Post by: Armed on May 14, 2003, 04:51:15 PM
......or is there (remembering how the rise of PS started)?
Post by: dmbfan755 on May 14, 2003, 04:55:15 PM
Post by: Ace of Spades on May 14, 2003, 05:25:28 PM
Post by: Joey on May 14, 2003, 05:29:14 PM
Post by: NintendoKiD on May 14, 2003, 06:02:13 PM
Post by: Armed on May 14, 2003, 06:07:34 PM
or
if the PSP just sucks, like battery life, loading time with discs, expensive games, uncomfortable to carry around, price of handheld etc....
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 14, 2003, 06:08:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Joey
I think if Nintendo does not make any major mistakes this time they should be in good shape.
spoken like a mastermind
just kiddin man .. i really hope that nintendo gets a cheap media medium to use.. i am willing to sacrifice the backwards compatability if it is necessary for the portable gaming industry to move on (actually i want portable gaming to stay 2D.. thanks a lot Sony ... so really what i meant to say was i am willing to sacrifice the backwards compatability in order for Nintendo to prosper.. and as i do, the world shall do once i implant subliminal messages in Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Halo 2, and Grand Theft Auto: [insert city] MWHAAhaa )
Post by: Mario on May 14, 2003, 06:33:54 PM
Oh yeah and Mario, Zelda etc.
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 14, 2003, 06:38:59 PM
Post by: Zeth on May 14, 2003, 06:53:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Perfect Cell
The litle thing nobody mentions is the propertary media that Sony will use, those Sony Mini Disks will be much more expensive for third parties than the GBA Cartridges... so Nintendo does have an advantage
...uh ... how the heck do you know that?
Post by: KDR_11k on May 14, 2003, 08:29:55 PM
Post by: greenwood on May 14, 2003, 08:37:40 PM
Asking if the GBA stands a chance would have been like asking, "Does the PS2 stand a chance?" when the GCN and Xbox were announced. We all know how that's turned out. Sony is doing this to make money and I think they will make money but there's no way the PSP is any kind of threat to the GBA.
Post by: nonjagged on May 15, 2003, 01:17:19 AM
Yup Nintendo launched GBA SP nad made a killing.
Youd have to be fairly slow not to speculate that when Sony launch their PSX Handheld (due for late 2004) that Nintendo will have its N64 Handheld ready.
Would consumers buy a Handheld for FF7 (as MGS1 is on the GCN) or would they buy a handheld for 64 bit games/technology with build-in SD adapters and wireless connectivity to the next Gamecube?
I agree the question you should be asking is whether or not Sony pays billions to get exclusive franchises off the next Nintendo Handheld and surely one would think by the end of E3 2004 M$ will have revealed all of its plans for its handheld its secretly working on together with Rare.
In my opinion M$'s handhelds will one day even eclipse the GBA market becuase M$ has so many PC franchises it can just pluck that are out there already, without the need for Rare to make Nintendo clones.
Sony on the other hand needs to pay up a great deal to get exclusive franchises that will sell its handheld.
While Nintendo just make games.
Post by: PIAC on May 15, 2003, 01:24:07 AM
what other areas could microsoft move into :\
i just had a scary idea... isn't this how the whole datadyne/terminater thing got started
edit: there are 3 threads on this subject, including this one :\ perhaps 4, something tells me mods wont be happy
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on May 15, 2003, 03:02:19 AM
so what
by 2005 the new GBA will be around and is sure to kick sonys psp ass
GBA cant be defeated, they might take like 5% market share
Post by: jarob on May 15, 2003, 06:13:05 AM
Post by: muzein on May 15, 2003, 06:58:29 AM
I think portables need to stick to mainly 2d gaming. For it truely to be called portable I think it needs to be able to slip into a pocket and not be a problem. With 3d games you need a larger screen, which is what the PSP is doing...but the larger screen immediatly takes away the small portable size. I just cant see a portable based entirely around 3d gaming being a very viable system. Course I couldnt stand the PS1 either.....spent more time loading than playing.
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 15, 2003, 07:44:35 AM
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uh ... how the heck do you know that?
Propertary media is always expensive... Notice how the Gamecube mini disks are more expensive than PS2 or Xbox dvds...?
Post by: boggy b on May 15, 2003, 08:23:33 AM
Firstly, you bemoan the PSP claiming that it will be the end of 2D gaming. Then, you go on to say that it'll be crushed by an even more powerful GameBoy after released.
I mean, one second you're defending 2D gaming and then you don't care...
