Post by: kelleman on May 25, 2003, 11:11:08 AM
Ok. That's all from me for now. what about you guys? And don't get me started on why none of you buy Sports Games (Mario Golf and Tennis don't count).
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 25, 2003, 11:14:27 AM
I have played Bloody Roar, though (my friend has it), and that's a pretty fun game.
Post by: mjbd on May 25, 2003, 11:22:50 AM
Post by: yellowfellow on May 25, 2003, 11:24:43 AM
my only contribution to this discussion would be that most nintendo gamers are just loyal fans of nintendo games and everything nintendo and well, growing up with nintendo, fighting games were not overly popular (remember when nintendo opted to go with grey blood in MK?)
Post by: Scyth3r on May 25, 2003, 12:03:51 PM
It's impossible to just pick up and play and have fun, as you'll get your @ss kicked in a few seconds by any experienced player.
Post by: Strell on May 25, 2003, 12:03:56 PM
Did you ever stop to think that maybe Namco is being given numerous money hats by Sony to keep Tekken on the PS2? Same thing with DOA.
We get SC2 and Smash Bros. And those are the only fighting games worth playing anyway.
Sure, would be nice to have some more (Guilty Gear 2 comes to mind), but let Sony and M$ their crappy games like Supar Super Street Fighters Megamix 32 hyper family fun time edition version 2.3+ with 3 extra animation frames per character. In fact, Sammy/SNK fighters are the only other real worthwhile ones. Capcom's games all follow the same formula. If you've played one, you've played them all. Same thing with sports games. I can't undestand people who buy Madden everyyear. "It has new rosters!" OMG HOORAY. ITS THE SAME GAME TOO.
We don't know what goes on behind closed curtains in the business world, so before you go off ranting like a loon, make sure your argument isn't full of holes.
Post by: Uglydot on May 25, 2003, 12:20:11 PM
Post by: GoldShadow1 on May 25, 2003, 12:30:54 PM
I'm not much of a fighting game person, myself. I like Smash Bros. though. I just prefer adventure games and stuff to just one-on-one battles all the time. Also, I hate button combinations. I wanna try Soul Calibur II, though.
Post by: joshnickerson on May 25, 2003, 01:11:33 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 25, 2003, 01:30:04 PM
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 25, 2003, 01:41:18 PM
The PS2 right now has the best controller for fighters. It has the most buttons, unintrusive right analog stick, and a good D-Pad. It has the best default controller for fighting games, but there are plenty of unofficial controllers for fighters that are superior.
As for me? I like fighting games. I, however, tend to play games alone, and fighting games wear out awfully quickly alone.
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: Matrix on May 25, 2003, 01:48:32 PM
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Why don't Nintendo fans like Fighting Games?
I'm a Nintendo fan, and I LOVE fighting games. I have Mortal Kombat: DA, Capcom vs SNK EO, Smash Brothers, an imported Soul Calibur 2, Godzilla, X-Men: Next Dimension. So, yeah... I love 'em.
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 25, 2003, 02:14:21 PM
Post by: RickPowers on May 25, 2003, 03:44:25 PM
Post by: grap3fruitman on May 25, 2003, 03:55:38 PM
I'm considering getting an Xbox just for the DOA series...
Post by: Drexion on May 25, 2003, 04:03:54 PM
I'm a nintendo fan, but I like fighting games, best of all the tekken series. Of those, tekken tag is my fav - it seems to be the pinnacle. Imo tekken 4 tried to copy the doa style a little bit and it totally messed it up.
Anyhoo, my love for the tekken series isnt great enough for me to choose another console platform over the Nintendo console. (I can only afford 1 console each 'generation')
Post by: joshnickerson on May 25, 2003, 04:07:11 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 25, 2003, 04:15:05 PM
Post by: telaris on May 25, 2003, 04:53:46 PM
Post by: Arbok on May 25, 2003, 05:20:49 PM
Post by: JoeSmashBro on May 25, 2003, 06:44:22 PM
Post by: PIAC on May 25, 2003, 09:04:39 PM
Post by: ThePerm on May 25, 2003, 09:09:24 PM
Post by: WhoDey on May 26, 2003, 05:00:45 AM
I never gave any other considerations to fighters until Smash Bro's for the N64 was released. Knowing it came with characters I was familiar with, I decided to rent it. Within an hour I was bored with it. The last 3 days of my rental I never even played it.
