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Title: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: King Bowser Koopa on November 23, 2012, 09:31:33 PM

Could Nintendo's revolutionary console be getting another redesign?

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/rumor/32595

Nintendo may be releasing another Wii redesign in the near future.
The information was part of an internal release schedule from a major retailer that at this time we are unable to disclose.

After combing through the details we've gleaned the following information:

Introducing the Wii Mini! Coming Dec 7 2012!
WII MINI CONSOLE
Compact Nintendo Wii Console
Comes with Sensor Bar, Nunchuk and Wii Remote Plus with Jacket.

If true, this will mark the second redesign of the Wii console. The first was last year and made the console slightly smaller, removing the GameCube controller ports.
How much smaller the already-petite console can get is indeed a mystery.
This bring to mind similar swan-song reiterations of past Nintendo systems, such as the NES and SNES 101 redesigns and the Game Boy Micro.

As soon as any new information is revealed, you can be sure we'll be here to cover it. Stay tuned.

Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: joshnickerson on November 23, 2012, 09:45:59 PM
Sounds cool to me, though I'd think nearly everyone on the planet already owns a Wii at this point.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Shaymin on November 23, 2012, 10:02:48 PM
And they'll add a 3D screen to go with the one on the console itself, and I hear 3D capabilities may be part of it.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: AV on November 23, 2012, 10:05:54 PM
i find it hard to believe this rumor. It would confuse the public and how much smaller can it get?
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: lolmonade on November 23, 2012, 10:07:47 PM
I'm confused....why would they still be putting focus on the Wii console with the Wii U out?  And I would have thought by now the largest sects of the population interested in the system would have already gotten one at this point. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 23, 2012, 10:08:26 PM
i find it hard to believe this rumor. It would confuse the public and how much smaller can it get?

They released the NES 2 after the SNES was out, and the SNES 2 after the N64 was out. I think they could find some way to shrink it even more. They could advertise it as a more portable Wii, like Sony with the PSOne.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 23, 2012, 10:39:15 PM
If this rumor is truee then I could see the Wii being re-designed into small like the PS2 slim. Instead of having a disc slot then this smaller Wii would have a disc tray similar to that on the PS2 slim. The back of the console would still have the normal Wii ports, but the Gamecube ports would be gone, of course, and the overall unit would produce less heat. What I would like is for Nintendo to put about 2GBs of flash memory into this new Wii.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: TruenoGT on November 24, 2012, 09:01:39 AM
Perhaps they get rid of the DVD drive altogether and make it a download only device. I can't see them investing enough in the Wii infrastructure alone to make that happen, but if it was part of the making Wii compatibility more compelling on the Wii U (and for example, offering the Wii back catalog on the Wii U eShop), perhaps this could trickle down into a Wii only download service as well.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Adrock on November 24, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
I'm confused....why would they still be putting focus on the Wii console with the Wii U out?  And I would have thought by now the largest sects of the population interested in the system would have already gotten one at this point. 
A redesign wouldn't put the focus on the Wii. It would just allow them to manufacture them cheaper. There are still hold outs, such as PS3/360 owners who didn't want to spend more than $100 just to play Mario and Zelda.
Perhaps they get rid of the DVD drive altogether and make it a download only device.
Nintendo would have to revamp the Wii's entire online shop to accommodate downloads of retail games because a WiiWare/Virtual Console machine, while intriguing, is severely limiting. It's not a Wii anymore if it can't play retail games in any capacity. I don't see that as a priority for them. If a Wii Lite is coming, I would imagine it would just cut the dimensions down to the bare minimum though it would be interesting if Nintendo somehow managed to reintroduce GameCube backwards compatibility in a smaller packaged Wii.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 24, 2012, 01:39:56 PM
I'm confused....why would they still be putting focus on the Wii console with the Wii U out?  And I would have thought by now the largest sects of the population interested in the system would have already gotten one at this point. 
A redesign wouldn't put the focus on the Wii. It would just allow them to manufacture them cheaper. There are still hold outs, such as PS3/360 owners who didn't want to spend more than $100 just to play Mario and Zelda.
Perhaps they get rid of the DVD drive altogether and make it a download only device.
Nintendo would have to revamp the Wii's entire online shop to accommodate downloads of retail games because a WiiWare/Virtual Console machine, while intriguing, is severely limiting. It's not a Wii anymore if it can't play retail games in any capacity. I don't see that as a priority for them. If a Wii Lite is coming, I would imagine it would just cut the dimensions down to the bare minimum though it would be interesting if Nintendo somehow managed to reintroduce GameCube backwards compatibility in a smaller packaged Wii.

