Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Caterkiller on November 22, 2012, 01:38:14 AM
Title: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Caterkiller on November 22, 2012, 01:38:14 AM
I wish we did something like this with the Wii, so lets have a thread discussing our predictions for the Wii U. That way we can go back and easily find our posts to eat crow or rub it in someone else's face.
Future predictions regarding:
1 - Market share 2 - Units sold 3 - 3rd party exclusives 4 - Perception among gamers 5 - Graphical capabilities years down the line.
Anything really. Doesn't have to be a list, these are just some ideas.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 22, 2012, 02:22:35 AM
I think it's kind of hard to make these predictions since we still know nothing about the 720/PS4. If we were to make these predictions back in 2005, everyone would have thought the PS3 would be dominate after the PS2. Instead Sony put a gun to their head and pulled the trigger at E3 2006. We also didn't know much about the Wii except for it's controller in late 2005, which gave us no idea how big the system would be when unveiled in 2006.
Sorry but I'm waiting until after E3 2013 before making these kind of predictions. Especially if the 720 or PS4 end up having another $599.99 suicide moment.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: azeke on November 22, 2012, 02:37:46 AM
I'm gonna play it.
How's that for a prediction?
x more days till it released and delivered to me D:
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: alegoicoe on November 22, 2012, 02:59:11 AM
incremental support from indie developers as we get close to the next gen and development cost increase, indie developers would have a cost advantage working for Wii U
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 22, 2012, 03:03:39 AM
With developers getting to choose their own price, and getting unlimited free patches/updates, I do think we could see more indie developers switching from Xbox Live Arcade/Xbox Indies to the eShop, especially the ones too lazy or cheap to fix games with massive bugs (like Fez developer Phil Fish, who refused to pay to fix a bug that would corrupt players save files).
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Caterkiller on November 22, 2012, 04:03:13 AM
Despite not seeing anything for the PS420 I'm betting that if the UE4 demo is the peak of Next Gen, Nintendo will not be left in the dust graphic wise again.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ThePerm on November 22, 2012, 04:09:41 AM
The first year is going to be relatively low key. After 1 week all of the "analysts" will spout doom and gloom for a few months. Slowly the early adopters will show off the Wii U to friends. The thing that will impress people the most will be that it makes an awesome remote control for their tv. Over the next year Ubisoft's sales on Wii U will be pretty high, mainly because they are the only choice in town. Zombi U will be a top seller despite mixed reviews, because of this a sequel will be announced and also other Zombie series like dead island will be announced for the console. The DeadIsland game will get mediocre sales because its an old game by this time. A sequel will be on ps4 and xbox 720. When asked if the sequel will come to Wii U the developer will come up with vague answers and stupid excuses.
Nintendo will show a new Zelda game, and the new Retro game, the Retro game will probably be a new Metroid game. Both will look gorgeous. That is if Retro isn't making Zelda, in which case Nintendo will not have anything for the show. a 3d mario will be absent until the next year, but only in video form.
The next year Nintendo will release a bunch of games I don't care about a long with a new Zelda or a new Zelda and Metroid. There will be 3 good 3rd party games and that will be it. Despite this Wii U will have good sales, better than gamecube, but not quite as good as Wiis were.
The next year Nintendo will take a franchise from the other systems, but it will be one nobody cares about at this point, and likely an updated port of the original title. Right before its release, a much more promising sequel will be announced and everyone will want it. Further more it will be revealed that the game we were waiting for wont remain exclusive for long.
The next e3 the new mario game will be announced, with mixed enthusiasm. It will be reviewed well by critics, but g4tv will be totally against it.
eternal darkness and shenmue 3 will be announced for the IwiiU, but cancelled 2 months later.
Nintendo might buy Sega.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Caterkiller on November 22, 2012, 04:14:13 AM
^ Suddenly I have memories of days long past! The nastalgia leaves a sharp pain in my stomach.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Ymeegod on November 22, 2012, 08:41:19 AM
I really don't see Nintendo WII U hitting the market share of the WII (100+ million), I'll be surprised to see it past 50+ million. I'm guessing that once the newer consoles hit the market the WII U will start losing 3rd party support which will start showing during it's 4th-5th year (2016-17). If I was nintendo I would have another system (one that's on par/better than then Xbox720/PS4) ready to go by then end of 2016-17. I really don't see the WII U having an 7-8 year cycle lifespan.
Sales figures for the WII U: For the USA--25 million Europe--15 million Japan--10 million
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 22, 2012, 09:57:57 AM
1- 2 Market Share: I see this dropping significantly from the Wii numbers. It will not have the energy or buzz. However, I believe the players that buy it will be more dedicated to the system, and actually use the system. I see it doing better than Gamecube, but less than Wii...maybe somewhere around Nintendo 64 numbers. I believe this next generation will be a Microsoft generation. MS will rise and Nintendo will take middle ground and Sony will fall.
3- 3rd party exclusives will actually be quite few. I feel Ubisoft will continue its ZombieU franchise for a sequel, and Rabbid games will continue to be exclusive...but I see very few really good games being exclusive this generation....for any console.
