Post by: nolimit19 on May 12, 2003, 04:35:35 PM
capcom has announced their financial results for this past year.....basically it says that capcom games have sold poorly on xbox and ps2, and over achieved for gc.....but it goes on to say that developement is being cut down for gc and gba and production is going up for ps2 and xbox. so nintendo fans finally buy a 3rd party and exceed their expectations, and the developers just gave us a big F___ U.
capcom then goes on to say that they want to make re5 flexible to go to other consoles.....capcom can eat ass
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 12, 2003, 04:43:26 PM
So if you add up GCN and GBA it out sold PS2 and Xbox games... yet we get the shaft? Capcom seems to be smoking some funny mushrooms. Not only that but IGN hints that Dead Phoenix, the Panzeer dragoon like game might be cancelled. For Shame.... Capcom isnt as loyal as i thought they would
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 12, 2003, 04:44:45 PM
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Post by: Armed on May 12, 2003, 05:04:57 PM
And yeah that is weird how Capcom is not supporting GC and GBA more; hehehe it seems like Nintendo can't win with third parties; when they exceed expectation developers still back off and below expectation also less support. I hope this is a misquote like everyone is saying though, Capcom is one of my favorite third parties out there especially RE franchise and Street Fighter.
Post by: PIAC on May 12, 2003, 05:23:03 PM
me thinks capcom is being greedy, ofc they will up the ps2 support if gamecube is out selling it.. i mean look at the userbase difference :\ surely if they are making money it doesn't matter where it comes from though
sighnintendo could get burned by this and be even less trusting of third parties in the future :\
Post by: AlphaDragoon2002 on May 12, 2003, 05:31:29 PM
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Post by: nolimit19 on May 12, 2003, 05:41:04 PM
Post by: Gamefreak on May 12, 2003, 05:44:11 PM
Anyway, they need to release more games on Xbox and PS2 so they have a better chance of scoring a hit. Besides, notice how the PS2 and Xbox games are generally more low profile and low budget compared to the GCN ones - they can afford to make mistakes that way as long as a few of them do well...
I'm sure Capcom has thought this out already...
Post by: nolimit19 on May 12, 2003, 05:55:35 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 12, 2003, 06:09:07 PM
Why are Capcom going to push more games on Xbox? Did they somehow miss those sales of Steel Battelion in Japan?
Bah, it seems the cool thing to do these days, give Nintendo the arse. -_-
Post by: ThePerm on May 12, 2003, 06:11:45 PM
Post by: rpglover on May 12, 2003, 06:14:36 PM
personally i am surprised that the gc oversold on the original profits that they wanted
i think that they expected to sell more of re0 than they did
but i dont think they should pull support from gc and gba if those two are actually over what expectations were
xbox hasnt sold good for capcom, ps2 has done alright, but not up to expectations
as long as capcom releases the capcom 5 for the gc, i will be happy
but this is rediculous business management
maybe mikami should leave capcom and come over with his staff to work with nintendo......
Post by: Ymeegod on May 12, 2003, 06:21:47 PM
You have to figure that's $200--it's a bit steep for just ONE game. Though when the Online version is released I'm sure I'll get my hands on it.
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And Capcom didn't state it's increasing XBox support, all it stated was due to GC's sales (which excludes GBA) it's cutting back on a few projects. Can you blame them though? RE 4 (you have to count the DC/PS2 versions) sold roughly 3+ million WW while RE Remake sold about 1 million and RE 0 sold less than 700k. If you look an Onimusha or whatever it's called--it sold 1 million in japan (both 1 & 2).
The other capcom games didn't do so hot either, CvM2 & CvSNK2 were also on the GC though I bet 90% of the people don't recall seeing it on shelves. :0
Post by: Gamefreak on May 12, 2003, 06:29:11 PM
And Capcom did not meet their expectations for RE0 worldwide by like 300,000 units or something...I guess something (?) made up for that on GCN...
