Post by: Mario on May 28, 2003, 03:14:54 PM
Satoru Iwata says that Nintendo's developers are hard at work on next generation stars to replace Mario and Pokemon! Read the article.
Post by: Artimus on May 28, 2003, 03:37:22 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on May 28, 2003, 03:56:42 PM
Mario and Pokemon certainly won't be retired but new mascots will join them and may even "replace" them as Nintendo's top franchises.
I'm a little worried about Iwata's obsession with Nintendo retaking control of the console market though. How driven for dominance of the console market is he? Enough to start sacraficing Nintendo's uniqueness and innovation for the sake mainstream appeal. One look at his history makes me think he'd never resort to that but it may very well be the only way Nintendo could ever retake control of the market.
Hopefully Iwata will realize that, though winning the console war would be nice, it's far more important that Nintendo remain Nintendo even if that means it will have to settle for the silver or bronze.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 28, 2003, 04:01:03 PM
In addition, I don't think Iwata is thriving to become #1, but gain some hold on the console market. I think both Nintendo and Microsoft are upset that PS is owning them, so I think they want to cut back into Sony's lead.
Post by: Mario on May 28, 2003, 04:05:17 PM
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Post by: joshnickerson on May 28, 2003, 04:54:11 PM
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Post by: Ninja X on May 28, 2003, 05:22:43 PM
Seriously, nothing will replace Mario or Pokemon for the time being. They are Nintendo's "money mascots." You can't just kill off your cash cow like that.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 28, 2003, 05:54:32 PM
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 28, 2003, 06:21:08 PM
There is no chance they will "replace" him. MARIO IS NINTENDO.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 28, 2003, 06:33:32 PM
That's another way of saying Nintendo is for kids.
But that's expected from MS.
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 28, 2003, 07:56:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Michael8983
I'm glad Iwata sees the need for new Nintendo mascots.
Mario and Pokemon certainly won't be retired but new mascots will join them and may even "replace" them as Nintendo's top franchises.
I'm a little worried about Iwata's obsession with Nintendo retaking control of the console market though. How driven for dominance of the console market is he? Enough to start sacraficing Nintendo's uniqueness and innovation for the sake mainstream appeal. One look at his history makes me think he'd never resort to that but it may very well be the only way Nintendo could ever retake control of the market.
Hopefully Iwata will realize that, though winning the console war would be nice, it's far more important that Nintendo remain Nintendo even if that means it will have to settle for the silver or bronze.
Actually this is what I like about Iwata, he shows the fire and desire to get Nintendo to the top of the game. He also seems to be exploring options and doing things that Yamauchi would never consider. This is the type of leadership Nintendo needs to regain the top spot in the gaming industry. I read the article and from what I gather he's basically saying that Nintendo's hard at work on brand new titles that will gain more of an audience with gamers and help sell Nintendo consoles.
Since the launch of the N64, Nintendo has been making a living off of Gameboy and a eroding diehard fanbase. I think Iwata realizes what Yamuachi didn't. Times have changed and gamers tastes have changed. While Mario, Zelda, etc. will always sell a huge number of titles, they won't pull in a new audience for Nintendo. They are going to sell to us the diehard Nintendo gamer. New franchises will not only be great for us because, speaking for us all, I know we enjoy Nintendo quality. It will draw in gamers that traditionally wouldn't even give Nintendo a second thought.
Iwata seems to have a lot of things up his sleeve. From what I gather he will continue to produce the old franchises for us the diehard fan, but to gain new Nintendo fans. He is having Nintendo come up with new ideas and new franchises to garner the attention of the current generation of gamer that has no memory of Nintendo's dominance, the generation of gamer that only knows Playstation. If Iwata can manage to produce new AAA franchises, new sequels to the old franchises, a free online play system with Gamespy, and launch the GC's successor along sides the PS3 with Nintendo's new third party partnerships....Nintendo just may when the war next generation. Thats a lot of ifs but then again...I'm sure there are even more cards up his sleeve.
Darc Requiem
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 28, 2003, 08:22:41 PM
I, personally, don't like the idea of Nintendo pushing a new mascot. Super Smash Bros. Melee has shown that Nintendo's franchises are key to its success. Not many casual gamers will recognize Miyamoto's name on a game like a casual moviegoer would recognize "Spielberg" or "Lucas" attached to a movie. People recognize names like "Mario" or "Link".