Second, you're all brushing aside PSP like it's another N-Gage. We're talking about SONY here. You know, the ones who demolished Nintendo and has sold the most consoles ever? The most POPULAR console makers on the planet? PlayStation is a respected brandname ALREADY; it doesn't need to market itself like N-Gage.
Thirdly, why SHOULD Nintendo be anywhere near releasing the next GBA? And for that matter, why would it be any more powerful than PSP? These are PROJECTED specifications - none of these units ACTUALLY exist yet. These are the type of specs that it WILL have, but that doesn't mean they wont get better.
Finally, you say that proprietary media is always more expensive, and use this as an example as to why Sony's will be more expensive than Nintendos. You just overlooked the fact that Nintendo use their OWN proprietary media, which is NOTORIOUSLY expensive: cartridges.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on May 15, 2003, 09:42:32 AM
Post by: MH-001 on May 15, 2003, 11:14:47 AM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 15, 2003, 11:40:08 AM
I think the more accurate question is does Sony have a chance. Nintendo's handheld system already has a user base of tens of millions of people and a library of literally thousands of games. So far, the PSP has a big, fat, red zero in both those areas. All it has are specs so far (although they are mighty impressive).
Post by: manunited4eva22 on May 15, 2003, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 15, 2003, 12:37:55 PM
Post by: )Dark-LInk( on May 15, 2003, 02:06:07 PM
And if nintendo is to stay with cartridges they should SEARCH for a new at least 1GB data capacity one...
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 15, 2003, 02:45:41 PM
Post by: )Dark-LInk( on May 15, 2003, 02:57:35 PM
Post by: Armed on May 15, 2003, 04:42:41 PM
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 15, 2003, 06:09:44 PM
Post by: )Dark-LInk( on May 15, 2003, 06:21:55 PM
Post by: Cap on May 15, 2003, 06:41:39 PM
instantly they would have 300 games or more for the system, and great ones at that. if they made gba games playable as well, sony wouldnt have a chance. i wouldnt be suprised if nintendo had this plan in the first place, and was probably a factor in their choice of the smaller disc size for gc. they would probably have to eat some hardware costs, but i think the market is theirs for a long time if they want it bad enough.
Post by: kennyb27 on May 15, 2003, 06:57:51 PM
QuoteHaha, that was funny, Microsoft make something portable, even considered small?....Oh wait, was that a joke?
i mean they could even call it the 'microbox' or something like that.
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 15, 2003, 07:18:34 PM
Post by: Tharkun on May 29, 2003, 09:25:24 AM
Post by: Andi 28 on May 29, 2003, 09:54:54 AM
Post by: Lanseryl on May 29, 2003, 10:14:51 AM
The adult market allowed the PSOne to become successfull, and Nintendo couldn't let that happen again. THe GBA Sp allows Nintendo to secure it : Nintendo doesn't have to respond to the PSP immediatly.
Post by: Cube323 on May 29, 2003, 02:03:35 PM
I briefly interned at $ony Pictures while I was in College. I found out that their publicity dept. will actually use any means neccessary when attempting to get the $ony message out. (Including making up non-existant movie reviewers.) I'm starting to wonder if that includes coming to rival fan sites and posting Idiot Threads like "nintendo is doomed."
With that out of the way, now I can say this. Although $ony has a strong brand name, for now, GBA is even stronger. Psp will come a year from now, after Nintendo has sold another 50 million or more, GBA:SP's world wide.
Plus there is the rumored price of the Psp, which has been estimated to be anywhere between $179 to $249!
Finally is everyone forgetting that $ony makes the worst quality electronics on the market today?! The PSX and the Ps2 are THE poorest quality game machines on the market. They are made with the cheapest parts and the most inexpensive labor $ony can find. Plus when they break down, usually just after the warranty expires, the official $ony company line is to blame the consumer! (i.e. "gamers shouldn't play their systems so much") People are starting to realize that $ony is corrupt and evil. Will they be willing to shell out around $200 for a handheld of dubious quality?
Plus, you realize that it has already been stated that the "GBA Next" is on it's way. All of these game companies spy on each other, it's a common practice. Nintendo knew about the Psp and I'm sure they are well prepared for it.
As for that Microsoft hand held "hokum," I wont even address that pure fiction. Rare can't even pull it's head out of it's ass long enough support a new handheld, even w/ M$ backing. Plus the X-box is still losing over $100 per system at retail and no one is buying games. You'd think they might want to solve that little problem first.
