Post by: LinkMaster3000 on June 03, 2003, 08:46:51 AM
Post by: JSasky on June 03, 2003, 08:51:53 AM
I dunno about having to use a Gameboy for the it though, way too much hardware for one game. I wish Nintendo would get off of this Gameboy connectivity kick, I think it is lame. Give me online gameing baby!
Sasky needs food, badly.
Post by: Zeth on June 03, 2003, 08:56:29 AM
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do you think Square will make FF 12 for gamecube?
Hell will freeze over before that ever happens.
Post by: DRJ on June 03, 2003, 09:52:57 AM
I really want a nice turn based RPG like FF7 for the Gamecube. Maybe pokemon will deliver if they ever make pokemon RPG.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 03, 2003, 10:11:44 AM
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Originally posted by: ZethQuote
do you think Square will make FF 12 for gamecube?
Hell will freeze over before that ever happens.
Well, nothing I have read about the game from Square-Enix has specified which system the game is going to be one. It has so far just been assumed is going to be on PS2
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 03, 2003, 10:39:25 AM
Post by: ShockingAlberto on June 03, 2003, 10:45:33 AM
I don't particularly mind - it's my opinion that the best games are usually system-specific.
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 03, 2003, 10:46:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
I'm sure it will be on PS2. On that note though, I think that FF12 might actually be something worth playing. Square's Final Fantasy team isn't making it, and the task has been given to Quest. Quest has yet to make a game that I don't like, and let's not forget that Quest was behind one of the greatest Final Fantasy games of all time. (Tactics)
Oh I don't doubt for a minute its not going to be on the PS2, but I find it funny that without anything concrete about it sites are listing it as a PS2 game. As for Quest making FF12, that's new to me. Hopefully it will give the series a boost of creativity. I liked Final Fantasy Tactics and ordered Final Fantasy Tactics Advance last week.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 03, 2003, 10:48:24 AM
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Originally posted by: ShockingAlberto
Due to legality and exclusivity reasons, FF12 (or no part of the Final Fantasy main series) will not see it's way out of the Playstation 2's gaze in this generation.
I don't particularly mind - it's my opinion that the best games are usually system-specific.
-- ShockingAlberto
What exclusivity reasons?
Post by: ShockingAlberto on June 03, 2003, 10:53:36 AM
It's not exactly a contractual agreement, but a large amount of Square-Enix is invested in by Sony. As such, Square agreed (under the table) that every non-online Final Fantasy main series would go to Playstation 2. Enix has also pledged to be nearly Playstation 2-exclusive with their games.
Finding a cite on old gaming news is difficult. I'll edit this post if I can find the above stories.
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 03, 2003, 10:59:11 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 03, 2003, 11:02:02 AM
Post by: DrForester on June 03, 2003, 11:41:10 AM
Post by: rpglover on June 03, 2003, 11:57:07 AM
i dont like to admit to it but drforester is right- square really just wants the gba
they want to put games on the gba since developement costs on the games for that system are low and they will make a good profit
but i dont know if square will stop developing on the gc- it depends on how ffcc will sell
it is a most wanted on many charts in japan so hopefully it does sell well
if the game could turn out good and sell about a million then square may rethink their strategy and put more games on the gc
Post by: Ninja X on June 03, 2003, 04:15:35 PM
Post by: SatansNemesis on June 03, 2003, 04:16:36 PM
Post by: minor incident on June 03, 2003, 04:39:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Ninja X
I pray GBA connectibity is optional. That would ruin such a great game, as having mandatory GBA connectivity is going to kill most of the GCN market for this game.
Unfortunately, the only report I've heard to date that would make you happy has been IGN's initial misconception. Fortunately though, committing retail suicide does not detract from how fun this game is going to be.
Post by: Ninja X on June 03, 2003, 04:42:24 PM
Just finding three friends with a GBA and some connection cables is my problem...
