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Title: No more GC exclusives from Sega due to poor sales...
Post by: Mario on May 27, 2003, 02:28:16 AM
An article posted on Cube-Europe suggests that there will be no more GC exclusives from Sega after Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg is released. And also, no Sonic Adventure 3.
Title: No more GC exclusives from Sega due to poor sales...
Post by: Christberg on May 27, 2003, 02:56:04 AM
I suggest you go to www.eurogamer.net and read the whole interview this is taken from. This is most likely a mistranslation and regardless, it's pulled out of context. Yuji Naka <3's GC.
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Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 27, 2003, 02:56:51 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmm....I don't know how reliable this source is? After all, it's Cube-Europe.
EDIT: just read the Eurogamer interview.
Anyway, someone still needs to get a giant paddle, and whack some sense into SEGA!
*whack* SEGA: Ahhh, we can think clearly now! Let's give Xbox more exclusive games! *whack*
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Post by: joshnickerson on May 27, 2003, 03:30:37 AM
I find that very hard to believe, since their bestselling games are the ones that have been featured on the Cube (Sonic Adv. 2, Super Monkey Ball) and Sonic Team and AV have both stated they prefer the Cube platform to work on.
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Post by: egman on May 27, 2003, 05:04:44 AM
I feel like this is a mistranslation as well. Even if the PS2 has had more sales unit wise, the GC has been very PROFITABLE for Sega since we have mainly recieved Dreamcast/Naomi ports that take up few resources, as opposed to something like Panzer Dragoon Orta which has sadly been ignored. That probably hurt Sega real hard since it was a big budget game that was essentially built from the ground up for the X-box.
I'm interested to see how Sonic Heroes will do on the other systems. Don't quote me on this, but I truly think Sega will be the happiest with the GC sales on that title. A multiplatform strategy can't be applied to everything, just as exclusives that are not placed in a strategic manner can also hurt you. I don't know why it is taking so long for Sega to figure this out.
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Post by: RickPowers on May 27, 2003, 06:31:51 AM
It's not Sega as a whole. It's probably just Sonic Team. AV is firmly in our court.
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Post by: Arbok on May 27, 2003, 06:49:07 AM
Quote Originally posted by: RickPowers It's not Sega as a whole. It's probably just Sonic Team. AV is firmly in our court.
But what game of Sonic Team's "tanked" on the GCN?
Did Phantasy Star Online do horrible or something? Or are they refering to the Sports games still, which weren't done by the Sonic Team?
Either way Sega has the most backwards logic I have ever seen... -_-
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2003, 07:21:36 AM
You know if you really think of it Sonic Team hasn't given us ANY exclusive games thus far. All of their Cube titles are Dreamcast ports. Billy Hatcher will be the first true exclusive title.
Where in the Eurogamer interview does it say no more GC exclusives. Naka just said "We think multi-platform is the way to go." in response to a question regarding exclusive PS2 or Xbox games. That doesn't necessarily mean no more exclusive Cube titles. He probably means that any PS2 or Xbox Sonic Team titles will be multiplatform.
This no Sonic Adventure 3 stuff is pretty dumb. Sonic Heroes essentially is SA3. Complaining about no SA3 is as dumb as complaining about no Super Mario Bros 4.
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Post by: Perfect Cell on May 27, 2003, 08:17:48 AM
Sega just loves cold hard $$$.... Gunvalkarie.... Jet Set Radio future... Sega GT 200.... Cracy Taxi 3... all big time X-Box exclusives and none of them sold well enough to make money.... The best selling games for Sega in 02 were Super Monkey Ball, Sonic Adventure 2 Batle and VF4. But again Microsoft has the $$$ so Sega just blames us instead.. Of course the Bundle deal actually did sell well, Sega just didnt get a huge bulk of those profits either
ill be genuinely disapointed if Sega doesnt give us exclusives. I was looking forward for an exclusive Nights sequel or at least Skies of Arcadia 2.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 27, 2003, 09:11:20 AM
i loved dreamcast...but apparently it doesn't count. Thats why dc games like evolution and sonic can be exclusive.
