Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Kytim89 on January 07, 2013, 09:42:55 PM
Title: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Kytim89 on January 07, 2013, 09:42:55 PM
I was not sure where to put this opinion piece where it could be done with justice, so I opted for a new thread. I came across a video earlier today that revealed that Crysis 3 will not be making it to the Wii U. When you factor in the rather bare forecast that many quality third party titles of 2013 may not become Wii U games does not bode very well for the future of the Wii U. To add insult to injury, Metal Gear Revengeance will not make to the Wii U either according to its producers. It appears that Konami may avoid the Wii U all together.
The Wii U sales so far are good, but it needs to sell more to justify ports of good games. Here are two things that Nintendo needs to do:
Discontinue the basic (8 GB) model of the Wii U.
Lower the price of the 32 GB model to $299.99.
Start striking deals with more third parties.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: ThePerm on January 07, 2013, 10:59:45 PM
Crysis 3 news is not new. Metal Gear not on a Nintendo console....no surprise.
Is Ubisoft making a new Splinter Cell?
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: UncleBob on January 07, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
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Discontinue the basic (8 GB) model of the Wii U.
Why would third parties care about that?
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Lower the price of the 32 GB model to $299.99.
Meh. Maybe. I doubt there's many folks who are interested in the Wii U that would bite at this point *just* because of a price drop.
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Start striking deals with more third parties.
Not Nintendo's style. Regardless of who thinks this should happen, Nintendo would rather date the plain chick than pay for a hooker.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: alegoicoe on January 07, 2013, 11:18:37 PM
U read my mind dude, i been wondering what the hell is going on, only today i heard of two games not coming to wii u, crisis i dont give a damn about, but castlevania, bioshok and metal gear is uncalled for, i mean what the fu*k is nintendo doing in terms of getting third party support. I know third parties have a thing when it comes to nintendo platforms but its about time for nintendo to open up the piggy bank and stop worrying about the investors or is gonna be 3ds all over again.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Soren on January 07, 2013, 11:25:35 PM
3rd parties not supporting Nintendo. Oh my! What a surprise?
Also, two(three?) things: -Can we at least wait 5 months(3ds launch to cut) before we seriously start talking about price cuts? -The first cheaper model PS3 lasted 5 months before it was mercy killed, and back then the official explanation was that the 60gig version was being preferred 90/10 over the 20gig. Right now it looks like 75/25 in favor of the deluxe version. And yes, why would 3rd parties care about this?
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Kytim89 on January 07, 2013, 11:32:18 PM
Price cuts = More units sold = bigger install base to justify ports to Wii U = More third party support equals closing profit gap loss per Wii U unit sold.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: UncleBob on January 07, 2013, 11:37:57 PM
The question was why would third parties care if Nintendo killed the basic?
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: ymeegod on January 08, 2013, 01:00:24 AM
Sounds like it was more EA decision and not Cryteks which could mean just about all EA games as well like Dead Space 3 for example.
The only thing that sells SYSTEM is the exclusives, and NIntendo should focus on it's own games. Vita has plenty of multiplatform games yet it's still failing? Why, the exclusive games ended up flopping.
By limiting the software to only a few titles per month right now is the best move possible for nintnedo because it'll ensure those titles get the best possible sales. Nintendo's launch (23+ titles) was so much overkill that alot of titles didn't even break 50K (just about all EA ones sold less than that if you discount FIFA).
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 08, 2013, 01:16:41 AM
EA needs to get over itself.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Caterkiller on January 08, 2013, 01:35:25 AM
With the way things started, I have no doubt Nintendo is at least trying to get 3rd party games on Wii U, its just clear more than ever that there is an industry wide conspiracy against them.
I don't even know if I'm joking.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: alegoicoe on January 08, 2013, 02:04:47 AM
With the way things started, I have no doubt Nintendo is at least trying to get 3rd party games on Wii U, its just clear more than ever that there is an industry wide conspiracy against them.
I don't even know if I'm joking.
Am with you on that, the western developers have some sort of code among them to either not to make games for nintendo systems or worse make shitty ports which sell like crap and use it as a justification for the most blatant lie in the video game industry in this side of the world which is "third party games don't fair well on nintendo platforms"
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Adrock on January 08, 2013, 06:59:38 AM
Nintendo should discontinue the Basic set or at the very least drop the price because it's a shitty deal with the Deluxe Set only $50 more. If the Basic Set was $250, consumers could put that $50 savings towards a game or external hard drive, making the model a better choice for some people.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 08, 2013, 10:06:12 AM
To be completely honest were people really expecting Nintendo to get any type of third party support. Even with all of Nintendo claims and developer videos I'm not sure how people didn't see this coming.
Really wonder what Nintendo's game plan is. I'm expecting their usual evergreen/blue ocean title in Wii fit U too massively underpreform. I'm not so sure about about pikmin or wonder 102 either. As good as the game will be bayonetta 2 will probably do poorly as well.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 08, 2013, 10:13:07 AM
Silly me, I expected real support when developers talked about how much they liked the system. Stuff like Crysis and Dead Space not coming were clearly decided before we had any kind of sales numbers on the Wii U. EA's obviously still pissed about the whole Origin fiasco, though I don't know what's going on with Konami.
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Post by: Ceric on January 08, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
And this brings me back to why in the world was Snake ever included in Smash Bros.
On the Vita the cost of ownership is just too high for my taste at the moment.
When WiiU starts getting 3rd party releases that have price and feature parity with the rest of the versions then I'll bite. I'm not going to buy a game when I can get the whole series for half the price on steam.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: DigitalGreenTea on January 08, 2013, 11:50:39 AM
Third parties: It needs a bigger fanbase until we make (more) games for it.
Consumers: We won't buy it until more games are released.
>Logic.
In all honestly Wii U is doing really good with the sales right now, it's just behind the Wii. And that with being $100 more! It looks to me that Third parties are just finding excuses again to not bring their games on Wii U. Even though Nintendo fixed everything they cried for...