Post by: telaris on June 03, 2003, 05:02:59 PM
Very True. I will be very angry if square or nintendo make it final that you must buy a gba plus the conn. cord to play multi player FF:CC. I will hate them forever!
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 03, 2003, 05:21:20 PM
Post by: minor incident on June 03, 2003, 06:44:42 PM
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I like when my friends summarize them for me, but I'd die of boredom if I were to play one alone. I am definitely not a fan of your typical game RPGs (the genre that's generally considered RPG, I mean).
From my point of view, even playing alone should be great, it looks like a top-notch Square action-rpg. Did Kingdom Hearts lose anything by not giving you the ability to pass control of Goofy or Donald over to a friend?
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 03, 2003, 06:47:25 PM
And any contracts that Square had with outside sources were liquidated.
Post by: )Dark-LInk( on June 03, 2003, 07:07:28 PM
And for the FFXII i sure hope NINTENDO gives a downpayment to Square/enix to put it on GC to.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 03, 2003, 08:16:57 PM
Also, any other FF game that maybe made for the Gamecube or next gamecube is greatly impacted by the sales of Crystal Chronicles.
So get the FREAKING game! I'm sure its great 1 player too!
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 04, 2003, 09:28:16 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on July 08, 2003, 03:49:34 PM
Post by: greenwisher on July 08, 2003, 06:13:28 PM
Greetings Nintendo,
I am a avid fan of the your company and all it's
innovative products. I have been eagerly awaiting the
latest installment of the final fantasy series coming
to the gamecube. After reading reviews and news from
the recent E3 conference I was very concerned over the
multiplayer aspects of ff crystal chronicles. More
specifically, the requirement of a gameboy advanced
for multiplayer gaming.
I believe the review stated that the game requires
players to use the gameboy advanced to access the
multiplayer game. This requirement is a very expensive
and limiting constraint that may affect my choice to
purchase the game. I enjoy playing multiplayer games
on my gamecube, however I do not currently own a
gameboy advanced.
While I understand that this feature is intended to
"enhance" the game, I feel that this also seriously
limits gameplay as a major aspect of the game will not
be accessible without a gameboy advanced. Essentially,
this would not "enhance" the gameplay as it does for
other games such as Splinter Cell and Zelda.
In some ways, I (and a number of my friends who own
gamecubes) feel this limitation on gameplay would be a
further departure from our "gaming demographic." We
are working professionals (and lifelong gamers) who do
not have a need for a gameboy advanced, as we do not
have time for gaming while away from home. I hope this
is not a trend that will further limit future titles
available for multiplayer games. I have had a number
of friends recently sell their gamecubes, looking to
competing companies for their large selection of
third-party games. To an avid and outspoken Nintendo
enthusiast this is very disappointing.
I am writing this letter in the hopes that you will
seriously reconsider the system requirements for this
particular title. With the limited number of
multiplayer role-playing games available for the
gamecube, I have been eagerly awaiting this title for
sometime. It would be very disappointing to have
another title that I may not be able to play.
I have found that Nintendo tends to be a very
thoughtful company with innovative products and ideas.
I feel that my thoughts reflect a number of
individuals and hope that my letter is seriously
considered.
Response:
Thank you for your e-mail. We appreciate your feedback regarding the
multi-player capabilities of Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles. I am
going to forward you comments along to the appropriate departments here
at Nintendo for further review.
wow, great....
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 09, 2003, 12:06:16 AM
Christ people, wisen up.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 09, 2003, 01:43:30 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on July 09, 2003, 03:21:58 AM
As for FFCC, there's not going be any friendly AI, so no squadmates. Was kinda dissappointed with that news myself, was hoping for KH type of combat.
FFCC comes out in August for Japan, think it was delayed until the 21st? So I expect more info soon.
Post by: Gup on July 09, 2003, 07:17:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
As for FFCC, there's not going be any friendly AI, so no squadmates. Was kinda dissappointed with that news myself, was hoping for KH type of combat.
