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Title: GCN Succesor Takes Shape
Post by: OsonCubed320 on June 03, 2003, 07:59:16 AM: According to IGN, Developers are saying more on Nintendo's next gen console.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/422/422116p1.html

No you cannot just copy an article and post it in our forums. -Bloodworth

Oh yes, remember the excitment?!
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Post by: LinkMaster3000 on June 03, 2003, 08:40:20 AM: all right, I'm geting a job over the summer so I'll probaly have more a ton of money for the next system
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Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 03, 2003, 01:51:32 PM: OsonCube, you have the remove the Copied text of IGN from your post or the mods will close this thread down. It is an infrindgement of copyright laws.

But about the news. It is great to hear that we won't be getting a Nintendo system a year after Sony comes out with theres. In fact, we may be getting it earlier, but I'm guessing it'll be around the same time. Although I only wonder about one thing, how much better will the sucessor be?

I also hope they have either Link or Mario as their launch title. This would help in competition against PS3's and Xbox 2's line-up.

Since the release is scedhuled for Spring 2005, I'm guessing that is Japan only. Then Fall 2005 will be the North America/European release.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on June 03, 2003, 02:36:08 PM: Nothing to big yet.. But its good to hear that Nintendo is corting the third party before it finished most of its designes.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 03, 2003, 03:42:37 PM: I'm just afraid of teh fact that if the release it early, no one will buy it cause they're waiting for the PS3.
But yes, they HAVE to launch with Mario. AND ZELDA. That alone will ensure massive sales.
A Star Wars game, a racing game and a fighting game are also needed for the launch line-up. And by then, Nintendo shoul dhave someone to make a racer in the mould of Gran Turismo and/or Project Gotham.
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Post by: Ninja X on June 03, 2003, 04:04:32 PM: Zelda's special...not a launch title...

As for Mario...this would be ideal launch to launch the true sequel to Mario 64.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 03, 2003, 04:16:08 PM: yeah, i know, in that case they should have some sort of Zelda-esque title, like Fire Emblem or Earthbound. Or even the hugely anticipated Pokemon RPG.

It would be good if Nintendo had Zelda for at least ONE launch of a console though wouldn't it?
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Post by: The Omen on June 03, 2003, 04:26:36 PM: Metroid...and another RE with Mario would be more than enough to sell it. Of course, having a game like Metal Gear solid 4 would be perfect....or, dare i say GTA4 exclusive...hehe
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Post by: Ninja X on June 03, 2003, 04:36:37 PM: Well, let's just hope Luigi's Mansion 2 isn't the new system's flagship launch title.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 03, 2003, 04:39:04 PM: at least have some sort of long lasting game.
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Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 05:06:15 PM: The long awaited anticipated game that everyone wants, a true console 3D pokemon RPG, would be perfect to launch with. And they also need a mario game and a mature game, by Retro Studious or Silicon Knights or Capcom. Nintendo releasing earlier or before the PS3? Yes! Nintendo will dominate next gen, wait and see peasants...
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Post by: NintendosFinest on June 03, 2003, 05:28:10 PM: "I'm just afraid of teh fact that if the release it early, no one will buy it cause they're waiting for the PS3."

Well, I think it's better to release GCN2 early. Nintendo has no other choice. Going head on with Ps3 at launch is suicide, as well as releasing it after. Nintendo should launch with a revolutionary Mario, which hopefully drops the whole " star collecting " thing. It's getting repetitive. ( IMO )

Zelda should wait until the second year of the GCN2's lifetime. I agree with your other game choices though.

Dont forget Nintendo needs an exclusive FPS at launch from Retro!
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Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 05:31:41 PM: Nintendo DEFINATELY needs to get thier act together next gen if they want to be number one again. It's almost like Sony set the rules for Nintendo this gen:

- You have to launch 18 months after PS2
- You cannot have a killer Mario 64 type title for launch
- No significant full-fledged roster of third-party software until year 3 of the GCN lifespan
- No GoldenEye type of title
- A non-threatening purple lunch-box design
- No DVD playback to make the $100 price difference (intially) moot in the eyes of the average consumer.
- No sustained strategy on getting older consumers, a stead-fast focus on N64-styled
family fare.
- No clear GCN-GBA Link-Up until mid-way though the console life-cycle.
- No focused online strategy
- No marketing campaigns that actually sell anything
- Panasonic is allowed to make a DVD version of the Cube as long as it's only
released and marketed in niche quantities so that is never makes a market impact.
- Retro can be a good studio, but only after reshuffling the deck considerably and losing
Rare.