Do you think Mario Party would have sold as well if it were just "Party"?
It will take years for Nintendo to build up a new mascot. Nintendo has been VERY fortunate in establishing its mascots (Sega was only successful with Sonic, Sony and Microsoft have both had failed attempts) and I don't think now is the time when it should be taking focus away from what works. Plus, there's the "Nintendo Fanboy" perspective. A lot of us grew up with Mario and would not take kindly to a new, hipper mascot (in the vain of Crash or Bug?...hah!). Iwata damn well better know what he's doing, because he could be making a huge mistake here.
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: PIAC on May 28, 2003, 09:43:59 PM
Post by: Nephilim on May 28, 2003, 10:50:48 PM
Marth and Roy are now popular
Link is Holding Nintendo more at the moment then mario
maybe they should look into action rpg more
Post by: K-Man on May 29, 2003, 03:34:46 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 04:41:13 AM
What the F**K????
I'm really getting pissed at M$ now!!!!!
And a beefed up PS2? Uh.....you beefed up the PSX to the PSOne, and now the PS2 to the PSX? I think names at Sony don't really get more creative than, say PS99, PSZ or PSO (d'oh, already taken!). BUt the features...are Sony seriously a gaming company? I mean, what the hell features are those on a game syst...oh wait, yeah, teh PS2 was an entertainment system already. Never mind. But do Sony seriously have to rebuild an existing console all the time? I think it's becoming a trend now. And a really stupid one. Sure, it's probably successful, but we'll practically have six gaming consoles by 2005/6: GC2, Xbox2, PS3, PS2 remake, PSOne (which I'm sure is STILL being sold, and I know that people STILL make games for it), and the PSP, which is really a smaller version of the PSOne with better hardware.
The industry is getting so stupid. Just because you CAN put all these features in, doesn't mean you should. Sony and M$ will be obsessed and spend big $$$ on other features, while Nintendo rakes in big $$$ by focusing on games (they may put in CD/DVD playback on their next console, but hey, they might not). I mean, I understand the internet-ready stuff on consoles, but what the hell does TV tuners and DVD recorders do for a gaming system?
Losing focus? I think so!
Phew! Now onto the topic at hand.
If Nintendo made some character that was radically different from Mario or the rest, then it wouldn't be good. I can imagine NCL's PR:
"Ninjaboy is here, and he's gonna kill Mario and take us to new heights in gaming! He's mature, he's got attitude, and he swears! H'es the coolest thing in games, and he will have the best games on the planet!!! Yeah yeah, cool cool!"
The should make him/her different enough to star in a non-kiddy game, but just sane enough to be able to fit alongside Mario and the gang. I mean, Marth and Roy are doing pretty good jobs in holding their own.
Post by: The Doc on May 29, 2003, 06:57:40 AM
Post by: joeamis on May 29, 2003, 07:40:08 AM
For one they're not going to stop making games for their existing mascots so there's no reason to worry that these mascots will replace the existing ones
Secondly mascots like pokemon are new and have they been bad for Nintendo?, NO WAY, more mascots means more games you care about playing...
Third, Nintendo has been creating new mascots all the time, in the early to mid 90s they resurrected Donkey Kong and created Diddy Kong, and it really helped them sell games/systems, Kirby also recieved a lot of games too in that era. Then they came up with baby mario around the same time, and it also was received very well. Then theres Wario...
Now they're coming up with new mascots in the SSBM series... and Fzero GX, Mario Kart DD, and Starfox Adventures...
if you look at the history of introducing new mascots it's been probably the most lucrative deal for Nintendo, other than the games for the mascots we've had since the NES days
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 29, 2003, 07:54:02 AM
Take Sony, for instance. They really tried to push Crash, and it worked for a while. Then, eventually, people got tired of him. Now, you could argue that this won't happen to Nintendo, because they keep their licenses strong with good games. If people don't accept them to start with, though, there's really no point. Plus, when given the choice of a Mario game or New Mascot Game X, most people will choose Mario. Of course, Nintendo won't put them in direct competition, but it's a small scale version of what could really happen on a fanboy level. Because Nintendo won't put them in direct competition, we could be getting mascots we don't like in place of a new Mario or Zelda come any given Christmas. Nintendo has a habit of pushing something until they are hit on the head with a mallet that it does not work. Who's to say that public disinterest will not cause something even more unwanted?
