Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Grey Ninja on May 29, 2003, 01:51:52 PM
Title: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 29, 2003, 01:51:52 PM
Why the hell do these people even bother trying to report on this stuff? It's perfectly obvious that they don't have a freaking clue what they are talking about. Guys, Nintendo's biggest enemy isn't us. Nintendo's enemy is the anti-hype machine going against them 24/7. It's a foregone conclusion by most retailers and media people that the GameCube will fail, as all Nintendo consoles. This is of course total BS, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when retailers don't stock appropriate numbers of GameCube games, or don't get certain titles at all.
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Post by: Dethroned Emperor on May 29, 2003, 02:11:50 PM
haha, what a friggin' joke that article is. nothing like the misinformed trying to educate the casual gamers out there, kinda like the blind leading the blind. why don't they mention that xbox has ZERO quality original titles on it not named halo.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on May 29, 2003, 02:18:26 PM
I can't believe that chief Xbox dumbass. So what's the Xbox? An advanced system dseigned to accomplish very serious tasks? I doubt it. It's for pimply little preteens that like boobs and blood; a toy, in other words.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 02:22:30 PM
hey, I know Halo is the title of the game, but is that the name of the guy on the front cover?
And the make out that having MGS on Gamecube is a BAD thing! What...? I know you can't argue with sales figures and whatnot, but actively DISSING the console is just not on when it comes to journalism. Why doesn't anyone ever say "....this is a good move on NIntendo's part to ensuring they have the titles they need to break into the mainstream market" or something?
What, isn't F-Zero good enough for ya? Jee-zus!
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Post by: Dethroned Emperor on May 29, 2003, 02:26:04 PM
I don't want to make it sound like I'm a rabid xbox hater, but all my friends have xbox, and I'm the only one who dissents from their opinion on video games. so instead of getting them to play good games like wind waker and metroid prime, I'm subjected to such rubbish as doa: extreme volleyball, and the worst fighting game currently available on any next gen system, tao feng blecch!!! P.S.- not that it matters, but we're all in our mid-20's.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 29, 2003, 02:32:51 PM
I don't see too much wrong with that article. It's clear that the writer isn't a gamer but they aren't saying anything blatantly wrong or anything. The worst part was that Xbox guy quote but as a quote it doesn't really count as a negative against the article itself. I didn't think the article was great but it seems to me that a lot of you just don't like what the article says and thus are declaring it as total crap. Personally the only thing I really didn't like about it was that they implied that F-Zero is a Sega franchise which of course isn't true.
"I know Halo is the title of the game, but is that the name of the guy on the front cover?"
Master Chief. Though I jokingly call him Master Chef.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 02:40:09 PM
Yeah, I guess you can say it was well written, but the fact that they allowed that quote from M$ to pass as great info is beyond me. Although we'd all like to report and make threads about killing M$ and Sony, even that isn't allowed on these forums. I know you have to aggressive and crap, but geez! That's just not ethical. But then M$ has never been ethical. I'll bet if you go up to one of those guys, and ask them about Nintendo, they will just go "Oh, I respect Miyamoto-san alot. And the Gamecube is great console", which gets you thinking about all the other developers. DO they really like Nintendo and respect them, or are they just saying that cause it's on record?
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Post by: Grey Ninja on May 29, 2003, 02:42:03 PM
Ian, they aren't completely wrong, but they are a far cry from being right. They aren't reporting objectively. They are presenting the facts in a manner that speaks between the lines something that isn't true.
Here's what I pull out of what they are saying:
1) Nintendo isn't doing well. 2) Nintendo needs to make M rated games to succeed, and fans will appreciate that. 3) PS2 and Xbox are superior consoles because of Nintendo's negligence. 4) Games shouldn't be made for all ages.
All 4 of those points are hideously wrong. That's what I am objecting to. They don't come out and say it, but take a look at the article. All those are implied.
EDIT: Added #4.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 03:01:01 PM
yeah i see it.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 29, 2003, 03:42:06 PM
Quote plans to launch the PSP, a handheld capable of playing PS2 games, by late 2004.
Did I miss something or what? When was it announced that the PSP would play PS2 games, I thought it would use smaller disc's inside of cartridges?
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Post by: The Omen on May 29, 2003, 03:53:05 PM
Dont get too worried, Grey ninja, as it's more and more apparent that we are becoming the mainstream, and people like that are becoming the outcasts. Outcasts in the sense that that 'reporter ' obviously doesn't know jack about gaming, and just reads other articles from his misinformed brethren, instead of actually living the gaming life like we do. And the hype machine just rolls along...
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Post by: Ninja X on May 29, 2003, 05:30:53 PM
So...what's wrong with this article? The writer wrote the facts, not his or her opinion. Yes, he or she did say good things about Nintendo, such as how it secured MGS. And most of those opinions of what Nintendo has to do came from analysts, not the writer. Notice, however, Iwata seemed to have a good amount of say in this article. It was not just negative analysts spewing opinions.
The ending of the article came off on a positive note however. Read the ending again. Anything negative there? I did not find any. It basically implied Nintendo will fight for their position again.
The only ignorant statements were:
" Nintendo seems to think those 11-year-olds will buy multiplayer games."