4- 5: Again this is together. I think gamers are going to appreciate the Wii U for Nintendo finally joining the "current generation." But that is how they will talk about Nintendo. It won't matter how cool Nintendo's Miiverse is...and in fact I believe some of these gamers will secretly love the features, but will say the competitions is better...whatever is done. And in fact, I will believe it actually will be better in many ways, however it will lack that Nintendo charm. This will lead to the gaming community saying Nintendo is not truly next generation and behind the times. And again they will partially be right, because I believe Sony and Microsoft will again jump a pretty large gap in gaming...they see gaming in the computer model...and if you don't have insane specs you won't be able to last the 6-8 years they want this generation to last. Will Nintendo's system be able to compete...yeah I think so. But, Nintendo will continue to be slammed for graphics this next generation, even if it isn't really noticeable.
6) Bonus Games I think will come out:
Final Fantasy will return to a Nintendo system.
F-Zero will be made with online play and a course editor that uses the touch screen.
A Mario game that experiments and changes the formula just as much as Galaxy did...and it will use the touch screen for actually controlling Mario some how.
Super Smash Bros U will have a great multiplayer experience, but the single player will suck balls and continue in the miss direction of Brawl....and it will be the main focus on the 3DS version even though it sucks...however, all will be forgiven when a few select 3rd party characters that people love are included in the game. Read: Mega Man and Simon Belmont
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 22, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
I predict that the Next Xbox and PS4 will be supe rpowered, but most of the games won't look that much better. PC gaming will continue its strong comeback and no next-gen console, including WiiU, will surpass 100 million.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: MrPhishfood on November 22, 2012, 01:36:32 PM
Ouya will surpass everything. They will have a monopoly on the home console market. This will be backed up by a partnership with Kool-Aid with a very catchy commercial. OOUUYEEAAAAH!
Kool-Aid will also flourish in parts of the world where it is still unknown and usurp Coca-Cola as the leading soft drink brand.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 22, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
I think the market share will be pretty high, and PS4/Xbox 720 will not hit anywhere near what PS3 and 360 have hit (and Wii U will not get anywhere near what they Wii got). Once the PS3 and 720 hit stores, a lot of people will own a Wii U, and the price will probably be lowered as well. At first I thought releasing the Wii U now maybe was a bad idea, but I think it will actually pay off for Nintendo. This first wave of third party games will jot sell spectacularly, mainly because they have mostly been out on other consoles for at least a couple of weeks...but the next wave will do better, and hopefully we'll get some exclusives (even if it means Nintendo needs to put down some money to do so).
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Ian Sane on November 22, 2012, 02:03:53 PM
The Wii was a once-in-a-lifetime product and the Wii U will never sell even close to the same amount of units. This isn't a knock on the Wii U, the Wii's success was just special and unique and none of the systems of this next gen will have the same kind of mainstream success.
I predict that the PS4 and Xbox 720 will have a significant hardware advantage and that deep down the Wii U hardware is really more comparable to the PS3 and 360. I really hope I'm wrong on that. The rumours about the Xbox 720 however, with it's weird SKU that does everything BUT games, don't sound promising. MS seems to want to make Xbox a general entertainment brand instead of a videogame brand and I think that will result in brand confusion. Even if the next systems lap the Wii U, they could still flop. I would argue that Nintendo was the only one of the big three that NEEDED to upgrade their console. Sony and MS really have no reason to, and the market might see it the same way. The Vita flopping huge also hurts my confidence in Sony. I realistically think that none of the big three really knows what they're doing right now and the victory may go to whoever is the least idiotic.
Videogames are mainstream but not in the way the big three THINK they are. The Wii was mainstream. Bullshit junk games on the iPhone are mainstream. That's it. Dedicated videogame systems are not how the mainstream wants to play games. I think there is a still a market for consoles with hardcore gamers but for the general mainstream, smart phones are what they want. The Wii connected with a crowd who merely wants a mindless distraction and that crowd has gone to Apple. The remaining console market is the old pre-Wii core market of nerds, teenagers and children. Any company thinking that their console is going to be the choice of the blue ocean is wasting their time.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Adrock on November 22, 2012, 03:33:33 PM
Market share/Units Sold Won't touch the Wii or PS2. It doesn't have to. At worst, you're looking at Gamecube sales. At worst. However, Nintendo doesn't have that 1 or 2 "WTF design choice" that Gamecube did. Starting with 8GB/32GB internal flash memory was almost one, but having a storage solution at launch helps tremendously. Voice chat is a mess right now though Nintendo can fix that. Wii U should sell much better than Gamecube did, more than N64 for that matter. Despite some growing pains, Wii U is a pretty solid console.
Without knowing what Sony and Microsoft have planned (though I have doubts they'll do anything drastic), it's hard to tell where Nintendo will be in market share. Launching 1st and having at least a year to rack up sales before the competition hits is the difference maker here. That affects everything else. Nintendo can live with getting PS3/360 ports for the time being because it's better than not getting them. By the time Orbis/Durango launch, Nintendo will have sold millions of units. Ignoring that many people (and counting) is leaving money on the table and I don't think 3rd parties will.