Next gen Nintendo will be grabbing for Sony's throat. Nintendo vs Sony, FIGHT!
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Post by: SCF on June 03, 2003, 05:32:59 PM: Finally the big N after 2 console launch realizes that to be first they had to do things right from the start. We all know that trying to bring the console early might not be a good thing ( DC anyone?) or it might be a good thing (ps2...well kinda). So I welcome this news with great hope that the big N will learn from their mistakes and put a great console out. Big 3rd party support, triple A first party titles and heavy marketing that should start as early as e3 2k4 ( or even earlier) will create a lot of hype and good.Also more RPGS please.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on June 03, 2003, 05:49:21 PM: I'll be getting it, and I personally believe that the success of a console (not the goodness of, just success) depends on when it comes out. Most casual gamers will immediately get the first next gen system that comes out, much like they did for PS2. Nintendo will always have its fanbase, but for the masses, all they need to do is release early. The kiddie image is a tiny problem compared to release date, and that false illusion is even now being shaken off.
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Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 06:02:38 PM: A good idea for Nintendo would be to make thier next system backwards compatable with the GameCube, and then lower the price of all GC games to $10 or $20, and advertise them like thier new, the casual gamer would never know. Or if their going for the whole "Ultimate Games Machine" look, then they could try to make it backwards compatable with every Nintendo console, from NES to GC.

But on top of that, they definately need a strong line up of games, FROM DAY ONE! SSB3, a Pokemon RPG, a Factor 5 game and a Mario game should all be available on day one. SSB3 would cover the fighting genre and the multiplayer genre. Pokemon would cover the "kiddies", pokemon fans, and rpg fans. Factor 5 can cover the graphics, and make a graphically stunning version of Star Wars or perhaps something new. A high quality Mario game is a MUST! Super Mario Bros, Super Mario World and Super Mario 64 are three of the highest selling games of all time, it makes sense. Some Capcom games would be nice too

Anyway, im still content with my GameCube and im highly anticipating lots of GC games like Mario Kart, Pikmin 2, Fzero etc.
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Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 03, 2003, 06:06:45 PM: Hmm, I'll be 16 by the time it releases here, maybe I could get my parents to buy it....O.o?

Any ways, you guys need to speak realistically. Nintnedo would never launch Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda simltaneously for a luanch. That would be ludacris. It would be smarter to realease them 3 months apart, spanning throughout the entire year. I for one, think Pokemon RPG won't happen for a very long time. After this years E3 display, there wasn't even a hint of it. Just a bunch of side-quest- poke games. There is talk about another Zelda for Gamecube, and if so, that would leave no time to make a Zelda for the console launch. This leaves Mario. You could argue that Nintendo has something for him, as well, but I have other ideas. I think Nintendo is purposely holding off Mario until launch. I would expect it to be a major improvement and difference from Mario Sunshine.

I doubt a second party or third party would ever have the honor of being Nintendo's flagship launch title. Even if they have GTA4 or MGS4, I can definitely bet you the flagship title will be by Nintendo.
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Post by: NintendosFinest on June 03, 2003, 06:09:22 PM: Even if Nintendo does some of this stuff, I still cant see them becoming number 1. Casual gamers are going to go to the Playstation name no matter what.

Hopefully, im wrong...
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 03, 2003, 06:09:34 PM: For GC2 launch:
Pilotwings
Kid Icarus
Star Wars: Imperial Attack: Rogue Squadron 4
Mario Kart: Triple Dash Online
Pokemon World Online.
Super Smash Bros Tournament Online
Dead or Alive 4: Bigger, Bouncier, Babelicious.
Luigi's Garden.
Quake 43: We Found One More Arena.
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Post by: Matrix on June 03, 2003, 06:21:11 PM: Quote
Even if Nintendo does some of this stuff, I still cant see them becoming number 1. Casual gamers are going to go to the Playstation name no matter what.
Not if it isn't practical. If MS and Sony take these entertainment hubs they've been pushing for too far, then they may end up with a console that'll be too expensive to be practical. If that's the case, Nintendo will have the far more affordable system because it will be game only. If big N can do that, and have some decent launch titles, they could very well become numero uno again.

Of course, I live in a beutiful dream world.
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Post by: Grey Ninja on June 03, 2003, 07:40:36 PM: Whatever the next console has, I just have one request of Nintendo, and I am BEGGING for this one.

NO BUILT IN DVD PLAYBACK!
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Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 11:35:45 PM: Why not? No-one forces me to watch DVD's on my PS2.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 04, 2003, 12:01:03 AM: the beginning of a new generation is like a new beginning..actually to tell you the truth..Nintendo might love to see gc's successor released on the same day as ps3. Think hardcore Nintendo fanatics would cause a ruckus! A damn Ruckus i say!
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Post by: Grey Ninja on June 04, 2003, 12:32:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: Mario
Why not? No-one forces me to watch DVD's on my PS2.

Because I don't want to pay the extra money for DVD playback, and I see it as a completely useless "feature" anyways. I would see it as Nintendo compromising their principles to serve a bunch of idiots who don't realize that they can have a standalone DVD player for cheaper than their "other" consoles.

