Post by: Crimm on November 08, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
This time it will take a real man to give real gamers what they want.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/blog/32433
Despite it not being out yet—Nintendo has, in fact, said little about it—it does seem fair to start online message board rants about the next Super Smash Bros game. Self-proclaimed "competitive gamers" have already started doing so, lamenting that it will most likely be exceedingly casual, based entirely on the loss of the ability to move about like Peter Pan using fairy dust in the transition from Melee to Brawl.
With that in mind, I have a plan to save the franchise, and in fact Nintendo itself. Nintendo has neglected adding characters from Mario’s "Paper" adventures, and the one they add should be a villain. No, not Bleck. Smash Bros needs an enemy at a different level, a character that best identifies with those who love the series as it should be.
Super Smash Bros. needs Francis.
Challenger Approaching!
Francis is a man… well, chameleon, they can identify with. I assume he only owns one shirt— a collectible he got with Club Nintendo points. He wears thick glasses. He tends to hide when a hot babe shows up in his room. He understands the hi-technical nature of not just making a game, but of the combat system these fans demand be added to this fighting experience.
Francis would not stand for the removal of wavedashing, or L-canceling, and assuredly would not stand for the removal of reverse flip-stumping. He, like those who would identify with him, would instead modify the game code, much as was done by some for Brawl. At the very least he would ban the use of items, although he may save them for his collection. And lest you doubt his talents, remember he created the always-titillating MeowMaids, combining the two best assets of a woman: feline features and domestic servant attire.
So, what would Francis do? Obviously he could turn invisible. His long tongue is a devastating weapon, and certainly he could swallow his enemies, much like Kirby. Perhaps his most powerful attacks will come from his laptop, which he stores in his very stylish fanny pack. His Nerrr2Babe.exe interface will woo any female characters via a very stylish dating sim. Yes, the game will have to pause briefly, but you can’t rush romance. If you’re a dude, though, you’re probably just getting a Meowbomb to the head.
I assume that says "Oh Francis, you're so suave."
Don’t worry about ol’ Francis taking a beating, though. I know for a fact he likes it.
What would his stage be? Well, it can’t be his room: he enjoys his privacy. The only people allowed in are he and the aforementioned babes. Certainly it is a condition we can all identify with.
Who am I kidding; it's going to be Final Destination.
This is why Nintendo needs to add Francis. He could be a hero to their most hardcore fans.
Post by: RPG_FAN128 on November 08, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
Back to the subject, I don't understand people's fixation with Melee. I like Brawl better and was surprised by the amount of the masses who say it stinks by comparison to Melee. But hey, we all have an opinion eh? I enjoyed playing Brawl and anxiously look forward to playing the upcoming installment. That's all. It's my opinion and everyone else can have theirs. ;D
Post by: red14 on November 08, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
Post by: quote05 on November 08, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
Post by: Ceric on November 09, 2012, 12:01:57 PM
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What would his stage be? Well, it can’t be his room: he enjoys his privacy. The only people allowed in are he and the aforementioned babes. Certainly it is a condition we can all identify with.Course it would be but you could only play as Francis and Babes.
Post by: Glad0s on November 09, 2012, 02:47:19 PM
Post by: Crimm on November 09, 2012, 08:45:14 PM
Ohhhhh, those Smash World Forums...
You casuals.
I can understand the statements regarding l-canceling and wave dashing, as they were unitentional moves from the developers. But don't group in the option of turning off items in the same league. One of the great things about smash is the level of customization towards the matches. I always hear how people complain about the blue shell in Mario kart, and that falls in line with the choice of turning items on or off in smash in my opinions.
I don't mind turning off items sometimes, but they're part of the game. Insisting they be off all the time is lame.
Post by: MegaByte on November 09, 2012, 08:51:13 PM
I always hear how people complain about the blue shell in Mario kart, and that falls in line with the choice of turning items on or off in smash in my opinions.That would be a valid comparison for one particular item (say, Smash Balls), not the entire set.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 10, 2012, 02:58:52 AM
Just don't, guys. Just, no
Post by: KDR_11k on November 10, 2012, 03:33:17 AM
Lighter, faster characters benefit a lot from having throwable items available, no items changes the game balance. Also the items aren't nearly as OP as, say, CoD killstreaks.