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Post by: Michael8983 on May 27, 2003, 11:03:10 AM
It's got to be a mistranslation. It was probably intended to just refer to the sports titles and not all games in general. Sega's best selling game since going multi-platform is Gamecube exclusive afterall. Sure, a few of Sega's Gamecubes titles have under-performed but, as as far as I know, ALL of its XBox titles have. I could maybe see Sega stop giving exclusives to both the XBox and PS2 and start making all of its games multiplatform though. Actually, that would probably be the smart thing to do. But Sega tends to not do smart things.
BTW, isn't Cube-Europe the site that once reported Rare had gone third-party and was moving Starfox Adventures to the PS2?
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 27, 2003, 12:48:17 PM
Cube-Europe has been pretty unreliable as of late, so I'm inclined not to believe them. Besides, Sega's best selling 3rd party game so far was a Gamecube exclusive- their REAL poor selling exclusives have been on the XBox, and yet they give the XBox MORE games.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 27, 2003, 12:57:15 PM
Sega needs to be like George Costanza...if they start doing the opposite of of their instincts, what they think is good business they will suddenly be very successful.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 27, 2003, 12:59:14 PM
No more exclusives doesn't worry me one bit. As long as GC continues to get the games!
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Post by: Joey on May 27, 2003, 07:44:46 PM
Quote BTW, isn't Cube-Europe the site that once reported Rare had gone third-party and was moving Starfox Adventures to the PS2?
I don't recall if it was the PS2 or not but they did say that it was moving.
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 28, 2003, 03:44:29 AM
IT's like Capcom not pulling out some GC games and supporting PS2 and Xbox more, even though their best sales were on GC.
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Post by: Marcus Arillius on May 28, 2003, 06:39:57 AM
How can they blame gamecube for poor sales when they've given us games like Sonic Adventure Battle 2 which was a piece of crap. They should stop giving us ports and start making good games, well i'm mostly referring to the sonic series. they've really let me down with the junk they've been turning out.
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Post by: Army_F_body on May 28, 2003, 09:18:53 AM
Quote How can they blame gamecube for poor sales when they've given us games like Sonic Adventure Battle 2 which was a piece of crap. They should stop giving us ports and start making good games...
Thank you!! I'm glad someone finally said it.
Not just the Sonic Adveneture series but most 3rd party GC ports are pure crap. Developers whine about poor GC sales and pull GC support becuase of declining sales. GC owners are not buying 3rd party GC games because they tend to be crap. I was looking forward to the GC port of Sonic Adventure, but if Sega is not going to address the poor camera issues that plagued the DC version, then why bother. Those problems were acceptable back when I had a DC, due primarily to the fact that it was a 1st gen DC title. However, here we are nearly in the middle of a more advanced systems life span and Sega still expects us to run out and buy this stuff. I paid $19.99 for the DC Sonic Adventure. To pay $39.99 for it again is an outrage if nothing is to be changed.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, they added all the Game Gear Sonic games to it. Let me run out pay WAY TOO MUCH for this game!
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 28, 2003, 12:22:30 PM
"How can they blame gamecube for poor sales when they've given us games like Sonic Adventure Battle 2 which was a piece of crap. They should stop giving us ports and start making good games..."
Of course SA2B was crap- your opinion must ring true for all of us, regardless of what we actually thought about the game. Besides, SA2B is Sega's bestselling game as a 3rd party yet, so it's not too smart to use it as an example.
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Post by: Ninja X on May 28, 2003, 12:51:27 PM
Whether or not a game's crap does not really matter when it comes to sales. Crap tends to sell on the PS2. I guess the same is expected with the GCN.
Not to mention the game isn't utter crap. In fact, it was not that bad considering in my opinion. More titles exist in the GCN's library that are clearly much worse than Sonic Adventure 2.
Titles like Superman 64 should bomb. But SA2 was nowhere near Superman's level. Plus, SA2 did decent on the GCN.