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Post by: broodwars on January 08, 2013, 12:12:26 PM
I'm kind of surprised that the Japanese companies aren't rallying behind the Wii U, but I'm not surprised by Western Devs' support for the thing so far. The Wii U launch was packed w/ Western Developed 3rd party games like ZombiU; Black Ops 2; Assassin's Creed 3; etc. and has anyone gotten the impression that they've sold well? The most damning thing I've heard is that anecdotal report I heard on a podcast (Giant Bomb, I think) of 400K+ online players each on Black Ops 2 PS3 & 360, 400 total on Wii U.
3rd parties are still burned on Nintendo from the Wii years, and for better or worse (justified or not) Nintendo seems to have burned their bridges with EA. Until the Wii U starts selling consoles, I can understand the Western Devs not wanting to waste their time and expensive manpower on Wii U ports they have good reason to think won't sell well. They also could flat out not have gotten final dev kits until shortly before the Wii U launch, so they're slow to get set-up for Wii U development.
Like it or not, the Wii U's underwhelming launch numbers and total lack of hype aren't helping Nintendo's case with 3rd parties right now. And unless Nintendo can get a game out there soon that really gets people excited to play Wii U, I don't see their situation improving.
Is it right that 3rd parties are giving Nintendo the cold shoulder despite the Wii U now being on-par with the other 6-7 year old consoles? Probably not, and there's certainly a business opportunity to be had from being the biggest fish in a tiny pond. However, this is likely Nintendo reaping what they had sewn with the Wii years.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: ShyGuy on January 08, 2013, 12:40:23 PM
3rd parties had Nintendo "burned" issues way before the Wii, Broodwars.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Ian Sane on January 08, 2013, 01:15:50 PM
My expectation of lousy third party support is the very reason I've been putting off a Wii U purchase.
There was concern that the Wii U would be underpowered. Nintendo made no effort to suggest that that was not the case. The whole marketing campaign was very similar to the Wii, thus there is the natural assumption, right or wrong, that this will just a continuation of the Wii.
Aside from meaning that this is likely last gen hardware yet again (so why learn the ropes of a system that will obsolete in a year), it also suggests the same userbase. The aftermath of the Wii is that Nintendo's userbase is now strictly kids, casuals and diehard Nintendo nuts. The sort of gamer that would buy the sort of third party titles we're talking about lost interest in the Wii. The assumption would be that regardless of how well the Wii U sells, it is not selling to the market the third parties want to sell games to. So why should they bother?
It does not help that there is ZERO incentive thus far (though some exclusives are on the way) for anyone to buy a Wii U for third party games. So I'm going to buy a Wii U to play the same games that were on the PS360 months before? Hell, even with a simultaneous release, the Wii U gets the same games as the "last gen" systems. If you own an Xbox 360, why would you ever buy a Wii U to get a third party game that is released on the system you already own? Only a Wii U exclusive would influence a purchase. The good exclusives are Nintendo games - that look like the same type of games that were released on the Wii. So why would anyone who isn't already a big Wii fan assume that the Wii U will be anything different?
Last gen Nintendo split the market. Nintendo did just fine without much third party support or without credibility with core gamers. But at the same time core gamers and third parties found out that they don't NEED Nintendo. Nintendo pretty much set up this new casual market for videogames and the rest of the industry chugged along with the old core market. We saw a lot of devs go broke but the ones still around are the ones that survived and they figure they'll continue to do so with the status quo.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Kytim89 on January 08, 2013, 02:30:54 PM
If DMC, Metal Gear Rising, Tomb Raider, and Dead Space 3 were announced for the Wii U right now then I would buy a Wii U ASAP, but until some good games come out for it in the next sixth months then I am going to take my time.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: SixthAngel on January 08, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
Looking at what Nintendo can do now to win over third parties is the wrong way to go about it. Decisions to develop for the Wii U were made ages ago. No developer was"holding off" until they saw how it sold, game development takes too long. Many publishers didn't learn a damn thing from the Wii, which is that you can't wait or you will miss the boat. While some ports won't be worth it most of them should be put on the Wii U just to build up a user base for their games even if they think the port will barely make any money. With costs set to rise again having even a small user base on the sequel to last gens biggest seller is common (business) sense.
I expect good support from Ubisoft because of ZombiU and the fact that they have ported most of their other stuff. Other than that I expect a bunch of Japanese third parties,all the EA Sports games and Call of Duty stuff from Activision because they will stuff them on anything. Some of the other titles will slip through occasionally for one reason or another.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: shingi_70 on January 08, 2013, 05:31:51 PM
Its yet to be seen if the Wii U is going to be a boat that they shouldn't miss. This spring will tell with pikmin' Wii fit u, monster hinter, and aliens.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: regin on January 08, 2013, 05:37:54 PM
It's the same scenario as the Wii. The console will be a generation behind in raw power, and that means you'd have to go out of your way to make a special, downgraded Wii U version of your game. I guess people wanted PS3/360 ports as well, but most developers are done with those consoles and many are about to ship their final game before they shift completely over to the next Xbox and Playstation. Who's gonna take the time to learn a brand new system just to get a single port out there before it's time to throw it in the garbage?
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Ian Sane on January 08, 2013, 06:14:49 PM
Many publishers didn't learn a damn thing from the Wii, which is that you can't wait or you will miss the boat.
Except that missing the boat last time didn't matter as any third party that didn't go broke was just fine supporting the other systems, regardless of how many consoles Nintendo sold. Missing one boat means squat when there are three other boats in the port going to the same destination.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on January 08, 2013, 06:21:35 PM
Except that missing the boat last time didn't matter as any third party that didn't go broke was just fine supporting the other systems, regardless of how many consoles Nintendo sold. Missing one boat means squat when there are three other boats in the port going to the same destination.
Only a lot of those third parties that didn't shut down, still lost a lot of money because of their lack of Nintendo support. If the 720/PS4 are huge power increases over the 360/PS3, they're just going to make dev cost rise even higher then they currently are and the current dev cost are already way to high for many third parties. If current 360/PS3 cost are enough to make these studio's still lose money, then what will 720/PS4 cost do to them?