And RE Code: Veronica is not RE4..
Post by: The Doc on May 12, 2003, 06:35:09 PM
The Doc
Post by: Gamefreak on May 12, 2003, 06:41:35 PM
Anyway, Resident Evil 4 and Product Number 03 will be exclusive to GCN for sure...As for the others, Dead Phoenix is sort of in a coma. Viewtiful Joe is only in development for the GCN and they haven't even thought about porting it (The producer claimes if Joe doesn't sell well he can't make games anymore), but it's not out of the question. As for Killer 7, it's a little too early, but it will probably stay exclusive, but like Joe, nothing is certain.
I'm not sure about Gotcha Force, my guess is that it's a sealed deal too like RE4 and P.N.03...
Post by: greenwood on May 12, 2003, 07:53:43 PM
Here's the expected numbers for next year (which goes until the end of March 2004)
They expect GCN sales to be 2.2 million, down from 3.23 million this past year.
They expect Xbox sales to be 800,000, up from 280,000 this past year.
They still expect 1.4 million more sales from GCN compared to Xbox.
Why do they expect lower sales? Ask yourself this, what big name games from Capcom are coming out from now until the end of March 2004? None really. This is more a case of expecting lower sales rather than cutting games. Dead Phoenix is not dead, they just said there's nothing new to report on it. And the other games are still coming, although as alluded earlier V. Joe and Killer 7 may go multiplatform whereas P.N. 03 and RE4 are still exclusive.
Why do they expect more sales from Xbox this year (although still being much lower than GCN)? Simple, Dino Crisis 3 is releasing in a few months and that is considered a big game for Xbox. In fact, I think it's more telling that they only expect total sales of their Xbox games to be 800,000. Considering how long DC3 has been in development wouldn't you think they'd expect higher sales?
And all this crap about the exlusivity of the RE franchise should really stop. RE4 isn't coming out until (at the earliest) April 2004 in Japan which means a likely Christmas 2004 release here in NA. And if the next systems are supposed to come out in 2005 that would be the last RE game on the current consoles. And I suspect Nintendo will surprise a lot of people with their next system. Keep in mind that Yamuchi (I can't remember how you spell his name but you know who I mean) was in charge of the GCN but Iwata will be in charge of the next Nintendo machine and he's proven that he's not stuck in the past and unwilling to change.
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 12, 2003, 08:07:52 PM
I agree... They had another newsbyte on IGN regarding it... its almost like a broken frigging record
Post by: PIAC on May 12, 2003, 08:48:49 PM
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Post by: Grey Ninja on May 20, 2003, 04:39:29 PM
Original email:
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I just read on The Magic Box that Capcom is going to favor Xbox and PS2 consoles in the future, above GameCube. Might I inquire why that is? GameCube sales were the only ones that met expectations, and we didn't get nearly as many games as the PS2 in the last year. It just doesn't make good business sense to me to cut support to the gamers who appreciate your work the most. Is this a misquote?
Many of my fellow GameCube owners feel sort of shafted by this news, as we have bought your games, and love them to death, and now we get repaid for our patronage by not recieving as many games on our system of choice.
Any enlightenment as to the reasoning behind this, or simply a note saying that the news was in error would be appreciated.
Response:
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Hello,
Thank you for contacting Capcom. In regards to your inquiry, if you
take a look at the titles we've announced at E3, you can see how this is
not true. We have many great titles that are currently in production
for this console as well as the other consoles. We will be sure to let
you and all our avid fans know of any new developments as they arise.
You should continue to monitor our website at www.capcom.com for the
latest information regarding Capcom news.
Best Wishes,
Philip Navidad
Capcom Customer Service
408-774-0400
Post by: joeamis on May 20, 2003, 05:12:27 PM
hopefully more light will be shed on all this controversy in the near future
Post by: Reverse_Gecko on May 20, 2003, 05:34:45 PM
I wish companies would focus on making great games, not making money.
