Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 08:50:37 AM
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 08:50:37 AM
i'm losing all faith in the gamecube to ever be able to compete with xbox or ps2 in the teen or mature games category. especially in first person shooters. the one that they have "metroid prime" is no competition with games like halo. why is nintendo letting a perfectly good system go to waste with kiddie games?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: lastexit on May 12, 2003, 08:55:32 AM
What are you, an editor for Variety?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: ThePerm on May 12, 2003, 08:57:32 AM
bull pappy! Your nothing more then Flaimbait. You Big Flamer!
you know i have been wwaiting for some flaimbait to log on just so i could call them Flamers...you know because of the conotation.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: thecubedcanuck on May 12, 2003, 09:07:40 AM
Even though this is simply a FLAME BATE topic, I will respond.
Nintendo had some of the best MATURE titles on the market, ever hear of Eternal darkness? What about the upcoming MGS made by silicon knights, or too human?
I agree the cube could use a good influx of shooters along the lines of timesplitters 2, but to say it lacks mature games just isnt all that factual, and trust me I use to feel the same way you do.
More violent games would be great, but the problem is not with nintendo as they dont make violent games, it is with the third parties not making their violent stuff for the cube.
So lay the blame where it should be laid.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 09:15:53 AM
i'm just stating what i've seen. i was wanting to know if there are any good mature fps type games coming out, don't just call me a flamer. i just think in order for the cube to compete they have to release some exclusive "M" games (specifically fps) to compete with games like halo 2.
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Zeth on May 12, 2003, 09:34:03 AM
... I'm sick of all this "Nintendo has to compete with Halo 2" crap ...
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 09:44:10 AM
what kind of a response is that? still no one has answered my question? you might be sick of hearing it but it's the truth.
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Mingesium on May 12, 2003, 09:44:45 AM
Nintendo is getting an exclusive version of Serious Sam.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 09:48:17 AM
serious sam, that'll be huge i'm sure. it already came out for xbox and didn't have any kind of impact because of the fps competition on xbox. i'm talkin really big 1st party exclusives, something original.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: ThePerm on May 12, 2003, 09:52:16 AM
im going to tell you something bud..on four button controllers...shooters suck. Big reason why goldeneye didnt have any shooter competition on the more popular playstation and why no one gives a crap about them now. Hell even with xbox six button controllr where the buttons are so mangled they made it so you had to use the joysticks to strafe and whatnot...one of the most annoying setups i ever dealt with. For shooters you can either have 6 button controllers n64 style(xbox blck and white buttons werent really used and their not even really accessable) or you can use a pc mouse and a keyboard....
i guess Sony better get some exclusive shooter out too..or else they'll never ever be able to compete with Halo 2. Oh wait the Japanese hate first person shooters.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 09:58:22 AM
ok, why do you say nintendo is struggling so hard to compete with microsoft and sony? you seem to know everything?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: ThePerm on May 12, 2003, 10:01:04 AM
why can't Microsoft sell a game or a system in Japan..you know everything. Also, how much money do you think MS has made on its little green box? Give me a big Negative number. Strugling. My ass they make 3 times as much money on software sales then Sony check the npd.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 10:05:17 AM
don't give me this japan crap. i don't live in japan and could care less why they don't like xbox. the point is nintendo is falling behind both sony and microsoft and i believe it's because it's viewed as a little kid's system. a good way to change that would be to bring out some good mature "exclusive" gamecube games. one or two good "EXCLUSIVE" fps wouldn't hurt either. you say the controller's too small for shooters. who's fault is that?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 10:14:53 AM
also... why do you think microsoft is losing so much money on their system and nintendo and sony are making so much? could it be that the xbox (with its 8 gb hard-drive, dvd player, modem, more powerful video card etc. etc.) cost a lot more to make? anyway, that hasn't seem to phase microsoft, they've already said they're in this for the long run.