Lastly, do you really trust the word of Cube-Europe?
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Post by: Marcus Arillius on May 29, 2003, 12:15:54 PM
Quote Originally posted by: mouse_clicker "How can they blame gamecube for poor sales when they've given us games like Sonic Adventure Battle 2 which was a piece of crap. They should stop giving us ports and start making good games..."
Of course SA2B was crap- your opinion must ring true for all of us, regardless of what we actually thought about the game. Besides, SA2B is Sega's bestselling game as a 3rd party yet, so it's not too smart to use it as an example.
Yeah it may have been their best-selling game but that's because it was their first sonic game for gamecube so for all of us nostalgists out there, we wanted it, also we had no warning, we didn't know how much it would suck. However, I thought it would have been better than it was. And they still aren't planning on making a "new" sonic game, just crappy ports. Crap does seem to sell well on the PS2, I don't know why. Since I'm poor I have to be selective with what I buy, and I can guarantee that from my experience with SA2B, I probaly won't buy another sonic game for the cube anytime soon especially since they're all ports, and I'm sure most people feel the same.
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Post by: highenergyboy on May 29, 2003, 01:20:40 PM
Someone in a similar thread at the Nintendojo forums pointed out this statement was derived from an editorial, therefore it's credibility is put into question. I did not believe it to begin with because there are many contradictions. If there are no more exclusives for the Gamecube due to poor sales then tell me, what are Virtual Fighter Quest and F-Zero GX? F-Zero may be a Nintendo franchise, but it is still being made by Sega and is definitely exclusive. Virtual Figher Quest, when it was first announced was only confirmed to be in development for the Gamecube. No recent articles or rumors so far have suggested otherwise.
Furthermore, I recall reading an article when Triforce was first announced and it stated that Sega would be supplying a number of titles for the hardware. More then a year has elapsed and the only ones that have been confirmed are F-Zero AC and a soccer game. I doubt a couple of games are all Sega had in mind when entering into the agreement so there are bound to be more. Also considering they would be built solely for the Triforce hardware this would make porting pretty much impossible thus pratically sealing their exclusivity.
I see too many holes in this claim and disregard it as nothing more then speculation or even rumor.
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Post by: mouse_clicker on May 29, 2003, 04:02:11 PM
"Yeah it may have been their best-selling game but that's because it was their first sonic game for gamecube so for all of us nostalgists out there, we wanted it, also we had no warning, we didn't know how much it would suck. However, I thought it would have been better than it was. And they still aren't planning on making a "new" sonic game, just crappy ports."
What the hell are you talking about? Sonic Adventure 2 was out for over a year on the Dreamcast, what do you mean you didn't have any warning? And yes they ARE making a new Sonic game- ever heard of Sonic Heroes?
And crappy ports is hardly the word to describe what we got- PORTS, yes, but if you thought the Genesis Sonics were crappy you're not really in a position to be telling other people which Sonic games are good and which aren't.
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Post by: Ninja X on May 30, 2003, 12:17:12 PM
If this was true, I seriously doubt the GCN would be getting Phantasy Star Online III. Yet, we are.
I think that this news has not been announced on any other site. If this news was true, we'd be seeing it on IGN or PGC as well as Cube-Europe.
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Post by: Dr Synthetic on June 07, 2003, 10:53:07 PM
Yeah, PSO Episode III is exclusive, too. It won't be ported to Xbox, at least that was the word as of E3.
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Post by: Mario on June 08, 2003, 01:03:36 AM
Sonic Mega Collection should have sold more than Sonic Adventure 2: Battle. They're both good games, but SMC is just one of the best games in my collection and i love it. Anyway, i hope we see more Fzero type things happening with sega, nintendo should work with sega more often.
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on June 09, 2003, 03:59:22 AM
Quote Crap does seem to sell well on the PS2, I don't know why.
Haven: CoK, didn't sell well on the PS2 and was cancelled by Midway for GCN and Xbox. Now another company is bringing it over.