"I don't think Nintendo is here for the digital-entertainment revolution," says Robert J. Bach, Microsoft's Xbox chief. "They are a toy company."
Robert J. Bach is clearly a (put any expletive here), but that statement did not hurt the article at all. Even an average gamer would not be effected by this statement as he or she will know Bach just said that statement seeing as how his company(Microsoft) and Nintendo are enemies. And it especially did not have an effect on the ending.
However, one issue must be addressed:
This article is not about the quality of games on the systems. This article is about BUSINESS. Period.
Oh, and Grey Ninja, Nintendo isn't doing well. They fell below their expectations.
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Post by: Arbok on May 29, 2003, 05:39:16 PM
"Oh, and Grey Ninja, Nintendo isn't doing well. They fell below their expectations."
And Sony is at a seven year low in terms of their stock value... whats the point? World economy ain't doing to hot, but still Nintendo is #1 in terms of video game profits out of the three, no doubt about that. Just beacuse they failed to meet their expectations doesn't mean they still aren't making the green.
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Post by: AERO on May 29, 2003, 05:51:51 PM
In the words of Jesus. You Hypocrites! Xbox and PS2 are some how the bad guys for doing good. Have someone in the room smack you for believing that nintendo can do no wronge and there choices are always right, and what other companies do is therefore wronge.
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Post by: The Omen on May 29, 2003, 06:32:05 PM
And AERO comes off like an ass, once again. The fact is, if we're going by business, then Nintendo IS doing the best BUSINESS. The statements in that article make it sound as though they're going the way of Sega, when in fact, they make the most money out of the three(in home console biz.) Could they be doing better? Absolutely. But they are in fact rather healthy, and are going to stay in the console business, no matter what some jack-ass says in an article. And where did anyone mention the PS2 and XBOX doing bad as opposed to good?
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Post by: BlkPaladin on May 30, 2003, 10:55:02 AM
Its all in the spin.
And this really isn't mainstreme press because most people don't go to a business site to learn about things.
You want a mainstreme source my local Fox station ran a commercial for a segement that made it sound like they are going to cover the new games at E3 that were at E3. All it ended up being was a segment on the Eyecandy add on for the PS2 and that was it.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 30, 2003, 11:11:39 AM
I completely agree with Grey Ninja- unless you're part of the industry, whether that be actually making games or playing them a lot, you shoudln't be reporting about videogames. It's so much different than any other industry you HAVE to be apart of it to really be accurate, but apparently that's not obvious to most publications who just want to increase their readership of teenage boys, since that demographic seems to be the most popular advertising wise. I've heard so many spellings of doom for Nintendo I've given up on reading any videogame publicatuion except for a select few internet sites and the occasional EGM. Well said, Grey Ninja. I also agree with what Omen said above me.
"Robert J. Bach is clearly a (put any expletive here), but that statement did not hurt the article at all."
It hurts the entire integrity of the article when you get Nintendo's competitor to comment on Nintendo- it shows that the author of the article had a goal in mind, which is to convince the reader that Nintendo is failing, so they used a quote from Microsoft to prove that point.
"Even an average gamer would not be effected by this statement as he or she will know Bach just said that statement seeing as how his company(Microsoft) and Nintendo are enemies. And it especially did not have an effect on the ending."
No, you're just good at figuring out when the author's being completely biased. While you are able to recognize that a comment on Nintendo's future from Microsoft holds no water whatsoever, the average reader would NOT. Microsoft is seen as an authority in electronics, so whatever they say must be true!
And why are you talking about ending, as if we were reading a story book? This is an article, which has an aim from the beginning of the article and tries to prove a point the whole way through- think of it rather as building project rather than a winding path through a story. Articles don't have plot twists and they don't have endings in the sense you're trying to convey.
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Post by: Ninja X on May 30, 2003, 11:26:22 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Hedorah64 "Oh, and Grey Ninja, Nintendo isn't doing well. They fell below their expectations."
And Sony is at a seven year low in terms of their stock value... whats the point? World economy ain't doing to hot, but still Nintendo is #1 in terms of video game profits out of the three, no doubt about that. Just beacuse they failed to meet their expectations doesn't mean they still aren't making the green.
First of all, Sony wasn't even mentioned in this. Second of all, yes, the world economy is sucking now. Lastly, allow me to elaborate on why Nintendo isn't doing well.
They fell below their expectations. Their stock value is dropping. They made less profit than predicted. Sure, they are the best video gaming company in terms of profit, but if they don't cover up this hole soon, their stock value will continue to drop and pretty soon, profit. Yes, as of now, they are "making the green." If they do not dig themselves out of this rut, they are eventually gonna get bit in the ass with drastic drops in profit.
That is why Nintendo ain't doing so well.
Expectations are important. It keeps your stockholders happy if you meet those expectations and raises the value of your stock. Not only that, but it makes the future of your company look promising.
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Post by: Grey Ninja on May 30, 2003, 12:30:31 PM
Mouseclicker, Omen, Hedorah64, thanks for seeing what I was trying to say.
