, when you could only play local multipayer? You're sitting right next to each other.
I think its a good idea to create new IPs every generation(at least 3). The two reasons are to expand the catalog and to stay current. Nintendo usually adds 1-3 per generation into the fold. At one point Starfox, F-Zero, and Pikmin were all new IPs. Nintendo also has IP attrition issues thanks to Rare.
Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Conker, Jet Force Gemini would probably have wii and wii u sequels ready if they never let them go.
From all indications Nintendo still own Eternal Darkness. I honestly don't care if Nintendo brings back a franchise...as long as its one that is due for a sequel. Things Like Mach Rider, Star Tropics, Eternal Darkness, Earthbound. Now granted it has been a while since there has been a proper Starfox game, but an unsatifactory release just came out on 3DS. F-Zero seems like a good candidate, but it also seems like something maybe that could be done by....SEGA?
I know it's a little off topic, but look at this: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/03/shadow-of-the-eternals-teaser-trailer
It's a spiritual successor made by the same creator. He's planning to crowdfund it: http://shadowoftheeternals.com/ (http://shadowoftheeternals.com/)
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 03, 2013, 02:44:54 PM
Different generations need different videogame icons to identify with. Right now for example kids all over Angry Birds and part of that is that that's THEIR game. It isn't their parents' game, it's for them. Every generation wants their own icons in all forms of entertainment.
When I was a kid it was all about Mario. Not Space Invaders or Pac-Man, that was old stuff. Atari tried to take on the NES with Centipede and Pole Position and us kids all laughed at their dinosaur games (which is funny because those were like five years old at the time). Nintendo really pulled it off with Pokemon. A different generation grew up, not as Mario fanatics, but as Pokemon nuts. That was important because it was a new IP for a new generation that was their own.
I think ideally Nintendo should try to have at least one new IP a generation become a big hit with each generation of gamers. I think a big part of why the Gamecube got such a weak reaction was that Nintendo pushed it a lot on existing Nintendo franchises to a market that was adopting GTA and Halo and "their" videogame icons. The Wii bucked the trend by introducing Wii Sports/Fit/Etc. and having a new group of gamers (many of which were casual adult gamers) adopt it as their own.
You don't stay fashionable if you stick to the same stuff and in entertainment everyone is looking for the next big thing. Remember Nintendo isn't just trying to sell to the same people that ate up Mario and Zelda on the NES. They constantly want new customers so they have to come across as current.
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Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2013, 02:56:02 PM
And yet Mario remains the most recognizable character in the world. Your examples of Pac-Man and Space Invaders don't work here because Mario is still relevant today. He hasn't lost popularity. Rather, he has only become more popular with every generation who then spend their formative years catching up on all the Mario games from yesteryear. Nintendo doesn't need to create a new Mario for a new generation because Mario still has that lasting appeal. If anything, it should show other companies how to protect a brand by constantly reinventing itself and not abusing its popularity with mediocre products. Not every Mario game needs to change gaming. It just has to not suck. Even the safe Mario games are still pretty good.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2013, 03:42:26 PM
And yet Mario remains the most recognizable character in the world. Your examples of Pac-Man and Space Invaders don't work here because Mario is still relevant today. He hasn't lost popularity. Rather, he has only become more popular with every generation who then spend their formative years catching up on all the Mario games from yesteryear. Nintendo doesn't need to create a new Mario for a new generation because Mario still has that lasting appeal. If anything, it should show other companies how to protect a brand by constantly reinventing itself and not abusing its popularity with mediocre products. Not every Mario game needs to change gaming. It just has to not suck. Even the safe Mario games are still pretty good.
He hasn't lost popularity because the adults of today are the ones who know who he is. Sure, kids play with him, but there are far more kids who like Angry Birds and want AB merchandise.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 03, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
Different generations need different videogame icons to identify with. Right now for example kids all over Angry Birds and part of that is that that's THEIR game. It isn't their parents' game, it's for them. Every generation wants their own icons in all forms of entertainment.
When I was a kid it was all about Mario. Not Space Invaders or Pac-Man, that was old stuff. Atari tried to take on the NES with Centipede and Pole Position and us kids all laughed at their dinosaur games (which is funny because those were like five years old at the time). Nintendo really pulled it off with Pokemon. A different generation grew up, not as Mario fanatics, but as Pokemon nuts. That was important because it was a new IP for a new generation that was their own.
