Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 26, 2003, 04:15:31 PM
Ah, what awonderful phrase; hopefully, it doesn't come true for me.
To my point, I think this Resident Evil will be the mature kick that Nintendo needs. It seems a lot like Silent Hill. The thing I like most is the flashlight effect (for anyone who didn't see the RE4 video in E3. When Leon aims, he crosses over a flash light, which releases a blue hue). This will add a whole new dimension to the game because now you can have hidden creatures right in front of you without knowing it, if you aren't using the flash light. Then BAM, you are being sucked on the neck by a zombie. I also think this is a great chance for Capcom to make the control style almost perfect because the game is going to be in full motion. Now, we can finally see a stop from the bickering of all the RE fans that the control scheme sucks (Even though I thought it was perfect). In addition, I'm extatic that Leon is back. RE 2 was the game that got me into the series, and Leon was the character that was my most favorite. Now he is back and ready to kick ass.
Although I only hope Capcom come up with a storyline that won't be repetetive; I want it to be a whole new story. Maybe they can implement everything from RE 0 (Character swapping), RE 2 (different storylines for diff chars), RE 3 (Unsoppable monster that chases you every where).
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 26, 2003, 05:00:32 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 26, 2003, 05:15:03 PM
I love that cinematic they showed, very scary.
Post by: Grease Monkey on May 26, 2003, 05:48:13 PM
Post by: rpglover on May 26, 2003, 06:40:48 PM
for any of you who havent played those games, they are like re but a little more stranger
most creatures in re have been remixes of old ones but in silent hill- the creatures can freak you out since they look so hideous
that chain monster chasing leon looks really good
i am thinking that it will chase after you the whole game (sort of like mr. x in re2)
the atmosphere also looks better and more scarier- i just hope the game delivers
it looks great
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on May 26, 2003, 08:39:31 PM
So far we don't know all that much....
Hope there is a secondary character!
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 26, 2003, 11:10:53 PM
The outdoor levels were just horrible to watch. The frame just sucked.
I haven't played it, so these are just the impressions I have based on teh video.
RE4, based on the vid at E3 was very freaky. You know how you're not physically freaked, but it just suddenly gets cold and you get goosebumps? Yeah.
Post by: nonjagged on May 27, 2003, 07:05:33 AM
The Virus going Nano (airborn) should give the RE series a much needed refreshment as many PSX fanboys refuse to buy a GCN unless the series has something fresh as an incentive for them.
Easily RE4 will be the best Survival Horror game made to date and should get sales of 1MIL pretty easy.
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 27, 2003, 08:41:59 AM
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Post by: BlkPaladin on May 27, 2003, 11:23:47 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 27, 2003, 01:16:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
I saw a video of Silent Hill 2 from NextGenVids' E3 2001 DVD, and frankly, it sucked. It was a bad example of what the game was like. The acting sucked. The lighting effects indoors were pretty cool. The zombies were more animated (there were these zombies that looked like they were having seizures which would be pretty freaky).
The outdoor levels were just horrible to watch. The frame just sucked.
I haven't played it, so these are just the impressions I have based on teh video.q]
DO NOT be dissing Silent Hill. Be it 1, 2, or 3. The game is pathetically easy in terms of fighting, and the puzzles don't make sense, but that's not what the game is about. The game is intended to creep you right out. Silent Hill 2 was the ONE PS2 game that made me actually want a PS2 for over a year. When it finally came out for PC, I was a happy man. The game is truly great at what it does, and those who haven't played it (to the end), wouldn't know what I was talking about. Silent Hill 1 was good, and scary as hell. Silent Hill 2 did the job that much better.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 27, 2003, 01:38:00 PM
Anyways, that is really amazing if that's all real-time. I'm glad they chose to go realtime, now hopefully when you shoot out a light (WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU!) or a zombie knocks down a lamp, the light fades on all the objects and the moon will be glistening through a window or something, and now making everything take a blue tone. Can't do that with pre-rendered stuff. That tidbit would make everything a hell of alot scarier, so will the flashlight. Also when a zombie is shot with a shotgun, the blood will splater on the wall and the bullet holes will be left in the wall. I can't wait for this game.