Thanks for your time
Post by: Neo X on August 02, 2003, 06:19:27 AM
Post by: Rich on August 02, 2003, 01:13:14 PM
-The PSP will have a 4.5 inch screen which is a big screen, but a big screen usually makes for a big console, which isnt a good thing when it is supposed to be portable. Thats 1 strike against Sony.
-Looking at the spec sheet, I wont lie, I'm impressed, but its also another strike against them. The parts for the PSP are gonna be expensive, making the price of the system very high. Now this is a portable machine and now one wants to pay $200 on something that they will only use on trips and stuff. Its also a turn off to parents. Thats 2 strikes against Sony
- The PSP looks to want to focus on 3d games and I dont think that this is a good idea. Making a 3d game is a lot more complex compared to making a 2d game. Many publishers like to make GBA games because they are cheap, easy to develop, and can be completed in a short amount of time compared to 3d games. If publishers are gonna make portable 3d games its gonna take a lot more time and money, which, in turn will definetly jack up the prices of the games. We would see PSP games selling for $50 and then turn around and see GBA games selling for the $30 dollars they been selling at. That is a major strike agains Sony because it will turn off publishers who don't want to spend so much making a portable game, and it will turn off consumers who don't want to spen so much buying a portable game.
-The last strike is the use of there media cd's or whatever cd's they use. It's a bad idea. Using discs causes 3 bad things. 1. the laser would eat up battery life. 2. load times. and 3. having to buy something to save games onto. Now who really wants to have to change there batterys every 6-7 hours they play, have to wait through load times to play, and then have to buy a memory stick just to save their game. I sure as hell don't.
so I basically think the PSP will fail because it will be the hardware will be big, expensive, and use a disc based format and because the software will be expensive. if I was wrong about something or you disagree with me or I forgot something please feel free to correct me. Oh and if Nintendo does release a new Game boy to fight off Sony (which I think they should) I think it would be best to be out first and they must have backwards compatibility.
Post by: Gup on August 02, 2003, 02:26:11 PM
Post by: AlphaDragoon2002 on August 02, 2003, 04:16:58 PM
P.S. Hey Gup, is that Kira from Gundam SEED in your avatar? That show is pimptight.
Post by: Gup on August 02, 2003, 04:27:35 PM
Post by: The Real Mario on August 02, 2003, 08:20:23 PM
Post by: Internet Nomad on August 02, 2003, 09:18:46 PM
Sony's only logical plan of action is to completely ignore the child demographic and target the adult audience. With MP3 and movie playing ability, this is apparently their plan. Even then, though, I don't know how many people want another handheld to go along with their Palm Pilots. Sony is crowing that the PSP will become the center of the handheld universe, when it's painfully obvious that the cell phone and only the cell phone will dominate. Phone capabilities are the only feature missing from Sony's Swiss Army Knife portable, and will ultimately stop the handheld from becoming huge.
Will Sony come mildly close to Nintendo's userbase? Hell no, lest they make something huger than Pokemon, arguably the biggest child phenomenon ever (though most of it's died down now, except for the games). Can they even make a profit? If they take a "loss for a gain" philosophy, losing money on each console sold, I'm not sure they can. They'd then become dependent on their software, and I'm sure lots of people would buy the console just to play MP3s and watch movies and whatnot. Thus, software remains on shelves, and Sony is in the hole, even if a fair amount of people are walking around with PSPs. Their only other option would be to charge an obscenely high price, alienating their thin-pocketed PS2 userbase.
Things will probably turn out moderately well for Sony. I'm sure it won't be a total failure, but I'm not sure we'll ever be seeing a PSP2.
Also, there's no reason to buy into Sony's BS PS specs (heh). They're undoubtedly overblown.
Post by: joeamis on August 02, 2003, 11:25:56 PM
because they're planning on having 10 million ready at launch.....
the main reason game consoles lower in price is because the companies
buy more parts for the console as the demand increases.
sony is taking a huge risk by producing 10 million to be ready at launch though.
as far as screen size of psp....well it only makes sense to have it 4.5 inches...
3d games require bigger screens in order to play them and who would want to watch a 2 hour movie on a 2 inch screen???
also nintendo cannot wait 2 years before challenging psp with a new gameboy... if they did that they could kiss there portable market share bye bye.
also, a 1 gb cartridge would be so expensive......no chance that's happening anytime soon, infact never probably...all consoles, portable or not, will abandon cartridges very soon.
Post by: BlkPaladin on August 02, 2003, 11:40:22 PM
Also it has been said that their next handheld won't be backwards compatible, so it kind of nixes out carts.
Post by: Bloodworth on August 02, 2003, 11:53:39 PM