I think ideally Nintendo should try to have at least one new IP a generation become a big hit with each generation of gamers. I think a big part of why the Gamecube got such a weak reaction was that Nintendo pushed it a lot on existing Nintendo franchises to a market that was adopting GTA and Halo and "their" videogame icons. The Wii bucked the trend by introducing Wii Sports/Fit/Etc. and having a new group of gamers (many of which were casual adult gamers) adopt it as their own.
You don't stay fashionable if you stick to the same stuff and in entertainment everyone is looking for the next big thing. Remember Nintendo isn't just trying to sell to the same people that ate up Mario and Zelda on the NES. They constantly want new customers so they have to come across as current.
THis is a really insightful observation. I think you may be on to something here. The trouble is, folks are mighty fickle. What's going to take off is basically a crap-shoot. I don't think it's worth Nintendo's time to try and engineer the "next big thing". Folks will smell the cynicism a mile off and stay away. So, Nintendo just does what they do and hopefully makes the best games they can. I agree they should at least attempt to push some new characters/IPs.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 03, 2013, 05:01:26 PM
Different generations need different videogame icons to identify with. Right now for example kids all over Angry Birds and part of that is that that's THEIR game. It isn't their parents' game, it's for them. Every generation wants their own icons in all forms of entertainment.
Indeed. That is why my 7 year old cousin can tell you who Woody and Buzz are but wouldn't have a clue who the hell Mickey Mouse is.
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Post by: Fjurbanski on May 03, 2013, 05:03:47 PM
None of that makes the old icons irrelevant. For instance, Mickey Mouse. He's still relevant after how many years?
Mario is plenty relevant to kids. Kids I know from my family friends all know and like mario (if they like video games at all, that is). Sure they like Angry Birds too, but that doesn't make Mario irrelevant at all.
And take your own example as a counter argument. Pokemon. Pokemon is NOT an icon for this generation of kids. It's an icon from MY generation of kids, but it's still very relevant. Certain things just have staying power, whether it's Mario or Mickey Mouse. New icons don't make old icons irrelevant.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 03, 2013, 05:07:48 PM
I think its a good idea to create new IPs every generation(at least 3). The two reasons are to expand the catalog and to stay current. Nintendo usually adds 1-3 per generation into the fold. At one point Starfox, F-Zero, and Pikmin were all new IPs. Nintendo also has IP attrition issues thanks to Rare.
Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Conker, Jet Force Gemini would probably have wii and wii u sequels ready if they never let them go.
From all indications Nintendo still own Eternal Darkness. I honestly don't care if Nintendo brings back a franchise...as long as its one that is due for a sequel. Things Like Mach Rider, Star Tropics, Eternal Darkness, Earthbound. Now granted it has been a while since there has been a proper Starfox game, but an unsatifactory release just came out on 3DS. F-Zero seems like a good candidate, but it also seems like something maybe that could be done by....SEGA?
I know it's a little off topic, but look at this: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/03/shadow-of-the-eternals-teaser-trailer
It's a spiritual successor made by the same creator. He's planning to crowdfund it: http://shadowoftheeternals.com/ (http://shadowoftheeternals.com/)
There may be a reason why he has to crowd fund it. This could be Octopussy vs Never Say Never here.
It might not make them irrelevant, but it does make them less relevant.
Not to the point where Nintendo needs something to take Mario's place. Yeah, they should make new IPs, everybody should. But Mario will always be Nintendo's main icon, and their main platformers will revolve around him. For every generation. It seems like some people in this thread are implying that isn't the case.
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 03, 2013, 07:11:40 PM
Different generations need different videogame icons to identify with. Right now for example kids all over Angry Birds and part of that is that that's THEIR game. It isn't their parents' game, it's for them. Every generation wants their own icons in all forms of entertainment.
Indeed. That is why my 7 year old cousin can tell you who Woody and Buzz are but wouldn't have a clue who the hell Mickey Mouse is.