I want my console to play games, not movies.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on June 04, 2003, 09:14:36 PM: In addition to that you are inviting money that may be spent on games for the system, for something else like DVDs.
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Post by: Mario on June 07, 2003, 02:01:53 AM: Oh ok, i understand what you mean. I think everyone would have a DVD player by the year 2005 anyway.
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Post by: PIAC on June 07, 2003, 05:04:23 AM: i wont
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Post by: Nintega on June 07, 2003, 08:02:13 AM: I think the price of the next gen console will play a part in the success of it. There was so many price drop this gen that I think consumers know that a console shouldn't cost $300 or more. If Xbox didn't do the 2 game bundle, it wouldn't have sold like it has.

I hope that when the next Nintendo console launches, Nintendo should just release 1 or 2 1st party games and the rest all third party. But some of those third party games should be exclusive. I'd like Nintendo to get an exclusive game that they know we would buy but not that they think would sell. Think about it, if the console launched at $150, it leaves the consumer more money to spend on games. We would have less to worry about what 1 game to get at launch but what 3-4 games we should get. A console priced at $150 with some exclusive(good) third party games would be a killer launch.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on June 07, 2003, 08:19:49 PM: I hope Nintendo sets the price were its super competitve maybe accually staying in the red with each console sold for more than a couple of months.
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Post by: AdvancedGamer on June 08, 2003, 03:22:06 AM: Personally I'm not falling for Nintendo's sh&* at launch unless I'm really impressed. I lost so much money. It cost me $300 to get gamecube, super smash bros, a memory card 51, and an extra controller. But wasn't I surprised to find out that if I waited a year or half a year, all the good releases titles went down in price, all the new very good titles came out, there's a new memory card that holds alot more than memory card 51 but is the same proce that 51 was at launch, there would have been an awesome new wireless controller, the price would have gone down 50 and I would have gotten one of the hit titles free with it. I'm pissed and I learned my lessen though, I lost about hundreds of dollars buying gamecube at launch. So personally I'm not fallin for this again unless I'm really really impressed.
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Post by: AdvancedGamer on June 08, 2003, 03:28:32 AM: Some good suggestions for N at launch- Killer titles, Metroid and a realistic Zelda would really be good. (realistic so it would make Nintendo look cool) NOT a pokemon title, o ya that would really help nintendo's image. I would like a pokemon RPG however but think about it, they shouldn't release it at launch. Backwords compatibilitey with controllers and games. Nice, sexy, macho lookin console, NOT PURPLE. Awesome advertising campaingn (Does anybody remember "get N or get out" it made it look cool to have a 64) Also what if they released a bundle with the next mario together with it free like SNES. THat would be really nice.
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Post by: Atma on June 08, 2003, 11:37:45 PM: It'd be nice if it were had a worldwide release, and would be even better if it were region free (game wise), as that would allow for easier releases (eg. the NTSC version could be released in English PAL territories, possibly with some appropriate spelling fixes), and Australian Nintendo gamers wouldn't really be screwed over by NoAus.
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Post by: Tael on June 09, 2003, 01:11:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by: Atma
...the NTSC version could be released in English PAL territories, possibly with some appropriate spelling fixes...
Keep dreaming, they've never changed the spelling, so why would they start doing it in the future?
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Post by: aoi tsuki on June 09, 2003, 02:48:18 AM: i still think people will pay more for something they feel has more features. If price was such a crux for consumers, then the GC would be consistently beating the XB in system sales. And if a lower price at launch mattered that much, GC would've creamed Xbox in launch sales. i also think Nintendo's trying to increase the value of buying the system by adding a free game, or bundling the GB Player instead of simply dropping the price.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on June 10, 2003, 10:27:23 PM: The price drops went into effect because of the third player in the Market. And usally game price do fall rather quickly after being out a couple of months. Consoles usally take long but I think we will see a similar thing happen again but not as fast Microsoft forced things because they were trying to get a user base. The next gen they will have a returning user base making the need to try and undercut the competition.
But if it does expect the average game price to rise about $50.00.

One of the down sides to waiting for the price drops on all three consoles. (Since they will probally keep doing it unisin.) Is that you will have to wait over 6 months to get any new gaming in.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 11, 2003, 03:17:50 AM: it would be crap for Nintendo if EVERYONE waited for a price drop.
so just have the price so cheap to begin with!
I mean, EB is selling GCs for AUS$199, and XBox and PS2 for AUS$329.

I think its so weird how much people are willing to pay just to be cool.
I mean, GC was what, AUS$300 at launch, while XBox and PS2 were over AUS$700 at launch. That meant that the DVD playback cost like AUS$400 extra! PLUS, you had to pay and EXTRA $40 just for DVD playback on Xbox.
I don't get it with some people.
You could buy a GC and a decent DVD player for cheaper than that.

If that's the extra I have to pay for a DVD player next gen, PLUS some OTHER features they will put on it, screw them.