3rd party exclusives There just won't be many of these any more. Nintendo is going to score them in the same way they got Bayonetta 2, picking up projects by talented developers in danger of getting cancelled. Also, Nintendo should treat UbiSoft like their best friend. Nintendo gave them a major boost by making Rayman Legends the ONLY pre-launch store demo. Imagine ZombiU becoming a series and remaining exclusive. A sequel with Ubisoft Montpellier already familiar with the hardware could be huge. Additionally, if Sony and Microsoft don't follow Nintendo's lead in supporting indie developers, they'll likely get tons of eshop exclusives.
Perception among gamers Considering the GamePad is just a traditional controller with motion dodads and a large screen, Wii U already has more gamer cred than the Wii. Nintendo may want to experiment with Zelda, but it would benefit the Wii U greatly to get it out soon and build on the potential of that E3 demo. The art may not be as inventive as Skyward Sword, but damn, it was pretty. That could be the core game that convinces hold-outs that Nintendo themselves are serious about them.
Graphical capabilities years down the line I have my doubts that Sony or Microsoft will take on major losses on hardware. They will undoubtedly launch more powerful hardware, but Wii U won't be left too far behind. It has a modern feature set and should keep up with the competition for a few years due to scalability. Wii U will be getting 720P more often than 1080P. The important thing is that they'll still be getting most games for most of its life. I really don't think Nintendo is going to try to push Wii U past 5 years. The last big Wii U games from Nintendo and 3rd parties will likely be released in November 2016, maybe the 1st half of 2017. It's all about timing. Nintendo stuck with the Wii longer than they should have. Wii U is an HD console amidst other HD consoles. It should hold up better than the Wii.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Ian Sane on November 22, 2012, 04:53:10 PM
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Nintendo may want to experiment with Zelda, but it would benefit the Wii U greatly to get it out soon and build on the potential of that E3 demo. The art may not be as inventive as Skyward Sword, but damn, it was pretty. That could be the core game that convinces hold-outs that Nintendo themselves are serious about them.
That's a good idea. As superficial as it sounds I think it would be a good idea for Nintendo to release a game that looks REALLY nice. NSMB U looks okay but it doesn't push the graphics in any way where anyone thinks that the Wii U is impressive hardware. "Good enough" graphics usually don't create much buzz. But something really ambitious will not only make the hardware look impressive but also make Nintendo look like a serious developer instead of some casual company that just makes cookie cutter Mario games. Nintendo Land demonstrates the Gamepad but there isn't something that sells the real "guts" of the Wii U. Pushing the gimmick controller and de-emphasizing the hardware is not the way to get core gamers interested.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 22, 2012, 05:29:06 PM
The final Wii U hardware wasn't finished until the summer. As a result Nintendo Land and NSMB U never had a chance to truly push the system even if Nintendo wanted them to.
It's not going to be until E3 2013 when we see Smash Bros, 3D Mario and Retro's new game that we'll see what the system can really do since these will have had a change to be made on the final hardware and made by people that specialize in pushing the hardware like they did on the Wii. I'd hope Zelda will be shown but that will probably be more E3 2014.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 22, 2012, 06:19:22 PM
Something to remember in terms of power is that what developers are able to get out of hardware increases over time. Look at the early games on the 360 and then what it's doing now. The Wii U, at the very beginning, is already matching where the other consoles are after 6-7 years. It's only going to get better over time.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Ian Sane on November 22, 2012, 07:01:34 PM
Something to remember in terms of power is that what developers are able to get out of hardware increases over time. Look at the early games on the 360 and then what it's doing now. The Wii U, at the very beginning, is already matching where the other consoles are after 6-7 years. It's only going to get better over time.
So the Wii U launch games match current PS3 games? Would we consider that even remotely an accomplishment in the past? If Dreamcast launch games looked like later N64 games wouldn't that have been considered a total joke? Matching what we're getting now from other systems is the absolute bare minimum. Anything less would have been unacceptable. Remember this isn't some PS360 competitor. This is supposed to be the start of a new generation so it better be clearly distinct from the previous one. Now I remember the Xbox 360 launch and how underwhelming that was so, yeah, the visual jumps between generations aren't as noticable as they used to be. But right now the Wii U looks like Nintendo has finally caught up which is a pretty lame accomplishment. So Nintendo's finally adequate? Big deal. Core gamers expect this to be the start of the next generation and if Nintendo is just content to finally be a part of the PS360 generation well there goes any credibility with core gamers. They need something to state that this is more than just a PS3 with a tablet.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 22, 2012, 07:44:06 PM
What I'm saying is the Wii U at its worst is as good as the best you can possibly get from the 360 and PS3, which means it's a clear step up, even though it might not seem that way.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 22, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
So the Wii U launch games match current PS3 games? Would we consider that even remotely an accomplishment in the past? If Dreamcast launch games looked like later N64 games wouldn't that have been considered a total joke? Matching what we're getting now from other systems is the absolute bare minimum. Anything less would have been unacceptable. Remember this isn't some PS360 competitor. This is supposed to be the start of a new generation so it better be clearly distinct from the previous one. Now I remember the Xbox 360 launch and how underwhelming that was so, yeah, the visual jumps between generations aren't as noticable as they used to be. But right now the Wii U looks like Nintendo has finally caught up which is a pretty lame accomplishment. So Nintendo's finally adequate? Big deal. Core gamers expect this to be the start of the next generation and if Nintendo is just content to finally be a part of the PS360 generation well there goes any credibility with core gamers. They need something to state that this is more than just a PS3 with a tablet.