That just tells me your cousin's parents only showed him Toy Story (possibly 1-3) and he's never been to Disneyland. My 3 year old son knows Mickey, Donald, Buzz, Woody, Simba, Wreck-It-Ralph, Merida, Lightning McQueen, Mater, Goofy, etc.
My son also loves trains and drawing and playing piano and hitting baseballs and basketball and football. Gotta give them variety for them to figure out what they like.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 03, 2013, 07:13:28 PM
@Fjurbanski
To be honest, I wasn't even getting involved in the Nintendo IP debate. I was just agreeing with Ian that each new generation attach themselves to something new.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 03, 2013, 07:48:23 PM
Mickey Mouse is still Disney's mascot but when was the last time they made a Mickey Mouse movie? They dont' just hammer out endless Mickey Mouse films anymore. There was a long time where Disney practically didn't make sequels at all. I'm not saying Nintendo should get rid of Mario but Disney would have died out before my parents were born if they stuck to making Mickey Mouse cartoons. Mario should always be part of Nintendo but cannot carry Nintendo forever.
Novelty is a big part of entertainment. That's part of what we're paying for. No one just listens to the same songs, watches the same episodes of the same shows, watches the same movies. You could get bored of the routine. People entertain themselves with novelty. That in itself justifies creating new IP.
Hell NSMB is a minor controversy among Nintendo fans because those of us that don't like it are BORED. That's the whole point. Does not the Wii U's failure to sell on the stength of a well made Mario game suggest that the public is growing tired of the formula? The formula no longer provides novelty, thus the need for new gameplay experiences. It will be easier for Nintendo to create new ideas if they are not constantly restricted by pre-existing IP.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 03, 2013, 07:54:24 PM
Disney never made that many true Mickey Mouse movies (meaning not the shorts that used to play in theatres before TV existed and were only a few minutes long).
And the NSMB games still sell very well.
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Post by: Fjurbanski on May 03, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
See, I haven't noticed that with the kids I know. What I've noticed is that kids don't attach onto new for the sake of new. Kids simply attach onto what they're given. Kids will like anything kid friendly if it's introduced to them at the right age. If cartoon network plays old cartoons mixed with new ones, then kids will grow up attached to both of them. If kids play Mario as well as Angry Birds, kids will grow up attached to them as well.
You said your cousin doesn't know Mickey Mouse. Well I can only assume that's because their parents didn't introduce them to Mickey Mouse, and to my knowledge Disney hasn't been making many new Mickey Mouse cartoons or movies lately. I could be wrong, but this is what I've observed. Kids latch on to what people try to sell them.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 03, 2013, 08:05:19 PM
Actually, Disney has a cartoon aimed at pre-school kids called Mickey Mouse Clubhouse that does pretty well. It's been on TV since 2006.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on May 03, 2013, 08:29:40 PM
You guys are really getting caught up in my Mickey Mouse allusion, lol.
I was simply trying to point out that Disney Pixar's creations are likely to be more influential for today's children than Walt Disney's. I actually didn't anticipate much debate about it. Now that you've got me thinking, however, I feel it's time for an incomprehensible stream of consciousness.
My broader point was that doing something new and original can be incredibly beneficial. Setting out to do something new invariably leads to more innovation than was originally intended. A few posts back Adrock said 'New for the sake of being new is pointless'; which I completely disagree with. Sometimes doing something new or different simply for the sake of it is exactly what is needed. That's what fashion is. Hell, that's what Science is! Starting something new forces you to look at a blank canvas, to consider things which might not have been conceivable within the restrictions of the old or the existing. New is good. Not inherently good of course, but good in the sense that it might lead to something innovative and worthwhile that did not exist before. Which was my original point. Look at what Toy Story has done for animation and story telling in children's films. If Mickey Mouse hasn't been ousted in our imaginations he better well should be.
...and that's why Retro should be allowed to create a new IP!
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Post by: Fjurbanski on May 03, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Retro should create a new IP if they feel like it and if they think it's good. Should they create a new IP right now, though? Well, I don't know. If the Wii U gets into a more comfortable position, then maybe they should. But right now they need to make a good game that will. That's hard to do with a new IP. Their best bets, probably, are familiar IPs. But that's just the business side. As a gamer I'd love to see a new IP from them (Honestly at this point I'd love to see anything from them, new or old).