Kingdom Heart was such craptacular game. After an hour of repetitive combat and boring storyline, I shipped it backed to Blockbuster. The main reason why I played was because I wanted to see some Cloud and Sephiroth, but then I just used the internet for pics.
Post by: DRJ on July 09, 2003, 08:07:05 AM
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I don't recall anyone complaining about needing a GBA to use the Tingle Tuner
The Tingle Tuner turned out to be a nice idea, I liked it, but the bottom line is that you dont need to have it to enjoy the game. Now as for the FF:CC requirement, I dont like that it is mandatory. For me, I already have 5 GBA in my house, with me and my brothers, so all I would need are some extra link cables. I think this should be something that enhances the game, If you have it, then you have something extra to enjoy, but if you dont have it you should not have to miss out on the game, and you should not have to spend 100s of dollars on equipment.
People will probably say, well if you dont have the equipment dont play the game. But I just think that this will limit sales of the game. I just dont like being forced to do something that will cost me more money. For example online games: I dont want a game that has to be played online, and I have to pay a fee. I like Diablo II and Warcraft III because I can play them offline if I want, Online if I want etc. It should be the same way with GBA connectivity. Use it if you want, dont use it if you want, do whatever you want.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 09, 2003, 08:48:42 AM
True but the cost requirements of those titles is a lot smaller. Four GBAs with four link cables is like a $400 requirement to play the game with four players. That's pretty expensive and from any impressions I've read the GBA requirement doesn't really make any sense and is basically just used as a gimmick. The game could probably have been done fine without any hardware requirements.
What really bugs me about this is that Nintendo requested that the game use the GBA connection. Square has exactly what it wants: a GBA license. I really doubt that they care at all about the Gamecube and this one title is just a trade for GBA support. As a result it is very important for this title to be successful because if it's not then Square has a way out of making any more Cube games. By enforcing this stupid hardware requirement Nintendo may have accidentaly sabotaged their own game and given Square an excuse to bail right from the get-go. I'm hoping this title is still amazing with one player so that people will still enjoy the game and the GBA requirement will be more like a bonus.
In most cases I would frown on the idea of buying a game just to support a company or increase sales but in this case I'm willing to make a big exception. Unless the game gets absolutely trashed in reviews (like Unlimited Saga bad) I'll buy it on release day to make sure that Nintendo's and Square's relationship isn't soured after one game.
Post by: Berny on July 09, 2003, 09:13:36 AM
Post by: greenwisher on July 09, 2003, 04:55:53 PM
I agree whole heartedly. My problem with the gba connectivity is that it's now LIMITING gameplay. It's no longer "enhancing" the game. I thought that was the original idea of making connectivity an option on the new N games. I feel as if N is trying to force consumers into buying more of thier hardware, hardware we don't need and shouldn't have to buy. I don't need a GBA. I enjoy my cube, and don't have time to play games away from home. I think N should push the LAN idea instead of the connectivity with GBA.
Food for thought...
Post by: Ymeegod on July 09, 2003, 05:14:21 PM
Actually isn't it enhancing? No more split-screen needed instead each player has a mini-screen to access their inventory without interfering with the others.
The only issue with it is the control pad (directional pad--GBA) vrs the the Dialog stick (GC).
I'm looking forward to it still.
Post by: BlkPaladin on July 09, 2003, 05:16:02 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2003, 09:30:19 PM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on July 10, 2003, 03:53:38 AM
I also hope it will be fun to play alone, since none of my friends have a GC or GBA.
Post by: Mario on July 10, 2003, 03:57:24 AM
Anyway, i look forward to playing this game with my many GBA's
Post by: Oldskool on July 10, 2003, 04:12:50 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 12, 2003, 07:00:50 AM
Post by: DRJ on July 12, 2003, 02:02:12 PM
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but a GBA is NOT mandatory for multiplayer, a regualar GC controller can be used, but the team will lack important information such as detailed maps and enemy info. This was recently stated by Nintendo itself, and is not a rumor.