Nintendo's profits did drop recently, but so did every other video game company out there. The one exception seems to be Namco, who did way better than they had anticipated. The point is that they are still making a PROFIT. Xbox was still losing money for Microsoft last time I checked. PS2 is also making a profit, but it's not as high as Nintendo's.
The thing is that Nintendo is still doing quite well, regardless of that stuff. They have a great console accepted by hardcore gamers, they have a great lineup for this coming year which has the internet buzzing with anticipation, and they have a pretty solid userbase at this point.
Microsoft STILL hasn't gained support from the hardcore gamers among us, they have a lineup consisting of one or two games every year, and the only area that they are doing particularly well is in North America, where GameCube isn't far behind.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 30, 2003, 02:20:04 PM
On the one hand, I agree with Grey Ninja on the subject of Nintendo losing money- the world economy is in a pickle and we're seeing a recoil from major international companies. On the other hand, though, I also see Ninja X's point- lately Nintendo's been loosing ground because of reasons other than a stagnant economy. They're slowing gaining it back, but there's no doubt it happened. However, saying Nintendo's failing, as this article so clearly does, is ludicrous- despite the fact Nintendo HAS been losing money, be it the economy or otherwise, they're still making a lot more than everybody else and I think they're going to put that to good use.
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Post by: NintendoKiD on May 30, 2003, 02:29:27 PM
Why do people care so much about other companies and people. Seriously, what kind of loser ass reporter says HEY LET ME DO A REPORT ON NINTENDO LOSING MONEY BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE CARE!! Mainstream sucks, just leave it at that (take that 50 cent fans!) I could careless how much money Nintendo makes or loses, if they are in #1 in sales or #101, they provide me with the games I love and therefore I am happy.
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Post by: Oldskool on May 30, 2003, 04:07:41 PM
Xbox execs talk total *******!!! Seriously, calling Nintendo a "toy" company is childish!
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Post by: Oldskool on May 30, 2003, 04:12:56 PM
Although the reporter is quick to point out that Nintendo is less...ahem..."mainstream" (Sorry, I hate that term.), and that Xbox and PS2 have this and that, he does not point out that Microsoft is making a much smaller profit off the Xbox, while the DVD-less Gamecube and the might of the GB family of systems are making a lot of money.
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Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 30, 2003, 06:07:10 PM
The report was fine. A normal gamer wouldn't divulge himself as much as we do.
Enjoy what Nintendo offers, and enjoy it until it ends. As long as they deliver the games, I'll be playing those games.
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Post by: Shecky on May 30, 2003, 08:18:33 PM
Quote Originally posted by: nitsujdark
Quote plans to launch the PSP, a handheld capable of playing PS2 games, by late 2004.
Did I miss something or what? When was it announced that the PSP would play PS2 games, I thought it would use smaller disc's inside of cartridges?
Yeah, the media for the PSP (the only thing shown) is neither CD or DVD from what I understand. As for the power of the unit itself, I thought the going belief was that it was between the PS1 and PS2 in terms of power.
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Post by: Samwise Gamgee on May 30, 2003, 09:46:31 PM
this guy doesnt even know what he is talkin about!
first of all!
"an action thriller featuring sword-wielding ninjas, antiterrorist commandos, and body parts flying in all directions. That's quite a departure for a company better known for characters such as the mild-mannered plumber Mario and Pokémon's lovable "pocket monsters." But without some blood and gore, Nintendo risks being picked off by archrivals Sony and Microsoft. "
then what the hell is resident evil? probibly the most blood and gore your going to see in any video game, and some of the creepyest environments yet! that with a bunch of other games that i dont feel like naming! its not like MGS is the first ever non E rated game for GC
"The new version of Metal Gear Solid, developed exclusively for Nintendo by Japanese gamemaker Konami Corp"
konami isnt making the game dumbass! nintendo second party SK is! you just lost all credibility with this statement! and that brings me to the next point!
"But don't expect Nintendo to add too much blood and guts. Iwata says the company will never depict Mario as a criminal, along the lines of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, a top-selling PS2 title that follows car-swiping crooks. "I'm not saying others shouldn't make such games, but Nintendo isn't going to," he says."
doesnt mean that their second parties cant and wont because they can and will! (conkers bad fur day by rare anyone?)
meh, this guy is a dumbass! all he sees games like f-zero and rogue leader, and probibly did no other research as to which other games are coming out! games like soul calibur 2 with link in it! that was a huge step in the right direction! along with getting third parties to help develop their games through the triforce partnership! he even fails to mention viewtiful joe, already one of my favs, its an instant classic and probibly one of the most original and addictive games in a long time (judging from the demo) exclusive for gamecube! no mention of it at all because it doesnt have blood or gore!
this reporter is what is wrong with the buisness! he feels that games are only good if you can blow off someones arm or if the main character looks like a skank! i'm sorry, but nintendo has a great lineup coming with in the next few months and i think they are realy going to go into the next gen in full force with some garunteed amazing exclusives from capcom, namco, sega and wich other companies nintendo is forming strong buisness deals with!
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Post by: Mario on May 31, 2003, 12:51:19 AM
Quote "But then, that's what I enjoy," says Iwata, 43, a former game developer who joined Nintendo in 2000. "We need to feel a sense of crisis to bring out the best in us."