*dreams about blood splatering against wall*
One feature that I hope they fix is the limiting of the number of items you can carry. This thing alone made the game a hell of alot longer......bastards. Sure it was more realistic and not like Link, where he can pull a bow, a bomb, or boomarang out of his a**, but hey it sure is alot more frustrating. Also the movement; stop with the digital crap....I hate moving and turning so slow especially if your trying to shoot to many different zombies quickly from different directions. I don't like getting raped by zombies becuase of the controls.
*dreams about getting raped by zombies*
Post by: almondblight on May 27, 2003, 02:22:02 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 27, 2003, 04:50:28 PM
Here here. *lights lighter in agreement*
And Grey Ninja, I might have come off sounding like I was dissing it, but I was just saying that the video I saw gave me a VERY bad impression of the game. And it might not have been in context, but there was all these scenes about the guy and the blonde chick screaming out if they love each other or not, and they're in some dark corridor with zombies around them.
It's just that I'd rather not play a game with really bad acting. It's like watching a bad movie. You can compare the two now, since Konami are making their major games more movie-like. And I'm not saying that it's not scary either. Hell, the bloody Redeads in WW scared the crap outta me the first time I saw them! I try to kill them without having to go near them, which is why the bomb bag upgrade was so helpful! That screech is terrifying!
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 27, 2003, 06:28:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
And Grey Ninja, I might have come off sounding like I was dissing it, but I was just saying that the video I saw gave me a VERY bad impression of the game. And it might not have been in context, but there was all these scenes about the guy and the blonde chick screaming out if they love each other or not, and they're in some dark corridor with zombies around them.
It's just that I'd rather not play a game with really bad acting. It's like watching a bad movie. You can compare the two now, since Konami are making their major games more movie-like. And I'm not saying that it's not scary either. Hell, the bloody Redeads in WW scared the crap outta me the first time I saw them! I try to kill them without having to go near them, which is why the bomb bag upgrade was so helpful! That screech is terrifying!
Actually, I LOVED the trailers for Silent Hill 2. There were 3 of them, and 2 of those made it onto the PC version's first disc... which of them did you see? My favorite was the first one. It started out with a shot of James in a rowboat going through a foggy lake. It ended with some VERY disturbing scenes featuring a huge monster dragging around a corpse. After it was over... it showed James back in the bathroom, and Maria ran her hand over his face and said: "See? I'm real." It was a teaser trailer shown at E3 a few years back I think. It didn't make it onto the Silent Hill 2 PC version disc though unfortunately...
The voice acting in Silent Hill 2 was awesome though... all the trailers had good voice acting scenes I think... so I don't really know what your gripe is about that.
Anyways, since I am on the topic of Silent Hill... #3 just came out recently for PS2. I have to wait until August for the PC version. Is anyone else here waiting for the game as much as me?
Or do you coughcoughtraitorscough have PS2s?
Post by: Sirmorphix on May 27, 2003, 06:45:49 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2003, 07:13:12 PM
Post by: nonjagged on May 27, 2003, 11:41:09 PM
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Accually CV on the Dreamcast was not prerendered. So it was only a matter of time before they did it again.
Yes true but when I played CV on the DC I noticed that the graphics where no where near as highly detailed as being pre-rendered eg. in REmake on GCN, but today's technology and most likely next-gen consoles will allow for realtime graphics to look as good as the pre-rendered (static) environments.
CV on DC is not an example of fading the line between pre-rendered and realtime. RE4 on GCN however will be though.
Im dissapointed that AitD4 or is it 5 is only scheduled for ps2 and Xbx. That sucks because Gamecube users get RE series for temp period we get to miss out on AitD series or *cough* SH series *cough* Konami hates Nintendo *cough*.
Bummer.
Post by: Mario on May 28, 2003, 01:43:40 AM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 28, 2003, 03:20:53 AM
Post by: Ninja X on May 28, 2003, 01:01:39 PM
The wraith creature is probably made of the new virus, the Progenitor virus. Whatever it is, it looks to be a Nemesis. The difference between this and the Nemesis though is that this seems like it can appear in any shape and can appear anywhere...at any time. Cool...
Mikami, don't disappoint me.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 28, 2003, 03:53:09 PM
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Mikami, don't disappoint me.
Mikami will make you "Pea your pants!"