In other words, they might have still been able to survive last gen by not supporting Nintendo, but if dev cost rise even higher, they might not end up so lucky this gen.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Sarail on January 08, 2013, 06:44:57 PM
I think it'd be hilarious if dev costs rise so much, that it causes third-parties to all shut down. And the only studios left are Nintendo and those that support them. Microsoft and Sony wouldn't have anyone to make games for their consoles! Hah.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: broodwars on January 08, 2013, 07:04:55 PM
I think it'd be hilarious if dev costs rise so much, that it causes third-parties to all shut down. And the only studios left are Nintendo and those that support them. Microsoft and Sony wouldn't have anyone to make games for their consoles! Hah.
Well, Sony would be alright because they've spent a great deal of time over the last 2 generations strengthening their own studios. It would be Microsoft that would be hardest hit in your hypothetical scenario.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Ian Sane on January 08, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
Except that missing the boat last time didn't matter as any third party that didn't go broke was just fine supporting the other systems, regardless of how many consoles Nintendo sold. Missing one boat means squat when there are three other boats in the port going to the same destination.
Only a lot of those third parties that didn't shut down, still lost a lot of money because of their lack of Nintendo support. If the 720/PS4 are huge power increases over the 360/PS3, they're just going to make dev cost rise even higher then they currently are and the current dev cost are already way to high for many third parties. If current 360/PS3 cost are enough to make these studio's still lose money, then what will 720/PS4 cost do to them?
In other words, they might have still been able to survive last gen by not supporting Nintendo, but if dev cost rise even higher, they might not end up so lucky this gen.
No, they might not be so lucky. But they really can't make a good call on that until the PS4 and Xbox 720 are revealed (and they probably have been revealed to some of them). Really that's what everyone's waiting on. That more than anything will affect my purchase of a Wii U as it will determine how close the hardware is between the different systems.
If you're a third party are you going to spend time getting to know your way around the Wii U when you don't know what the other guys are going to do, don't know what the dev costs for those systems will be, and don't know how the Wii U will compare? The safe bet right now is to stick with what you know until all the cards are on the table.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 08, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
I think it'd be hilarious if dev costs rise so much, that it causes third-parties to all shut down. And the only studios left are Nintendo and those that support them. Microsoft and Sony wouldn't have anyone to make games for their consoles! Hah.
Well, Sony would be alright because they've spent a great deal of time over the last 2 generations strengthening their own studios. It would be Microsoft that would be hardest hit in your hypothetical scenario.
I don't think there's evidence that Sony alone can support any platform, or even be the cornerstone of any platform.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Kytim89 on January 08, 2013, 09:53:11 PM
If Nintendo wants to really get the ball rolling for third party support on the Wii U then all of the third party games releasing for Q1 2013 must find their way onto the system some how. The more time that passes the less likely the support will be adequate enough to challenge Sony and Microsoft's next home consoles.
Could third parties make a good profit if they just released their games onto the Wii U's eShop, and not physcial media? The people that would most likely buy these games on the Wii U would now to find them on the eShop and pay and download them digitally. This way third parties make more profit without the hassle of physical media and then make the bulk of their money without financial risk.
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Post by: Sarail on January 08, 2013, 09:58:38 PM
If Nintendo wants to really get the ball rolling for third party support on the Wii U then all of the third party games releasing for Q1 2013 must find their way onto the system some how.
DmC, Tomb Raider, MGS:Revengeance, Crysis 3 - I'd buy ALL of these if offered on the Wii U. THIRD PARTIES, HEY LOOK AT ME. I HAVE MONEY.
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This way third parties make more profit without the hassle of physical media and then make the bulk of their money without financial risk.
I buy all of my games on physical media - only eShop exclusives will I buy digitally (because it's the only way it's offered). And I'll keep buying my games on physical media until the industry says I'm not allowed to anymore. BAH.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Kytim89 on January 08, 2013, 10:16:23 PM
One way Nintendo could get third party support would be to pay for the process of copying and pasting whatever third party game onto the Wii U with no financial risk for do so for the respective owners of said games.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Adrock on January 09, 2013, 12:13:52 AM
I tried the demo of Revengeance. Maybe I need to give the final release a go, but based on the demo, I wouldn't even get it on PS3.
The only 3rd party titles I'm currently interested in are Tomb Raider and Catsylvania: Lords of Shadow 2. I think both have a reasonably good chance of coming to Wii U. If the former is ported, I would definitely get the Wii U version. The latter is tricker. A Wii U version could connect to Mirror of Fate on 3DS which I am definitely buying, but the PS3 version could detect my save file of the original and give me some in game bonus (Curse of Darkness on PS2 did something similar with the Lament of Innocence save file).
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Post by: UncleBob on January 09, 2013, 12:18:01 AM
Kytim... I'm still stuck on why third parties care about Nintendo selling the basic unit...
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Adrock on January 09, 2013, 12:32:33 AM
UncleBob... I'm still stuck on why you're trying to make sense of a kytim post...
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: UncleBob on January 09, 2013, 12:35:23 AM
I'm trying to be open and fair to listening to what people post.
That's what I'm supposed to do, right?
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Kytim89 on January 09, 2013, 12:36:28 AM
Kytim... I'm still stuck on why third parties care about Nintendo selling the basic unit...
Nintendo could probably sell more units and have a bigger install base.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 09, 2013, 12:39:41 AM
But getting rid of the Basic Model would notmake any impact, it would probably hurt it because it gives consumers less choice. Taking it away will not entice someone to buy a Wii U, and so it wouldn't help third parties.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: UncleBob on January 09, 2013, 12:47:07 AM
Kytim... I'm still stuck on why third parties care about Nintendo selling the basic unit...
Nintendo could probably sell more units and have a bigger install base.
How would Nintendo sell more units by discontinuing the lower-priced model?