Of course, this could all be a moot point if they come up with a super ingenious license that appeals to everyone (again). However, what business in the world is that lucky?
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: Mingesium on May 29, 2003, 08:00:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
I want Riqa back.
I heard that Riqa is now known as Rogue Ops and it comes out for all systems this fall.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 29, 2003, 09:21:08 AM
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Originally posted by: MingesiumQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
I want Riqa back.
I heard that Riqa is now known as Rogue Ops and it comes out for all systems this fall.
Well, problem solved. But it'd better really be Riqa.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 29, 2003, 09:53:20 AM
What Nintendo has to do is create new game series that are self-contained and are more attractive to an older audience. The day games started targetting to adults is the day that mascots were no longer system sellers. Mascots are considered childish to most people. A mascot game is a kiddy game in the eyes of the casual gamer. Nintendo already has enough "kiddy" franchises and creating more mascots is just going to reinforce their image of a kiddy company. The kids already have Mario, Pokemon, and Kirby. They don't need anymore kids franchises. They need to get a foothold with the adult market and they can't do that with mascots.
I think for the next generation Nintendo should hold back a bit on their usage of mascots. Restrict Mario to the real Mario games and Mario Kart, make Pokemon only an RPG series, restrict Kirby to real Kirby games and Zelda to real Zelda games. The only time of them leaves their normal series is for Smash Bros. Then focus new content on games that are more attractive to the adult gamer. Nintendo already has the kids market so they don't need to create new kids franchises. They do need to create new mature franchises. Therefore they should concentrate on creating new game series instead of new mascots.
Post by: Andi 28 on May 29, 2003, 10:03:57 AM
And as far as getting rid of Mario that would be sucidely as they would loss some of the best loved titles in the world such as Mario Kart
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 29, 2003, 10:21:01 AM
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: Ian Sane on May 29, 2003, 11:09:58 AM
You mean my post? Yeah I was refering to how most people view him as such. Personally I like Mario though I do wish Nintendo didn't whore him out to so many games. There's no reason for there to be a new Mario Party game every year for instance.
Post by: LinkMaster3000 on May 29, 2003, 11:25:48 AM
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 29, 2003, 11:43:34 AM
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 29, 2003, 11:48:27 AM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on May 29, 2003, 12:01:17 PM
Mascots are nice to have, but no longer necessary. The gaming industry is so big now, and customers are so savvy, that companies don't need to have recognizable characters to build brand awareness. In the mid-80's this was necessary because the industry was coming off the Atari 2600 holocaust, but the 2000s are a whole different ballgame. Everybody knows what videogames are these days.
The gaming industry is a lot like the movie industry now - take Warner Bros. for instance. It could use Bugs Bunny as a mascot, but it doesn't have to. Its movies are their own "mascots". Video games are getting this way too. People don't necessarily follow consoles any more, they follow game franchises like they do movie franchises. The platform is really irrelevant. If Nintendo creates some big franchises that adult gamers will follow religiously, they'll be right back on top.
silks
Post by: NWR_Lindy on May 29, 2003, 12:05:53 PM
(shame on me for not reading all the posts before I responded)
silks
Post by: vitaflo on May 29, 2003, 12:09:54 PM
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Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 29, 2003, 01:24:19 PM
I don't know its just an idea off the top of my head, maybe something nuthing on the lines of that, but I still want a very mature RPG with the Nintendo brand seal of quality.
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Post by: Matrix on May 29, 2003, 02:01:46 PM
When has Nintendo ever really shafted a character? Donkey Kong, missing since the arcade shows up on the SNES. Samus, not seen since the SNES now rejoins us. Even the Ice Climbers showed up in Smash Bros. Not to mention the E-Reader...