Quote Microsoft thinks it can make plenty of money with Internet games, and so far, it has attracted 500,000 subscribers who pay $50 a year for its online-gaming service, Xbox Live.
Then why are Microsoft losing millions from xbox live huh?
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Post by: oohhboy on May 31, 2003, 02:58:35 AM
Look, if an artical can be picked to pieces by a bunch of guys on an internet forum, then it is bad.
It is not quite every day (Thanking relavent Deity) that some hack reports on something and it comes out wrong even after the editor goes through it. This artical is a symtom of how badly mainstream media and the media in general has degarded.
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Post by: egman on May 31, 2003, 04:59:48 AM
That comment from the X-box guru really bugged me. Why do Sony and Microsoft assume that their vision of multimedia is the only valid one? And where the hell where these guys when Nintendo was putting the industry back on track after Atari led the charge to it's near oblivion? I'll start believing MS and Sony's hype when they actually show REAL industry leadership as Nintendo did.
I totally agree with Grey Ninja that Nintendo, in spite of it's mistakes, is getting hurt more by the hype engine around convergence.
The thing I don't understand is, how can people be so blind? Sony and MS haven't proven that they are on the right track. Analysts continuely look at Nintendo's reciding profits while ignoring that MS has lost a lot more than they expected, and even Sony is shrinking profit wise. But that's not what we hear. It's always about what Nintendo is going to do next.
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Post by: Ninja X on May 31, 2003, 05:24:18 AM
Quote Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
"Robert J. Bach is clearly a (put any expletive here), but that statement did not hurt the article at all."
It hurts the entire integrity of the article when you get Nintendo's competitor to comment on Nintendo- it shows that the author of the article had a goal in mind, which is to convince the reader that Nintendo is failing, so they used a quote from Microsoft to prove that point.
Really...you implied that Nintendo is failing? Wow...The only thing truly implied from the article is Nintendo is in last place. But yes, it does go to hurt the integrity of the article. Days later, that's the only quote I remember.
Quote "Even an average gamer would not be effected by this statement as he or she will know Bach just said that statement seeing as how his company(Microsoft) and Nintendo are enemies. And it especially did not have an effect on the ending."
No, you're just good at figuring out when the author's being completely biased. While you are able to recognize that a comment on Nintendo's future from Microsoft holds no water whatsoever, the average reader would NOT. Microsoft is seen as an authority in electronics, so whatever they say must be true!
Yes, Microsoft is an authority in the computer world, but Sony is the authority when it comes to video games. It truly depends on the reader. But I bet if Sony were to say that statement, more average readers will be effected.
Quote And why are you talking about ending, as if we were reading a story book? This is an article, which has an aim from the beginning of the article and tries to prove a point the whole way through- think of it rather as building project rather than a winding path through a story. Articles don't have plot twists and they don't have endings in the sense you're trying to convey.
It's the last thing in an article, a story, or any sort of writing most people remember because it's the last part they read of that specific writing. And in an article, the ending usually ties up everything unless it is news-related. If the article ends on a positive note, the reader will probably remember this article to be positive.
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Post by: Grey Ninja on May 31, 2003, 07:50:09 AM
Quote Originally posted by: mouse_clicker On the one hand, I agree with Grey Ninja on the subject of Nintendo losing money- the world economy is in a pickle and we're seeing a recoil from major international companies. On the other hand, though, I also see Ninja X's point- lately Nintendo's been loosing ground because of reasons other than a stagnant economy. They're slowing gaining it back, but there's no doubt it happened. However, saying Nintendo's failing, as this article so clearly does, is ludicrous- despite the fact Nintendo HAS been losing money, be it the economy or otherwise, they're still making a lot more than everybody else and I think they're going to put that to good use.
Nintendo HASN'T been losing money. They are simply making less profit.
And I am really really tired right now, so I can't make a decent statement right now, but I just thought I would clear that up. But according to Nintendo, they have sold 1.3 million more GameCubes than Microsoft has sold Xboxes. I am inclined to believe them.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 31, 2003, 08:01:32 AM
Well, losing money is the wrong term, but losing profits is correct, but that can be just as devestating if they let it continue- profits have dropped due to lack of sales. Nintendo's still making a buttload of money, but they won't if profits keep dropping.
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Post by: NintendoFanGirl on May 31, 2003, 08:38:35 AM
I haven't read the article yet but the FIRST thing I noticed when I went to that page is this "Sponsored By Microsoft Business Solutions". Hmmm.
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Post by: KnowsNothing on May 31, 2003, 09:04:53 AM
i agree with NintendoKid and Nintendo Gamecube. A long as NIntendo keeps making the games, i'll keep buying them. it doesn't matter what place their in.
by the way, i'm thirteen and i still play (and love) mario.
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Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 02, 2003, 12:37:05 PM
What are you soppose to be ashamed for playing and loving mario. Is it too kiddy for the masses?.......F*CK the masses, they can miss playing a great game on a great system. Especially for those who turned down Zelda becuase of the art style........
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 02, 2003, 03:26:44 PM
"I haven't read the article yet but the FIRST thing I noticed when I went to that page is this "Sponsored By Mcrosoft Business Solutions". Hmmm."