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Post by: controllerport1 on June 13, 2003, 12:48:59 AM
crap sells well on PS2 because as my good friend josh puts it "The're mostly consumers, not gamers." Does it get hype? let's buy it! Is it on sale? let's buy it! Does it look like it has the faintest hope of being something-like cool? BUY! Let's face it, we play the gamecube because were demanding GAMERS. We expect too much from games because we're used to Nintendo's quality. Hell, give most of us a PS2 and we'll find creative uses for it, like a coffee table, or for batting practice.
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Post by: boggy b on June 13, 2003, 01:04:25 AM
....or for playing good games on that you can't get on other platforms. You seem to have overlooked that particular use of a PS2.
While it's a shame that GCN wont be automatically getting Sonic Team games as exclusives, I don't see that it still wont be getting exclusives. I can hardly see SMB3 going to PS2, because SMB's fanbase is on the GCN. In fact, I'd rather play SMB3 on a GCN than a PS2.
Sonic Heroes will be great on all three platforms, from what little I've seen.
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Post by: Ymeegod on June 13, 2003, 03:23:30 AM
Actually if you consider what sells vrs games that don't you can almost see why Sega is dropping the GC.
If you look at the begining (nov-feb) they had their best months with SMB being a launch title and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle following in the spring. But what have sold since then? Sega Soccer Slam? Nope. What about SoA? Nope. What about PSO? Nope. What about SMB2? Nope.
And that's excluding the sports titles which we all know by now didn't sell.
And Nintendo is getting two exclusives though, Billy Hatcher is one to look forward to.
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Post by: Bartman3010 on June 13, 2003, 03:55:28 AM
I think Sega wants Sonic on all platforms because of 1 of these things:
A. Sonic is now Sega's bitch to milk off of. The merchandise, TV show, slew of spin-off games comming out. (Pinball Party, Battle etc.) B. Sega still hates Nintendo and wants to pee on their grave for destroying the Dreamcast (Well..PS2 did it anyway) C. Sega's crack team of marketing stradegists thinks its cool to screw people over.
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Post by: boggy b on June 13, 2003, 04:25:05 AM
Sega wants to put Sonic on multiple platforms because it's a well-known franchise and they can make more money if it's multiplatform.
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Post by: Round Eye on June 13, 2003, 05:30:12 AM
The reason that crappy 3rd party games sell better on the PS2 is that the PS2 has a bigger piece of the uninformed gamer pie. A lot of lemmings bought the PS2 simply because all of the other lemmings bought the PS2. And now those same lemmings are buying the crappy 3rd party games.
I'm not saying that Sony does not have any quality games, or that Sega makes crappy games. I'm just saying that there are a lot of people who could care less if they are playing good games. And that most of those people hang out with the PS2.
Now people who buy the Xbox... *sigh* *slow patranizing rotating of head side to side*
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Post by: thecubedcanuck on June 13, 2003, 06:02:59 AM
Quote The reason that crappy 3rd party games sell better on the PS2 is that the PS2 has a bigger piece of the uninformed gamer pie.
LMAO, I would bet top doller that there as MORE hard core gamers who own PS2's than any other system.
Quote A lot of lemmings bought the PS2 simply because all of the other lemmings bought the PS2. And now those same lemmings are buying the crappy 3rd party games.
Again LMAO, or maybe the PS2 sells the best because it has the largest base of good games that appeal to the largest base of gamers? This is the kink of thinking that has put Nintendo behind the 8 ball.
Quote I'm not saying that Sony does not have any quality games, or that Sega makes crappy games. I'm just saying that there are a lot of people who could care less if they are playing good games. And that most of those people hang out with the PS2.
Yep, 50 million users all lemmings, none care about good games. What a freaking riot.
Quote Now people who buy the Xbox... *sigh* *slow patranizing rotating of head side to side*
Now people who buy the X-box = the number of people who buy the cube. Its called taste, they both have an equal number of good games.
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Post by: Round Eye on June 13, 2003, 07:06:57 AM
Cubed-
I did'nt say that all of PS2 gamers don't care about quality games. I said that the people who are not that concerned about playing the best games are most likely on the PS2.
