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Title: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Hey Einstein! on September 17, 2012, 10:05:41 AM
5 reasons not to buy the Wii U in typical poorly worded and badly researched fashion from the Sun. The UK's premier tabloid news paper for stupid stories about video games:
 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/article4542882.ece (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fun/gaming/article4542882.ece)


The general gist is that it's not as good as a PS3 and a Vita (which I have, and the comparison is lost on me) and people should hold off until the price cut.


Should earn them a few clicks, just posted here for you to enjoy the idiocy.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: MagicCow64 on September 17, 2012, 02:22:01 PM
"Neither truly handheld in the same way as the DS nor as multi-player as the Wii, the new console will take some time getting used to."

Not as multi-player? I have a mild suspicion that the writer hasn't really been paying attention . . .

Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Caterkiller on September 17, 2012, 03:06:08 PM
I should wushu chop this writer.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 17, 2012, 03:34:24 PM
It's fun to read the comments that pretty much refute everything he says.  And the majority are better written than this article.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2012, 04:00:49 PM
I Wish someone would quote the interesting parts of the article so that we don't contribute to the free hits that the article was designed to get.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 17, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
I Wish someone would quote the interesting parts of the article so that we don't contribute to the free hits that the article was designed to get.

Some that stand out to me:

"1. It'll be out-dated within a year

It's no secret that Microsoft and Sony are gearing up for the next generation of consoles, with the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 expected to land next year.

Microsoft even had the new console at THIS year's E3, just in case Sony announced the PS4, so it's likely that the Wii U will be old news within six months of release.

If and when that does happen, expect the price to tumble. "

"If you've got a PS3 then, frankly, you're better off buying a Vita than a Wii U. Title-wise, gaming-wise and quality-wise, it's a one-sided match-up. "

"3. The threat to all consoles - mobile gaming

£239 on a console? That's a lifetime's supply of iPhone apps

While the Xbox and PS3 can just about see off the iPhone'sthreat, the Wii U hasn't much in its armoury."

"4. DS + Wii = fail?

OK, so it's a botched equation, but you catch my drift. The DS/3DS and the Wii each served their market well. They knew who they were for and they succeeded because of it.

In many ways, the Wii U is a bizarre middle-ground between the two - and it doesn't sit easily in either camp.

Neither truly handheld in the same way as the DS nor as multi-player as the Wii, the new console will take some time getting used to."

"5. It's dramatically over-priced

It's money that could be saved for the next Xbox or PlayStation because, let's face it, they're not going to come cheap, either.

But all the signs point to a fairly swift price reduction post-Christmas - especially after E3 2013 next June, when at least one, if not two, superior competitors will be unveiled. "
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: MrPhishfood on September 17, 2012, 06:01:41 PM
I'm from the UK and god I hate The Sun so much. This was way before they slammed the Wii U. The whole thing is a gossip rag for the uneducated masses.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 17, 2012, 06:19:03 PM
I am not from the UK and don't read The Sun, but I do like Wrestlecast (which is a wrestling podcast from The Sun which interviews WWE and TNA stars when they come to the UK).
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 17, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
It's not so much that the Sun slams Wii U, but in an editorial, an author gives his opinion.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Shaymin on September 17, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
Justice for the 96.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: MrPhishfood on September 18, 2012, 04:44:04 AM
It's not so much that the Sun slams Wii U, but in an editorial, an author gives his opinion.
That's why The Sun is so terrible. They always give their opinion. Always.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on September 18, 2012, 09:31:07 AM
Let me start by saying the Sun is a rag and I hate everything it represents in journalism.
 
Having said that, I agree that for me there are no blockbuster launch releases (at least none that would justify the price tag) and I've yet to see a game which makes a convincing argument for why the Gamepad should exist. I'm fully open to the possibility that when I actually get my hands on Nintendoland that opinon might change, but as it stands currently I'm not convinced.
 