To this day I haven't played the GC version because I figure I won't like it. I did pick up the demo disc and tried out Soul Calibur 2...for about 5 minutes. I still find the whole genre numbingly boring. I really don't like fighters.
Post by: kelleman on May 26, 2003, 05:12:47 AM
About SSB: M, I really liked it when I rented it, but because of the frantic action on-screen my girlfriend never really liked it as she lost sight of her character every time she played. I did have Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, but even though some of the extras were cool, it just bored me to death. Freedom of movement was good, as well as the option of using weapons, but the extras, IMO, were "BLEH!!!!!!". I mean, come on! Most of the extras in the Krypt were just renders and concept art. Some nice videos, extra characters and some bio about the arts and weapons thrown in for the "hardcore" fighting fan. It sucked when you saved enough money to open a Kasket only to find it empty. Midway should have done their homework and completely made the gameplay a cross between SC and VF/Last Bronx. Took that game back to EB and traded it in for Wind Waker. It would be great if Nintendo themselves made a fighting game that would rival the trinity of excellence in fighting games: Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur. HOpefully next generation.
Now to respond to you, Strell. I never said anything about why PS2 keeps on getting Tekken. I thought everyone knew that:
[On Phone]
Sony: Hey guys! Kaz here. How would you like to keep Tekken on PS2 only, huh?
Namco: We kinda wanted to bring over Tekken to the GCN and really take it in new directions.
Sony: Heh. We'll pay you 30 Billion Yen to keep it exclusive or else we'll let everyone know what you did with those motion-capture
fighters in your dungeon.
Namco: Really? Deal then! We would love to keep it on PS2!
Sony: Great! Just dot your initials on the contract I'm sending you by my persoal carrier. Don't mind his appearance. He was born with
with that hump. And the horns. And the forked tail. Some kind of radiation mutation from Hiroshima.
Besides, you're saying I'm ranting like a loon? That's the only way to go on the 'net, don't you know. I really LOVE fighting games. Have since day one when I got my first one. Just wish there was some other way to get the ones I want but I can't really afford it since I have a 2 yr old to think about and splurging on a PS2 for Tekken and VF just isn't responsible parenting. Still, I already pre-ordered SC2 and that was before Link showed himself. Just wish there was more to choose from. Don't know how good DragonBall Z is and I require more than 15 moves per fighter. Commercials on it looked good though and I am a big fan of the cartoons. Can't wait till GT starts on CN.
Post by: Strell on May 26, 2003, 07:42:22 AM
K.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 26, 2003, 08:39:43 AM
What I think about the controller: Companies should notice the GC controller is different from the usual ones. That means they shouldn't try to remap the buttons in a weird way, but incorporate the controller's shape. You got an unconventional setup, whay try to apply a conventional control scheme to it? Can't they think of an innovative use of the C-stick? Aiming, for example?
Post by: CHEN on May 26, 2003, 09:56:50 AM
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Originally posted by: telaris
I've never played a fighting game in my life, before today. I picked up the demo disk for 10$ and played Soul Calibur 2 everboy said it was a really good game. I thought it was gona be a FPs but to my dismay it was a fighting game. But I really got into and i cant wait to buy it when it comes out
You will love it so much that you will still play it after 5 years. That's how good it is.
Post by: Sullichin on May 26, 2003, 10:00:05 AM
Post by: Christberg on May 26, 2003, 10:18:36 AM
Soul Calibur 2 will sell very well on GC, guaranteed. Personally, I won't buy it on GC for Link, I'll buy it on GC because I love my wavebird, and after playing the demo it plays FINE on the GC pad. If they were to release a Tekken game or something similar, you can bet that'd sell, too.
DBZ Budokai is coming to GC, but unless it's been improved quite a bit, I'm not interested, and I suspect most GC fans won't be either. Why? So far Atari says it's the same exact game with a bit cleaner graphics... a year later? Bleh.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 26, 2003, 11:15:59 AM
What he said. In fact "Nintendo fans like GOOD _______ games" is pretty much a blanket statement that could work with any genre.