So don't worry, I believe in Capcom a lot. They've got some real great titles that I'm looking to buy soon (Killer 7, Veitiful Joe, and RE 4).
The REmake was incredible (mostly for the part I enver played the original). I don't see how they can go wrong with RE 4. Fans have been wanting something full motion and new control style, and they are getting exaclty that. They are also getting one of the most favorite characters, if not the most favorite. And we all know Capcom isn't going to spill all the beans, I'm sure they got some other huge surprises up their sleeve.
Post by: Ninja X on May 28, 2003, 05:12:26 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 29, 2003, 06:07:09 AM
).Watch where the single zombie in the footage walks to the right. Backtrack to where you first see the zombie. The zombie materializes out of nowhere. Think about it. You go into an empty room, grab something, turn to leave, and zombies materialize from the shadows.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 29, 2003, 01:15:38 PM
I just want freakier zombies and monsters.....that guys with the hook and chain look great. Oh ya and also more manouvers, like many more ways to cut off a zombies head, not just shooting a shutgun or randomly hitting there head with a pistol.
Post by: godwheel on May 29, 2003, 01:40:49 PM
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Post by: highenergyboy on May 29, 2003, 02:04:09 PM
Whatever that apparition-like being was it was unsettling just to watch Leon fire at it from across a hallway in vain while it approached him undeterred wielding a hook and chain. It was almost as if the bullets did not even phase that thing to begin with. Couple this with the possiblity that it could materialize abruptly out of nowhere (say like right on the other side of a door before you open it) and that would be even more demoralizing. Zombies are bad enough but just imagine dealing with an enemy that likes to mess with your head like that.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 02:12:32 PM
The direct feed ain't great quality, but at least it's direct feed. And the sound is freakin me out.
Resident Evil with Sanity effects.
*screams in terror*
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 29, 2003, 03:23:18 PM
A few additions I'd like is the better use of a knife and "whacking" weapons, such as pistols, crobars, etc. Zombies are extremely slow, and it would be realistic now, if Leon could just run around them and swipe their head and whack them to the ground. This would be extremely usefull to save up bullets. I remember in REmake that after your "safety" knives were gone, one swipe at the zombie and then you'd be being sucked by the Zombie.
Another addition I'd want is less bullets/weapons. Now you might think I'm crazy, but I'm a hardcore gamer, and all I look for is for games to challenge me. What better way for me to have fun then take the shadow-demon-zombie-thinnie on with a knife, crobar, and an empty pistol. Oh man, I can just imagine the carnage.
*Starts drooling and makes his pants all wet. Oh wait, they were wet already.
*
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 29, 2003, 03:35:15 PM
I mean, a good ole punch or kick would be nice. After all, you are not slower than a zombie. You should be able to do "Hit and run" stuff! Kick em down, and run the hell outta there!
That said, the control scheme needs to change,
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 29, 2003, 06:12:38 PM
Conserving bullets suck ass, though I do think its needed.....running out of bullets is scary as hell. And yes a knife needs to be more effective, it took 8 slashes just to bring the zombie down and not even kill it, THATS CRAP.
Post by: AlphaDragoon2002 on May 30, 2003, 09:55:07 AM
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 30, 2003, 11:04:50 AM
Post by: Ninja X on May 30, 2003, 11:33:00 AM
As for the sword idea, cool, but I cannot picture Leon carrying one around swiping at zombies with it.
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 30, 2003, 12:37:57 PM
Resident Evil 0 scared the piss out of me for that reason. I was always out of ammo, and exploring a new area just dying for a green herb. Oftentimes I would be exploring the mansion with only about 6 bullets left in each of my guns. (one per character) Or I would be completely out of ammo, and simply using my precious shotgun or grenade shells on zombies.
Having an effective knife would take a great deal of fun out of that.
Post by: ThePerm on May 30, 2003, 01:22:55 PM
Post by: AlphaDragoon2002 on May 30, 2003, 10:19:18 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 31, 2003, 07:34:37 AM
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 13, 2003, 08:56:02 PM
*Leon shoots a Zombie down. Walks over to head, and curshes it with his foot, splattering blood across the screen.*
Man, I jsut want more difficulty, more puzzles, and more GORE.