You will need a GBA to play multiplayer. You can play single player with a regular controller, you can play single player with a GBA, you can play single player with a regular controller and a GBA, or you can play multiplay with all GBA. There is currently no multiplayer support without using GBA as a controller. This may change for the US release, but that is highly unlikely.
"Most importantly, Nintendo is confirming that it's not required to use a Game Boy Advance to play the game in single player"
Source
If you go here you can clearly see all the set ups that you can use. Its all in Japanese, but the pictures are pretty self explanetory.
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 12, 2003, 04:38:15 PM
(and I defidently did NOT edit my post!)
Post by: The Matrixter on July 13, 2003, 10:20:03 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 13, 2003, 01:29:34 PM
Post by: Uglydot on July 13, 2003, 07:51:03 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 15, 2003, 10:49:03 AM
Final Fantasy 1 -NES
Final Fantasy 2 -NES
Final Fantasy 3 -NES
Final Fantasy 4 -SNES
Final Fantasy 5 -SNES
Final Fantasy 6 -SNES
Final Fantasy 7 -PS
Final Fantasy 8 -PS
Final Fantasy 9 -PS
Final Fantasy 10 -PS2
Final Fantasy 11 -PS2
Final Fantasy 12 -PS2
Final Fantasy X-2 doesn't count because it's not a main Final Fantasy title, but instead a direct sequel, something the series has never seen before. And Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for GCN doesn't count either since it's not a true Final Fantasy game. And Final Fantasy Tactics (and, Advance) for PS and GBA respectively doesn't count either for the same reason, and the same goes for Final Fantasy Mystic Quest.
To go even further, but stretching it, but then you would have to discount Final Fantasy Adventure because it was not similar to Legend series at all, even though both were slapped with the Final Fantasy title for name recognition.
Final Fantasy Legend -Gameboy
Final Fantasy Legend 2 -Gameboy
Final Fantasy Legend 3 -Gameboy
So what I'm saying is my theory means that Final Fantasy has historically seen three titles per system before changing.
Post by: CO_Hawke on July 15, 2003, 11:12:19 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on July 15, 2003, 11:18:12 AM
Post by: MysticGohan on July 15, 2003, 01:50:28 PM
It's a thought.
Post by: DRJ on July 15, 2003, 03:29:14 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 17, 2003, 05:20:09 PM
Final Fantasy XII has disappointing artwork (not very original), but otherwise it still seems to be shaping up to be a good game.
I actually bought Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. It's not the best game in the world, but there's nothing really wrong with it either.
Things are actually shaping up for Final Fantasy, and I am pleased to see that. Garbage like Final Fantasy 8 - 11 can be forgotten in time I suppose. I just hope that my faith isn't misplaced. Fool me once, shame on them. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice... well... I'm about as stupid as you can get. At least I didn't buy FF9, FF10, FF10-2, or FF11.
Post by: mouse_clicker on November 17, 2003, 05:23:49 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 17, 2003, 05:26:35 PM
It's like the ultimate Mana game. Now we can all forget about that horrible mistake known as Legend of Mana, and get back to the good gaming that's important. 
Post by: WesDawg on November 17, 2003, 06:44:33 PM
Anyways, I'm getting to the point where I'd believe a megaton rummer that they are porting it to several consoles. They don't seem to squeemish about PC ports right, but I guess you gotta be that way if you're making a MMORPG. They've got people around now who've done Cube work too. I guess I'm just crossing my fingers. I'd buy it even if it was as crappy as 8 and had only 5 seconds of play time, the rest as video. I miss it that much I think. I'm pathetic.