Hilarious! I love the absolutely appropriate screen shot of "complaining about games never played." Everyone I know in real life who hates Majora's Mask has never completed it, and in most cases never spent more than an hour with it because "they couldn't get into it." Everyone has their opinion of course, but it is really fair to judge a game that one has never completed? (Or at least played MOST of the game)
Er, you know, it's kinda unpleasant to complete a game you hate, especially if it's a long one.
Post by: pandaradox on November 12, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 12, 2012, 06:51:15 PM
More often than not, the ones who complained about Brawl's evolution of the series were the ones who heavily relied on the exploits of wavedashing and the like. Sure, I appreciated them as well, but it was out of necessity much like nuclear weapons protect from nuclear weapons. It was a glitch arms race that you either had to join in or get left in the dust. The problem arose when those who identified skill with these glitches were suddenly ripped from the teat. Instead of acknowledging that those bugs were fixed, they just complained. For someone who's put in over a few weeks' time in game matches, I can definitely say that Brawl is better and what the series needed. It's easy to lose sight of the beauty in the game when you play competitively. Every exploit is money in your pocket. If you're complaining about Brawl, then you're probably someone who didn't know how to play without these. By removing those tactics, they forced people back into an uncomfortable zone where the game thrives: Poetry in Chaos. But that makes the game much more organic than most fighters. That's why I love the game.[citation needed]
Wavedashing tech has nothing to do with why Brawl is the weakest of the series. Character balance and terrible design decisions like random slips do, though! Kill all casuals.
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 12, 2012, 07:18:16 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 12, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
Brawl is not the weakest, by any stretch of the imagination. And its really just a small niche of douches (the kind who study frame by frame) who complain about character balance. Especially when they try and claim Meta Knight (who is not that good) is over-powered. Random slips are annoying, but very rare (in over 500 hours of playing, I have slipped less than 10 times). Those same people are indeed the once bitching about glitches being removed since they loved exploiting those glitches.
I don't know how to respond to a post so crazy and wrong, but I'm definitely quoting it before you can edit it!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 12, 2012, 08:59:48 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 12, 2012, 09:22:48 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on November 12, 2012, 10:49:06 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 12, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 12, 2012, 11:28:05 PM
3 trips in ~100 movements. Surely it will happen only 10 times in 500 hours, at least in reality-denying badposter land!
Post by: ShyGuy on November 12, 2012, 11:55:24 PM
How many times did he have to shoot that to get three times in his desired time period?
Did he sink into a deep depression afterwards when he realized he was wasting his life?
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 12, 2012, 11:59:18 PM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 13, 2012, 12:15:26 AM
SUPER, your "evidence" was little more than unsourced stats of how often characters were used (i.e. popularity only).
Evidence, you say, Mr Magic McNeverslips? :smug:
How do feel about Metaknight's consistent tournament domination?
Post by: Oblivion on November 13, 2012, 01:12:42 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 13, 2012, 02:04:13 AM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 13, 2012, 04:00:53 AM
He's banned, so he actually doesn't dominate. Stop acting like a fucking asshole. You aren't the end all master of fighting games, bro.I heard the Unity league/ruleset disbanded, and now the Brawl tournament scene is a lawless wasteland, potentially devoid of life. Metaknight is the best -- it is a matter of public record.
Furthermore, I'm not the asshole for calling TJ on made up BS. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to :smug: deal with it. :smug:
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 13, 2012, 10:39:40 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 13, 2012, 10:50:17 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 13, 2012, 10:52:39 AM
Seamus was my favorite in the first two games, in Melee alone I clocked several hundred hours with her. So I hated that they nerfed her in Brawl.
Groundskeeper Willie's enemy Seamus was a character in Smash Bros.? How do I unlock him?
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 13, 2012, 10:55:31 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 13, 2012, 04:47:31 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 13, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
Of course there are balancing problems in a game with dozens of characters and no patches. Bigger issue with Brawl was having all the unlockables tied to Subspace Emissary mode which was total garbage. Oh, wait, I didn't finish Subspace Emissary so I'm not allowed to criticize it just in case the jumping physics stop being **** about 20 levels in!
You do realize all the unlockable characters, and most CD's and stickers that are in the Subspace Emissary can be gotten in multiplayer as well? Yes, the Subspace Emissary is a quicker way to get them but if you didn't finish the mode because you hated it, your not missing much that can't be unlocked else were in the game.