Post by: BlkPaladin on June 13, 2003, 09:06:31 PM
Post by: Ninja X on June 14, 2003, 02:46:46 PM
I hope they make a comeback too...but it looks like this wraith creature will take its stead, as it can hide in just about any corner.
Post by: Mario on June 14, 2003, 10:40:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 15, 2003, 12:40:37 AM
Post by: boggy b on June 15, 2003, 11:20:22 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 15, 2003, 12:49:24 PM
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IMO, none of the Resi Evil's held a candle to Silent Hill...but this could be the one to change all that. If they make the game more like Silent Hill, I could really only see that as a boon.
Silent Hill and Resident Evil are similar in layout and controls only. I don't think it's fair to compare them.
Silent Hill is insanely easy. That's its biggest problem. Given that there are only about 3 or 4 different kinds of enemies in the games, and they can be taken down in a matter of seconds without much risk, the game just isn't very stimulating in that regard. Many of the puzzles are INSANELY out of place, and there are quite a few that just don't make any sense whatsoever (the blasted head puzzle in SH2 comes to mind). However, Silent Hill has a very deep plot, and even though the monsters are harmless, the general atmosphere of the game has you terrified anyways. It gets to you in a very subliminal manner. The game has next to nothing for replay value though. The games are among my favorites, yet it's always a forced thing to go through the game again, simply because all the scare has worn off after one time through the game, and it's just repetitive.
Resident Evil prides itself on difficulty. That's where the real scare comes in. You have to invade an unexplored, zombie filled area, that could have all manner of very dangerous creature living in it, and you will be short on both ammo and health throughout the game. The zombies themselves are not that difficult to avoid unless you are in closed quarters with them, but there are plenty of more dangerous creatures in the game. The puzzles are out of place, but they aren't overly difficult, and there is some logic to them. Replay value is great with the game, as the game is always difficult, and in the next times through, you can try to optimize your techniques, to try and beat that insane guy who finished the game in under an hour... (but that's another story) The story for Resident Evil is a very in your face B movie style, that is entertaining, but not really that scary. I consider Resident Evil to be more action than horror, but it seems that Resident Evil 4 might be changing that to become a little more on the Silent Hill side...
Basically, what I am saying is that while Silent Hill might be smarter, and a little scarier, Resident Evil is an actual GAME.
That being said, I am not sure which one I prefer. At times I will say Silent Hill, and at times I will say Resident Evil. It depends on my mood at the time. I really don't believe that one is ultimately better than the other though.
Post by: AgentSeven on June 15, 2003, 01:37:15 PM
I can't wait for R.E.4!
My problem with Silent Hill is that they always seemed like a RE wanna-be. They are extremely easy, and I'm sorry to say this, but the story lines in those SH games are totally stupid.
The only survial-horror game that is worse than SH was the uber-terrible Parasite Eve. Now theres a game that really sucked.RE on GameCube hooked me on the series. I can't wait to see what Capcom has in store for the next title. Who knows maybe we will actually get a decent RE handheld game for GBA as well?
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 15, 2003, 01:50:50 PM
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My problem with Silent Hill is that they always seemed like a RE wanna-be. They are extremely easy, and I'm sorry to say this, but the story lines in those SH games are totally stupid.
Actually, I really liked the story for Silent Hill. A lot of people don't like it because they don't dig deep enough into it, don't like the symbolism, or just don't like a story that leaves so many loose ends, but I really liked it.
And when you mention Parasite Eve... I hope to god you are talking about Parasite Eve 2, as Parasite Eve 1 was a masterpiece in every way, while Parasite Eve 2 was a suckfest as you say.
Post by: AgentSeven on June 15, 2003, 01:57:25 PM
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Post by: Ninja X on June 15, 2003, 03:48:13 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 15, 2003, 06:28:22 PM
It goes without saying that Silent Hill was Konami's ripoff of Resident Evil, but I am not so sure it turned out like that, or that the two should be compared. It's like comparing apples and oranges... they are both fruit, but they can't really be compared.
Post by: Mario on June 15, 2003, 06:52:05 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 15, 2003, 07:01:53 PM
Post by: Mario on June 15, 2003, 07:04:44 PM
Well, not much actually, only played it for a brief hour. But Resident Evil still outdoes it in every category. What makes Silent Hill better?