Lower the price of the Deluxe Wii U to $299.99.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: UncleBob on January 09, 2013, 12:53:26 AM
If they can afford to lower the Deluxe to $299, they could probably afford to lower the basic to $249...
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Post by: Soren on January 09, 2013, 01:10:55 AM
I would like to once again point out (fearing redundancy) that, with the Wii U not even 2 months old, we are already killing an SKU, handing out price cuts like it's nobody's business and begging Nintendo to take on the financial responsibility of releasing third party content on their console.
I can be angry at Nintendo and the current situation with 3rd parties. But I knew what was going to happen before I spent my money.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 09, 2013, 01:20:35 AM
Soren handles it like a man! Be advised boys, be advised.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Adrock on January 09, 2013, 07:45:12 AM
The Deluxe Set is an incredible value at $350 since getting Nintendo Land and the GamePad charge stand separately is already $80 and that's before considering the Deluxe Set also comes with 4 times the storage and the Deluxe Digital Promotion.
That's ultimately the problem with the Basic Set. Like the 3DS, it was overpriced to start. If the Basic Set was the only SKU available at launch, I wouldn't have bought one. It looks especially bad right next to the Deluxe Set which even if you have to read comparison literature or ask a sales clerk, you would immediately see why it's so bad (at $300). Best Buy has gone as far as giving away Nintendo Land just to make it more enticing, even though the Basic Set is aimed primarily at people who don't want Nintendo Land. The Basic Set is just not a good deal. That's why Nintendo is admittedly having such a difficult time selling it. I agree that a price drop looks bad so close to launch. However, they have to do something to help boost sales of the Basic Set.
Discontinuing the Basic Set would allow those parts to be manufactured in Deluxe Sets. I believe Iwata recently said that some people who wanted a Deluxe Set couldn't get one. Well, if there were more available, they may have. Still, I like the idea of 2 models so long as consumers are given a real reason to consider the Basic Set. As it stands, it's the sucker's model.
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Post by: ymeegod on January 09, 2013, 08:49:37 AM
"why it's so bad (at $300"?
White's an Better value IMO:
In the black you get an: $5 dollar stand $ Ninendoland (currently selling for around $20 on ebay) Another 27ish GB flash storage? An 10% discount card for one year off digital purchases for EShop which doesn't include the 3ds shop or wii shop :(.
No, for gamers like me it was far better just getting an white and using the extra $50 for external storage or an a game that actually wanted to play. :)
I aways thought Nintendo should have gone with Nintendoland as a free downloadable title and have monthly DLC (more themes) that way you'll get WII U consumers Online and checking out the digital store.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Adrock on January 09, 2013, 09:14:47 AM
Nintendo is selling the charge stand separately for $20, not $5. I haven't used it to charge the GamePad (I've only used the 3DS charge dock once just to see), but it was helpful when playing New Super Mario Bros. U single player and cheaply using Boost Mode. The Deluxe Digital Program lasts 2 years, if I remember correctly. I've already spent $30 on eshop titles. I'm in the US so I don't know if it's different in other regions.
My point is that you get a lot for $50. If you prefer the Basic Model, that is, of course, your prerogative. I, however, disagree that it's a better value. I would be more inclined to agree had the Basic Set launched at $275-$280 though $250 would have been a sweet spot. I might have considered the Basic Set at $250 because I didn't really want Nintendo Land; I wanted the extra storage (which alone was worth $50 to me). I would have thoroughly enjoyed saving $100 though.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Soren on January 09, 2013, 09:25:22 AM
Soren handles it like a man! Be advised boys, be advised.
I'm a man! I'm (not) 40!
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: ymeegod on January 09, 2013, 09:51:33 AM
"Nintendo is selling the charge stand separately for $20, not $5"
Just because the manufacturing assigns MSRP doesn't mean it's actually worth that much. Take Sony Vita memory cards for instance. Not worth 1/2 for what Sony chargers for them.
Hense it's an $5 piece of plastic. You can find alt Gamepad stands/crandle on ebay for $5 shipped.
Your right about Digital Deal for 2 years though (good through 2014). Also I guess I was wrong about 3ds eshop? According to nintendo's official site sales on that one should count for your digital discount as well. Still they need to patch in WII's Shop and VC?
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Post by: EasyCure on January 09, 2013, 10:26:56 AM
I'm trying to be open and fair to listening to what people post.
That's what I'm supposed to do, right?
No, you're supposed to be an ass and give out funny titles.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Adrock on January 09, 2013, 10:52:40 AM
I didn't say it was worth its MSRP; I said that's how much Nintendo is selling it for. Just because people can get something cheaper on ebay doesn't mean they will. That's beside the point anyway. Ultimately, that still doesn't change the fact that collectively, there is a lot of value in the Deluxe Set versus what Nintendo is charging people for them separately.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: ThePerm on January 09, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
All this bullshit third party talk is exactly why I have little respect for most 3rd parties.
Which one do I respect? Ubisoft.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: UncleBob on January 09, 2013, 11:50:27 PM
I agree that, for the vast majority of folks, the Basic set seems like a bad deal. I mean, I can't imagine that the majority of people who would buy a Wii U at this point don't even want to *try* Nintendo Land. I could see not caring about the extra storage (if you're that into digital downloads, you're probably going to want to connect a hard drive anyway) or the stand (I like mine, buy I probably would have waited to find it cheaper down the road... not a day 1 purchase). The Digital promo is nice, but Nintendo would actually have to add some games to the eShop first. ;)
As for having more parts available for building Deluxe bundles... I don't think there's a shortage of Wii U Deluxe bundles pretty much anywhere. That *could* change down the road, but for now, they need to move units (I say "need" not in a "Man, this crap isn't selling" way, but just in a "Sell as much as you can before the 720/PS4 launch" way) - so having the option doesn't hurt.