I also agree with the sentiment that it will be out of date in a year. I would actually go further. I would argue that the Wii U is out of date right now and it hasn't even been released yet. The Wii was outdated as well and yet it went on to have a long and relatively fruitful lifespan, but the fact remains that the Wii U is likely to be leapfrogged in the next 12 months. For many that's meaningful, and I can completely understand why certain gamers would be hestitant to purchase a Wii U for that very reason.
 
I would also agree that for many the system is over-priced. It certainly is for me.
 
Hardly any of what was said in that article could be described as 'slamming the Wii' as far as I'm concerned. I'd say it is better described as 'Sun points out some obvious and widely acknowledged hurdles for the Wii U'.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 18, 2012, 09:35:12 AM
Everything in the article was BS and crap, likely a anti-Nintendo fanboy.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: broodwars on September 18, 2012, 09:42:54 AM
There are valid concerns in the article, but as expected it's poorly researched and just not well-thought-out in general.  The argument about why you would get a Wii U when you can just get a Vita especially raised an eyebrow with me.  Yeah, I own a Vita and like playing games on the thing, but the Wii U will very quickly at launch support more quality games than the Vita currently does (though I still like the Vita's exclusive games more).
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: lolmonade on September 18, 2012, 10:00:02 AM
I reject the notion that buying a Vita for PS3 owners is the equivalent of having the Wii U control scheme.  Even if Sony has that as a control option in some games, just like the PS Move, Sony will get some publishers to push support for some games, but it'll rarely be used in that functionality. 
 
For the Wii U, because it is the primary control scheme, the Wii U tablet controller will be utilized in nearly every game available.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 10:48:35 AM
I recall similar anti-Nintendo media bias bullshit in regards to the Wii back in 2006.

I'll never forget one analyst's prediction that the Wii was going to sell 18 million (or something like that) units over its lifetime and would be in a distant third. As we all know, he couldn't have been further from the truth. I just wish there was some way to make these people eat their words when they end up being proven wrong. They should get fired or something. Its very frustrating that they can say all this **** and get away with it.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Hey Einstein! on September 18, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
Some times I wonder why I bother with forums......
to those who disagree with my title "The Sun slams the Wii U" - I have no patience for your pedantic despotism. I think that statements like "Wii+DS=Fail" and describing the Wii U as "drastically over priced" constitute a slam.
Please note my use of the term "I think" and accept that yours is not the only opinion of worth on the whole internet. Several UK game sites picked up on the story too, CVG described it thusly:
"...to categorically instruct readers to not buy a new console - one built by the most experienced console maker in history, no less - is pushing things a bit far."



ANYWAY. I shared the Sun piece because it is very badly written and shows little understanding of how the gamepad works and what it does  (even less of how the Vita works and what software is available for it). Which I found funny. A bit annoying too, but mostly funny.
So far as I can tell just Little Big Planet 2 and 4 PS2 HD remakes offer similar features to the Gamepad when used with a Vita - and that's it. It's all an experiment for Sony and there are no other announced games that are planned to build on it, yet. Compared with all of the Wii U launch window games using Gamepad features in some way, and with it being a core aspect of the console (which the Vita will never be for PS3 owners) all future releases are likely to continue to support it. Again, I am a Vita owner and I like it. It ain't a Gamepad.


I do think that Wii U is over priced, but not "drastically" so, I will follow the Sun's one decent piece of advice and wait to see if there is a price cut next year. Also, they are right about the lack of decent exclusives (so far anyway).


Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Hey Einstein! on September 18, 2012, 10:57:46 AM
I just wish there was some way to make these people eat their words when they end up being proven wrong. They should get fired or something. Its very frustrating that they can say all this **** and get away with it.


"You thought the Wii would be a flop, your kids deserve to sleep in a family sized card board box!"


Hmmm, I'd be pretty upset if I got sacked for publicly expressing an incorrect opinion on the industry I work in.