Interesting.
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Post by: KnowsNothing on June 02, 2003, 03:32:32 PM
agreed, don'thate742, anyone who dissed zelda because of it's art style deserves to miss out on a great game. i don't really care if i'm plaing a "kiddie" game, becasue alot of games that seem kiddie are alot better than ones with useless amount of of blood and gore in them.
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Post by: WesDawg on June 02, 2003, 03:35:50 PM
I don't think people are that excited about convergence anymore. People like to have 16 different boxes around their TV. It looks neat.
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Post by: PIAC on June 02, 2003, 04:10:39 PM
i know i do, i want to have as many consoles plugged into my tv as possible! powerboard overload so far im only upto 3 (gamecube, snes, n64) next is a NES and dreamcast, then master system and megadrive, yay console fun! and ofcourse the next gen system by nintendo and maybe a PS2 at some stage to play some RPG's but thats not a great rush
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Post by: mouse_clicker on June 02, 2003, 09:35:57 PM
I've got my Gamecube, Dreamcast, and PS2 hooked up to my TV right now- I wanted to plug in my N64 and NES, but they wouldn't fit.
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 03, 2003, 02:16:55 AM
Quote Xbox execs talk total *******!!! Seriously, calling Nintendo a "toy" company is childish!
Last time I checked Nintendo WAS a toy company. Do they make anything other than video game stuff? Arent video games toys?
Quote But without some blood and gore, Nintendo risks being picked off by archrivals Sony and Microsoft. "
Hate it all you want, this statement is most like true. The mainstream public has the money, what they buy is what survives in the long run, it is simple economics.
Quote F*CK the masses, they can miss playing a great game on a great system. Especially for those who turned down Zelda becuase of the art style........
I played Zelda from begining to end, thought it was great at first, but grew so bored of it that I was actually happy when I was done so I wouldnt have to play it anymore. I much preffered GTA vice city. See, its called tastes and opinion, peoples vary, get use to it.
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Post by: OsonCubed320 on June 03, 2003, 08:16:49 AM
"I don't think Nintendo is here for the digital-entertainment revolution," says Robert J. Bach, Microsoft's Xbox chief. "They are a toy company."
It is this BS that corrupts the minds of casual gamers.
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 03, 2003, 08:40:23 AM
How the hell is that BS?
The cube is the only system without a DVD player, it is also the only system without a fibre optic link for Dolby digital.
All the cube does is play games, thus it is a toy and only a toy.
Seems pretty straight forward to me, why must you all bitch about this so much.
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Post by: nonjagged on June 03, 2003, 08:58:33 AM
Quote Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
How the hell is that BS?
The cube is the only system without a DVD player, it is also the only system without a fibre optic link for Dolby digital.
All the cube does is play games, thus it is a toy and only a toy.
Seems pretty straight forward to me, why must you all bitch about this so much. .
LOL that is ridiculous. M$ cant compete against $ony and never will in my opinion so M$ continues to attack the next closest thing ie. Nintendo
Another stupid analisis you probably would make is that PS2 is regarded as a super computer in some countries, thus it is a danger to security.
Most of us a bitching because M$ more than regularily need to destabilise Nintendo and you claiming that because a console does not have a fibre optic link built in must therefore mean it is a toy is pure stupidity.
Look up the definition of a console in a dictionary please before you troll your theories that a platform without fibre optic ports is only considered a toy (lol).
The Gamecube is a game console and the psx2 and Xbox are set-top-boxes.
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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Post by: nonjagged on June 03, 2003, 09:00:07 AM
I completely agree with Grey Ninja & mouse_clicker
Unless you're part of the industry, whether that be actually making games or playing them a lot, you shoudln't be reporting about videogames. Full stop, end of discussion because otherwise your just fuelling propaganda on what the "public bashing" trends are and public perception that is aggresively created from opposition platforms.
I didnt read the article in question (and I still plan not to) because if an article is reported by a mainstream source or from analists who see it from a sales figures point of view rather than a quality software over quantity software point of view, then it (article) wont interest me because there is an extremely high probability that such article will be incorrect/inaccurate/biased/ and or all.
Quote Originally posted by: Ninja X
Quote Originally posted by: Hedorah64 "Oh, and Grey Ninja, Nintendo isn't doing well. They fell below their expectations."
And Sony is at a seven year low in terms of their stock value... whats the point? World economy ain't doing to hot, but still Nintendo is #1 in terms of video game profits out of the three, no doubt about that. Just beacuse they failed to meet their expectations doesn't mean they still aren't making the green.
First of all, Sony wasn't even mentioned in this. Second of all, yes, the world economy is sucking now. Lastly, allow me to elaborate on why Nintendo isn't doing well.
They fell below their expectations. Their stock value is dropping. They made less profit than predicted. Sure, they are the best video gaming company in terms of profit, but if they don't cover up this hole soon, their stock value will continue to drop and pretty soon, profit. Yes, as of now, they are "making the green." If they do not dig themselves out of this rut, they are eventually gonna get bit in the ass with drastic drops in profit.
That is why Nintendo ain't doing so well.
Expectations are important. It keeps your stockholders happy if you meet those expectations and raises the value of your stock. Not only that, but it makes the future of your company look promising.