And I still don't see why third parties care about it.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Adrock on January 10, 2013, 08:35:28 AM
I was going by what Iwata said which admittedly may have had a pinch of PR in it. I have seen Deluxe Sets in Target and Walmart over the past week or so, but there were far more Basic Sets. When I was in line on launch day a few people "settled" for them because Best Buy didn't have any more tickets for Deluxe Sets. They probably wanted to make sure they got one in case it became hard to find.
To clarify, I wasn't saying 3rd parties would care about it, just that there would be a reason to not have the Basic Set (again, going by what Iwata said about people not being able to get the Deluxe Set they wanted). I like that the Basic Set exists; I just wish it was a more attractive option for most consumers.
Anyway, I think it's silly for 3rd parties to continue to ignore Nintendo. 3rd parties that are weary that Nintendo fans only buy Nintendo games should consider that many of those kids during the N64/GCN days are now like 10-15 years older. I asked for Nintendo games when I was a kid because they were practically a sure bet to be awesome and my mom only bought me so many games. Now that I'm older and self-sufficient, I buy "whatever I think is good" which includes 3rd party games. I have steadily expanded my pallet for games from companies other than Nintendo and have bought more over the past decade. Still, not everyone is like me. I have the means to buy another console per generation (though I'm planning to stick with just Wii U for quite some time due to my changing gaming habits). Others can only buy 1 console. It is what it is. There's a rather large audience out there that only has a budget for a Nintendo console because they would rather spend $300-$400 (that would have to be spent on a 2nd console) on a bunch of games. 3rd parties are excluding them, not the other way around.
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Post by: Adrock on January 11, 2013, 12:11:47 PM
David Cox, producer of the Catsylvania: Lords of Shadow series, said, "Sorry to disappoint you but no chance" when asked on Twitter if there would be a Wii U version of Lords of Shadow 2. I guess I'm getting this on PS3.
Pretty shitty of Konami to say, "Hey, here's an installment for you Nintendo fans on 3DS, but **** you and your mother regarding Wii U ports of the other games." Considering the ending of Mirror of Fate apparently leads right up to the beginning of Lords of Shadow 2, this is an odd choice. Cox didn't give a reason. As a Wii U owner, I'm disappointed. As a fan of the series who has both a PS3 and 3DS, it's still kind of a shiesty move. Sony fans who have no interest in Nintendo platforms are given the shaft and so are Nintendo fans who have no interest in Sony platforms. It's like Konami is trolling everyone...
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 11, 2013, 02:41:28 PM
Dear Konami, I intend to buy Lords Of Shadow 2. Instead of buying it for full price new, as I would have if it were being released on the WiiU, I will be sure to buy it used at an enormous discount from the MSRP. In short, chinga tu madre. Sincerely, Fatty The Hutt
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 11, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
I'm sadly not expecting this to get better at E3. ;(
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 11, 2013, 06:07:09 PM
David Cox, producer of the Catsylvania: Lords of Shadow series, said, "Sorry to disappoint you but no chance" when asked on Twitter if there would be a Wii U version of Lords of Shadow 2. I guess I'm getting this on PS3.
Pretty shitty of Konami to say, "Hey, here's an installment for you Nintendo fans on 3DS, but **** you and your mother regarding Wii U ports of the other games." Considering the ending of Mirror of Fate apparently leads right up to the beginning of Lords of Shadow 2, this is an odd choice. Cox didn't give a reason. As a Wii U owner, I'm disappointed. As a fan of the series who has both a PS3 and 3DS, it's still kind of a shiesty move. Sony fans who have no interest in Nintendo platforms are given the shaft and so are Nintendo fans who have no interest in Sony platforms. It's like Konami is trolling everyone...
The way that I see it is that if I am a paying customer and fan of a certain series then I should not be hampered if I want to play that game on whatever console I may choose. If I want to play everything on the Wii U then I should have the right to do it how I please. Nintendo really needs to get on the ball with this stuff and have some kind of Nintendo Direct to feature more third party support.
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Post by: EasyCure on January 11, 2013, 06:54:48 PM
@fatty: I'm going to give you an applaud a day for as long as I can remember just because of ”chinga tu madre”
also are we allowed to post links to mr cox's twitter? I've love to mouth off via tweets. i barely use the thing, this night change that around.. lets just all tweet then that we're passing up the game or something, no death threats please.. we're better than that (I hope)
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Post by: broodwars on January 11, 2013, 07:17:16 PM
You guys are aware that Mercury Steam probably has no control over what games they will and won't support, right? This is probably a directive from Konami in general, so take your complaints up with them. David Cox is just a guy trying to get two games out the door.
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Post by: UncleBob on January 11, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
The way that I see it is that if I am a paying customer and fan of a certain series then I should not be hampered if I want to play that game on whatever console I may choose.
By this logic, then every single game ever should be released on every system ever. PS3 fans should complain that the 3DS game isn't getting a PS3 release.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 11, 2013, 11:51:40 PM
Well, Capcom is doing a BETRAYALTON with Resident Evil 3DS on 360, so I say gimme the ports!
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 12, 2013, 11:25:13 AM
You guys are aware that Mercury Steam probably has no control over what games they will and won't support, right? This is probably a directive from Konami in general, so take your complaints up with them. David Cox is just a guy trying to get two games out the door.
I'm just looking to harass someone on twitter, can I still bother David Cox?
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 12, 2013, 01:12:42 PM
Rumor RE:Revelations is coming to Wii U as well.
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Post by: alegoicoe on January 12, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Forget revelations, give me Res 6, ohh well i guess its not happening, even though the all the main entries in the series up to five where on nintendo platforms.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 13, 2013, 11:56:43 AM
But RE6 is a bad game. Though if any game were to be ported to the Wii U it would be resident evil 6. If I recall the game vastly under preformed due to bad reviews and word of mouth. A Wii U version would make sense to get more sales as Wii u owners will eat any sort of support up to get more games on the platform.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 13, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
But RE6 is a bad game. Though if any game were to be ported to the Wii U it would be resident evil 6. If I recall the game vastly under preformed due to bad reviews and word of mouth. A Wii U version would make sense to get more sales as Wii u owners will eat any sort of support up to get more games on the platform.