I think the lesson from this thread is that some journalism is worthless. Water is wet. Fire is hot. The internet breeds extremities of opinion, etc.

Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on September 18, 2012, 12:00:05 PM

to those who disagree with my title "The Sun slams the Wii U" - I have no patience for your pedantic despotism. I think that statements like "Wii+DS=Fail" and describing the Wii U as "drastically over priced" constitute a slam.

Please note my use of the term "I think" and accept that yours is not the only opinion of worth on the whole internet.


Not sure if that was aimed at me, but in case it was I just thought I should highlight that all my points were also qualified with superfluous statements like 'as far as I'm concerned' and 'I'd argue'. I say superfluous because whom else's opinion would I be giving if not my own. Everyone on the internet is so quick to jump on anything that comes close to an opinion, however, that I learned long ago that such qualifiers are necessary lest someone take anything said the wrong way.
 
So, of course I am aware that my opinion is not the ONLY one of worth on the internet...but in my opinion it is the most worthy.  ;D
 
It's a 'some pigs are more equal than others' kind of deal.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: MrPhishfood on September 18, 2012, 12:16:42 PM
I don't fully agree that it will be outdated.

Has everyone seen the Samaritan demo from Epic games?


This is what next gen is supposed to look like right?

If this is what you expect the next Xbox and PlayStation will achieve. Well I got bad news for you. This demo was at GDC 2011 running on graphics cards that even by todays prices would cost up to $1100 (£700) There is no way Microsoft or Sony could put something that expensive in their next console, no one could afford it.

I've practically got next-gen console hardware sitting in my computer, my graphics card cost me $400 (£250) 4 months ago and it's really not that impressive because for the last 4-5 years graphics technology has stagnated. Sure we're seeing bigger and better numbers from Nvidia and ATI but what we're actually seeing with our eyes are tiny improvements that you wouldn't actually notice unless someone pointed it out to you.

Microsoft's and Sony's next gen will be the difference between the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5.

In what I predict in next gen will be a slight bump in graphics, probably equivalent to the Star Wars demo at E3. We'll be seeing games rendered at 1080p resolution but mainly more of the same stuff we've been seeing from this generation.


The most significant  factor for consoles to stand apart from each other are what people refer to as gimmicks. I think every platform will have its own motion-like control style.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 18, 2012, 12:55:58 PM
The "out-dated in a year" piece is the only one with any real merit.  That IS a big concern.  Since the Wii U was even rumoured the most important thing was that Nintendo not skimp on the hardware and get leapfrogged by their competitors.  That's part of why I'm waiting to make purchase.  Mostly I just don't want to get burned again like I did with the Wii but seeing where Sony and MS lie and what effect that has on Wii U third party support is important, too.

With Nintendo quickly cutting the 3DS price I can see why one would suggest that people wait on a Wii U purchase.  What if that happens again?  If waiting a few months knocks down the price of the purchase why not do it?  At worst you buy the thing at full price at a later date.  It's not like new consoles have tons of awesome games right at launch anyway.

There was a real anti-Wii bias when the Wii came out and it has remained.  The reason why is because the Wii was NOT the product that the general gaming population wanted.  It was the product the non-gamers and the casuals wanted.  With the Wii U anyone who didn't like the Wii does not want the Wii U to be another Wii.  They want it to be a gamer's system or they want it to outright fail to force Nintendo back into focusing on core gaming.  The only people who want a repeat of the Wii years are diehard Nintendo fans or casual non-gamers who don't even know the Wii U is a thing yet.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
Nintendo didn't skimp on the hardware per se. Its just that they invested a large chunk into the tablet controller. Hasn't it been said it costs $150? I don't know if I believe it really costs that much, but either way its still an expensive piece of hardware. Unfortunately, in order to have such an advanced and expensive piece of technology and have it bundled with a console for only $300 you have to make cuts in the console hardware.