As for Pokemon, it's their biggest cash cow, and I have no doubt they'll continue to use it. Just not as much, though. You can't argue they've been milking Pokemon WAY too much, causing the hysteria to nearly die in North America. And Mario... his luck luster sales have shown he's getting old, and Nintendo can't afford to depend on him as much as they used to. He'll have his games, though. Mario still commands a respectable following, and it would be dumb to throw him out.
Personally, I want to see something new, anyways. There have been one too many games featuring Mario characters. A little variety goes a long way.
Post by: Michael8983 on May 29, 2003, 02:41:59 PM
I don't think it's fair to say Mario's sales have become lackluster. Mario Sunshine's sales may have been lackluster by Mario standards but it still sold really well by normal game standards and is one of Gamecube's best-selling games. The game didn't sell as strongly as expected for a variety of reasons, and I don't think diminishing popularity of the mascot was one of them.
Just look at the Mario Advance titles. They've been some of the GBA's strongest sellers.
"You can't argue they've been milking Pokemon WAY too much, causing the hysteria to nearly die in North America."
The Pokemon hysteria would have died out no matter what. The games still sold really well, though. Most of the Pokemon hysteria was a result of the cartoon, the merchandise, cards, etc... and not the games anyway. The Pokemon fad died out like all fads too but, fortunately, there are still millions who appreciate the games.
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 29, 2003, 02:54:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Matrix
I find the line of thinking of "Oh no! Nintendo is throwing away old characters for new ones!" rather foolish.
When has Nintendo ever really shafted a character? Donkey Kong, missing since the arcade shows up on the SNES. Samus, not seen since the SNES now rejoins us. Even the Ice Climbers showed up in Smash Bros. Not to mention the E-Reader...
Pit?
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 02:54:32 PM
I tell them that the games are very good, and they are what started the hype in the first place. They just go "you can't hack it that Pokemon is dead". Well, I was never a fan to begin with. The show just keeps me occupied in the mornings before Uni.
I went to the shops the the other day, and spent two hours on the GBA playing Ruby. MY back was hunched over, and I didn't get off until the line of kids reached 10 or so. Just to build a little attention.
Hehe, sorry for the subject change there. Just had to get that off my chest.
Post by: ThePerm on May 29, 2003, 03:06:59 PM
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 29, 2003, 03:12:48 PM
But any ways. I think the perfect mascot for Nintendo would be...............................................................
Uh......................................................
Maybe an electrician? lol j/k...
I have no F'ing idea.
Post by: RickPowers on May 29, 2003, 03:21:48 PM
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I heard that Riqa is now known as Rogue Ops and it comes out for all systems this fall.
Riqa is NOT Rogue Ops. Riqa was cancelled, and Rogue Ops is a completely different game. In fact, if you knew where Rogue Ops originally came from, you'd understand why I have to laugh at the suggestion that it was previously Riqa.
The only thing the two projects share is the developer ... Bits Studios. I've played Rogue Ops, and it doesn't play anything like Riqa did.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 03:28:45 PM
My sister's room is filled with Harry Potter crap, and taking a leaf out of my book, she even got the Philosopher's Stone pop-out stand!
And she's 16.
Post by: RickPowers on May 29, 2003, 03:33:23 PM
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 29, 2003, 04:23:16 PM
"Remember, kids. Imagination is great, BUT ONLY LIMITED TO HARRY POTTER."
-- ShockingAlberto
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Post by: Darc Requiem on May 31, 2003, 01:46:37 PM
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Geist will be just another mature game Gamecube owners won't buy for one reason or another. Eternal Darkness should've been a million-seller. It barely broke the 100,000 mark in North America.
Actually Eternal Darkness sold 200,000 Copies in North America but I agree that the game should have been AT LEAST a million seller.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Nik Jam on May 31, 2003, 02:06:22 PM
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 31, 2003, 02:10:01 PM
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Actually Eternal Darkness sold 200,000 Copies in North America but I agree that the game should have been AT LEAST a million seller.
Well, had Nintendo actually advertised it, I'm sure it would have sold a lot. I can still remember the original Resident Evil commercials, but I can't remember any of the ED ones (despite me seeing the commercial at least once).