Back in the SNES era I was a fighting game nut. I used to have a Gamepro subscription and the first section I always checked out was The Fighter's Edge. I played Street Fighter II to the point that I'm absolutely sick of it and can't play it anymore. I used to love going to the arcades and checking out some of the Neo-Geo fighters. In retrospect my love of fighting games didn't really make much sense considering I absolutely sucked at fighting games back then. The N64 didn't really get many fighting game so I stopped keeping up with the fighting game scene.
Today's fighting games are so similar to each other I really don't see any need to have tons of them available for the Gamecube. Sure hardcore fighting fans can spot the differences between Tekken, Virtua Fighter, and Dead or Alive but to the average person they're similar enough that one really only needs one of them. So in the end I really only care about the best title for each sub-genre of fighting games. Super Smash Bros. Melee is pretty unique so naturally I have that. Most 2D fighters are the same and I already have Street Fighter Alpha 3 for my PSX so I don't need another 2D fighter (though I wish Capcom would change up the genre a bit). Virtua Fighter 4 is often called the best 3D fighter without weapons so naturally I wish that would come to Gamecube. In fact VF4 is one of those titles that has gotten of a fair bit of "why isn't this on Gamecube" discussion on this forum.
And then there's Soul Calibur 2 which is being called the best fighting game EVER and it is coming to Gamecube. So since the best fighting game ever is coming to Gamecube do we really need anything else? The average gamer (who isn't a fighter nut) probably only needs to have one fighter so if we can already get the best why complain that we don't get the rest?
Personally Soul Calibur 2 is at the top of my "most wanted" list right now. It's even higher than F-Zero and I'm a huge F-Zero nut. I bought the demo disc pretty much just for SC2.
Post by: ShockingAlberto on May 26, 2003, 11:36:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Sullichin
Argh. SSB. I don't see how people can put that in the same league as real fighting games. It's more like an adventure game. Soul Calibur, Tekken.. I like real fighting games
That's like saying "I don't consider Baseball a real sport," or "The PS2 has a DVD player, thus making it
not a video game machine." While they're your opinions, if you speak them in public, you will get ridiculed. Similar to what I'm doing now, but I'm in a good mood. Explain to me how SSB:M is any different from Power Stone? Because it's not from Capcom?
Here's the way I see it:
1. Creators say "Hey, let's make a fighting game!"
2. Fighting game is made.
3. No one says "Dude, that's not a fighting game."
4. Everyone is happy!
-- ShockingAlberto
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 26, 2003, 12:04:34 PM
EXACTLY, and that's the number one reason most 3rd party games don't sell well on the Gamecube- we'd rather spend our money on games that are actually good, not the monkey feces that is usually passed off as "hip" nowadays. People say it's good to have competition and that it helps make the industry better but when Sony took over their industry and built the success of their console soley on major 3rd parties, said 3rd parties soon found even crappy games could sell and they became the dominant force in the industry. 3rd party games don't sell compared to Nintendo's games because Nintendo's are so much better, yet 3rd parties don't try to bring the level of quality in their games up to Nintendo standards because it's much easier to release them on the XBox and PS2 where they know it will sell since it's the only thing those console owners have. In my opinion, the worst thing that ever happened to videogames was when 1st parties died out in console makers- if MS and Sony had 1st and 2nd parties half as good as Nintendo's, there'd be a LOT better games since 3rd parties would actually have to release good games to compete.
Post by: Ninja X on May 26, 2003, 03:33:24 PM
Post by: Tael on May 26, 2003, 03:44:24 PM
QuoteNo controller is ideal for fighters. You need an arcade stick.
Originally posted by: Ninja X
The GCN controller isn't exactly ideal for fighters...
Post by: Ninja X on May 26, 2003, 03:48:47 PM
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 26, 2003, 06:05:27 PM
SSBM is the only fighter that I've put more than 2 hours into.
Post by: ThePerm on May 26, 2003, 09:18:47 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on May 26, 2003, 09:20:47 PM
And Ive recently tried getting into the newer capcom ones at my friends houses and stuff but i can't get into it. I still find myself firing up street fighter 2 on my snes instead. And I've played the DoA series and it got old after like an hour, nothing really different about this game at all compared to tekken and SC.