What part of final Wii U hardware being done months before launch don't you understand? NSMB U and Nintendo Land have been in development for several years and were probably over 90% done by the time the Wii U's final hardware was ready. Both games had to be created on much weaker hardware that lacked important things like RAM compared to what is in the system now. Hence why both games could never show off the systems true power unless Nintendo delayed them which would have killed the Wii U's launch.
Plus if the Wii Sports team could create Nintendo Land on weaker Wii U hardware and make it look like a modern 360/PS3 game, what do you think the 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, Retro, Monolith Soft and Sakurai games are going to look like when they're designed on more powerful Wii U hardware? Once again, E3 2013 will be when we finally get a good idea what the Wii U is truly capable off.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 22, 2012, 10:39:28 PM
Dreamcast to N64 and Wii U to PS3 is not a fair comparison by any means, or trying to draw a relation doesn't hold any weight these days. A better (but still not quite there) comparison would be Wii to PS2. The first Wii games looked about as good as a top-notch PS2 game (say Twilight Princess to Okami or ICO), and then the Wii eventually got some much better looking games like Mario Galaxy 2.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Shaymin on November 22, 2012, 11:08:10 PM
1 - Market share 2 - Units sold 3 - 3rd party exclusives 4 - Perception among gamers 5 - Graphical capabilities years down the line.
1. The only thing stopping it in Japan is the 3DS, and the fact you can't take it on the train. Europe... not sure of, but I suspect having the best version of FIFA for several years will help there. North America will probably split three ways next time 'round, but it'll eventually come out on top by having a 2 year head start on both the Xbox 420 and the PS4.
2. Probably around Super Nintendo levels worldwide, split 35/30/25 NA/EU/JP.
3. Western companies won't get in on this unless ZombiiU moves massive units. Japan? Well, since they'll be the defacto console once the PS3 dies out, there'll be a lot of quirkier fare from the East that the onus will be on NOE to localise for us.
4. The members of your prominent internet message board of choice will hate it (look up "WiiU RAM" on NeoGAF and prepare to facepalm). However, the larger majority will be satisfied with the purchase when it comes time for the Next Nintendo Console (tm).
5. It'll be defined by a lot of retro art styles, but the gulf between end of life WiiU and mid-life 420/PS4 won't be as dramatic as the gulf between end-of-life Wii and, say, a $800 gaming PC. Most of that will be explainable by the fact that the WiiU hit in 2012 and the other systems in 2014.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 22, 2012, 11:19:27 PM
Are the next systems hitting in 2014? I have a feeling Microsoft will definitely be November 2013...and Sony, well I could see them waiting through 2013...but not all year 2014.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 22, 2012, 11:19:38 PM
Ian you used a very poor example, because you used a very large generation gap system.
However, the Xbox 360 didn't have games that greatly looked better than the best last generation Xbox games...except that they were in HD. And in fact, some Xbox 360 games did not look better than Wii games if you down scaled them to a lower resolution.
The point many people are making is that we are hitting a plateau in graphics...not in what is possible, but what is feasible and affordable. So, if the Nintendo Wii U is already at a level of PS3 and 360 games without knowledge of optimization, that comes with experience later on, then future games will only look even better. Also, there isn't a single launch game that is known for being a graphics pusher at this launch...Nintendo does always push the limits, but instead makes games that function for what they are trying to do.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ThePerm on November 23, 2012, 01:14:11 AM
Ian is right, but fails to make a more important point. Wii U only matching the ps3's graphics isn't really an accomplishment, but only a sign of the times. Chances are when ps4 comes out it will only match what retro is doing. The graphics era is hitting the wall. I'll do my more positive version of the future entitled "the backlash"
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: alegoicoe on November 23, 2012, 02:46:06 AM
^apart from hitting the wall, graphics are becoming increasingly overrated, dont get me wrong i like nice graphics, zelda would be a great example of a game that can showcase nice graphics for wii u, but like you said, graphics after this generation are not going to go to far ahead.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 23, 2012, 04:15:51 AM
There's also the money factor. Even if the 720/PS4 do offer a bigger leap in hardware power, in order for studio's to really achieve noticeably better graphics, it'll require larger teams and bigger budgets. People have to remember the best looking games on systems are usually the ones with the biggest budgets. Well large budgets are already the number one reason for so many studio's shutting down this last gen and other losing big because the giant jump 360/PS3 development required.