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 31, 2003, 02:20:19 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 31, 2003, 02:54:00 PM
I beg of Nintendo to please grant me this, A mature RPG brand sealed is what I wish, make it fun and epic-----chalk full of story, so when I play it, I can really feel the glory, slaying beasts left n right, is definitly a must have, but don't forget the comedic part, so I repeadtly just laugh, especially when I perfectedly puff and pass, (speed up the beat) uh make it mature, with the band playing that sweet overture, to greatly signify when I stab the bosses EYE, no need to sanitize, let me see the blood and tissue, so I realize, I violently I solved the issue, don't go crazily unrealistic, something like Cowboy bebop but somewhat sadistic,
I'm done
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 31, 2003, 03:08:58 PM
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Post by: 220man on May 31, 2003, 04:47:42 PM
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 31, 2003, 06:50:11 PM
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Shut up, Harry Potter is awesome. I'm getting the next book as soon as it's available.
*Imagines Rick as a 5 year old child running PGC*
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Post by: PIAC on May 31, 2003, 07:21:12 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 31, 2003, 11:30:46 PM
It's jut stupid the way it has all these 'soap' elements in it, to appeal to the girls.
"Oh my gawd! Is Harry gonna go out with Cho Chang? Hermione? Mrs Weasley?"
"And what about Ron! That thing with Hermione at the end of the Chamber of Secrets movie sooooo means they're gonna go out with each other!"
"Look at Harry! Isn't he so dreamy!"
It's just sick.
Apart from that, Ron's cool. Funny bastard that one.
Post by: oohhboy on June 01, 2003, 05:06:57 AM
Post by: Darc Requiem on June 01, 2003, 06:04:15 AM
Anyway enough Harry Pothead talk, we were having a nice discussion about Iwata's more agressive stance than Yamauchi and the introduction of new mascots that could eventually replace the current ones. Darc Requiem
Post by: Raising_Hell on June 01, 2003, 04:45:00 PM
What we have here is two things, Iwata and all this talk about new 'mascots'. Iwata is a great guy, he's young and ambitious like Yamauchi was back in the 80's, let's not forget how daring it must have been for Nintendo to launch a consle back then after the 84' crash in the States, and it mustn't have been an easy job to take the whole industry into their own hands and make it grow. Let's face it, most 3rd parties out their own part of their success to Nintendo's ballsy aand bossy attitude. Iwata knows this, but now he's just trying to catch up. I don't think he's going to take the company into making more games with less quality, after all Nintendo didn't do that when they dominated and that was more than what Sony has been doing, so I don't think they'll do it now. What they will do is upgrade their marketing strategy, change their image. Their gonna try to put more guts into their style, remember "Now you're playing with power"? That phrase sold games on it's own.
This change can't do much I'm afraid on it's own. The leaders at Kyoto know this also, so whats the answer? Mascots, or rather...characters. see, Mario can't be changed, neither can Link (actually he did change in the Space World 200 demo but we all saw it as a OOT upgrade). These characters can't change either because the 'kiddie' thing has been stuck on them or because stupid PC gamers who have been playing the same variation of C&C for the past 6 years(?) say "Come on, Zelda, again? Same ol' same ol'". Nintendo has seen this and it pisses them off that they are the ones that have been innovative the most compared to any other company and at the same time they are getting the least out of it because of stupid reasons (the 'kiddie' thing is bad but dumb guys who are playing the same games with different graphics for years while accusing these new and innovative games of being the same thing is worse). So, Nintendo has to win these players with new stuff. Innovative? Maybe, but the goal is to win them over by selling them things that appeal to them more that the excisting arsenal and ensuring their (the gamers') 'image' by changing their own to a cooler one.
This more will be good for us too. Not about the image and stuff cause if we were afraid of being call pussies because we got the wimpy purple cube and not the slick black...cube, we wouldn't be here. But thing of the options. We were all upset when we found out that Zelda would go the cel-shaded way and not the SW 2000 way, well not maybe we'll get some new character, that will do Link's job in such a setting. It might all end up being just copies of the things we are familiar with now, but it will get those idiots to get a Nintendo console and we can get a more 'mature' Nintendo gaming fix. Also this give Nintendo the chance to let younger designers of theirs step up and make their own myths, wasn't it announced that Nintendo opened a studio in Tokyo recently? All this will bring newer characters, newer characters will bring 3rd parties and they will, in turn, bring some of their games to us. Hooray!