Post by: PIAC on May 21, 2003, 01:27:49 AM
*capcom gamecube fans colectivly breath a sigh of relief*
Post by: Termin8Anakin on May 21, 2003, 04:52:17 AM
Post by: The Matrixter on May 26, 2003, 04:15:18 PM
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on May 26, 2003, 04:26:30 PM
Besides, we have RE4 exclusive, which is expected to be one of the biggest games of 2004.
Post by: PIAC on May 26, 2003, 08:47:41 PM
no need to get up in arms about it
Post by: Matrix on May 26, 2003, 08:59:43 PM
[mumbling]Another Matrix? Damn movies. Now everyone is using it... It's always the Neo fans, too. Never the Reboot fans...[/mumbling]
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on May 26, 2003, 09:29:23 PM
But there isn't anything to be too worried about though, GCN looks to have good stuff coming.
RE4 being Capcoms most anticipated game and should really capitalise on this!
Post by: nolimit19 on May 27, 2003, 07:32:11 AM
"Capcom is planning to publish fewer number of titles for GameCube and GameBoy Advance, and increase support for PlayStation 2 and Xbox." and here is the chart
Platform
PlayStation 2
GameCube
Xbox
GameBoy Advance
Actual Sales in 2002
6,830,000
3,230,000
280,000
4,830,000
Originally Planned 2002
8,750,000
3,200,000
600,000
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Forecast for 2003
7,600,000
2,200,000
800,000
2,040,000
it doesnt make sense when the gc more then met its expectations(and i am sure gba did as wel) that they are lowering development for it. but as someone else pointed out.....maybe it just so happens that there just happen to be not many games coming out from capcom this year. hopefully capcom sees the good sales and increases overall game output to the cube.
Post by: Syl on May 27, 2003, 08:32:44 AM
Regardless, Capcoms expectations for this year went down for cube/GBA, simply because of the lack of games coming out. Most of the "capcom 5" won't be hitting untill someone next year, the only *major* title this year for the cube is Viewtiful Joe and PN. 03. They probably also took PN O3's sales in japan as a hint and lowered the expectations a little bit.
They are also currently coming out with a few major games for PS2/XBOX this year.
They try to cater to every system, If we had more games, PS2 owners would be bitching. Xbox owners are always bitching, but microsoft has money-hats, so they can buy whatever they want.
Capcom isn't cutting any support, I think they've actually just delayed games till next fiscal year, so they will be better. Which will allow better sales in the future.
Post by: greenwood on May 27, 2003, 08:00:43 PM
PS2- 31(!) titles totaling 7.6 million units
Onimusha 3- 700,000 in Japan
Onimusha Blade Warriors- 300,000 in Japan and 100,000 in NA
RE: Outbreak- 500,000 in Japan and 700,000 in NA
They expect (on average) to only sell a little less than 250,000 per game. Now, of course game like RE: Outbreak and Onimusha 3 are way over that average so that means they must expect some bad sales on some of their other games.
Xbox- 5 titles totaling 800,000 units
Dino Crisis 3- 60,000 in Japan and 300,000 in NA and 220,000 in Europe
They expect the other 4 games they release on Xbox to only sell a combined 220,000. That's 55,000 per game, spread across an unknow amount of regions.
GCN- 7 titles totaling 2.2 million units
No numbers but this doesn't include RE 4 at all.
They expect (on average) to sell a little less than 315,000 units per game.
GBA- 9 titles totaling 2.04 million units
No numbers here either.
They expect (on average) to sell just over 225,000 units per game.
If you look at it like this then you see that Capcom actually expects higher average sales on the GCN than any other platform. Makes you wonder why they don't bring more games to the GCN if they feel that way. Of course, to be fair, I'm sure the PS2 average is weighed down by small niche titles (many of them unannounced at this time) that won't sell well despite being good games.