The Wii U console is more than adequate to handle current gen games, and Nintendo's support will be there for the life of it, but what about 3rd party developers? If the Xbox420 rumor of having 8GB of RAM is true it shows the 2GB Wii U has only 1/4th the power. I know people say graphics have hit a wall and no longer matter, but other game related things do matter like physics, AI, and so forth. A developer who designs a game for the PS420 which takes full advantage of their specs will be able to make a Wii U version which looks identical with 1080 HD graphics, but cuts might have to be made in the things which are going on behind the graphics. In many cases this might not even be noticeable, but it will depend on the game and how taxing it is on the hardware.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: MrPhishfood on September 18, 2012, 02:18:09 PM
If the Xbox420 rumor of having 8GB of RAM is true it shows the 2GB Wii U has only 1/4th the power. I know people say graphics have hit a wall and no longer matter, but other game related things do matter like physics, AI, and so forth. A developer who designs a game for the PS420 which takes full advantage of their specs will be able to make a Wii U version

I would think AI and physics to be something CPU related. AI has only become a problem when for me on games like Supreme Commander where the game is trying to simulate the behaviour of hundreds of independant units at once, not to be confused with Total War where what looks to be like 100 units are actually a single entity. Also physics look like they only really matter if it impacts gameplay as in the case with CellFactor: Revolution and Battlefield 3. Even the 360 could handle the natural destruction in BF3.

I think 8GB RAM is a little overkill (2 or 3 sounds more conservative) at least if its only reserved for games. Reason for this is because you have to account for the load time on disc (if Sony and MS use discs that is) The Wii U will have 21MB/s read speed, spread that over 1GB and it takes up to 48 seconds to read 1GB from the disc in to memory, though I seriously doubt you'd need a full 1GB to get a game up and running this is just an example.

Consoles just don't have the luxury of loading everything from the hard disk like a PC does.

The whole point of the screen, gyros, camera, microphone on the Wii U pad is that Nintendo are once again trying to differentiate themselves from the competition. They are essentially trying to get developers to dedicate their game to Nintendo's platform, to take full advantage of the Wii U pad. So that a game built for the Wii U from the ground up could not be playable on any other console. Whether this plan will work out remains to be seen.

I'm still very skeptical of next-gen and after reading this Penny Arcade Report (http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/lay-offs-and-studio-closures-the-high-risk-world-of-aaa-game-development-of) it only reinforces my skeptism. Too long to read? AAA games very expensive, cant risk innovation, very high bar for success, failure = find new job.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 18, 2012, 03:12:40 PM
Early on I was legitimate afraid Nintendo was going to release like Xbox 360 level hardware.  I was afraid they were going to go the same route as the Wii and intentionally use last gen hardware.  They didn't do that, thankfully.  At the very least the Wii U looks to be the most powerful videogame system of all... for now.  There was no way Nintendo could avoid this.  The Wii was not going to last any longer so they couldn't wait for everyone else and match appropriately.  They had to guess what was good enough and no matter what Sony and MS were going to beat them, it was just a matter of how much.  That's a pretty lousy situation to create for yourself but that's where things are.

So really it's time to just see how much Sony and MS top them and hope it's not enough to cause the third party problems of last gen.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2012, 03:23:23 PM
I was still impressed by many Wii games despite the paltry and utterly disgusting 480p graphics. Wii U games should hold up since the hardware is pushing HD graphics. Orbis/Durango games will look better, but the gap will be smaller than ever. I'll never look at a game like Uncharted 3 and think it looks bad. In fact, I still think the original Metroid Prime on Gamecube looks amazing.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Caterkiller on September 18, 2012, 03:33:40 PM
Some times I wonder why I bother with forums......
to those who disagree with my title "The Sun slams the Wii U" - I have no patience for your pedantic despotism. I think that statements like "Wii+DS=Fail" and describing the Wii U as "drastically over priced" constitute a slam.
Please note my use of the term "I think" and accept that yours is not the only opinion of worth on the whole internet. Several UK game sites picked up on the story too, CVG described it thusly:
"...to categorically instruct readers to not buy a new console - one built by the most experienced console maker in history, no less - is pushing things a bit far."