There's one thing that saddens me though. The GC has been such a great console for me. It has brought old NES and Snes day back, that;s how good it games are to me. It really is a pitty Nintendo hadn't prepared these changes for the GC era. But I guess that would show just what kind of followers people are. Just imaging, in a different reality, the idiots that diss the GC, walking around with it in their hands just because of a different image...
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 01, 2003, 04:45:08 PM
Anyone know who Grug is?
He was my fave book character when I was a young'un.
And he's my first non-Natalie avatar!
So if Nintendo are looking for a new Mascot that's cute, cuddly, and has that hint of nostalgia, it should the one and only Grug!
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2003, 05:57:23 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 01, 2003, 06:11:00 PM
i think she feels a little 'gruggish' today.
I don't know. We'll see if she gets better during the week.
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on June 01, 2003, 06:32:33 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/bw/20030528/bs_bw/b3835158mz033
To sum it up, the article comments that Nintendo isn't doing as well as they have been, and that they're introducing new franchises and titles - their latest being Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes. It then goes on to say that Microsoft and Sony are eating away at Nintendo's market share and sales. You've then got an analyst saying that Nintendo needs to give the market more of what it wants (ie so-called mature titles with realistic shooting et al). This is followed by information on Nintendo's connectivity titles such as Tetra's Trackers and that Nintendo will be giving away Game Boy Players with their consoles. The article also states that while the Game Boy Advance is strong at the moment, Sony has announced plans for a handheld rival, the PSP, and that the announcement has affected Nintendo's share price. Finally, there's the Microsoft comment, which is actually being made in response to an Iwata quote saying that online gaming isn't profitable as the average gamer doesn't want to pay more money to play a game they've already paid for. (Fair enough.)
Yet, it's all been taken out of context and made to seem that Iwata is reacting to Microsoft's "jibe" that they're a toy company by shafting Mario and Pokemon, and replacing them with new characters. This is not the case. It's mostly just a summary of what we already know - E3 news, Nintendo not performing as well as expected, the PSP, and Nintendo is making a successor to the GameCube and the Game Boy Advance. In other words, nothing very sensational at all.
As for the comment about Mario and Pokemon being replaced, I sincerely doubt it. Mario and Pokemon especially are Nintendo's biggest money makers. They'd be mad to completely drop them. Although the article does say "Nintendo's army of creators is hard at work on next-generation stars to replace the company's aging lineup of Mario and Pokemon", it is written by the article author -- not a direct quote. I believe that if anything, Nintendo would create new mascots to appeal to the older generation of gamers to COMPLIMENT Mario and Pokemon -- not replace them. All this fuss over one word.
Don't believe everything you read. All this typing has given me a headache. I'm off to...do something.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 01, 2003, 06:48:23 PM
i think i should stop fueling all this talk about Natalie Portman, Grug, and Harry Potter.
Lets get back on topic shall we?
The weirdest thing Nintendoi can do is just pump out a new game with a new character, with all this hype claiming that he (or she) is the coolest thing to come out of Nintendo since Shigeru.
I doubt they would do that.
They'd most likeley place the guy/girl in a well known game to introduce him/her to gamers. So if he/she is a success: "Wow! That guy is cool!", they can then start making games, books, movies, sex toys and whatnot to make them famous. If they're not a success: "What were Nintendo thinking when they created that thing?", then, well, at least they were in a game that was a success.
They did that with Yoshi, and look at him now.
I got this from N64 Gamer, by the way, I think. I just remember someone from somewhere said this.
If Nintendo want a new Mascot to bring in the doe, why not make a game character of someone who practically ensures the success of Nintendo?
I present......Shigeru, a skinny Japanese family man in a turtleneck who can run, jump, and create killer games. What would it be like to play as Shigeru? Only Nintendo can show us.
Get ready everyone.