And to everyone, let's not say Nintendo doesn't try new things. Remember, these are games, not fashion. Nintendo does try new things on the gameplay front. They try new things all the time. They've even ruined some games (imo) because they tried to make them different from their predecessors (Sticker Star). They just don't use new characters too often.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 04, 2013, 06:35:28 AM
idk if its hard to make a good new ip. I think at this point its more work to make an older franchise current, unless its been years since older franchise.
I mean Gears of War, Drakes Uncharted, and God of War are relatively new game franchises. If Sony and Nintendo can make good newfr anchises, then why cant Nintendo?
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Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2013, 08:28:03 AM
Again, they make new series because they have to. They would love to have Nintendo's stable of recognizable characters, but they don't so they have to create their own like Nintendo once had to. These companies aren't creating new franchises because they're more creative than Nintendo. And as we've seen, once they launch a successful one, they bleed them dry no matter how little it makes sense for the series. By last count, Ubisoft has released 41 Assassin's Creed games since the series launched in 2007. God of War's story arc ended with III over three years ago yet Sony still managed to release two additional games in the series.
Yes, Nintendo relies on their characters a little too much sometimes. As previously mentioned, Kirby's Epic Yarn is hardly a Kirby game. It even began as a completely original intellectual property before Nintendo asked Good Feel to change it. However, people are way too attached to this idea that companies, namely Nintendo, need to come up with new franchises for the newness of it.
Hypothetically, if the Galaxy team decides to make a Mario-esque game that is not a Mario game just so it's not a Mario game, consider why it shouldn't just be a Mario game. Why create something similar to Mario and try to replicate that level of success when you can just make a Mario game? Mario's universe is so open and inconsistent that Nintendo just does whatever they want in it. There are no rules. He can swim forever in one game, but has limited oxygen in another. He has a spacesuit in Super Mario Land, but not in Super Mario Galaxy. If you really think Nintendo needs to create a new franchise because they're too limited by the series to present new, innovate ideas, you haven't played enough Mario games. Nintendo has established the series as one where anything goes, one that constantly changes depending on what they want it to be depending on the game. It just so happens to be their most popular intellectual property.
Now, I'm not saying Nintendo shouldn't look to create new franchises. They should when appropriate. I think there has to be a balance. Creating a new franchise should make sense. What is the developer trying to accomplish? If they have to betray an entire character just to fit it into the series (e.g. Kirby's Epic Yarn), it should probably be its own franchise. I advocate Retro Studios creating a new franchise so long as they're creating something that Nintendo doesn't already have a hand in. If it means Retro Studios makes a first-person shooter, it makes sense to explore that because Nintendo has no first-person shooter franchises of their own and they're not getting nearly as much support in that area from third parties. However, if Retro Studios is basically making Metroid Prime without Samus, I really don't see the point. Yeah, it's new and may catch the attention of people who aren't Metroid fans since it lacks Metroid in the title, but I don't think that should be the only or even main reason. If it has to be new, really commit to it.
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Post by: RarityGamer on May 04, 2013, 12:26:13 PM
Just a thought. Out of all the great games Nintendo could have remade, they chose to remake Starfox 64 not long ago. Could that of been an attempt to get new people onboard and to gauge the interest in the series?
Either way, I really hope we get another Starfox game. I think they is a gap in the market for it. Think about it though, I can't think of a single 3d space shooter quite like Starfox 64 last or this gen.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 04, 2013, 01:23:49 PM
Just a thought. Out of all the great games Nintendo could have remade, they chose to remake Starfox 64 not long ago. Could that of been an attempt to get new people onboard and to gauge the interest in the series?
Either way, I really hope we get another Starfox game. I think they is a gap in the market for it. Think about it though, I can't think of a single 3d space shooter quite like Starfox 64 last or this gen.
That's pretty much exactly what it was. Miyamoto straight up said if we want a new one then buy this remake. I don't think the sales were that great to warrant a sequel, but I think they are making it. If you go back 7 years or so I've been saying that every May and June on these very forums, so I think odds are I'm due to be right.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 04, 2013, 03:45:43 PM
If you read interviews with Miyamoto over the past few years it seems pretty clear he really wants to do another Star Fox game. Like Pikmin before it, it's a series that means a lot to him that he won't let go away.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on May 05, 2013, 12:12:32 AM
If you read interviews with Miyamoto over the past few years it seems pretty clear he really wants to do another Star Fox game. Like Pikmin before it, it's a series that means a lot to him that he won't let go away.