Like I said, if this rumor is true then I bet that the Wii slimmer will be about the same size as the PS2 slim and it might retail for $99.99.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 24, 2012, 02:02:19 PM
The Wii is already about the same size as the PS2 slim. The PS2 slim is 9.1 inches long, Wii is 8 inches. PS2 and Wii are both 6 inches wide. PS2 is 1.1 inches thick, Wii is 1 inch thick. So the Wii is actually already smaller than the PS2 slim.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: UncleBob on November 24, 2012, 02:02:50 PM
Virtually no retailer will stock a download-only system at this point.

See: PSP Go.

Wii would have a harder time, as stores have a LOT of Wii Shovelware that they're going to want to get rid of in the coming year.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: EasyCure on November 24, 2012, 02:07:09 PM
Great point, I've always wanted Wii Sports clones for $1!!!! no
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: ThePerm on November 24, 2012, 02:42:11 PM
hmmm, a redesign. No disk drive, no gamecube compatability, an ethernet port, download only, hulu plus, youtube, amazon, netflix, expanded media player, make it usb hard drive compatable, make it have a built in 250 GB hdd. Throw it in the Roku section. Call it a Wii Micro. Sell it for $69.99
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 24, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
The Wii is already about the same size as the PS2 slim. The PS2 slim is 9.1 inches long, Wii is 8 inches. PS2 and Wii are both 6 inches wide. PS2 is 1.1 inches thick, Wii is 1 inch thick. So the Wii is actually already smaller than the PS2 slim.

I shot myself in the foot with that one. What I meant was for Nintendo to take out the standard Wii disc drive and replace it with a disc tray. Then reconfigure the motherboard of the Wii with cheaper and  a more energy efficient chipset and the smaller Wii is finished.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Mop it up on November 24, 2012, 04:16:51 PM
I don't think they could make the Wii any smaller unless they replace the disc drive with a disc tray, which I would be all for. I'll probably get another Wii as a backup once they start being marked down on clearance, so I hope this is true.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 24, 2012, 05:15:44 PM
What second redesign? All they did last time was remove some internal components while the actual console stayed the same. That is not a redesign.

Are you going to say the various Xbox 360 Arcade and Elite motherboard revisions (Falcon, Zephyr, Xenon, etc.) were console redesigns too?
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: UncleBob on November 24, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
Nintendo changed the hardware number for the unit - that makes it a redesign.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Adrock on November 24, 2012, 08:18:14 PM
The Wii is already about the same size as the PS2 slim. The PS2 slim is 9.1 inches long, Wii is 8 inches. PS2 and Wii are both 6 inches wide. PS2 is 1.1 inches thick, Wii is 1 inch thick. So the Wii is actually already smaller than the PS2 slim.
The Wii is taller than the slimline PS2. Laying flat, the Wii is 1.73 inches tall vs. the slimline PS2's 1 inch height.
I don't think they could make the Wii any smaller unless they replace the disc drive with a disc tray, which I would be all for. I'll probably get another Wii as a backup once they start being marked down on clearance, so I hope this is true.
There's quite a bit Nintendo can do to make the Wii smaller, even with a slot drive. At this point, Nintendo could have the chipsets redesigned to be even smaller and require less power so the heatsink could be removed. If you look at the slimline PS2, some of its bulk can be attributed to the controller ports and memory card slots. Additionally, the newer slimline models don't have a power brick as that whole dealie has been incorporated into the console itself so depending on how that's handled could affect the size. Unless Nintendo insists on putting Gamecube controller ports and memory card slots back into a new Wii model, they can get it down to something a little larger than an Apple Superdrive.