ANYWAY. I shared the Sun piece because it is very badly written and shows little understanding of how the gamepad works and what it does  (even less of how the Vita works and what software is available for it). Which I found funny. A bit annoying too, but mostly funny.
So far as I can tell just Little Big Planet 2 and 4 PS2 HD remakes offer similar features to the Gamepad when used with a Vita - and that's it. It's all an experiment for Sony and there are no other announced games that are planned to build on it, yet. Compared with all of the Wii U launch window games using Gamepad features in some way, and with it being a core aspect of the console (which the Vita will never be for PS3 owners) all future releases are likely to continue to support it. Again, I am a Vita owner and I like it. It ain't a Gamepad.


I do think that Wii U is over priced, but not "drastically" so, I will follow the Sun's one decent piece of advice and wait to see if there is a price cut next year. Also, they are right about the lack of decent exclusives (so far anyway).




Wasn't nobody disagreeing with you. The title fits and your mad at nothing. Post more!
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2012, 03:57:59 PM
utterly disgusting 480p graphics.

For most of our lives 480p graphics was all we knew. Its funny how something that a decade ago was standard, normal, and accepted is now rejected and spit on. No one complained about the N64, Gamecube, and so on having lousy 480p output, but with the Wii that's all you hear these days.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2012, 04:37:11 PM
For most of our lives 480p graphics was all we knew. Its funny how something that a decade ago was standard, normal, and accepted is now rejected and spit on. No one complained about the N64, Gamecube, and so on having lousy 480p output, but with the Wii that's all you hear these days.
(http://i.imgur.com/oaNSV.jpg)

For clarification, "paltry and utterly disgusting 480p graphics" was not to be taken seriously. Refer to previous post for context.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: broodwars on September 18, 2012, 04:42:06 PM
utterly disgusting 480p graphics.

For most of our lives 480p graphics was all we knew. Its funny how something that a decade ago was standard, normal, and accepted is now rejected and spit on. No one complained about the N64, Gamecube, and so on having lousy 480p output, but with the Wii that's all you hear these days.

HD TVs were also not very common in those days, where SD graphics look considerably worse.  Now HD TVs are commonplace, and standards change to fit what looks good in high resolution.  Standards change over time as tastes and technology evolve.  That's normal.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Mop it up on September 18, 2012, 04:49:49 PM
No one complained about the N64, Gamecube, and so on having lousy 480p output, but with the Wii that's all you hear these days.
The Nintendo 64 can't output 480p. The majority of games are 240i, with a select few being 480i.

HD TVs were also not very common in those days, where SD graphics look considerably worse
It depends on the TV, SD content looks better on my new TV than on my CRT. I think the bigger issue is that the average TV is larger now, and so you can really see the pixels (i.e. jaggies) that make up the games because of how much larger they are.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 18, 2012, 05:50:16 PM
Graphics aren't the issue.  My concern has never been that Wii U games might not be pretty.  The issue has always been the hardware gap being large enough that third parties don't support the Wii U.  Everyone said the same thing about Wii graphics being good enough.  Well that's all fine and good but third parties did not share the same sentiment.  They just ignored the Wii.  Were they "wrong" in doing so?  Who cares?  All that matters is that they didn't make games for it.  So while you can feel good that you're not a graphics whore, that self-satisfactory feeling is not worth more to me than actual games.