This is another reason I don't really fear the Wii U not being able to get 720/PS4 ports because even if their hardware is way more powerful, how many studio's will be able to afford the price it'll take to show it? Spend on average 20-30 million to make games that look slightly better on the 720/PS4 but can still be ported to the Wii U, or 50-60 million to make games that are much better looking but can't be ported? How many studio's will be able to afford the second option all next gen?
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ThePerm on November 23, 2012, 04:37:46 AM
Now "The Backlash" prediction, which could have positive benefits for Nintendo.
One of the things that has been a problem with game design has been that it takes 30+ people to design a game. This can be good however...a computer can design a better game through algoriths.
Thats not to say humans won't be around tweaking what the computer outputs. Having played minecraft the first week or so was just me tunneling. When I first started playing I had no idea the entire world was randomly generated. I was amazed traveling through all the tunnels and caves, and in a way building my own world. So, this taught me 2 innovations. 1 it will be easier to build levels 2 most of the work could be done by computer. There are several ways to make a game, usually you build a level in some 3d suite and then import it into an editr, or you build it in an editor like world craft. I've done all of this, but level design in minecraft is quite revolutionary. Its much easier(to some extant), if you were to combine this with all of the power of a 3d suite you could build levels pretty fast. Actually building stuff in the unreal 4 suite looks pretty streamlined and simple. Which brings me to the future of making games. Games will be made faster and with more polish than ever before.
so how will this benefit the wii u? Indy developers will make lots of games for wii u ware. Indy developers will actually make lots of games on the other systems as well. However, maybe Indy developers will snub the other systems. If I were a devloper I totally would. Why? is it my loyalty? No, i'm just tired of hearing "Nintendo is kiddy" bullshit. Its the unchanging annoyingly static thing that never changes despite Perfect Dark, Killer Instinct, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Eternal Darkness, exclusive resident evil games, getting metal gear, getting silent hill, having most wii u launch games be mature rated games, the wii version of manhunt 2. I here devlopers say this and it makes me sick. It makes no sense. Its a self fulfilling prophesy. The truth is any console is a canvas, and if you paint it, you paint it how you want it. If you build it, they will come. Which means if you actually put some effort into something in this case maybe it will sell. I hear this almost timely excuse from developers saying their game didnt sell. Maybe because it was a 2 year old port? maybe because it was a mediocre effort? maybe because you didn't market it right? Basically what i'm annoyed by is the propagation of the idea. I would seek to end it. You reap what you sow, your attitude plays a role in determining results. If I was making a game though, I would probably market it better though. How? Forums, Magazines, website exclusives, steady screenshot and video updates. Basically, knowing how to generate hype. Not everyone knows how to do this.
this really is a rambling rant, but it has some ideas in it. I'm sure many know what im getting at.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: DarthKoopa on November 23, 2012, 08:46:39 AM
I predict an evolving set of features in Miiverse. In less than one year Nintendo will allow for user created communities. Miiverse will continue to be the killer app of the WII U. I also think a version of the Miiverse will come to the 3DS.
ALso our WII U s wii become self aware on Dec 21st and kill us all.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Ian Sane on November 23, 2012, 12:50:12 PM
I understand that launch titles might be made on in-progress hardware and I'm certainly excited to see what Retro or Monolith do. But I'm already paying attention here. The average person just sees these very unexceptional looking games.
Core gamers will be turned off if the Wii U is a generation behind. Nintendo hiding the specs and not demonstrating the hardware power in any way in their first batch of games does not establish the system as next gen. The natural assumption is that they're hiding the specs becaues the specs suck and the games look like PS3 games because they can't look better. I understand the real reasons but at first thought that's what it looks like. So something with some really impressive visuals would settle this issue, so it's important for Nintendo to bring such a game out ASAP. It should be showing up at E3.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ThePerm on November 23, 2012, 01:47:28 PM
Will they? will they even be able to tell the difference?
http://www.youtube.com/channel/SWTZ42xeSMzx0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQEOwEBvC-M&feature=showob these are high end(upcoming) games on ps3/xbox360
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvfn1p92_8 this is an unreal 4 demo
as you can see, the unreal engine game looks better, but not so much better that it matters. Games can look pretty darn good on ps3 or xbox 360 even, if a port happens the difference is it wont have as fancy of lighting. The Wii U is more powerful than the ps360 mainly because it has a graphics processor that is well outclassing those systems. So the best Wii U games should look better than the two examples shown.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: MysticGohan on November 23, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
I love you perm! You are right, In Nintendo we trust:p or something like that.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Sarail on November 23, 2012, 10:37:55 PM
3. Western companies won't get in on this unless ZombiiU moves massive units.
Shaymin, according to Miiverse and the game icons with surrounding Miis showing popularity, ZombiU has a very legitimate following. Granted, it's not as extreme as NSMBU and Nintendo Land, but it's definitely the biggest of any of the third-party games.