Cause Shigeru's comin' to a Gamecube 2 near you.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on June 02, 2003, 01:29:54 AM
Post by: 220man on June 02, 2003, 02:00:22 AM
Post by: Raising_Hell on June 02, 2003, 06:35:42 AM
Also I don't feel that Nintendo will need to bring a character thats known from another game of theirs. They've done this already and it didn't work, it would show that they would be trying to go the safe way around and such characters would probably bring the kiddie thing with them. It's simple, they got new talent there, these new guys are gonna make fresh characters and they will be taught on how to design good games and great gameplay by the older masters, then they'll take this knowlege and use it in their own more modern way. Don't worry.
What I would like to see though, is a dark action RPG set in a futuristic busted up world. If you've ever heard of Shadowrun then you know what I'm talking about.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on June 02, 2003, 06:39:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Raising_Hell
What we have here is two things, Iwata and all this talk about new 'mascots'. Iwata is a great guy, he's young and ambitious like Yamauchi was back in the 80's...
Yamauchi was never young, certainly not in the 80s
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 02, 2003, 03:08:06 PM
I can't imagine Yamauchi with black hair.
*Goes back to 1951*
"Hello Mr. Yamauchi-san. Oh my god, you have black hair! I'm Termin8. I'm from the future. How have you felt about taking over Nintendo for a few years now?"
"Hwki lkaskj hybka iapo aelkf sdif aliwefas!!!!!!!!"
"Excuse me? Oh yeah, my Japanese translating machine's off."
*click*
"Ok."
"Get out of my way, you filthy little maggot!!!!!!!"
"Oh, sorry."
"You're fired!"
"But I don't work for you!"
"I make sure you fired from your job!"
"As a time traveller?"
(grumble)"Hmph!"
"Uhh, did you know that you're gonna hire a man named Shigeru Miyamoto, and he's going to save Nintendo from gaming oblivion single-handedly?"
"I will never hire anyone by that name! Especially not anyone who's gonna make some person named Jampman in a game called Donkey Kong!"
"BUt it's not 1980 yet! How do you know about that?"
"I am God. And a person that looked just like you came here 10 minutes ago telling me that same thing."
"Looked like me? How? I'm the only one who looks like me, and I don't have a twin."
"No, I meant he looked like an idiot. Now get out of my way! I have a Love Hotel to visit...I mean, run."
Well there you have it, the official Yamaichi-san interview, circa 1951.
Post by: The Omen on June 02, 2003, 03:25:21 PM
Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 12:33:34 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2003, 12:40:04 AM
Post by: Ocarina Blue on June 03, 2003, 12:41:48 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on June 03, 2003, 04:25:55 PM
I don't know, but Pitt, and Marth and Roy sound good to me.
Ice Climbers are too cute, and would only be successful if they stayed in cameo roles.
Another game I'd like to see:
Duck Hunt!
This game could bring back Nintendo's foray in the light gun department!
But then all the social issues of today would bring teh game down as unacceptable, too violent, and an ecouragement to people to shoot ducks, so that idea's scrapped.
Post by: SatansNemesis on June 03, 2003, 08:10:52 PM
Make it like zelda, but make it co-op and with a lot more action and battles. make it revolve more around the use of the sword (think of the 'advanced' sword moves for both of them in smash, only deeper with rpg elements). but keep puzzles in it. Marth and Roy visually can hold their own against adult link in smash bros for popular appeal (I heard one teen girl say that Roy was cuter than Link, plus many people think Roy looks just as cool as adult Link). Make it have the action of Lord of the rings 2 towers but with the presentation and puzzles of zelda. that could prove to be an interesting bit of gaming.
Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 08:52:43 PM
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This change can't do much I'm afraid on it's own. The leaders at Kyoto know this also, so whats the answer? Mascots, or rather...characters. see, Mario can't be changed, neither can Link (actually he did change in the Space World 200 demo but we all saw it as a OOT upgrade). These characters can't change either because the 'kiddie' thing has been stuck on them or because stupid PC gamers who have been playing the same variation of C&C for the past 6 years(?) say "Come on, Zelda, again? Same ol' same ol'". Nintendo has seen this and it pisses them off that they are the ones that have been innovative the most compared to any other company and at the same time they are getting the least out of it because of stupid reasons (the 'kiddie' thing is bad but dumb guys who are playing the same games with different graphics for years while accusing these new and innovative games of being the same thing is worse). So, Nintendo has to win these players with new stuff. Innovative? Maybe, but the goal is to win them over by selling them things that appeal to them more that the excisting arsenal and ensuring their (the gamers') 'image' by changing their own to a cooler one.