That's been one of the nice things about Smash Bros with Melee and Brawl. If people have problems with the single player, they can still play just the multiplayer and unlock all the characters and stages, as well as most trophies, stickers and CD's as well.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 13, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
It is not public record Metaknight is the best, it's the personal opinion of a small group of people.It's actually everyone but you. You can deny deny deny but you can't change reality. Who do you think is best anyway, if anyone?
Post by: Stogi on November 13, 2012, 06:25:22 PM
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 13, 2012, 06:37:08 PM
I'd be in favor of just having all the characters unlocked from the beginning, and leave stickers and whatever to unlocks.It is not public record Metaknight is the best, it's the personal opinion of a small group of people.It's actually everyone but you. You can deny deny deny but you can't change reality. Who do you think is best anyway, if anyone?
Please, you are embarrassing yourself at this point. Just because you are obsessed with fighting games doesn't make you the authority on them, nor do you speak for everyone. I am not changing reality, but stating that you are wrong. And some of these tier lists are jokes, Diddy Kong songs but I have seen some tier lists put him near the top. I have never met someone who was good with him and I can easily beat him with anyone. I can do well with almost anyone, and when facing someone of equal or lesser skill my experience shows that it doesn't matter. I am pretty good with Marth though.
Post by: Mop it up on November 13, 2012, 06:54:03 PM
Post by: Adrock on November 13, 2012, 09:10:56 PM
Why can't we enjoy the satire of this wonderful piece without arguing about SSBBrawl? Or are we trying to be ironic?Welcome to NWR, miss. Is this your first time here? Some of our members come with a sense of humor. Others ruin threads with their lack of one. Would you like to hear about our specials or do you need a minute?
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on November 13, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
Why can't we enjoy the satire of this wonderful piece without arguing about SSBBrawl? Or are we trying to be ironic?It's a funny article and I enjoyed it! I didn't open that can of worms and would like to take balance discussion elsewhere. Like the funhouse :faust:
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Please, you are embarrassing yourself at this point. Just because you are obsessed with fighting games doesn't make you the authority on them, nor do you speak for everyone. I am not changing reality, but stating that you are wrong. And some of these tier lists are jokes, Diddy Kong songs but I have seen some tier lists put him near the top. I have never met someone who was good with him and I can easily beat him with anyone. I can do well with almost anyone, and when facing someone of equal or lesser skill my experience shows that it doesn't matter. I am pretty good with Marth though.It doesn't matter how good I am, my points stand on their own. Tier lists are amalgamated from tournament results and input from expert players, and are under constant scrutiny. They're easy to prove wrong, if you enter tournaments and wreck everyone with a "bad" character. I doubt it will happen though, since you can't seem to grasp what makes good characters good or even how basic mechanics like slips work. I urge you to post a balance thread somewhere so we can bury this can of worms elsewhere.
Post by: pandaradox on November 14, 2012, 01:07:01 PM
[citation needed]
Wavedashing tech has nothing to do with why Brawl is the weakest of the series. Character balance and terrible design decisions like random slips do, though! Kill all casuals.
I only have a notebook sheet that my friend logged all of our time before resetting the memory card... and that was in the middle of the school year in 2006 with me over a week's time in. I could have it notorized :)
All the games have balancing. That's just the nature of a dynamic character roster. It's infinitely regressive to ask for balance because the ideal balance would be all the characters were exactly the same. Melee had much more balancing issues because of the exploits. Those were fixed in Brawl. In exchange, we have to endure prat falling (which is annoying, yes, but a danger we all deal with). I love Melee and Brawl wholeheartedly, but it's troubling that Melee players can't let go of Melee. This is because of general comfort zones and not wanting to adapt to a new style. If you try to play Brawl like you play Melee, you're going to be disappointed. It is a beautiful game that changes the focus to a more aerial and economic take on your tactics. The tier lists can change more because of it because the game demands creativity. Just a new way doesn't make it wrong or worse.
Either way, trying to make Smash like other fighters is a trap. It's not a fighter, it's smash. I do think third parties need more rep too. I'd love to see Megaman from the battle network series show.
Post by: EasyCure on November 14, 2012, 08:36:59 PM