I hope sales are going well for the game. I hope to get it for Christmas.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: EasyCure on November 23, 2012, 11:12:38 PM
3. Western companies won't get in on this unless ZombiiU moves massive units.
Shaymin, according to Miiverse and the game icons with surrounding Miis showing popularity, ZombiU has a very legitimate following. Granted, it's not as extreme as NSMBU and Nintendo Land, but it's definitely the biggest of any of the third-party games.
I hope sales are going well for the game. I hope to get it for Christmas.
I wonder how closely the community numbers correlate to sales.. I feel bad when I see how tiny the Ninja Gaiden community is. I want to get it but I've never really played the series (outside of the NES games) so I don't know if I would be willing to spend the money, at least not at this time.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 23, 2012, 11:47:05 PM
The Ninja Gaiden series is really too hardcore for most gamers, even core gamers. I feel it may sell well, just because it is on a system and is a mature, core game at launch...surrounded by not much else.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Caterkiller on November 24, 2012, 02:57:53 AM
I plan on getting Ninja Gaiden, but 4 games at launch really is too much.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: MorganPoe on November 24, 2012, 04:55:14 AM
really! that's pretty cool ideas. thanks folks.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: EasyCure on November 24, 2012, 09:36:33 AM
I plan on getting Ninja Gaiden, but 4 games at launch really is too much.
I have 6. Does that make me hardcore? Ugh...
I'm still wanting to pick up Zombi U, Ninja Gaiden 3: RE, ACIII, TTT2, and CoD:BO2. And this is after already getting FIFA '13, NSMBU, Nintendo Land, and Darksiders II. Holy goodness! >_<
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: EasyCure on November 24, 2012, 01:22:15 PM
Out of all the launch titles, the only others I would want would be Darksiders II and Ninja Gaiden 3. Darksiders because I've always hard the Zelda comparisons and I'd want to check it out myself, but I don't have the time for that kind of game at this time which is why I skipped it for the time being. Ninja Gaiden 3 because I've heard it can be brutal and I want a game that can challenge me, I feel like I haven't played anything that has been hair-pulling difficult since Ikaruga.
But yeah, 6 launch games is a lot, by far the most I've ever purchased at a system's launch. It didn't help that TRU had a sale on Wii U games for black friday. If it weren't for that I may of waited until at least after Xmas - giving me plenty of time with Nintendo Land and Zombi U - to pick up another game, and it would of likely only been 1 or 2 games, not 4 on the same day :/
edit Ok so I was looking at a list of the launch games, and I own 6 of 28, and definitely want to check out at least 2 more of the first 28. Certain things like Scribblenauts and Tekken look appealing, but I'll likely never pick them up on my own unless they we're years into the Wii U's lifespan and they hit dirt cheap prices.
Out of the "launch window" titles I found listed, there are two that I really want (007: Legends and Pikmin 3) and two additional "maybe" titles Game & Wario (don't know much about it but I trust Nintendo to make good games) as well as Lego City Undercover (That trailer cracked me up, it looks like a fun sandbox game that I can play with some of my younger relatives).
In a perfect world where money and time weren't issues, and I could have all those games, that would be a total of 12 Wii U games I could own, only within the first 4 months of launch. I don't think I can consider myself a lapsed gamer anymore :/
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 24, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
Minor, but there were 26 launch games, not 28.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 24, 2012, 05:35:00 PM
The list I saw may have been old or included an eShop title or two, as some of the games listed I didn't recognize (and I don't follow the eShop very closely, so that is my assumption). Or I could of miscounted since I was trying to post quickly :p
Either way, the fact that I very well could own a total of 12 games within the first few months of the systems launch is saying something. Yes some of them might be ports but I missed out on those games as I didn't own any system besides the Wii, and they're still good games.
Looking at the Wii launch titles, there are a total of 6 games I owned but only 3 of them I got on Day 1, and 1 of those 3 was Wii Sports.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: EasyCure on November 26, 2012, 09:28:23 PM
Since I have no where to put this, and because I think having the Gamepad control the first person segments of Metroid Prime would've made the game AWESOME(!) I'm just gonna leave this here:
(http://i.imgur.com/ypIfl.jpg)
People always talk about having a steampunk Zelda, but this t-shirt design makes me want a steampunk Metroid, bad!
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Post by: TJ Spyke on November 26, 2012, 09:33:09 PM
God no, it clashes so much. I don't want that crap subgenre of sci fi anywhere near Metroid, Zelda (it would be so wrong for the Zelda franchise that it's not even funny), Mario, Pokemon, or anything else. MAYBE it could work with F-Zero.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 26, 2012, 09:52:12 PM
lol damn relax man, first of all I wasn't even serious nor do I fully understand what steampunk is. I just really like the design there.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 26, 2012, 10:00:20 PM
I kinda want to see a futuristic Zelda and a medieval Metroid
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Post by: Adrock on November 26, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
People always talk about having a steampunk Zelda, but this t-shirt design makes me want a steampunk Metroid, bad!