This is like those persistent Kid Icarus rumors that popped up this time of year long before they announced the new game. It seems pretty certain there's some kind of Star Fox project percolating, especially with those Platinum Games trial balloons. It was like an actor hinting that they want to be cast as a character in an unannounced franchise movie.
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Post by: SonofMrPeanut on May 19, 2013, 02:51:38 AM
Mickey Mouse is still Disney's mascot but when was the last time they made a Mickey Mouse movie? They dont' just hammer out endless Mickey Mouse films anymore. There was a long time where Disney practically didn't make sequels at all. I'm not saying Nintendo should get rid of Mario but Disney would have died out before my parents were born if they stuck to making Mickey Mouse cartoons. Mario should always be part of Nintendo but cannot carry Nintendo forever.
Novelty is a big part of entertainment. That's part of what we're paying for. No one just listens to the same songs, watches the same episodes of the same shows, watches the same movies. You could get bored of the routine. People entertain themselves with novelty. That in itself justifies creating new IP.
Hell NSMB is a minor controversy among Nintendo fans because those of us that don't like it are BORED. That's the whole point. Does not the Wii U's failure to sell on the stength of a well made Mario game suggest that the public is growing tired of the formula? The formula no longer provides novelty, thus the need for new gameplay experiences. It will be easier for Nintendo to create new ideas if they are not constantly restricted by pre-existing IP.
I'm glad someone brought up Mickey not being featured in an actual Disney cartoon for decades until Mickey's Christmas Carol in 1983. Mario certainly saw a marvelous reinvention mechanically with the Galaxy games, but this runs parallel with the NSMB series that's had 3 entries since the first Galaxy. In the 1950s Disney was exploring new ideas through new characters and was content to let Mickey be instead of making more shorts (Mickey's NSMB equivalent). Nintendo's approach has been to come up with a mechanic first and then see what character would best fit that, often leading to the use of an existing character or series. Those in a creative position at Nintendo, Miyamoto or otherwise, have to justify using a new character/world to explore said base mechanic soon.
Incidentally, I'd consider Super Mario 64 his "Sorcerer's Apprentice" moment since it was a true showpiece and introduced us to modern Mario. Also, are 101 Dalmatians the Pikmin of Disney?
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Post by: Louieturkey on May 20, 2013, 07:43:25 PM
Nope, because you can only control 100 pikmin at a time. So they're missing one. :P
Olimar?
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Post by: AnGer on June 08, 2013, 09:04:21 AM
I for my part am going to jump into the freezing cold water of predictions and will state that Retro's new project will feature him: http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Takamaru
Why? Well... he's been featured in two Wii games (Captain Rainbow and Samurai Warriors 3) and got his own section in Nintendo Land. That might mean nothing, but remember the last time Nintendo brought a character believed to be long gone back to a game? Remember Pit's return in SSB Brawl? He got his own game a few years later.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 08, 2013, 03:22:11 PM
Prime came out a long time ago, but Other M came out in between to mixed reviews. It didn't look like the game for me. In some ways it seemed kind of insulting.
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Post by: Mop it up on June 08, 2013, 04:03:06 PM
I haven't been paying much attention, has it been confirmed that Retro's game will be revealed at E3, or is it simply highly likely?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 08, 2013, 04:49:09 PM
You'll find out in 2 days.
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Post by: Toruresu on June 09, 2013, 06:08:29 PM
Would it be possible that Retro's new game is one of the old games for GC they had to cancel at the moment? Raven Blade was it? Western RPG is something Nintendo has always lacked.
What other stuff they had to cancel?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on June 09, 2013, 06:20:38 PM
Would it be possible that Retro's new game is one of the old games for GC they had to cancel at the moment? Raven Blade was it? Western RPG is something Nintendo has always lacked.
What other stuff they had to cancel?
