Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2013, 03:54:41 PM
Title: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2013, 03:54:41 PM
A group of hackers are claiming they have cracked the Wii U, finding a way for people to circumvent the systems copy protection ad play pirated games from USB media. They say it's compatible with all Wii U models and regions and does not require soldering. The group claiming to do it apparently made one of the most popular drive chips for the Wii.
It can't be verified yet if this is true, but what impact do you guys see this having if it is? This is not somebody coming up with a way to mod a system to play homebrew games, these guys did this specifically as a way to let people pirate games.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: Adrock on April 30, 2013, 04:04:17 PM
It might have an impact if more that 300 people actually owned the console.
I wonder if the people who even buy Nintendo consoles are the hacking type. There will always be a subset of users who hack, but in general, I don't know if this will be much more than a blip on the radar.
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Post by: Fjurbanski on April 30, 2013, 04:21:02 PM
I can't imagine this becoming a big deal, as in, something that will have significant negative affects on Nintendo. If the Wii U manages to become successful, it'll be because they managed to convince the average consumer to purchase one. Just like they did with the Wii and like Microsoft did with the 360. The average consumer doesn't bother with this stuff.
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Post by: Oblivion on April 30, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Once it's a software hack, it'll be widespread. A friend of mine refuses to buy the Wii U until it can be easily software hacked.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: ejamer on April 30, 2013, 04:44:50 PM
It matters if publishers and/or developers think it matters. Any justification they have for not releasing games on Wii U is bad news for Nintendo and for early adopters of the system.
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Post by: Stogi on April 30, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
If this means I can play GC games on the Gamepad, then I'm all for it!
It matters if publishers and/or developers think it matters. Any bad excuse they have for not releasing games on Wii U is bad news for Nintendo and for early adopters of the system.
fixed
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: nickmitch on April 30, 2013, 07:50:05 PM
I think will likely affect when we get the next system update and what it contains.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 30, 2013, 08:11:05 PM
ODDEs are bad. There's really no legitimate use other than piracy. Maybe Nintendo is putting this out there as "Greek Lightning" to get out of the race...
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: lolmonade on April 30, 2013, 09:22:09 PM
It might have an impact if more that 300 people actually owned the console.
Damnit, ruined what I was going to say.
Ah well, might as well do it - now you'll be able to pirate the following popular WiiU games:
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: ShyGuy on April 30, 2013, 10:15:19 PM
Some people say the hacking of the PSP increased system sales.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: Oblivion on April 30, 2013, 10:16:47 PM
But that was a portable system. Even though I love it when game consoles are hackable, I doubt it'll increase sales too much. Did the Homebrew Channel ever cause more people to buy Wiis?
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: Shaymin on April 30, 2013, 10:47:09 PM
Some people say the hacking of the PSP increased system sales.
Same thing happened to the DS when flashcarts hit critical mass in '09 or so.
Wait, seriously? I always thought that flashcarts never really impacted the DS, considering you had to pay for one.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: Shaymin on April 30, 2013, 11:03:58 PM
Flashcarts had a noticeable effect on DS software sales, to the point that Nintendo went to the lengths of lobbying to make them illegal.
The point is you could buy the DS, buy a flashcart, and *never* have to buy a game. A lot of sellers in the UK especiall were selling DS systems with "40 games" (one flashcart loaded up with all the relevant games).
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2013, 11:11:35 PM
Flashcarts had a noticeable effect on DS software sales, to the point that Nintendo went to the lengths of lobbying to make them illegal.
And Nintendo succeeded. They are illegal in Japan, the UK, Hong Kong, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Belgium.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: Oblivion on April 30, 2013, 11:19:35 PM
Why didn't Sony do the same thing with the PSP?
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2013, 11:31:04 PM
Because DS piracy was done with a modchip. With the PSP, it was as simple as cutting a strip in the battery and downloading software (if a friend already did this, all you really need is to put their battery in your PSP, download the software, then give them back their battery). Sony did try revising the PSP to make it harder (it took about a year or 2 for the PSP-3000 to get hacked), but even those got hacked. You didn't actually need to buy anything to do it (though some sites already sold the modded "Pandora" batteries for those who didn't want to risk ruining their battery, which was possible if you messed up).