I wouldn't mind seeing more steampunk Metroid. I saw this a few months ago. It would make a neat-o what-if scenario. (http://i.imgur.com/wl3Wn.jpg)
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 27, 2012, 01:29:10 AM
Steampunk...only works when the machines and devices are plausible. A powersuit is not plausible with Steam punk technology...and so I don't like it.
And yes, I know the point of steampunk is to create impossible iventions that use the technology, but besides looking cool...usually those devices are plan stupid.
So, as much as I don't want to see it done...Steampunk can only be carried over to the Zelda franchise and work...and it could work quite well actually. Zelda has already visited the idea of more advanced technology in its series with UFOs, trains, and more. So why not steampunk?
Now, I don't want Zelda to go futuristic or anything, because that would be dumb. I can't take some of the final fantasy games seriously that have sword guns and such. In a world with guns and magic you really don't need swords and such. Just saying...
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Post by: Adrock on November 27, 2012, 02:11:10 AM
Steampunk...only works when the machines and devices are plausible. A powersuit is not plausible with Steam punk technology...and so I don't like it.
And yes, I know the point of steampunk is to create impossible iventions that use the technology, but besides looking cool...usually those devices are plan stupid.
So, as much as I don't want to see it done...Steampunk can only be carried over to the Zelda franchise and work...and it could work quite well actually. Zelda has already visited the idea of more advanced technology in its series with UFOs, trains, and more. So why not steampunk?
Now, I don't want Zelda to go futuristic or anything, because that would be dumb. I can't take some of the final fantasy games seriously that have sword guns and such. In a world with guns and magic you really don't need swords and such. Just saying...
Star Wars
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 27, 2012, 07:54:17 AM
Star Wars didn't use swords are much as light sabers...which were different, because they could do things guns could not...but even in the Star Wars universe, only those that had excellent control of the force used Light Sabers effectively...others still used guns.
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Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2012, 12:06:56 PM
Zelda already has Steam Punk in it. Its the natural evolution for the land they have already indicated that.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 27, 2012, 12:27:25 PM
I think steampunk would allow for new gameplay possibilities for Zelda. But for Metroid it only seems like a graphic design change. What do you really gain in steampunk Metroid? You still have a power suit and lasers and aliens and robots and spaceships only they look different. But that same sort of stuff applied to Zelda would really change things up.
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Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2012, 01:14:06 PM
If you're looking for more creativity in Zelda then simply changing the era it's in won't work. Though I think something along the lines of playing as multiple links through multiple eras in one game has the potential to be really fascinating especially when you consider the game pad.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Ceric on November 27, 2012, 01:18:48 PM
If you're looking for more creativity in Zelda then simply changing the era it's in won't work. Though I think something along the lines of playing as multiple links through multiple eras in one game has the potential to be really fascinating especially when you consider the game pad.
More Interesting idea even would be to play a background character that helps link through Zelda 1 - Skyward Sword.
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Post by: lolmonade on November 27, 2012, 01:46:06 PM
If you're looking for more creativity in Zelda then simply changing the era it's in won't work. Though I think something along the lines of playing as multiple links through multiple eras in one game has the potential to be really fascinating especially when you consider the game pad.
More Interesting idea even would be to play a background character that helps link through Zelda 1 - Skyward Sword.
The Legend of Zelda: Lon Lon Ranch Sims Adventure!
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ThePerm on November 27, 2012, 03:20:33 PM
Star Wars didn't use swords are much as light sabers...which were different, because they could do things guns could not...but even in the Star Wars universe, only those that had excellent control of the force used Light Sabers effectively...others still used guns.
Light Sabers are Techno Swords
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 27, 2012, 03:24:33 PM
I want a Cyberpunk Zelda. Epona is a hoverbike!
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Post by: ThePerm on November 27, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
Ganon is still Old School, but he has storm troopers
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Post by: ShyGuy on November 27, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
Storm Moblins!
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Post by: Sarail on November 27, 2012, 06:17:34 PM
They have 'til 2015 to get Epona floating on air...
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Post by: EasyCure on November 27, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
Well since I've derailed this thread enough, I might as well throw these out here:
Ever seen these Medieval MegaMan concepts? (http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/01/sir_mega_man.jpg)
I'm not saying I'd want to see a game like this but.. (http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Metal-Final-submission.jpg)
This is pretty awesome stuff (http://gallery1.anivide.com/_full/15083_1299019593.jpg)
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Post by: Sarail on November 27, 2012, 10:01:11 PM
The first one really looks like a Fire Emblem character with a blaster.
I approve. ;)
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 28, 2012, 01:08:15 AM
These games will announced for the Wii U next year:
Metal Gear Rising: Reveangeance
Tomb Raider
GTA 5
Resident Evil 6 Wii U Edition
Resident Evil Revelations HD
Dead Space 3
Crysis 3
Devil May Cry
Army of Two: The Devil's Cartel
Dragon's Age 3
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2
Final Fantasy XIII-3
Lost Planet 3
Anarchy Reigns
Third party developers, mostly EA, will announce they will ony put their games on the eShop rather than spend money on physical media.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ThePerm on November 28, 2012, 04:46:56 AM
If Samas wore green, i would say that metroid is already future Zelda
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Post by: Uncle_Optimus on November 29, 2012, 04:49:56 AM
These are fun.