An untitled football game and an untitled vehicular combat game.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on June 10, 2013, 11:13:55 AM
If retro's new game is not @ e3, then it's vaporware. HOWEVER, I believe that its based on the tech demo from e3.2011...and remember my hunches are always right.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 10, 2013, 05:21:02 PM
the one with the bird and the cherry blossoms?
I was thinking maybe nintendo will do something very japanese like a Ninja game.
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Post by: EasyCure on June 10, 2013, 05:23:36 PM
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on June 11, 2013, 11:17:00 AM
Quick! Someone with photoshop skills replace the Diamond with a fruity tropical drink!
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Post by: ThePerm on June 11, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
They set up the hype dissapointment train. They told us "you're not ready to see what Retro is doing, but it is amazing!" "we'll show you a year from now!"
and its a...... simalicrum.
had they just made an announcement 6 months ago as a tweet or press release there would be no hype baloon.
They really need to control their speculation causing aspects.
So we've been waiting 2 years for something as safe and unambitious as this? Are there multiple teams at Retro? Or is this it?
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2013, 12:27:56 PM
LAME. Though did Nintendo create the hype or was it the gaming media? If this is all on Nintendo, they really are hopelessly disconnected with their fans. How would they ever assume that something so conventional and predicitable would be worthy of such hype?
Well, Nintendo, another E3 has come by and I'm still not buying a Wii U... because there is no point. You're not offering me anything in the near future that has not effectively already been done before. I'm sure this new Donkey Kong will be good but I don't NEED to play it. I couldn't give a **** if I never did because I played the DKC trilogy almost 20 YEARS AGO and am not really all that interested in new games in that style or at least not in such a way that I would buy a new console to do so.
NSMB was like a retro-revival... and now it's like Nintendo's thing. DKC Returns was a similar idea and now it's the convention. What the **** do I want to play so many sidescrollers in 2013? Nintendo was ironically LESS proliferic in this genre when it was current. These games are like what a shitty Nintendo would have released as N64 launch titles. They didn't because they USED to be brilliant and ambitious and creative. We're actually going BACKWARDS. Retro's FIRST game is more cutting edge than their most recent one. Think about how fucked up that is.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: ThePerm on June 11, 2013, 12:33:24 PM
maybe Iwata wants to get bought by another company, because his stock would go up a lot and he would become one of the richest men on earth.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on June 11, 2013, 12:39:51 PM
This hurts and its not fair because I'm sure Tropical Freeze will be an awesome game. HOWEVER WTF? Thats what we have? A 2D platformer? Really? It's almost enough to agree with EA. (almost). Back to earth. it will be fine.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2013, 01:02:36 PM
Almost no matter what, the hype was on Nintendo. They could've told us this and we'd be like, "Ok, that's cool, I guess." But the completely unnecessary secrecy led to build up and hype. Then they hyped it up. Ian's right that Nintendo is out of touch with its fanbase.
Never in a million years would I have guessed that Sony would learn the most from a console generation and Nintendo would learn the least.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: ThePerm on June 11, 2013, 01:07:54 PM
so ps4 is only $50 more than wii u?
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
Never in a million years would I have guessed that Sony would learn the most from a console generation and Nintendo would learn the least.
Sony dealt with adversity. The PS3 initially was bombing huge and they somehow turned things around. Nintendo, however, released a glorified last-gen console with virtually no third party support and it just printed money. Success can make you lazy. Nintendo learned the least because to them the Wii was such a financial success that they would assume that nothing needed to be learned. The Wii U is so far a very conventional follow-up to the Wii, suggesting that Nintendo asssumed that the same formula would have the same results.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: MagicCow64 on June 11, 2013, 03:02:14 PM
I'm pretty sure Retro has to be working on something else as well. RTF must be mostly done, and I can't imagine they'd need all those high profile hires to work on another Donkey Kong platformer. But whatever this follow-up is, my guess is that we won't see it til next year, possibly next E3. Apparently all that stuff about Nintendo being waaay behind on HD wasn't exaggerated!
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on June 11, 2013, 03:19:44 PM
I'm pretty sure Retro has to be working on something else as well. RTF must be mostly done, and I can't imagine they'd need all those high profile hires to work on another Donkey Kong platformer.