I would totally pick up a redesigned Wii at some point considering I have a near-launch Wii and I'm not terribly fond of the Wii U's Wii Mode. It would be nice to have a backup.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Mop it up on November 24, 2012, 08:38:44 PM
There's quite a bit Nintendo can do to make the Wii smaller, even with a slot drive.
Shhh, don't give then ideas, I want a disc tray!
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: ShyGuy on November 24, 2012, 08:43:30 PM
Nintendo changed the hardware number for the unit - that makes it a redesign.

You still have to collect it, right?
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 24, 2012, 08:47:02 PM
Nintendo changed the hardware number for the unit - that makes it a redesign.

Under that logic though, the original PlayStation had at least 33 revisions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_(console)#Consumer_models

But Sony is a lot more loose with that than Nintendo, Nintendo doesn't change the model number for every minor internal change.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 24, 2012, 09:00:28 PM
I would have no problem owning a Wii that is the same dimensions, or smaller, than the PS2 slim. It is light weight and easy to carry. It also produces less heat and requires less energy, so that is a good thing.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 24, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
The Wii is already smaller than the PS2 slim, minus being 0.6 inches taller. The Wii also consumes less electricity than the PS2 slim, and is easy to carry around (minus stuff like the Sensor Bar).
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 24, 2012, 09:08:52 PM
If they really want to make it more portable they should put a handle on it.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 24, 2012, 09:10:43 PM
Virtually no retailer will stock a download-only system at this point.

See: PSP Go.

iPod Touch, iPad, Kindle Fire, and the various Android devices say hi...
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 24, 2012, 09:16:48 PM
Retailers weren't reluctant to stock the PSPgo because it was download only, they didn't want it because it was a less desirable, more expensive version of something that was already not selling well.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: UncleBob on November 24, 2012, 11:04:26 PM
Nintendo changed the hardware number for the unit - that makes it a redesign.

Under that logic though, the original PlayStation had at least 33 revisions:

Nintendo ≠ Sony.

Retailers weren't reluctant to stock the PSPgo because it was download only, they didn't want it because it was a less desirable, more expensive version of something that was already not selling well.

There were a couple of reasons why, but the download only model was a big one.

iPod Touch, iPad, Kindle Fire, and the various Android devices say hi...

Target (http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2012/0503/Target-will-stop-selling-Amazon-Kindle-devices) and Walmart (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/20/us-walmart-amazon-kindle-idUSBRE88J0WA20120920) say "Hi."

I'm saying that a Download-only Wii simply will not happen anytime in the next year.  I bet a $20 eShop card on it.  Anyone want to take me up on that bet?
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: lolmonade on November 24, 2012, 11:10:37 PM

I'm saying that a Download-only Wii simply will not happen anytime in the next year.  I bet a $20 eShop card on it.  Anyone want to take me up on that bet?

I'd take a wager that a Download-only Wii will never happen.  No retail games were released digitally, so while there is a decent library of virtual console and Wii Ware games, would they abandon a disc drive when anyone goes into a Gamestop and still sees half the aisles dedicated to Wii discs?
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 24, 2012, 11:47:04 PM

I'm saying that a Download-only Wii simply will not happen anytime in the next year.  I bet a $20 eShop card on it.  Anyone want to take me up on that bet?

I'd take a wager that a Download-only Wii will never happen.  No retail games were released digitally, so while there is a decent library of virtual console and Wii Ware games, would they abandon a disc drive when anyone goes into a Gamestop and still sees half the aisles dedicated to Wii discs?