This is a similar situation to what happened with Ninja Gaiden 3. Tecmo put out an inferior version on the other consoles and then released a better version on the Wii U. Nintendo published Razor's Edge, and they probably paid Tecmo to go back and improve the game for their console. Now, what is to say they can't do this with Capcom? Unless Capcom flips them the bird and says, "We are not spending time and money to improve a game that was not popular on your console Nintendo." If Nintendo wants it on their console then they might have to pay for it and have an exclusive version just for the Wii U. Either way, I would buy it if it were improved.
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Post by: alegoicoe on January 13, 2013, 03:15:15 PM
i know there were bad reviews, specially criticism over the overuse of quick time events, but others seem to like the game also, as long as they bring the game with all dlc included, i would jump ship and buy it.
By the way just saw this on gonintendo.com http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=194183
lets cross fingers and hope its a good game!!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2013, 03:23:22 PM
They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.
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Post by: pokepal148 on January 13, 2013, 03:39:38 PM
It's the same scenario as the Wii. The console will be a generation behind in raw power, and that means you'd have to go out of your way to make a special, downgraded Wii U version of your game. I guess people wanted PS3/360 ports as well, but most developers are done with those consoles and many are about to ship their final game before they shift completely over to the next Xbox and Playstation. Who's gonna take the time to learn a brand new system just to get a single port out there before it's time to throw it in the garbage?
Except that missing the boat last time didn't matter as any third party that didn't go broke was just fine supporting the other systems, regardless of how many consoles Nintendo sold. Missing one boat means squat when there are three other boats in the port going to the same destination.
Only a lot of those third parties that didn't shut down, still lost a lot of money because of their lack of Nintendo support. If the 720/PS4 are huge power increases over the 360/PS3, they're just going to make dev cost rise even higher then they currently are and the current dev cost are already way to high for many third parties. If current 360/PS3 cost are enough to make these studio's still lose money, then what will 720/PS4 cost do to them?
In other words, they might have still been able to survive last gen by not supporting Nintendo, but if dev cost rise even higher, they might not end up so lucky this gen.
nobody wins with a huge power increase on the ps4/720, microsoft will need to put more effort into slapping windows 8 on the xbox, sony is barely breathing right now financially and we as wind up paying the bill for these new systems with quad core processors with 4 cores in each core or some voodoo like that. microsoft is going to continue on that pseudo set-box route on the 720 and sony might not even make it to the ps4,
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Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2013, 03:45:50 PM
They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.
Yeah, I think that patch was released back in mid-December, but I didn't have the game still installed so I didn't notice. I've been meaning to get back to that game, as I didn't hate what I played and the patch allegedly fixes my biggest issue with the game (the terrible camera). Unfortunately, I've just had too many other games I've had to get out of the way first.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 13, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Don't forget adding pointer controls as well.
Also anyone find it odd that capcom says that they are only going to put new titles on the wui u but remember me isn't coming.
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Post by: alegoicoe on January 13, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.
Yeah, I think that patch was released back in mid-December, but I didn't have the game still installed so I didn't notice. I've been meaning to get back to that game, as I didn't hate what I played and the patch allegedly fixes my biggest issue with the game (the terrible camera). Unfortunately, I've just had too many other games I've had to get out of the way first.
I think one of the fixes of the latest patch is in regards to the camera positioning.
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Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2013, 05:41:28 PM
They're apparently patching the 360/PS3 version to fix most of the glaring problems, so if we get that version, plus maybe a bit more tweaking, and all the DLC, that'd be a pretty good deal.
Yeah, I think that patch was released back in mid-December, but I didn't have the game still installed so I didn't notice. I've been meaning to get back to that game, as I didn't hate what I played and the patch allegedly fixes my biggest issue with the game (the terrible camera). Unfortunately, I've just had too many other games I've had to get out of the way first.
I think one of the fixes of the latest patch is in regards to the camera positioning.
Yeah, so Capcom said as well. Yeah, who'd have thought that having your character take up 3/4 of the screen in an action/horror game would be a major issue? ::)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2013, 06:08:34 PM
That's for the horror aspect. It's a lot scarier if you can't see what's going on.
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Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2013, 06:16:09 PM
I'd buy that reasoning if Resident Evil 6 was a survival horror game...
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 13, 2013, 07:29:17 PM
@fatty: I'm going to give you an applaud a day for as long as I can remember just because of ”chinga tu madre”
also are we allowed to post links to mr cox's twitter? I've love to mouth off via tweets. i barely use the thing, this night change that around.. lets just all tweet then that we're passing up the game or something, no death threats please.. we're better than that (I hope)
Much obliged. Glad you enjoyed. One day, I will return the favour.
Also, good idea with the Twitter. I might even sign up just to be able to tweet my ire (as if anyone cared).
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 14, 2013, 03:21:54 AM
I will put this topic to bed with this simple solution: Nintendo should take advantage of their war chest and create three software companies, one in Japan, and another in the North America and Europe, that exists for the sole purpose of translating the code of third party games for the Wii U. One reason why a lot of third parties refuse to support the Wii U is the amount of time it takes to translating the code to work on the Wii U. Nintendo sign deals like normal and part of the deal would be to give code to Nintendo to reconfigure to the Wii U. This would benefit third parties because they would not have to provide the financial clout to support the Wii U, but would still get a cut of the sles revenue when it is released.
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Post by: alegoicoe on January 14, 2013, 05:08:21 AM
That sounds terrific, but sh*t would go down the drain when the time to talk about profits comes.
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Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2013, 07:39:17 AM
Porting and translating are not the costly or difficult parts. That's why 3rd parties often hand ports to any platform to smaller companies to handle the grunt work. All the risk is in publishing and marketing. If 3rd parties knew that they would get a million plus sales, they would commission ports like crazy. They don't know and they don't have faith in the audience at all. Is their skepticism justified? Depends on the game... depends on a lot of things really. Personally, I think it's often a cop out for new games. Porting a nearly 3 year old game like Lords of Shadow? Okay, I get that. Porting Lords of Shadow 2 alongside the other versions? No way! Porting Lords of Shadow (possibly as a bonus) and releasing it with Lords of Shadow 2 alongside the other versions? Definitely, no way!