Well said. Every generation, EVERY SINGLE ONE, I have seen people say "OMG NINTENDO LOST CREATIVITY IT'S A NEW MARIO AND ZELDA!!". Every single generation, Nintendo has made new chapters in their classic franchises. Every single generation Nintendo has made entirely new games that go on (usually) to become franchises because people like them. Every single generation, a Nintendo franchise "episode" is an event. People expect a new Street Fighter, Resident Evil, GTA, Gran Turismo, and Madden every year. Sometimes multiple ones a year. Even if these installments are GOOD, it's still reasonable to expect some people to get jaded. Generally speaking, outside of cash cow Pokemon (and can anyone blame them, really, for taking care of a huge cash cow? Companies need money, die hard game fans), Nintendo does not do this.
The fact that a new Nintendo franchise entry is an event in fact can be a bad thing, as people tend to pin the universe on every single release. People shrug if the new Resident Evil isn't the ultimate game. But if they feel the new Zelda is shy a single dungeon, the world ends and Nintendo is d000000med. And the fact is, generally speaking, Nintendo simply tends to do more with their franchises, even if the changes or innovations are not to everybody's liking (FLUDD, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime etc.). When the next GTA game appears, people may go
"slightly better textures! Two new vehicles! A new kind of gun!". When the next Mario appears, people go "WTF?" over SOMETHING, a WTF of being caught completely blindsided by something they simply never would have imagined. (Love FLUDD or hate it, that was the reaction of virtually everyone to SMS.)I think a reason why a lot of people are scoffing at "NINTENDO IS DOOMED THEY MADE SEQUELS" is because, arguing over whether the "masses" want this or that, and how popular Mario still is aside, Nintendo making a new game in a series still means something different most of the time than when Joe Developer does it. Some people may not want to accept that, but there it is.
Um yeah sorry for my rant, i just hate it when people bad mouth Nintendo for making sequals to thier franchises.
Post by: NintendoKiD on June 03, 2003, 09:15:14 PM
Post by: SatansNemesis on June 03, 2003, 09:30:17 PM
Anyway, about possible new franchises...
-Geist? It looks awesome on video, and if it turns out to be the fabled 'nintendo difference' halo killer, we may be able to count it as a new franchise.
-Eternal Darkness? Denis hinted in one interview in the players guide that there was a host of potential story avenues that could be used in a sequel. If given the flare and market exposure, we could se alex or a different one of the characters seeing more of the lime light (what DOES happen to michael the firefighter? it only hints in the game...and then theres the issue of mantorok and denis' hint to "where is mantoroks opposite?")
-Custom Robo? while not new in japan, it is the first one to come to USA. And the video look sweet.
-Wario World? I only mention this because it could become a decent hit if it had a 2 or 4 player beat-em up mode. lol, the 'badder side' of nintendo. j/k
-Pit! could be a sweet game. but how could it be executed in 3-D?
-Pikmin?!? yes, pikmin, if it is given enough stratagey and co-op competetive elements it could rise up even more in popularity. and a pikmin war mode could...nah! there I go again on my spontaneous insanity kicks...I'll go work now.
Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 09:36:22 PM
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Originally posted by: NintendoKiD
If there was a new mascot it would have to be an evil Mario. He would have a black hat with a red and black M on it, black overalls and a white shirt with red gloves. He would be buff (Mario has no muscle) and no mustache. Hows that for a mascot
Yeah, and they should name him Wario
SatansNemises, lol sorry, i just think its a wierd idea thats all. And some weird ideas are good! But... the legend of Roy and Marth? Haha sorry.
Post by: SatansNemesis on June 03, 2003, 09:52:36 PM
Anyway, since shiggy's being so secretive over mario 128, do you think it could be a redefinition of mario? that instead of making brand new franchises they are making a brand new mario (and pokemon...meaning a cool NGC rpg?)? wasn't the mario in sunshine supposedly the "new mario"?
Post by: Mario on June 03, 2003, 10:01:54 PM
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