In conclusion I just would like to say that the only real good fighting games released in the past 5 years or so are tekken 3, soul calibur, ssb, ssbm and virtua fighter 4.
Post by: PIAC on May 26, 2003, 09:25:54 PM
im going to buy the hori digital pad when i get soul calibur, i was thinking of getting their SC2 arcade stick, but ill go with the SNES style digital controller, it will make plaiyng GBA games on the GBP easier too
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 26, 2003, 10:58:43 PM
And DaBoXSuX, I know your post probably wasn't directed at me, but I just wanna say to everyone that I don't hate fighting games, I just can't get into them. I can play them, it's just that they don't hold my interest like say Zelda or Mario. BUT, if I can memorize all of a game's combos, then obviously I will enjoy. I just find it weird how when I game's just released, some people already know all the combos, like my friend, who has Tekken Tag. He bought the game with me, we went back to his house, and he had like one look at the list and he was fighting like a pro. Weird.
Post by: Uglydot on May 27, 2003, 01:54:09 AM
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on May 27, 2003, 02:44:08 AM
It just that I don't play them as much as I play the other games (Zelda, Super Monkey Ball etc). I'm okay at fighting games, but the thing the annoys me is remembering the moves and combos. I usually forget them when in the heat of a fight. Like, when I want to perform this move, I forget. And I don't like to button mash. And I dislike learning a new character, because you have to learn their moves. Then I forget the previous character's moves. Aw, school really messed my memory!....
But I'll probably be getting Soul Calibur 2.
Post by: egman on May 27, 2003, 07:23:32 AM
The problem with GC fans not talking about fighting games as much is because we don't get many. I can count the number that GC has on one hand right now. A good fighting game can do well on the GC if it's the concept's right and is promoted full heartedly. Link in Soul Calibur was a BRILLIANT idea for instance. Naruto, because of it's anime/artistic style, could be a good fit for the GC.
Another hurdle is the controller. The GC pad is brilliant for everything...except fighters. As crappy as the PS2 pad is, I think it's pretty much the prefered pad for fighting fans these days. I wished Nintendo had an alternative like the Hori pad right from the start, except with a Sega Saturn like button placement--but that would be hard to justify when you go back to the fact that Nintendo has few fighters to begin with. A new pad won't fix that.
Post by: aoi tsuki on May 27, 2003, 08:11:53 AM
Post by: CastlevaniaFreak on May 27, 2003, 11:01:44 AM
One of the problems is people hate the awsome GC controller for fighters,with good reason,since well....its harder to play with.
I am going to order a two player x arcade stick soon anyway,for my GC and for my MAME machine.
Post by: Bloodworth on May 27, 2003, 02:00:59 PM
I just don't think that the GC controller is much of an excuse. You can pick up a PlayCube for like $5 or you can get a decent arcade stick.
Post by: David G on May 27, 2003, 02:01:40 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 28, 2003, 05:01:22 AM
Post by: outlawstar0817 on May 28, 2003, 07:50:05 AM
Post by: kelleman on May 28, 2003, 08:01:05 AM
Anyway, what I want to say is that I have absolutely no problems with the D-pad. I'm 28 yrs old, 140 pounds (+ or - 5 pounds), and 5'6". I play Bloody Roar with the D-pad mostly and I prefer that set up. My hands don't cramp or get blistered at all unless I use the control stick. I'm just puzzled is all. Some of you must be 6' tall to not be able to use the D-pad. Most Americans are like me- average height. Oh well... I'm off to pre-order Metal Gear Solid and R: Racing Evolution. Oh yeah... and Rebel Strike!!!
Post by: Sullichin on May 28, 2003, 11:28:09 AM
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Originally posted by: ShockingAlbertoQuote
Originally posted by: Sullichin
Argh. SSB. I don't see how people can put that in the same league as real fighting games. It's more like an adventure game. Soul Calibur, Tekken.. I like real fighting games
That's like saying "I don't consider Baseball a real sport," or "The PS2 has a DVD player, thus making it
not a video game machine." While they're your opinions, if you speak them in public, you will get ridiculed. Similar to what I'm doing now, but I'm in a good mood. Explain to me how SSB:M is any different from Power Stone? Because it's not from Capcom?