Nintendo could front the cost of coding. They could, but they won't. It would be a nice gesture though it sidesteps the real issue. What would be more beneficial is cutting 3rd parties a deal on licensing fees and covering part of marketing and publishing costs while taking a smaller cut of revenue. They could, but they definitely would not. They shouldn't be expected to anyway. That's bad business (that doesn't guarantee anything in the future) and it sets a bad precedent as well.
It has to start somewhere. Wii U owners can't buy games that don't exist on the platform. 3rd parties are going to have to take the risk and not treat Wii U owners as 2nd class gamers with shoddy ports and callous efforts. Then, Wii U owners need to respond by supporting those games.
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Post by: alegoicoe on January 14, 2013, 01:45:50 PM
Agreed, i highly doubt that nintendo would be willing to pay for a gamble, like you said is bad for business plus, this porting thing sucks, i really don't want 2 or 3 year old games on the system, for example batman, i mean i am happy people got to play it, but really charging full price for a game that has been out for a year its plain stealing, i rather have third parties focusing here on out and bring new games like the new devil may cry or metal gear, but i guess that's not happening either. Tricky spot nintendo is in with the Wii U, i guess at least until proven other wise is gamecube all over again, cause i am sure nintendo has some big surprises under their sleeves.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 14, 2013, 02:06:32 PM
Agreed, i highly doubt that nintendo would be willing to pay for a gamble, like you said is bad for business plus, this porting thing sucks, i really don't want 2 or 3 year old games on the system, for example batman, i mean i am happy people got to play it, but really charging full price for a game that has been out for a year its plain stealing, i rather have third parties focusing here on out and bring new games like the new devil may cry or metal gear, but i guess that's not happening either. Tricky spot nintendo is in with the Wii U, i guess at least until proven other wise is gamecube all over again, cause i am sure nintendo has some big surprises under their sleeves.
I would be willing to pay for older games strictly on the eShop. For example, if I were to pay full price for Lords of Shadow 2 on the Wii U then I can get the original Lords of Shadow on the eShop for say twenty dollars? I do see the huge financial gamble of putting games on the Wii U. However, would it be safer for them to put the games exclusively on the Wii U's eShop? The people on the RFN podcast think that releasing only on the eShop entails better sales security.
Theoretically the only way to get Lords of Shadow on the Wii U would be through the eShop and if you want a physical copy then buy from the other consoles.
You are talking to a guy that wants Doom 3 BFG on the Wii U and is willing to pay to get it on the Wii U.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 14, 2013, 02:15:22 PM
Porting can be costly depending on the circumstances. That was a reason why there weren't a lot of ports to Wii. The games in the most case would have to be built from the ground up.
The Wii U currently is ant facing that so the lack of ports is alarming but once Unreal 4 hits it may become one.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 14, 2013, 02:15:56 PM
Putting it on the eShop exclusively removes a lot of the risks, but brings some new ones. Publishing costs go down to virtually nothing, and marketing doesn't have to be as extensive, but it does limit your sales to an extent.
I think with the way things are going down, with competitors' superior hardware launching <1 year after launch, Nintendo needed to be more aggressive than they've been in regard to third party support. Nintendo doesn't have the luxury of giving devs time to come along, and they may already be past the point of being able to secure real support.
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Post by: Kytim89 on January 14, 2013, 02:32:44 PM
Putting it on the eShop exclusively removes a lot of the risks, but brings some new ones. Publishing costs go down to virtually nothing, and marketing doesn't have to be as extensive, but it does limit your sales to an extent.
I think with the way things are going down, with competitors' superior hardware launching <1 year after launch, Nintendo needed to be more aggressive than they've been in regard to third party support. Nintendo doesn't have the luxury of giving devs time to come along, and they may already be past the point of being able to secure real support.
If support does not happen now then it never will happen.
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Post by: Ceric on January 14, 2013, 02:34:16 PM
Putting it on the eShop exclusively removes a lot of the risks, but brings some new ones. Publishing costs go down to virtually nothing, and marketing doesn't have to be as extensive, but it does limit your sales to an extent.
I think with the way things are going down, with competitors' superior hardware launching <1 year after launch, Nintendo needed to be more aggressive than they've been in regard to third party support. Nintendo doesn't have the luxury of giving devs time to come along, and they may already be past the point of being able to secure real support.
If support does not happen now then it never will happen.
Lets hope nintendo knows what they are doing in respect towards future software for Wii U, cause the system as of today is lacking on all fronts when compared to the rival systems. True, the gamepad is a neat idea and one that at least for me works, but looks like third parties did not get on boat with the idea as well as nintendo thought they might have. I think there is still plenty of time for support to ramp up, but it will definitely have to be this year in order to avoid serious competition with the coming systems.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 15, 2013, 12:58:37 AM
Is it bad that I doing think they can turn it around.
I hope to be proved wrong at E3 but we don't know anything about what's hitting fall because we assume most of it is slated for systems not released. However there are quite a few games that are known and haven't been announced for Wii U.
I think Nintendo needs to look at keeping its indie developers happy and invest more in them like Microsoft/Sony does. Do more than support the games on their service and look into publishing these games as well as acquiring the developers themselves. They should look at what Sony has done with thatgamecompany or Microsoft has done with Signal Studios. They should also look into forming an incubation studio to work with smaller developers like Sony Santa Monica does and Microsoft Lift London will.
The biggest thing Sony could do is more stuff like the partnerships with Ubisoft and Platinum Games to get exclusive stuff for retail. No one gets mad when technically Gears of War, Alan Wake, and the last splinter cell have been exclusive to Xbox. Nintendo should get on the gt round with developing New IP with developers that's exclusive. Just a few would be
Get Tecmo working on the Next Fatal Frame game pronto, if I recall doesn't Nintendo co-own the franchise with tecmo.