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 15, 2003, 07:08:46 PM
Silent Hill actually feels a lot more like Eternal Darkness in terms of storyline. It takes a while to get into it, and it goes right over a lot of gamer's heads.
Post by: Mario on June 15, 2003, 07:23:27 PM
Resident Evil's plot is actually very deep and intellectual if you know what to look for. The documents you pick up through the games provide background information on various characters and events, and the way some things link together is just brilliant. The cut-scenes also are well done, and have above average voice acting. RE also has more puzzles than just mindless zombie shooting too. Its also a lot more scary IMO. Bah, RE is just better!
It should be interesting to see what RE4 adds to the RE plot.
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 15, 2003, 07:27:54 PM
I am just saying that Silent Hill takes it MUCH further than Resident Evil.Remember Lisa in Resident Evil? Silent Hill has many such characters. In fact, the story is built around such characters. You read about Lisa's past in the documents, but you never actually saw how it happened to her, or how she felt going through it. Now imagine if you had met Lisa when she was normal, and you saw her go through the whole change.
That's the essential difference between Silent Hill and Resident Evil. Resident Evil lets you know that some bad stuff happened in the past. Silent Hill shows you that stuff, and all kinds of stuff that you NEVER want to see again. That's what makes the game great. Given that you have not played much of Silent Hill, it's hard for me to make a good example without spoiling the game, but for God's sakes... trust me on this.
Post by: Mario on June 15, 2003, 07:30:38 PM
Post by: StRaNgE on June 15, 2003, 10:56:59 PM
i must have just run through nothing forever before anything interesting happened, i assume it will get more interesting soon.
the story so far seems to have potential.
before RE remake i only like the concept of RE, after i replayed it on the cube i fell in love!!!!!
it's like an all new game.
Post by: Ninja X on June 16, 2003, 10:51:13 AM
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Yeah, but the focus and the atmosphere of the games are COMPLETELY different.
It goes without saying that Silent Hill was Konami's ripoff of Resident Evil, but I am not so sure it turned out like that, or that the two should be compared. It's like comparing apples and oranges... they are both fruit, but they can't really be compared.
I guess so. One thing I noticed though is that Silent Hill goes off into the superstitious end of things and Resident Evil tries to be more realistic. I think that's where they ultimately differ.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 17, 2003, 09:19:10 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 18, 2003, 12:04:09 AM
The thing is that in Silent Hill, the melee weapons are much more versatile and powerful than the handguns. So you never really need or run out of ammo. The enemies are slow and predictable, meaning it is easy to avoid them or kill them at your leisure.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 18, 2003, 04:57:39 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 18, 2003, 05:51:30 PM
There's a couple of puzzles in which the solution must be found by guess and check, and to me, that's just horrid game design.
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on June 21, 2003, 07:31:42 AM
Thanks for clearifying.
Post by: Fish on June 21, 2003, 08:50:12 AM
And it would be funny to have some humorous relief, like a Zombie named Casper with yellow baseball cap and teddybear in its hands and it would follow you all the time and if you blow it when you think you got rid of it there it is!
What? Well i get scared easily......
Post by: Ninja X on June 21, 2003, 09:31:43 AM
Post by: Grey Ninja on June 21, 2003, 03:23:29 PM
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Yeah, I think my friends mentioned one where they had to match the keystrokes of a piano or some instrument, and the pitch had to be exact. I think they went out to buy headphones and maxed out the sound just to hear it perfectly, haha.
Thanks for clearifying.
I think I remember something about that one. I am pretty sure that there was an easier way of doing that, but I can't remember for sure now. It's ringing a bell, but I can't really think of the puzzle now, or where I saw it... I have next to no musical ability, so if I could do it, anyone could.
I do remember one puzzle that featured a piano with several broken keys, and a poem on the wall.
That one was in the first Silent Hill, and it was where quite a few people I know just gave up on the game because they couldn't solve it. I thought it was a pretty easy puzzle, but it did get a lot of people stuck.As for the Zodiac puzzle... that one took me like 3 days to solve. I think that was one of the most difficult ones in Silent Hill.
It DID make logical sense though, even though it was out of place.