Yes in your articulated description of Nintendo's position you somehow neglected to mention a crucial significant report that would make your statements more complete.
Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions. Can anyone confirm whether that article remtotely mentioned $ony's current state of shares or M$ losses on Xbox venture?
Its all nice to make statements or report with biased agendas (like that article this thread is refering to) but then to have gamers analising it to be mostly credible just shows who the mainstream gamers are and who the real gamers are who did their homework rather than "just rely on whats been hyped the most online" as we all know that Nintendo gets hyped in a very negative way at least on a weekly basis and mainstreamers are regurgitating on it to be significant when its not.
Not one sane gamer would agree that a reporter using eg. a biased quote by M$ against its competition to have any credibility whatsoever to the reporter's piece of biased dribble is beyond a joke especially when M$ (the competition which is "apparently" fairing better by embracing pirated data formats and taking the format Online at huge losses) is losing billion$ on the Xbox venture. Has anyone even bothered to mention that Sega games have sold in a laughable amount on the Xbox platform and M$ has even had to prop up the sales by bundling these games with the console? When Sega announced its dropping sports support for Gamecube more doom was on the internet for weeks about it and when the real reason was revealed when EA announced it made a special deal with Nintendo, hardly even a mention on these Nintendo-bashing websites was made. Clearly any sane gamer would choose like nearly all of EA's sports games over Sega's sports games. And the same goes for most 3rd parties which elude developing for Nintendo console platforms because they have a bigger challenge on their hands to compete against a far superiro range of AAA titles that dont just come Nintendo 1st parties but even 2nd parties.
Xbox Live may succeed in probably 2 countries but you can bet your rupees that Nintendo will come around to satisfy real gamers by being the most gamer-friendly in their next-gen decisions. Should Nintendo approach PC developers to port their franchises to the next Nintendo platform? because thats what keeping the Xbox afloat and future Xbox platform that will be running DirectX.
Already $ony has announced its next set-top-box multi-media Server which M$ would like to crush with their own rendition only running a DirectX version. I can forecast already that $ony will push face-mapping as a gimmick to sell these multi-media servers. Knowing that you could transfer your images into certain Online ps2 games will be a big sell for the wealthy end of mainstreamers. Yeah and M$'s future set-top-box multi-media Server version will have special ports for sampling your DNA as an authentication its you thats Online in their services.
It appears both $ony & M$ are superior to Nintendo because mainstreamers have this perception that a console being able to be played Online is what this technology is all about. Nintendo on the other hand see that gameplay ideas should evolve because there is already an Online platform known to us all as the PC. So therefore Nintendo will always have these negative reputations because it (Nintendo) differentiates itself from the generic clones out there that just ride on trends or easily cracked data mediums and yet in M$'s case, lose billion$ in the process just to keep its reputation in tact as having shipped more units than its more common-sense rivals.
What the delusional mainstream reporter of that article in question should be reporting on or investigating is whether or not the Online Monthly Subscription Costs of Xbox Live will put the Xbox business venture in the black in somewhat 10 years time or whether or not gamers will drop the next Xbox platform in 2 years time altogether because Nintendo commence Online gaming for its next platform but the Online aspect is purely for gamers and its for free and Nintendo doesnt monitor it so your free to play games you purchased without the thought that marketers are sitting on the other end watching your preferences like other Online structures currently available.
Title: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 03, 2003, 10:00:17 AM
Quote Not one sane gamer would agree that a reporter using eg. a biased quote by M$ against its competition to have any credibility whatsoever to the reporter's piece of biased dribble is beyond a joke
A responsible reporter/journalist would have talked to Nintendo and had official quotes from Nintendo to disagree (couldn't think of better word) with the arc the article was going. The objective of the article was to try and humilate Nintendo without letting them have a say to defend themselves.
If the person who wrote the article had any integrity he would have gotten both sides (all three actually) of the story before allowing his piece to be allowed to be read by the public.
The author of the article is nothing more than a tabloid rag writter trying to wear the shoes of a journalist and not realizing that those shoes will always be too small and never big enough to grow into.
The article is trash talk and right on par with what Microsoft is known for. Attack with words instead of product. MS can't be like Nintendo so they are trying to degrade them and belittle them.
Title: RE: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: Zeth on June 03, 2003, 10:34:54 AM
... Sega dropped sports on Gamecube because they sold like crap.
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Post by: Cap on June 03, 2003, 10:45:33 AM
"Last time I checked Nintendo WAS a toy company. Do they make anything other than video game stuff? Arent video games toys?"
personaly i would definalty include video games as part of "the digital-entertainment revolution" (whatever that actually is). i guess its a matter of opinion.
"See, its called tastes and opinion, peoples vary, get use to it."
but i guess since nintendo chooses to focus on one part of it rather then dominating your living room they are a toy company to some. the statement you made basically says that video games are for kids though. dont ms and sony both make toys as well then?
Title: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2003, 11:13:04 AM
Toy is just a 3-letter word for "interactive entertainment."
My computer is a toy, my dvd player is a toy, my PR-24 nightstick is a toy, and so are videogames.