If it was up to what I feel is "good enough" graphically we'd all still be playing Super Nintendo.  Our opinion of what graphics or what hardware is "good enough" means squat.  What do the developers feel is good enough?  That indicates what games we actually get.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Louieturkey on September 18, 2012, 06:12:46 PM
If it was up to what I feel is "good enough" graphically we'd all still be playing Super Nintendo.  Our opinion of what graphics or what hardware is "good enough" means squat.  What do the developers feel is good enough?  That indicates what games we actually get.
Not really.  If a developer decided all they were going to make was SNES level graphics games and nobody bought those games, the company would go out of business.  If enough people buy those games to make the company a profit, then those games were justified.  Why developers make the games, those same games are dictated by what people are actually buying.  The only games out there that are solely up to the developers are ones that are independent and made the game completely without a publisher, then published it online themselves without any money from kickstarter or another publisher.  They also would have to make it for themselves only because if they made it with intent to sell it, they would have to make it accessible to more than just themselves.

So all I'm really saying is there are many factors dictating what graphics are used including the developer, the publisher, the media, and the public that buys the games.  It's not up to just one entity.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 01:39:57 AM
Everyone said the same thing about Wii graphics being good enough.  Well that's all fine and good but third parties did not share the same sentiment.  They just ignored the Wii.  Were they "wrong" in doing so?  Who cares?  All that matters is that they didn't make games for it.

That was exactly the reason Sega gave for not bringing the latest Sonic game to the Wii. They said it "couldn't be done" because the Wii didn't have HD graphics. But did it really need to be in HD? The same goes for Crapcom and Resident Evil 5 and Street Fighter IV. Both of those games COULD have been brought to the Wii, and both of those games would have sold well enough to justify the effort, but they rather just ignore it instead.

Graphically speaking third parties will no longer have this excuse on the Wii U, because it can pull 1080p and the PS420 isn't going to be doing any better than that. But that doesn't mean they won't find other excuses not to support Nintendo hardware... they always seem to.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 07:35:53 AM
I'm sure the Wii couldn't handle certain games. Sonic Generations most likely wasn't one of them. There was a 3DS version after all. However, Sega did make Sonic Colors exclusive to Wii/DS the previous year so the absence of Sonic Generations probably had more to do with the lack of available teams. I suppose they could have farmed the game out to some random development team, but that certainly has its own set of cons.

It's hard to blame some of these companies for just not wanting to spend the resources on a Wii version of a game that may or may not sell. I get that, even if many companies left money on the table, but hindsight is 20/20 is and all that. Fortunately, Wii U won't have that problem for at least a few years because 3rd parties can just port games over, practically as is. Sure, they may not use the extra power, but I think fans should be happy to get the games as long as they aren't sloppy.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 08:36:44 AM
I'm sure the Wii couldn't handle certain games.

I disagree. COD Black Ops and MW3 were ported onto the Wii... albeit in watered down forms. If those technically demanding games can exist on the Wii, then anything could have.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: broodwars on September 19, 2012, 08:41:39 AM
I don't know why you get so hung up on Resident Evil 5, Chozo.  The game kind of sucked, anyway, and pointer controls wouldn't have fixed its main flaws.  Plus, that game is heavily designed around its online Co-Op element (which I think is its biggest problem), which the Wii definitely would have struggled to handle.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 08:42:14 AM
And many companies don't want to water their games down. Selling a game known to be watered down already stacks the odds against it succeeding.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 19, 2012, 09:13:38 AM
And many companies don't want to water their games down. Selling a game known to be watered down already stacks the odds against it succeeding.

Every company wants to make money. The Wii had the largest install base and market share. Games like Resident Evil 4 sold well enough. So the RE fanbase is present on Nintendo systems, and has been since the Gamecube years. Why just kick them to the curb the way Capcom did? Sure, they made those half assed on rails spin offs, which no one wanted and didn't sell very well, and then Capcom whined and used that as a pretext to cut off further support.

And tell me how complicated is a 1 vs. 1 fighting game like Street Fighter IV to pull off? Sure, the Wii can't do HD, but in every other respect SFIV would have been doable. Fighting games do not demand uber hardware.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: broodwars on September 19, 2012, 09:30:58 AM
Games like Resident Evil 4 sold well enough. So the RE fanbase is present on Nintendo systems, and has been since the Gamecube years. Why just kick them to the curb the way Capcom did? Sure, they made those half assed on rails spin offs, which no one wanted and didn't sell very well, and then Capcom whined and used that as a pretext to cut off further support.