I am still betting on something similar to the PS2 slim.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Stogi on November 25, 2012, 04:16:10 AM
The Wii the size of a slight bigger Apple TV would be dope.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Adrock on November 25, 2012, 12:18:08 PM
Shhh, don't give then ideas, I want a disc tray!
Lulz. +1

A disc tray has the same problem as a slot drive: an extra moving part, except a tray comes out of system which seems less sturdy. I wouldn't mind it being top loading like the Gamecube with that awesome and underrated disc eject button.
I am still betting on something similar to the PS2 slim.
I'd bet on it being even smaller. Unlike PS2, the Wii has no controller ports and the SD card slot is much smaller than a PS2 memory card slot (plus there's 1 fewer slot).
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 25, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
Shhh, don't give then ideas, I want a disc tray!
Lulz. +1

A disc tray has the same problem as a slot drive: an extra moving part, except a tray comes out of system which seems less sturdy. I wouldn't mind it being top loading like the Gamecube with that awesome and underrated disc eject button.
I am still betting on something similar to the PS2 slim.
I'd bet on it being even smaller. Unlike PS2, the Wii has no controller ports and the SD card slot is much smaller than a PS2 memory card slot (plus there's 1 fewer slot).

I bet this new Wii slim will have a sliding disc cover similar to that of the PS3 slimmer.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Adrock on November 25, 2012, 03:37:46 PM
I'll take that bet. How much?
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 25, 2012, 03:43:10 PM
I have doubts this Wii Mini will even come out, it's unusual for Nintendo to not announce a re-design less than 2 weeks before releasing it. Even the DS Lite was announced like 5 weeks in advance.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Mop it up on November 25, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
Oh, my mistake, I thought that the GameCube's one was called a disc tray. Yeah, I want what the GameCube had, my launch GameCube is still going strong. It really is a great piece of hardware...`
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: HeyItsMe on November 26, 2012, 01:50:18 PM
It will be the size of one dvd case  :P:
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Ian Sane on November 26, 2012, 03:09:51 PM
In regards to whether the Cubeless Wii counts as a revision, I would say it does entirely because ten years from now the distinction would matter to a retro videogame collector.  Getting the Cube backwards compatibility might be important to you so you would need to be aware of the two variations to avoid getting the wrong one.

A download-only Wii is a dumb idea for one simple reason: who is going to buy this?  Download-only seems more like a hardcore gamer thing and what hardcore gamer that is interested in the Wii doesn't already own one?  This isn't some SKU on a new system.  It's an old ass system that's borderline obsolete.  So Nintendo is going to go to the trouble to reconfigure the existing Wii store to accomodate this function for an obsolete system that the only demographic that would even care about this has long regarded as a joke?  How many of these would they sell?  Would it even be 100?

Now a download-only Wii U would make some sense because it is a current system and the store infrustracture is already in place.  Nintendo is even offering all of their retail titles as downloads.

Though I have to ask: what is the appeal of download only?  So if a game comes out ONLY in physical media you can't play it?  This is a GOOD thing?  I buy a Wii or a Wii U today and I can play EVERYTHING.  It doesn't matter if it's a disc or a download.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: lolmonade on November 26, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
Looks like a few other gaming news outlets (http://www.examiner.com/article/wii-mini-possibly-out-december-7) have picked up on this news (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/is-a-wii-mini-on-the-way/0107011), using NWR's article as the source. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/wii-mini-hitting-december-7-6400570)

NWR being the Nintendo sleuths!  Interested to see if this turns out being true.

Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 26, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
If the mini-Wii rumors are true then here are some of my predictions for the console:
  
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Adrock on November 26, 2012, 10:44:52 PM
The DSi and 3DS have that specific SD Card slot cover so that the SD card doesn't accidentally eject in your pocket. It's a little tougher to open than the door on the Wii or Wii U. There's no need for one of those on a home console. If Nintendo does redesign the console, I'd expect the cover for the sync button and SD Card slot to feature the same out-of-the-way, sliding in-console design as the Wii U.