- Market share: Far greater than the 'Cube, far less than the Wii. I am most curious if Sony or MS will adopt the second screen idea (Smartglass is something quite different, a companion but not a centre-piece for a game). I doubt it. Their systems have to be significantly higher spec than Wii U while maintaining a conservative pricepoint. Even taking their extreme loss leader strategy of the last two product cycles into account, I can't see how they could afford to offer such a controller along with the spec upgrade, even if their systems launch at a premium above Wii U.
I think Wii U will do gangbusters in Japan...enduring brand power, a market veering strongly in the direction of portable and mobile platforms, the enticement of off-screen play in cramped households and the cagey offering of Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest and Pokemon offerings along with a continued slate of lifestyle non-games. Wii U seems especially well suited for Japan. In the US, I have no idea. I want to say it will find its family-friendly, household niche... but the product, judging from advertising and resulting lack of awareness, is truly confusing. There are more options for eyeballs now than 5 years ago, and competition from nascent competitors (not to mention Steam and its ilk on the PC!) will probably intensify in the near future.
- 3rd party exclusives: Japanese support should be fine. Given Nintendo's particularly strong relationships there and their relative position of strength (ie financial solvency) and the Wii U's robust hardware and digital platform, Ninty can likely secure some very nice software. But yeah, the West. EA seems unenthused and are relentlessly investing in mobile and digital delivery, Take Two doesn't anticipate the market for their games, Activision doesn't do exclusives (do any of them, these days?) ...the relationship with Ubi is a high point though. This may very well be why Nintendo is so seriously courting indies now. With indies given their limited resources, they would be more likely to get, if not an actual platform exclusive, a "first platform" status.
- Perception among gamers: Despite not being so bullish on their market impact, from a game library and experience standpoint, I actually think the system will serve "core" gamers very well (better than the 64, the 'Cube or the Wii!). Standard control options, a unique hook in the second screen that will serve some games and certain customers very well, adequate hardware, a promising digital platform and most importantly, an aggressive Nintendo looking to defend their turf and prolong their way of doing business while also exploring some new avenues.
- Graphical capabilities years down the line: Competing consoles will trump it, as will tablets in a couple of years (!?) It is already given that the booming PC market will remain the cutting edge. I don't really care about that, I do most of my play on the DS and the iPhone these days, but I imagine a lot of people do. I expect the graphics will remain good enough over the next 4 years for the vast majority of users however.
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Post by: Uncle_Optimus on November 29, 2012, 04:55:41 AM
Ohhhh, almost forgot this. Gamepad becomes the Streampad. I smell E3 2013 bombshell ;)
From a polygon article http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad (http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/16/3653294/wii-u-range-test-gamepad): ...The tech would even theoretically support extending the GamePad's use well outside the house, say to a local Starbucks, through Wi-Fi.
"Currently the Wi-Fi connection is peer-to-peer-based and using the GamePad outside the home would require a networked connection to the console; this is something that is a possibility for the future but is not in place today," Bekis said.
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Post by: Oblivion on November 29, 2012, 03:07:10 PM
That bullshit. I barely step a foot outside my room before the Pad starts lagging.
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Post by: MrPhishfood on November 29, 2012, 03:52:49 PM
Okay here's my actual for reals prediction. I'm not even joking.
Sony and Microsoft's online network and OS interface will eventually mimic Miiverse.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: ThePerm on November 29, 2012, 03:58:38 PM
outside your room? What are your walls made out of?
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: Oblivion on November 29, 2012, 04:09:03 PM
My house is extremely small. My walls are very thin and made of wood. I sit on my tiolet (which is RIGHT next to my room) and it lags like crazy unless I hold the GamePad still. Is my Pad defective or something?
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Post by: Caterkiller on November 29, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
My pad doesn't go far either. I wonder if its because of all the wireless nonsense all over the place in my complex.
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Post by: EasyCure on November 29, 2012, 10:48:45 PM
I live in a relatively small complex (in NY anyway) and I know there's a ton of wi-fi connections and god knows what else, but my gamepad works fine from my bedroom to the living room, which has a bathroom in between them.
I was only using miiverse though so who knows..
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Post by: azeke on November 29, 2012, 10:50:21 PM
My house is extremely small. My walls are very thin and made of wood. I sit on my tiolet (which is RIGHT next to my room) and it lags like crazy unless I hold the GamePad still. Is my Pad defective or something?
You should crush the walls or your bathroom.
Title: Re: Wii U Future Predictions!
Post by: EasyCure on November 29, 2012, 10:51:09 PM
My house is extremely small. My walls are very thin and made of wood. I sit on my tiolet (which is RIGHT next to my room) and it lags like crazy unless I hold the GamePad still. Is my Pad defective or something?
You should crush the walls or your bathroom.
With a name like Oblivion, it should be no problem.