Post by: seven_chaos on November 17, 2003, 08:11:46 PM
IX - good, very reminiscent of old school
X - very mediocre game, kind of dissapointing
XI - good for what it is. final fantasy really shouldnt be an online game tho, but hey square made it work quite well.
XII - looks like X character art all over again. but I have faith in Square-Enix and in Yasumi Matsuno.
As far as Square coming back for the N5. I think its VERY possible. Nintendo is going to take back the market. That is easily foreseeable.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 17, 2003, 11:55:55 PM
We're using a team of Duran(Paladin), Hawk(Nightblade), and Lise(Starlancer). Close to near the end of the game, but lots of room for leveling-up.
For those with ??? in ze Melons, Seiken Densetsu 3 is "Secret of Mana 2"(JPN). It's Square's gameplay successor to Secret of Mana, and the story dates back long before Sword of Mana. Personally, I love the character balance/diversity/skill dispersion and game mechanics more than Secret of Mana, though the sincerity and sweetness of Secret of Mana's story and music blows it to the Mushroom Kingdom. Not bringing this game officially stateside I think was a big mistake by Square.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 18, 2003, 01:42:21 PM
Sword of Mana was Seiken Densetsu 1.I have played Seiken Densetsu 3 as well, but I don't share the love for it that many people have. I vastly preferred Secret of Mana, as it had a more clearly defined story, and the general feel of the game was better. The music was also much better for the most part. Only 2 tracks really stood out in Seiken Densetsu 3, while I loved pretty much the whole soundtrack in Secret of Mana.
Post by: Mario on November 18, 2003, 02:44:09 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on November 18, 2003, 02:52:42 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2003, 03:05:57 PM
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Professional, Secret of Mana was known as Seiken Densetsu 2 in Japan.
I know that already. Did anything in my post contradict that?
And Sword of Mana *will be* (upon release) Seiken Densetsu 1. Final Fantasy Adventure is the original Seiken Densetsu.
Either way, Seiken Densetsu 3 is the prequel to the previous Seiken Densetsu games.
Post by: Grey Ninja on November 18, 2003, 03:13:21 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 18, 2003, 07:23:08 PM
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 21, 2003, 11:18:27 AM
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Post by: vudu on November 22, 2003, 04:13:32 AM
i heard a loooooooooong time ago that square was planning on rereleasing a bunch of old games on gba. anyone know if this is true or not? i've been meaning to get this game for the longest time, and if they don't have plans on rereleasing it on gba anytime soon i'll have to scour ebay for a used snes copy.
Post by: Darc Requiem on November 22, 2003, 09:57:49 PM
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Rpglover is correct. Best of the series.
Thats purely opinion : ) While I enjoyed FF6, I hated Kefka and the game was a perfect 10 during the World of Balance and the World of Ruin was a chore. I despised it. After I finished FF6 twice, I'd play it throught the World of Balance and then start over again. My favorite FF of all time is still FF4, it was short and linear but the characters were the most memorable to me.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Koopa Troopa on November 23, 2003, 06:41:11 AM
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i heard a loooooooooong time ago that square was planning on rereleasing a bunch of old games on gba. anyone know if this is true or not? i've been meaning to get this game for the longest time, and if they don't have plans on rereleasing it on gba anytime soon i'll have to scour ebay for a used snes copy.
You can get a used PSOne (should be about 20-30 dollars), then buy FFOrigins, FFAnthology, FFChronicles... One of those is harder to find now, I think, not sure which one (I know it isn't Origins). Anth/Chron should be going on Greatest Hits soon, though.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 23, 2003, 09:13:19 AM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on November 23, 2003, 10:43:18 AM
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but dont forget those horrid PSone load times, I get all good games will have a draw back.
Yeah, that is true. And it is pretty annoying, but some of these games are too hard to find in their original form.
Post by: akdaman1 on November 28, 2003, 12:51:51 PM
PLEASE...this would be a big favour.