It's funny, because I remember a similar sentiment arose when the first DKCR was released. I recall that some people had convinced themselves that because smaller indie developers (sometimes made up of only a handful of individuals) are capable of putting out quality 2D platformers, that surely Retro's full might was not being employed to produce a DKC game? And that they MUST, therefore, have been secretly toiling away on some unannounced mind blower.
It's wishful thinking perhaps, but in the case of Tropical Freeze I would be quite pleased if it were to be revealed that Retro had in fact been developing two games simultaneously.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 11, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
The question I have is this:
Is there ANYTHING at all new in this title? Or is it the same damn game that we played a last time?
What a waste. My thoughts echo Oblivion's. Of all the title's retro can pick, they take one that has not evolved at all in 20 years? Why? They just want the easy road?
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: ThePerm on June 11, 2013, 08:21:39 PM
I'm pretty sure Retro has to be working on something else as well. RTF must be mostly done, and I can't imagine they'd need all those high profile hires to work on another Donkey Kong platformer.
It's funny, because I remember a similar sentiment arose when the first DKCR was released. I recall that some people had convinced themselves that because smaller indie developers (sometimes made up of only a handful of individuals) are capable of putting out quality 2D platformers, that surely Retro's full might was not being employed to produce a DKC game? And that they MUST, therefore, have been secretly toiling away on some unannounced mind blower.
It's wishful thinking perhaps, but in the case of Tropical Freeze I would be quite pleased if it were to be revealed that Retro had in fact been developing two games simultaneously.
I'm not going to fall for that again. I'm just going to assume that all they are working on is HD DKC with features Sega's Nights introduced back in the Saturn era.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: EasyCure on June 12, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
I know this won't dissipate all the hate but.. this game still looks FUN.
Damn, gamer's get butt-hurt so easily these days..
I hadn't realized there were no underwater levels in DKCR. My gf HATES the water levels in DKC1, thinks they're hard and creepy and makes me play through them. She actually thought the ones in DKCR2 were cool looking and wants to give them a try.
Can't wait for this game to come out.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: ThePerm on June 13, 2013, 03:38:06 AM
it isn't that I'm mad that the game is DKC, its that I'm made the manipulated the information to make it seem like a new franchise was coming out. There was no point to it.
The World "Hey Nintendo, what is Retro making?"
Nintendo "its a surprise!!!!!"
The World "I fucking hate surprises, why can't you tell me"
Nintendo "you're not ready!"
I am a character in Lost. The situation could have gone down like this.
The World "Hey Nintendo, what is Retro making?"
Nintendo "An HD Sequel to Donkey Kong Country Returns!"
The World "That sounds not only obvious considering you're last game, but also something I would like to check out, I'm glad you didn't keep it a secrect because that would create uneeded hype. I'm glad you were straight forward and not fucking stupid about it"
but you know what? because of this I'm NOT going to buy the game. Fucking jerk me around like I crashed on some Oceanic flight for 2 years.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: Adrock on June 13, 2013, 08:08:51 AM
I mentioned this in another thread. I think there's reason to believe Retro Studios has two teams: the one working on Tropical Freeze and another still working in secret that was expanded after Mario Kart 7 was released. It was released in December 2011 and a month later Retro Studios was hiring staff from Naughty Dog and Vigil Games. That's convenient. Maybe a bunch of people left and Retro Studios was simply filling those vacancies. Having a team work in secret isn't entirely new to this industry. No one knew Naughty Dog had two teams until The Last of Us was announced.
It's something to consider though I'm not going to get excited over anything. That was why I wasn't disappointed in Tropical Freeze. I didn't care what their game was (though I hoped for something brand new), but really, I just wanted to know what it was, be it DK, Metroid or whatever.
In any case, I don't think it's fair to blame Nintendo and Retro Studios for hyping anything. That's not really how they do things. They get hounded for info by the media and almost always give the standard "We have nothing to announce" line. Any time they say anything mildly different, it gets reported and rereported then ends up being this big deal that people hype up. I really wish they weren't so secretive with their projects, but anyone who buys into the hype does so at their own discretion.
Title: Re: Nintendo hope to introduce Retro's new Wii U game in 'not so distant future'
Post by: ShyGuy on June 13, 2013, 09:41:18 AM
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