1.  There's nothing half-assed about the Resident Evil Chronicles games.  Just because they're in a genre you don't like, that doesn't make them "half-assed".  Both games have pretty high production values for their genre; both are fairly long home console experiences with plenty of replay value; and I felt both had a very genuine Resident Evil feel to them (just without all the inane puzzles that series used back in the day).  Actually, I think I enjoyed Darkside Chronicles more than Resident Evil 5.

2.  Umbrella Chronicles sold well enough to justify a sequel.  Only Darkside Chronicles (which I think was a far better game, but simply released too late) didn't sell particularly well.

Honestly, I think the games that killed Capcom's support for the Wii weren't the RE Chronicles games.  I think you could point to the failure of Zack & Wiki and the less-then-stellar performance (compared to Japan) of Monster Hunter Tri in the West.
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: Adrock on September 19, 2012, 09:38:28 AM
@Chozo
I'll try to address everything but we're straying already. I said the Wii couldn't handle "certain games." Some couldn't be done at all while others would have to be "watered down" as you put it. I'm not disputing that some games could have been brought over, watered down or not. Each game is a case by case basis and 3rd parties decide what is and is not worth it. For the most part and this is just my opinion, I think 3rd parties did not want to make a Wii specific version of most of their games. This should, by all means, change for a while on Wii U since porting is ridiculously easy now/for now. Didn't Vigil Games say last year that they ported assets of the PS3/360 versions of Darksiders II to Wii U dev kits in like 3 weeks?

Sure, Street Fighter IV could probably be done on the Wii. There's a 3DS version after all and the power of the hardware is similar. Capcom just didn't think it was worth bringing over. I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't buy it on 3DS and I certainly wouldn't have bought it on the Wii. I presume Capcom decided that 3DS and Wii reach different audiences and a portable version was a better opportunity for profit.

@Brood
Yeah, I liked the Chronicles games for what they were. They were fun even if I would have preferred a RE4 style game built from the ground up for the Wii.

How has Monster Hunter done on PS2/PSP? Are the less than stellar sales of Monster Hunter Tri more likely the result of the series general popularity in the US or the way games perform on the Wii?
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: broodwars on September 19, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
How has Monster Hunter done on PS2/PSP? Are the less than stellar sales of Monster Hunter Tri more likely the result of the series general popularity in the US or the way games perform on the Wii?

Well, just on a cursory search, this Siliconera article (http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/29/monster-hunter-freedom-unite-sales-struggled-in-the-west/) notes that Capcom was disappointed with the sales of Monster Hunter Freedom Unite in North America. I can't find any official sales numbers, but VGChartz is listing Freedom Unite as selling 920,000 combined units (http://www.vgchartz.com/game/18542/monster-hunter-freedom-unite/) and Freedom 2 as selling 590,000 combined units (http://www.vgchartz.com/game/3837/monster-hunter-freedom-2/) in the West.  And remember, VGChartz probably inflated those numbers.  By contrast, Monster Hunter Tri (according to Siliconera (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/07/30/monster-hunter-tri-moves-690000-units-in-the-west/)) only sold 690,000 combined units on the Wii in the West.

So yeah, considering the install bases for the Wii and PSP, I think Tri's mere "sleeper hit" status was a disappointment for Capcom outside Japan (especially with Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe footing their region's server bills).
Title: Re: The Sun slams the Wii U - Water is wet.
Post by: EasyCure on September 22, 2012, 12:55:51 AM
It's not so much that the Sun slams Wii U, but in an editorial, an author gives his opinion.
That's why The Sun is so terrible. They always (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzEbA2hTdbY&feature=related#t=2m24s) give their opinion. Always (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzEbA2hTdbY&feature=related#t=2m24s).


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