Post by: Smashman on November 28, 2003, 01:00:26 PM
Post by: akdaman1 on November 28, 2003, 02:37:53 PM
Post by: Mario on November 28, 2003, 03:10:59 PM
Also wouldn't playing without the GBA be a little pointless, unless there's a way to... have 4 screens that only each individual player can see, without having GBA's, i think using controllers would defeat the purpose of the game. Oh well, doesnt concern me, i have enough GBAs for everyone!
Post by: akdaman1 on November 28, 2003, 04:42:57 PM
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I could, if they didn't ban me with absolutely no reasoning what-so-ever. GAF has terrible mods, it's just disgusting. Meh.
Also wouldn't playing without the GBA be a little pointless, unless there's a way to... have 4 screens that only each individual player can see, without having GBA's, i think using controllers would defeat the purpose of the game. Oh well, doesnt concern me, i have enough GBAs for everyone!
Including me?
Anyway..is there anyone else who can help me? I have a SP but i want to play with my bro...maybe if I steal one off Mario...hmmm...nah he is cool.
Post by: akdaman1 on November 29, 2003, 01:46:35 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on November 30, 2003, 08:42:46 AM
She has since been female since her reappearance in Super Mario RPG...
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Post by: KDR_11k on November 30, 2003, 08:57:19 PM
Post by: The Omen on December 01, 2003, 12:55:57 AM
Post by: Crono on December 01, 2003, 04:06:01 PM
thanks
Post by: rpglover on December 01, 2003, 04:41:13 PM
i dont know the exact total but i would suspect it to be around 300-500 k (dont quote me) respectable but the numbers were not that high
Post by: soracloudtidus on December 01, 2003, 06:12:03 PM
And then Square will make another GC game or will start working for the next gen system. Support this game comon it's Final Fantasy back on Nintendo and with a new twist and don't tell me you don't have friends with gbas that like FF. Last time I check the gbas where selling millions of units and that doesnt seem to be stopping any time now.I will buy myself a gba sp on bday (sunday!!!) plus the link cable and mario and luigi super star saga..but thats another topic for another forum.
Post by: Grey Ninja on December 01, 2003, 06:19:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 01, 2003, 06:25:41 PM
But it's still nice to have hope though... ^_^
Post by: soracloudtidus on December 01, 2003, 06:37:51 PM
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All that is lost now.
Hmmm maybe not all is lost my friend. You and I know what separates good games from mediocre games. We are tired of the same stuff being throw at us. It is true there are a lot of ignorant people out there but think of this, If I at least teach one of these ignorant people out there the difference between the same old crap and new stuff then I am saving $50 or more of hard earned cash on a game that doesnt deserv it and put it down on one that does. I have done it, convincing people of buying cubes, viewtiful joe games( I still dont have it
) , mario kart and the likes. I am a big N mark I will be honest and one of the reasons I love my cube and Nintendo so much is for their quality and originality when it comes to making games. Of course not everything they do is right but that's ok with me. We ( u and I and everyone that cares!!) must start teaching people what good gaming is about. I have save some people of buying bad stuff at every eb, or gamestop that I visit isn't it time that everyone starts caring before we are taking over by more and more game clones formulas?Is it really hard for game devolopers to come out with new ideas? I think FF:CC is gonna be great and everyone should support it. IF the game is crap ( which I doubt) I'll be the first one to put my foot on my mouth and wonder where have all the good games gone?Post by: akdaman1 on December 01, 2003, 06:58:14 PM
But the gba thing is a major gimmik. The game sold 320-240k .
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 02, 2003, 07:14:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill
Birdo is only a transvestite in Super Mario 2!
She has since been female since her reappearance in Super Mario RPG...
I would hope so, since it's appearance in M&L is clearly feminine. If it was still a transvestite, that would make the scene scary.
I was wondering though about that scene, because I always thought that birdo was umm... confused to be politically incorrect, originally being a man, now a woman. Not a transvestite anymore, now a transexual.