Here's the way I see it:
1. Creators say "Hey, let's make a fighting game!"
2. Fighting game is made.
3. No one says "Dude, that's not a fighting game."
4. Everyone is happy!
-- ShockingAlberto
Hmm I never mentioned Power Stone in my post so why would I compare it? Both are party games, button mashers etc
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 28, 2003, 02:34:08 PM
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Originally posted by: PIAC
quick note on the subject of fighters, was there ever a street fighter 1? cause i know there are like a zillion street fighter 2 games.. is this all some big joke?
im going to buy the hori digital pad when i get soul calibur, i was thinking of getting their SC2 arcade stick, but ill go with the SNES style digital controller, it will make plaiyng GBA games on the GBP easier too
Yes there there was a Street Fighter 1. Although it had three different names in the arcade and two different control setups. There was Street Fighter, Street Fight, and Fighting Street all of which were the same game. The First version didn't have the six button set up it had a pressure pad (kinda like Sonic Blastman) The harder you hit the pad determined the strength of your attack. After the pads kept breaking and arcade owners complained, Capcom came up with the six button layout. Street Fighter 1 was released on Turbo Graphx 16 as Fighting Street. The only selectable character was Ryu and if you second player wanted to fight you they were Ken.
Street Fighter 1 was a cool game although people thought the special moves were a myth. The control wasn't as pinpoint as SF2, so pulling off a hadoken, shoryuken, or tetsumakisenpukyaku was difficult even if you knew the motions and there was no Gamepro or EGM to tell you how to do the moves. The people that figured them out didn't tell anyone because all it took was two specials to KO your opponent. Street Fighter 1 also had really bad voices. It was cool at the time hearing your opponent speak after kicked his put but everyone had the same voice and it sounded like the voices from SF2 on Genesis....can you say laryngitis(sp?)
Anyway I love fighters especially 2D fighters. I wish Capcom would get off of there ass and make a Street Fighter 4. The 15th anniversary of Street Fighter was last year and Capcom didn't do jack. Of course they are celebrating the 15th anniversary of Megaman this year even though Mega Man 1 came out in 1987, so this is the 16th anniversary of Megaman. It amazes me, after all these years Capcom still can't count. They will probably release a 15th anniversary SF game this year since its really the 16th anniversary of Street Fighter....well counting the arcade version of SF1 the 15th anniversary was 2001. Damn I'm starting to count like Capcom.
Oh and just in case you can't tell, I'm a Nintendo fan that loves Fighting games.
Darc Requiem
Post by: Ghost Rider on May 28, 2003, 05:17:43 PM
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Originally posted by: kelleman
I am really surprised to hear so many of you slam on the controller. I thought the lot of you were 9 year olds. J/K
Anyway, what I want to say is that I have absolutely no problems with the D-pad. I'm 28 yrs old, 140 pounds (+ or - 5 pounds), and 5'6". I play Bloody Roar with the D-pad mostly and I prefer that set up. My hands don't cramp or get blistered at all unless I use the control stick. I'm just puzzled is all. Some of you must be 6' tall to not be able to use the D-pad. Most Americans are like me- average height. Oh well... I'm off to pre-order Metal Gear Solid and R: Racing Evolution. Oh yeah... and Rebel Strike!!!
hey, im 6' and 195lbs. and i can use the d-pad. of course, i wish it were bigger, but it is doable
Post by: PIAC on May 28, 2003, 05:35:19 PM
SSB is a fighting game, just a non traiditional one
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 28, 2003, 06:07:18 PM
I like some fighting games, but I'm hesitant on laying down $40-50 on a 1-on-1 title.
Post by: ThePerm on May 28, 2003, 10:12:06 PM
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 29, 2003, 04:16:36 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
no Gamepro or EGM ? Are you sure.. i htink i have soem from before sf was released.
I'm may be wrong but I almost positive that there was no EGM or Gampro back in 1986 when the arcade game came out or in 1987 when the game was released on the Turbo Graphx 16 CD. Even if they were out I know for a fact that the didn't have extensive Street Fighter coverage. Now they had a ton of coverage, combos, movelists, etc. when Street Fighter 2 World Warriors was released.
Darc Requiem