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 01, 2013, 12:12:12 AM
Because DS piracy was done with a modchip. With the PSP, it was as simple as cutting a strip in the battery and downloading software (if a friend already did this, all you really need is to put their battery in your PSP, download the software, then give them back their battery). Sony did try revising the PSP to make it harder (it took about a year or 2 for the PSP-3000 to get hacked), but even those got hacked. You didn't actually need to buy anything to do it (though some sites already sold the modded "Pandora" batteries for those who didn't want to risk ruining their battery, which was possible if you messed up).
No it wasn't. Ever.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 01, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
I was simplifying it down, but that is essentially what the R4 is.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 01, 2013, 12:29:47 AM
Flashcart != modchip.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: NIN_T on May 01, 2013, 02:28:14 AM
Congratulations on hacking it guys. We can now play all those great gam...oh...wait...
I suppose that's one way to tackle piracy. Well played Nintendo.
Hey, Hackers! While your rooting through it, could you find a way to speed up the OS? Ta.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: ShyGuy on May 01, 2013, 02:40:17 AM
Watch out Pokepal, there's a new troll in town!
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: NIN_T on May 01, 2013, 02:47:04 AM
Not really. I'll bash Nintendo, ms or Sony etc if they deserve it, and I'll give them credit when they earn it too. Nintendo did not invest anywhere near enough to push this console.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: ShyGuy on May 01, 2013, 02:50:36 AM
What is it with Kirby and the haters? Oblivion?
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2013, 04:29:00 AM
You rang?
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: NIN_T on May 01, 2013, 04:48:18 AM
I think he thinks I'm you. Last time I checked, I wasn't. Nor am I a troll.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2013, 07:41:03 AM
Nintendo Brushes Off Wii U Hacker Claims (http://kotaku.com/nintendo-brushes-off-wii-u-hacker-claims-486135415)
Quote from: Nintendo
"Nintendo is aware that a hacking group claims to have compromised Wii U security. However, we have no reports of illegal Wii U games nor unauthorized applications playable on the system while in Wii U mode. Nintendo continuously monitors all threats to its products’ security and will use technology and will take the necessary legal steps to prevent the facilitation of piracy."
(http://i.imgur.com/82Wl0.gif)
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: ejamer on May 01, 2013, 10:08:31 AM
Not quite related, but an interesting enough read and a window into why having Wii U hacked might deter some (especially smaller) developers:
It doesn't matter how many people would actually pirate games on Wii U - what matters is perception. If developers and publishers feel like it's not a healthy system to release games on, that's going to affect their willingness to spend money putting quality games onto the system. Why bother, if the small audience is made even smaller due to piracy?
Anyway, Game Dev Tycoon sounds interesting and the "anti-piracy measures" implemented made me laugh enough that I'm almost willing to buy the game without any further knowledge. Just reminded me of this discussion.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 01, 2013, 10:12:45 AM
Oh no, the dozens and dozens of studios actively making Wii U games right now will have to rethink that whole thing.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 01, 2013, 10:16:40 AM
To be fair that type of anti-piracy measure is superficial. They released the 'hacked" version of the game themselves.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: ejamer on May 01, 2013, 10:22:23 AM
Oh no, the dozens and dozens of studios actively making Wii U games right now will have to rethink that whole thing.
If there were dozens of studios already making games, then it would matter less. The fact that more studios seem to be playing the "wait and see" game with Wii U instead of actively making games is exactly why appearance matters so much right now.
But hey, bonus points awarded for a sarcastic response. I would've laughed if I wasn't so tired.
Game Dev Tycoon sounds interesting and the "anti-piracy measures" implemented made me laugh enough that I'm almost willing to buy the game without any further knowledge. Just reminded me of this discussion.
From what i understand, they deliberately uploaded buggy version on torrent sites as a ruse. And then published the story on how they sure showed them pirates.
Good going, guys.
Title: Re: Wii U supposedly hacked
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 01, 2013, 10:27:27 AM
To be fair that type of anti-piracy measure is superficial. They released the 'hacked" version of the game themselves.
That reminded me of a article, I think on IGN, hightligng their 8 favorite anti-piracy measures (not involving DRM). One was Mirror's Edge slowing down your character right when they were about to make a jump, Serious Sam had a big red scorpion appear that was immortal and super-fast, Grand Theft Auto IV made the camera swivel around non-stop. My favorite was from Nintendo for EarthBound, the game would have random enemy encounters non-stop; if you did have the patience to get to the end of the game anyways, during the final battle the game would freeze and delete your gamesave.
As for Game Developer Tycoon, I love how some of the people who obviously pirated the game then went to the official forums and complained about how they couldn't make a profit in the game because people kept pirating the games. It's like they didn't see the irony.