I am sure that the PS2 has a ton of good games, since its library is very big. Just like it has a ton of not so good games.
Its because its such a popular system you are more likely to get the casual gamer picking up the system.
I am not trying to bash PS2. I am just trying to make a point about why the crappy 3rd party games sell better on the PS2. There has to be a reason right?
Why do you think the crappy 3rd party games sell better?
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Post by: Round Eye on June 13, 2003, 07:13:05 AM
Xbox is a good system, I just don't trust Microsoft. I think they just want to crash the console industry. Just like they do in the computer industry. They go in and try to undercut the competition.
The first hit is free then they jack up the price.
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Post by: Darc Requiem on June 13, 2003, 08:00:16 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Round Eye Cubed-
I did'nt say that all of PS2 gamers don't care about quality games. I said that the people who are not that concerned about playing the best games are most likely on the PS2.
I am sure that the PS2 has a ton of good games, since its library is very big. Just like it has a ton of not so good games.
Its because its such a popular system you are more likely to get the casual gamer picking up the system.
I am not trying to bash PS2. I am just trying to make a point about why the crappy 3rd party games sell better on the PS2. There has to be a reason right?
Why do you think the crappy 3rd party games sell better?
Cubed, Round Eye is absolutely right. The Gamecube's userbase is almost entirely hardcore gamers. The PS2 probably does have more hardcore gamers as owners than the Gamecube but the majority of PS2 owners are casual gamers by far. Thats why shovelware sells best on PS2. Their are more PS2 gamers that will look at a game like Batman Dark Tomorrow automatically think its cool because it Batman and buy it. The Gamecube and even the X-box has a more hard core fan base thats more likely to check reviews or the internet before making their purchases. Seriously talk to the the average PS2 owner, they aren't the most game savvy bunch out there. They own like 3 or 4 games and all those game have big name recognition. Its kind of like the GBA it has the exact same problem as the PS2, there is tons of shovelware on it and most GBA owners are casual gamers and buy shovelware. They look at which title has the most recognizable name, usually a craptactular movie licensed title and pick it up without a thought. Ps2 owners are the same way Cubed, and if you think otherwise you need to open your eyes.
Darc Requiem
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Post by: Ymeegod on June 13, 2003, 10:06:02 AM
Actually if GC fans where hardcore then why are the passing up games like ED & TS2? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. Or why was Enter the Matrix the top seller ;0.
Reality is most gamers are casual, regardless of system. Just because it seems like most people here actually know about games doesn't mean 99% of the rest of GC owners do. Think about it, how many people actually post here vrs the userbase.
Why do Nintendo games sell, because that's what retailers tell you to buy. Just walk into any shop and have them suggest games to you.
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Post by: Darc Requiem on June 13, 2003, 04:39:47 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ymeegod Actually if GC fans where hardcore then why are the passing up games like ED & TS2? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. Or why was Enter the Matrix the top seller ;0.
Reality is most gamers are casual, regardless of system. Just because it seems like most people here actually know about games doesn't mean 99% of the rest of GC owners do. Think about it, how many people actually post here vrs the userbase.
Why do Nintendo games sell, because that's what retailers tell you to buy. Just walk into any shop and have them suggest games to you.
ED should have sold more, I have several others have stated so many times. That stated Nintendo didn't exactly have the best ad campaign for ED and I think that had a lot to do with. TS2 is actually one of the better selling third party titles on Cube, but like all multiplatform games its going to sell more on PS2. As I stated above most GC and X-box owners are hardcore gamers and most PS2 owners are casual gamers but, the number of hardcore gamers that own a PS2 still out number the number of gamers that own a Gamecube or X-box. Oh and Enter the Matrix was not the top seller for Gamecube, it was for PS2 and X-box but not GC.
Darc Requiem
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Post by: Darc Requiem on June 13, 2003, 04:40:47 PM
Delete this....I don't know why its here twice. Sorry everyone