I think EX troopers would have been a great exclusive game for Nintendo but that's not happening,
Look to the THQ sale and try and grab say Darksiders and Metro last light.
Get Mistwalker working on a new game alongside monolith Soft.
Try another go at a non Mario Kart racing game. Revisit the excite series or fzero
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 15, 2013, 01:18:03 AM
Nintendo definitely can turn it around. I don't know that they will, but the possibility is certainly there. Really, just looking at what we can already deduce they have, with EAD Tokyo, Retro, Monolith and Smash Bros., that's a pretty formidable lineup. If you assume there are another couple things we don't know about, then all that's left is third party support.
As far as 3DS goes, Nintendo could not release any games for it for the next two years and still have sold ten times as many units as the Vitta.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 15, 2013, 09:42:51 AM
I hope so because of looks like the Wii U is stuck in this weird post ion between the last gen console and the other next gen consoles. The Dreamcast had the same thing happen top of as well iirc.
But in Nintendo we trust.
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Post by: Ceric on January 15, 2013, 09:51:30 AM
I hope so because of looks like the Wii U is stuck in this weird post ion between the last gen console and the other next gen consoles. The Dreamcast had the same thing happen top of as well iirc.
But in Nintendo we trust.
Though they did botch the Harmony Style Universal remote with the Wii U that could have easily been a system seller.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 15, 2013, 11:28:53 AM
I'm surprised they didn't market it that more. Overall I think the marketing for the Wii U has been terrible and doesn't persuade me to get one.
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Post by: alegoicoe on January 15, 2013, 11:47:52 AM
Marketing has been pretty bad so far, i mean who came up with the stupid catch phrase "What will U play next" what the f*uk, is like its being directed towards a 3 year old. Nintendo should start acquiring some talent pronto, THQ sale out is a great opportunity.
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Post by: Sarail on January 16, 2013, 11:10:39 AM
Marketing has been pretty bad so far, i mean who came up with the stupid catch phrase "What will U play next" what the f*uk, is like its being directed towards a 3 year old. Nintendo should start acquiring some talent pronto, THQ sale out is a great opportunity.
How U Will Play Next.
Much different ideology there, man. I like the catchphrase. It's just...not being emphasised correctly to gain more appeal.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 16, 2013, 11:23:38 AM
"How U will play next" is actually a pretty good marketing vcampagin when leading up to the launch of the device. They should have been using that Tagline since E3 2011 and do a viral like campaign and then follow up with a more serious campaign.
My problem is I hate everything about the current Wii U ads.
Are they using a different advertising agency than they did with the Wii.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 16, 2013, 01:49:28 PM
So Splinter Cell Blacklist got pushed back to August. Means that a Wii U version should be in the works as well.
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Post by: Caterkiller on January 16, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
They should really bring back the Japanese guys going home to home doing house calls again. Wii would like to play with U works just fine. Put the people in a real environment without all those seizure inducing lights and then you got another winner. Reminds of the original GameCube adds, they came off as trying to be cool with everything happening in a cube but its just a bit off putting I think.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 16, 2013, 02:58:03 PM
They should really bring back the Japanese guys going home to home doing house calls again. Wii would like to play with U works just fine.
I read this and started off thinking "Hell Yeah!. That's a great idea."
Then I started to picture the ad.
A woman answers the door. The two Japanese guys are there. One bows as he says part of the tagline, the other bows immediately after as he finishes the tagline.
Guy 1: We would like to play. Guy 2: With you!
And I was immediately very creeped out.
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Post by: EasyCure on January 16, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
pfft, nothing strange about two grown japanese men coming to your door wanting to play with you.. unless they're naked and/or have tentacles.
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 16, 2013, 05:33:53 PM
One thing that really helped the Wii in terms of marketing is that it's whole big motion control gimmick sold itself. Basically all they had to do was inform the consumer that the motion controller tennis game they've wanted their whole lives now actually existed. Wii Sports was a dream game for a huge chunk of the population.
One problem I had with the Cube ads back in the day was that they kind of assumed you gave a **** about the Gamecube, which was a really dumb assumption since the N64 had poisoned the Nintendo brand for the last five years. No one but the already converted was going to give a **** about the Cube unless Nintendo convinced them. I think they should have pushed Rogue Leader more since it was pretty much the dream game for every kid that grew up with Star Wars. Instead they pushed Luigi's Mansion - a game only Nintendo diehards would ever give a **** about.
You need that product that will sell itself if you just inform the public that it exists (I remember the first GBC ads were basically "hey it's a colour Game Boy"). I don't think Nintendo even has such a product since "hey, it's got a tablet" doesn't seem like something anyone has been waiting for. If they don't have such a product they have to find a way in the marketting to make people think they've been waiting for a Wii U their whole lives.
But the Wii didn't sell because it was called "Wii" or was white or had those two Japanese guys in the ad. The only way Nintendo could possibly have fucked up marketing it was if they didn't let the public know that it had motion control.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: Kytim89 on January 16, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
Depending on how powerful the Wii U is compared to the PS4 and Xbox 720 then Nintendo could segment the gaming market into three segments that consist of each gaming company having one-third of it to themselves. For Nintendo to accomplish this they would to attract about fifteen-percent of both Sony and Microsoft's fan base to make it work, which would leave Nintendo with about thirty-percent of the gaming industry in their court. Here is a way for them to do it:
Microsoft:
Offer a similar, or better, version on Microsoft's online system at a reduced cost, or totally free of charge.
Sony:
Focus on better quality first party titles. Take the LoZ and Mario series to new heights in order to take advnatage of the Wii U's hardware.
Title: Re: The Wii U is Getting **** Upon When It Comes to Third Party Games
Post by: alegoicoe on January 16, 2013, 07:52:28 PM
Bring as many games and support as those two systems enjoy :D