I don't know if Nintendo would switch back to a top loading design because the Wii has that ridiculous LED around the disc slot that tells when you've received WiiConnect24 things. I guess they could just put the light somewhere or preferably, make it less intrusive. If it was top loading, I'd expect it to pop up like the GameCube instead of that ridiculous sliding door that the new PS3 has. Why would Nintendo copy the worst design choice on the new PS3 of all things? And besides, with a design so small, the door would be hanging over the console itself making it flimsier and more prone to getting caught on things. Again, I'll take that bet if you really believe it.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 26, 2012, 10:54:21 PM
The DSi and 3DS have that specific SD Card slot cover so that the SD card doesn't accidentally eject in your pocket. It's a little tougher to open than the door on the Wii or Wii U. There's no need for one of those on a home console. If Nintendo does redesign the console, I'd expect the cover for the sync button and SD Card slot to feature the same out-of-the-way, sliding in-console design as the Wii U.

I don't know if Nintendo would switch back to a top loading design because the Wii has that ridiculous LED around the disc slot that tells when you've received WiiConnect24 things. I guess they could just put the light somewhere or preferably, make it less intrusive. If it was top loading, I'd expect it to pop up like the GameCube instead of that ridiculous sliding door that the new PS3 has. Why would Nintendo copy the worst design choice on the new PS3 of all things? And besides, with a design so small, the door would be hanging over the console itself making it flimsier and more prone to getting caught on things. Again, I'll take that bet if you really believe it.

The only logical solution to making the Wii smaller is to change the disc slot to a tray. Perhaps Nintendo will put the disc tray in the middle of the console with a LED ring around it to illuminate when messages are avaialble on the system. In hindsight the sliding cover idea is a little silly, but how small can this thing get?
 
I will bet with you, but for no material gain.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Adrock on November 26, 2012, 11:11:32 PM
The only logical solution to making the Wii smaller is to change the disc slot to a tray.
Why?
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In hindsight the sliding cover idea is a little silly, but how small can this thing get?
Very. Look up the Apple Superdrive. If Apple could make it thinner, they probably would. I'm not saying Nintendo would make go for something that thin; I'm just trying to give you an idea how small a USB slot drive can be. Take out the heatsink, shrink the semiconductor die etc. and they can make it incredibly small.
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I will bet with you, but for no material gain.
You're no fun.
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: Kytim89 on November 26, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
Do you think that Nintendo will provide some kind of transfer application to allow Wii-to-Wii transfer of save data?
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 26, 2012, 11:53:45 PM
Do you think that Nintendo will provide some kind of transfer application to allow Wii-to-Wii transfer of save data?

No
They didn't do it in the Wii's lifetime, including when they redesigned the Wii the first time. If this rumored second redesign happens (I don't think it will), I don't see why Nintendo would decide to do it now
Title: Re: Rumor: Wii Mini Console
Post by: tendoboy1984 on November 27, 2012, 12:47:24 AM
In regards to whether the Cubeless Wii counts as a revision, I would say it does entirely because ten years from now the distinction would matter to a retro videogame collector.  Getting the Cube backwards compatibility might be important to you so you would need to be aware of the two variations to avoid getting the wrong one.

A download-only Wii is a dumb idea for one simple reason: who is going to buy this?  Download-only seems more like a hardcore gamer thing and what hardcore gamer that is interested in the Wii doesn't already own one?  This isn't some SKU on a new system.  It's an old ass system that's borderline obsolete.  So Nintendo is going to go to the trouble to reconfigure the existing Wii store to accomodate this function for an obsolete system that the only demographic that would even care about this has long regarded as a joke?  How many of these would they sell?  Would it even be 100?

Now a download-only Wii U would make some sense because it is a current system and the store infrustracture is already in place.  Nintendo is even offering all of their retail titles as downloads.

Though I have to ask: what is the appeal of download only?  So if a game comes out ONLY in physical media you can't play it?  This is a GOOD thing?  I buy a Wii or a Wii U today and I can play EVERYTHING.  It doesn't matter if it's a disc or a download.

What the hell are you ranting on about? Hardcore gamers only download games? Tell that to all the people playing iOS and Android games.