Title: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 03, 2003, 11:21:12 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Zeth ... Sega dropped sports on Gamecube because they sold like crap.
Resident Evil outsold Silent Hill 2. Skies of Arcadia was scrapped for PS2. Square-Enix refuses to develop for Xbox.
What's your point? Stuff like that happens.
Title: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: Oldskool on June 03, 2003, 12:32:03 PM
So if videogames=toys, does that mean Sony and Microsoft are considering videogames to be an extra feature on their "entertainment systems" (I remember Sony using that word to make the PS2 sound more advanced and sofisticated when it came out.)
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2003, 12:54:53 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Oldskool to make the PS2 sound more advanced
'nuff said. Image is everything for them.
Title: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: Ninja X on June 03, 2003, 04:29:08 PM
Quote Originally posted by: nonjagged
Yes in your articulated description of Nintendo's position you somehow neglected to mention a crucial significant report that would make your statements more complete.
Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions. Can anyone confirm whether that article remtotely mentioned $ony's current state of shares or M$ losses on Xbox venture?
Its all nice to make statements or report with biased agendas (like that article this thread is refering to) but then to have gamers analising it to be mostly credible just shows who the mainstream gamers are and who the real gamers are who did their homework rather than "just rely on whats been hyped the most online" as we all know that Nintendo gets hyped in a very negative way at least on a weekly basis and mainstreamers are regurgitating on it to be significant when its not.
Not one sane gamer would agree that a reporter using eg. a biased quote by M$ against its competition to have any credibility whatsoever to the reporter's piece of biased dribble is beyond a joke especially when M$ (the competition which is "apparently" fairing better by embracing pirated data formats and taking the format Online at huge losses) is losing billion$ on the Xbox venture. Has anyone even bothered to mention that Sega games have sold in a laughable amount on the Xbox platform and M$ has even had to prop up the sales by bundling these games with the console? When Sega announced its dropping sports support for Gamecube more doom was on the internet for weeks about it and when the real reason was revealed when EA announced it made a special deal with Nintendo, hardly even a mention on these Nintendo-bashing websites was made. Clearly any sane gamer would choose like nearly all of EA's sports games over Sega's sports games. And the same goes for most 3rd parties which elude developing for Nintendo console platforms because they have a bigger challenge on their hands to compete against a far superiro range of AAA titles that dont just come Nintendo 1st parties but even 2nd parties.
Xbox Live may succeed in probably 2 countries but you can bet your rupees that Nintendo will come around to satisfy real gamers by being the most gamer-friendly in their next-gen decisions. Should Nintendo approach PC developers to port their franchises to the next Nintendo platform? because thats what keeping the Xbox afloat and future Xbox platform that will be running DirectX.
Already $ony has announced its next set-top-box multi-media Server which M$ would like to crush with their own rendition only running a DirectX version. I can forecast already that $ony will push face-mapping as a gimmick to sell these multi-media servers. Knowing that you could transfer your images into certain Online ps2 games will be a big sell for the wealthy end of mainstreamers. Yeah and M$'s future set-top-box multi-media Server version will have special ports for sampling your DNA as an authentication its you thats Online in their services.
It appears both $ony & M$ are superior to Nintendo because mainstreamers have this perception that a console being able to be played Online is what this technology is all about. Nintendo on the other hand see that gameplay ideas should evolve because there is already an Online platform known to us all as the PC. So therefore Nintendo will always have these negative reputations because it (Nintendo) differentiates itself from the generic clones out there that just ride on trends or easily cracked data mediums and yet in M$'s case, lose billion$ in the process just to keep its reputation in tact as having shipped more units than its more common-sense rivals.
What the delusional mainstream reporter of that article in question should be reporting on or investigating is whether or not the Online Monthly Subscription Costs of Xbox Live will put the Xbox business venture in the black in somewhat 10 years time or whether or not gamers will drop the next Xbox platform in 2 years time altogether because Nintendo commence Online gaming for its next platform but the Online aspect is purely for gamers and its for free and Nintendo doesnt monitor it so your free to play games you purchased without the thought that marketers are sitting on the other end watching your preferences like other Online structures currently available.
Congratulations. I like your argument and I acknowledge what you are saying, but unfortunately, most of it is negated by the fact that the article is about Nintendo. I don't care about Microsoft's or Sony's actions or whether or not this reporter is biased because the article is about Nintendo.
Title: RE: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 03, 2003, 04:49:57 PM
The article starts off positively. The fact that Nintendo is considering new mascots to (replace?) go along side Mario and Poekmon is good. Then there's the quote where Iwata-san says Ninetendo wants to make Internet gamign free on consoles. All this 'pro-Nintendo' stuff is good, but it's shot down with the quote by M$, saying that nintendo is a toy company and not ready in the digital entertainment business. That's what everyone is really talking about here. That M$ are firing anti-Nintendo comments to try boost their image. Note that the guy says digital entertainment. Wherea it would just be games, now it includes all manner of other technical things like DVD capabilites and stuff. The article sorta redeems itself by reaffirming the good in that Nintendo does have a future in the business.
