Post by: Tomer on June 02, 2003, 11:23:29 AM
I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but the controller for the gamecube really hurts my fingers.. It's actually just the two trigger buttons, ( L and R buttons ) that ussually act as turbos, or in shooter games as one of the triggers.. anyhow, i just picked up a copy of NBA Street Vol. 2 for the cube.. Great game, but my finger for the R button is just killing me.. Does anyone else have this problem and are there any other gamecube controllers i can try out.. I'm pretty happy with the rest of the layout of the controller, it's just the way the L and R buttons are possitiond ( i guess ) that really hurts my two trigger fingers..
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 02, 2003, 11:33:05 AM
Post by: Gamefreak on June 02, 2003, 11:33:15 AM
Maybe there is something wrong with your hand? Does it hurt when you do other things?
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on June 02, 2003, 11:33:56 AM
maybe try just holding the controller another way.. i stopped using my little fingers on the handles.. and now the controller is infinitely excellent
Post by: AERO on June 02, 2003, 12:13:35 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 02, 2003, 12:16:35 PM
Although I suppose I did bruise my thumb pretty good playing Bloody Roar: Primal Fury with a friend all night once. That was really because I hadn't used the D-Pad in about 5 years though.
Post by: The Omen on June 02, 2003, 12:24:53 PM
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 02, 2003, 12:44:36 PM
So basically blame developers who design their games so that you have to hold down the triggers constantly.
Post by: Scyth3r on June 02, 2003, 12:45:35 PM
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The only trouble I've had with gamecube controllers is the face buttons. Nintendo is keeps cutting in grooves into the face buttons for their letters and after a a few hours of gameplay your fingers can really get irratated. Don't know about the triggers though.
Here I thought I was the only one! Damn, I REALLY wish Nintendo got rid of those freakin groooves. They're painful.
And I only find irritated with the L/R buttons if I have to use it a lot, like in Metroid Prime. The fact that you have to use it a lot and then have to hold it made it even worse. But if its just occasional it doesn't bother me one bit. But those grooves again.... damn them. Even those grip grooves on the joystick... their just too deep I tell you.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 02, 2003, 01:43:15 PM
Give me the Super NES's L and R buttons any day.
Post by: Bloodworth on June 02, 2003, 01:57:00 PM
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 02, 2003, 03:15:41 PM
The face buttons are irritating?
I think the L and R case depends on what action the developer maps onto it.
I have a small problem with the Z button. I don't have any problems reaching it, but just that pressing it doesn't feel like it's been pressed. It needs to be more like the face buttons.
Post by: PIAC on June 02, 2003, 04:25:02 PM
also i think playing metroid once i kinda had pains in my trigger knuckles (probably from cracking them too much
) but i haven't noticed it sincei should probably stop, my doctor says i have wrists of an 80 year old
Post by: Ninja X on June 02, 2003, 04:46:41 PM
If you want pain, the NES controller is the way to go. I think my right thumb will never heal from that injury that damn controller caused.
Post by: Myxtika1 Azn on June 02, 2003, 04:53:02 PM
Post by: EggyToast on June 02, 2003, 04:55:15 PM
I solved it by consciously trying to stop pressing so hard. voila!
Post by: KDR_11k on June 02, 2003, 08:16:43 PM
Post by: NintendoKiD on June 02, 2003, 09:13:06 PM
Post by: PIAC on June 02, 2003, 09:41:50 PM
mario party 1 = the most damaging game ever, you should have seen the 3 giant blisters caused from that game on my friends hand, it also wrecked 64 controllers, slacker than a yokels jaw
Post by: 220man on June 02, 2003, 10:59:40 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 03, 2003, 04:42:51 AM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on June 03, 2003, 05:01:51 AM
Also, playing Golden Sun on the GBA for a long period of time gave my finger RSI.
Other than that, I haven't gotten any controller pains since the N64 controller (which gave me lots of pain).
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 03, 2003, 05:15:37 AM
But I could see how it might cause pains.
Post by: Ymeegod on June 03, 2003, 05:29:25 AM
The worst problem lies with the Mid-Evil Directional pad. Games like SSX Tricky would leave your thumb bloody & beaten. Think the directional pad is even smaller and narrower then even the NES pad.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on June 03, 2003, 05:40:24 AM
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Think the directional pad is even smaller and narrower then even the NES pad.
It is. I took out my NES last week (which I hadn't touch in like a decade!) and compared the d-pad of the NES to the GC controller. Actually, I took it out to play Super Mario Bros. again. *sniff* oh the memories!
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 03, 2003, 06:20:30 AM
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Post by: Chronic Kommander on June 03, 2003, 12:11:55 PM
Text origonally posted by grey ninja
It might be because I have been playing video games since the NES, which had one of the least ergonomic controllers of all time, but controllers NEVER hurt my hand anymore.
Me to. those first nes controllers were very painful.... the sharp edges would jam into your palms and about make you bleed. and the buttons. o man. Anyway i think that the Nyko airflow fan controller for the GC is good 'cause it has no indentations on the buttion and i never feel a thing with the fans on full blast.
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Post by: ShockingAlberto on June 03, 2003, 01:38:29 PM
Playing Metroid with the L + R triggers is really good, though, if you don't press down on them entirely. Just lightly tap them and it should target them easily. It gives everything a very high-tech feel to just tap, shoot, tap, shoot. Obviously, you have to hold R down hard to get the full effect, but you don't do it enough for it to matter.
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: Cube323 on June 03, 2003, 02:27:00 PM
2-d.