Title: RE: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: Jdub03 on June 03, 2003, 04:58:09 PM
Nintendo must be the "God of Video Games". It is constantly under watch by people like him (author of article), just waiting to report every mistake nintendo makes . The majority of these articles are all about Nintendo. Nintendo is made up of people just like you and me who arent perfect and make mistakes....Nintendo this Nintendo that...Shut the F@ck up and find something better to do.
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 04, 2003, 04:21:04 AM
Quote Another stupid analisis you probably would make is that PS2 is regarded as a super computer in some countries, thus it is a danger to security.
Nice try. Now lets try and stick with what was actually said without making any more foolish ASS/umptions.
Quote you claiming that because a console does not have a fibre optic link built in must therefore mean it is a toy is pure stupidity.
Uhhh, it is a toy. The PS2, is a toy, the X-box is a toy, the differance being the the PS2 and the X-box also serve other entertainment needs, making them a more rounded entertainment system. Video games are toys, its as simple as that, regardless of who plays them this doesnt change the fact.
Quote Look up the definition of a console in a dictionary please before you troll your theories that a platform without fibre optic ports is only considered a toy
Maybe you should look it up as well {a cabinet for television, radio, ect} this according to websters. Now read the last paragraph again to clear this up.
Quote The Gamecube is a game console and the psx2 and Xbox are set-top-boxes.
Wrong, they are all game consoles. Again the differance being that the other two serve dual functions. This doesnt make them any less a games console than the gamecube.
To many people here seem to think that they are the be all, end all, authority when it comes to gaming. Yet the same people have their own pre-determined biases towards Nintendo, and then have the nerve to complain about people being biased towards others. It really is laughable. Like what you like, it really doesnt matter to me at all, but remember, just because you like it, doesnt mean its the best thing going.
Also must you continue to use M$ as a symble for Microsoft, this alone shows your bias and really hurts the credibility of your argument.
Currently playing, Timesplitters (gamecube), waverace, Halo, and GTA vice city (again).
Title: Mainstream Media trys to Cover Video Games.
Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 04, 2003, 04:39:08 AM
Quote Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions.
No it isnt biased at all. The reason it isnt is because all Nintnedo does is video games, the reason their stock price is down is becuase of video game related events. Both Sony and Microsoft are very diverse companies and it is much harder to pinpoint the exact cause of a stock drop. Based on Sony's sales of both the PS and the PS2, I highly doubt any stock price on their end is video game related. As for Microsoft, they said said from the get go that they plan to lose Millions, even a billion or so dollars on the X-box venture. No one mentions it, because it was already expected. Microsofts goal in the gaming industry is very long term (although from an analyst point, I disagree with some of the logic), you wont be able to really judge results for a while yet.
What you fail to see it that the hardcore gamer (or at least the self proclaimed hardcore gamer) doesnt really matter in the big picture. The mainstream general public who plays games casually does, they are the ones who are spending all the money. You have to understand one thing from an economic view. Most hardcore gamers are young and in most cases dont have a lot of money. Sony and MS are targeting the casual player. Their consoles serve dual purposes for this very reason, so instead of a second DVD for the basement people may get a game console and so on. This is where the big market it, this is where the money lies. Are the games as good, many here will say no. I disagree, and think that many of the games are as good or better in some cases. What the games do, is give the casual gamers an outlet. The games are easy to play and have action right out of the gate (GTA3 is a great example), unlike a Zelda game where the first hour or so, is reading and training, many casual players dont want this. IMO Nintendo needs to become more mainstream to survive (at least on the console end of things) in the long run, simple because the mob rules and there just arent enough hardcore Nintendo fans left for them to ride on their past performance.
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Post by: nonjagged on June 04, 2003, 08:56:25 AM
Quote Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
Quote Its a little biased when analists report how Nintendo fell short of its sales expectations but when big name analists recently report that $ony's stocks are at a 9 year low (lol) and we already very well knew that M$ has lost billion$ on the Xbox venture, there seems to be silence, in fact very little reporting at all has been made ever about the last 2 positions.
No it isnt biased at all. The reason it isnt is because all Nintnedo does is video games, the reason their stock price is down is becuase of video game related events. Both Sony and Microsoft are very diverse companies and it is much harder to pinpoint the exact cause of a stock drop. Based on Sony's sales of both the PS and the PS2, I highly doubt any stock price on their end is video game related. As for Microsoft, they said said from the get go that they plan to lose Millions, even a billion or so dollars on the X-box venture. No one mentions it, because it was already expected. Microsofts goal in the gaming industry is very long term (although from an analyst point, I disagree with some of the logic), you wont be able to really judge results for a while yet.
You point being?
Sony's stock has been dropping so badly they announced the PSP recently and yet their stocks didnt change but continue in the dropping direction. The following week Sony annnounced their Server with a ps2 thrown in (lol) just in case no one wants a Server from a newbie in the market, the ps2 is thrown in as an incentive. Shares still continued to remain steady in the dropping direction. Sony then re-announces their Server project just in case anyone missed. Yup their shares still didnt dance.
Should like every gaming website now confirm this and keep it up for days just in case some of the regulars missed it? No instead every gaming website will keep negative news about Nintendo, even amidst when Nintendo make announcements like a New Development Studio or better Waivebird technology or Investment in better cart technology.