Also, that D-pad is the worst thumb grinder I have ever seen. My thumb litterallly aches after using the ps2 d-pad. Plus their "off center" control sticks also cause me great pain. Give me a WaveBird, Dreamcast Controller, or an X-box Controller-S any day over that ps2 peice of crap. Hopefully, if the rumors are true, the PS3 controller will be a complete redisign, probably a rip-off of the best attributes of other, better controllers from rival companies.
Still, no controller can be worse than the original X-box controller. That thing was like playing games with a giant meatball.
I could litterally use it to club small animals. Also, that controller caused myself, and almost every one of my Halo playing friends, serious pain that we all dubbed "X-box-itis." Even when I think about it, it still causes me pain. Ouch!!!
Post by: ShockingAlberto on June 03, 2003, 03:11:17 PM
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Post by: minor incident on June 03, 2003, 04:49:34 PM
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Dude, are we on the same planet? I hate the PS2 controller. It's D-pad is the WORST for fight games, especially
2-d.
Also, that D-pad is the worst thumb grinder I have ever seen. My thumb litterallly aches after using the ps2 d-pad.
Can't say I agree with you in the least. At least for fighting games with "Street Fighteresque" moves, the PS2 controller is perfect. It's easy to roll off quarter- and half-circles due to it being so low set in the controller face, and it's nicely rounded so no thumb-grinding will ensue. The positioning of the d-pad there is great too, unfortunately it causes the analog stick to become banished to the most awkard area of the entire controller. The Gamecube controller has the exact opposite problem--perfect analog stick, horrible, horrible, d-pad design and placement.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on June 03, 2003, 10:38:51 PM
Left trigger, doing a certain sidequest in Zelda: WW. Those who did it know what I'm talking about... and I didn't even get anything, other than an ego boost.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 04, 2003, 02:51:40 PM
I've never understood it when people praise the PS2 d-pad. I HATE that d-pad. The stupid split design is blister-city. Plus the d-pad centric design is ridiculous for a 3D gaming system. If the Gamecube had a bigger d-pad it wouldn't get dumped on so much and the PS2 controller wouldn't be so praised.
I also feel the PS2 gets a lot of praise because most multiplatform games are designed with that controller in mind thus giving the illusion that it's a better controller. The console leader's controller is always going to get praise because most game are designed for it.
Post by: minor incident on June 04, 2003, 09:54:37 PM
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I've never understood it when people praise the PS2 d-pad. I HATE that d-pad. The stupid split design is blister-city. Plus the d-pad centric design is ridiculous for a 3D gaming system. If the Gamecube had a bigger d-pad it wouldn't get dumped on so much and the PS2 controller wouldn't be so praised.
I also feel the PS2 gets a lot of praise because most multiplatform games are designed with that controller in mind thus giving the illusion that it's a better controller. The console leader's controller is always going to get praise because most game are designed for it.
While I agree with you that the analog position is idiocy on the PS2 controller, I still think it's a great design overall. I feel bad for anyone who can get blisters on that d-pad, it's so smooth, low-set, and rounded, it's like Sony went out of it's way to make it comfortable. Having logged over 70 hours each on Street Fighter EX+A (Playstation) and Soul Calibur (Dreamcast), I must admit to absolutely loving the Dreamcast controller as a whole (it is, afterall, the godfather of the whole GBA connectivity thing, but regardless...), but the PS2 d-pad blows it (and it's close cousin, the GC d-pad) out of the water. That said, I think the GC analog stick is a beautiful thing in Soul Calibur 2, working as fluidly as an arcade joystick, but with enough snap (not to mention those great 8-way directional indentations) to pull off typical directional-tab moves with ease.
On a side note, your point that multiplatform games are designed with only the PS2 controller in mind is really only true of crap game studios (see THQ). Some games, like the Harry Potter series, Timesplitters, and Soul Calibur 2 make excellent use of the GC controller. It's usually not even that companies design with the PS2 controller in mind, so much as they design with a traditional arcade setup in mind, at least for the majority of fighters out there.
Off topic somewhat: this has made me realize that every game should include some alternate button configs, if not a total remapping system... Not to mention a screen positioning option.
Post by: Usul on June 04, 2003, 11:49:22 PM
First off, let me say that I really don't like the ps2-pad because it doesn't have any analog triggers, so it's horrible for racing-games. The X-box-pad (not the new Controller-S-version) on the other hand was much too clumsy and the face-buttons were aligned in a very bad way.
The gamecube-pad is just perfect for action-adventures and jump-and-run-games like Mario, Zelda, and also good for ego-shooters like the James-Bond-games or Metroid Prime, but it's only hum-hum for racing-games, and really bad for trend-sports- and kung-fu-fighting-games.
Why? Because the face-buttons are proportioned and positioned in such a way, that you can differentiate the buttons just by feeling. The big-A-button in the center, the small B-button to the lower left... It's great for games where you don't have to press them all the time and where you don't have to press two or three of them simultaneously. But for games which ask you to perform tricks in a creative way, that buttons are a pain in the ass: SSX-Tricky, Mortal Kombat DA, Soul Calibur 2... are not fun on the gamecube but hard work.
What makes it worse is that there is not a single third-party-pad for the gamecube that offers normal face-buttons like on the Dreamcast-pad or the new Controller-S-pad from Microsoft. Those are/were really perfect pads for the games I just mentioned.
I wish there would be an adapter, so I could just plug the ControllerS-X-box-pad into the gamecube, or a Dreamcast-to-gamecube-adapter, but I don't think that will happen. So at the end of the year I will buy an X-box and will play all the fighting and trendsport-games on that box, and keep my gamecube for all the action-adventures.
Usul