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: PIAC on May 12, 2003, 10:18:16 AM
go buy a ps2 or xbox then. problem solved, and if you allready have one dont complain about lack of fps' you have the platforms to play them on. me personally i like teh kiddeh games, they are fun
also jc24 will get fat if you feed him anymore :\ dont feed the trolls
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: John Squire on May 12, 2003, 10:18:29 AM
who cares if they're falling behind? So what do you expect us to do about it? go buy an xbox. The GC is obviously for Nintendo games. To me, "teen" has worse connotations than "everyone" or "kids" ever did. What book for teenagers was ever a thought-provoking classic? At least good "kids" stories are chalkful of meaningful themes, ideas, and archetypal allegory/metaphor. There are very few truely mature games out there. Videogames are for the immature, and that is why I like them.
Oh, and FPS games (besides Goldeneye and Halo) suck.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: egman on May 12, 2003, 10:40:50 AM
I know this is flame bait, but I find it ridiculous that we see threads like this on NINTENDO boards.
Yes, GC is not doing as hot as Nintendo would like, but Microsoft is not either. The both of them are getting undeniably destroyed the PS2. While I agree that an exclusive, mature game would do a lot for Nintendo, the reality is that these things do not come out of thin air. It takes a minimum of 18 months to make a playable game from the ground up, so don't expect a GTA killer next week.
I suggest that we all wait until the end of the year to cleary see what Iwata has planned, because the pre E3 buzz has at least shown me that a lot behind the scenes stuff has been going to directly address Nintendo's issues. The company is listening but they can only move so fast.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: itsmedoods on May 12, 2003, 10:41:06 AM
why don't you make your own fps for the cube.
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Arbok on May 12, 2003, 10:44:51 AM
Oh my god! jc24 is right! I just looked at my collection of GCN games and realized that I don't have a single exclusive "mature" FPS title!
I have been in fault for all these years, oh I feel so horrible... I suppose the only solution would be to sell my GCN and go out and get a Xbox where these mature titles can be found. Oh thank you jc24 for pointing out this fault in my console, and opening my eyes.
... Just giving the troll what he wants... heh heh (yes that was 101% sarcastic).
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Camaro_92_25th on May 12, 2003, 11:31:00 AM
I know this is off the subject but I wish my GC had more LAN capabilities. I'm not bashing the cube but, I just wish there was more. That would be awesome.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 12, 2003, 11:32:32 AM
Surprised this dipwad hasn't been banned- mods must be taking a break or something.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Berto2K on May 12, 2003, 11:35:38 AM
I remember reading that the Serious Sam game was going to be all new, not the same crap that was on xbox or pc.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Ninja X on May 12, 2003, 11:40:00 AM
Quote Originally posted by: jc24 don't just call me a flamer.
Quote Originally posted by: jc24 you might be sick of hearing it, but it's the truth.
You might be sick of hearing flamer, but it's the truth.
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Rogue on May 12, 2003, 11:41:24 AM
Aren't games like Rogue Squadron or Spider-Man rated E? Everyone forgets about these types of games when considering the "maturity" of a console. If it's an E game, it's automatically assumed to be bright coloured and directed at children.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 12, 2003, 11:46:11 AM
"still no one has answered my question?"
No one's answered it because it's quite obvious it was the product of hours of deliberation by your sick, twisted mind that gets some kind of queer pleasure out of starting fights for the sake of it. It's obvious that you opinion is as completely and utterly groundless as you claim ours is and you couldn't persuasively back up your opinion if your life depended on it. I fail to see how coming into a forum you know very well is populated by Nintendo fans, then, for lack of a better word, BASHING their system somehow makes you cool? Do you honestly think that you're going to come out on top of this? Maybe I've already fallen to your maniacle plot as it is, but if you had half a brain left in that dank cavern you desperatly try to pass off as a skull, you would've stayed in your room watching American Idol rather than wasting your time here. Every second you think your opinion actually means something here is a second you could've spent living your pathetic life elsewhere.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: XBR on May 12, 2003, 11:51:33 AM
SNES, one of the most popular and succesful game systems, which had over 1000 games had only one Mature title, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. NES, which was even bigger, had none. Neither Xbox, Ps2, Psx, DreamCast, or anything had as much fans and games as the SNES, yet they all had tons of M rated games. Its not that we dont have enough Mature games, its that we dont have enough Mature gamers.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: TheCouch123 on May 12, 2003, 12:56:48 PM
Quote Originally posted by: jc24 i'm just stating what i've seen. i was wanting to know if there are any good mature fps type games coming out, don't just call me a flamer. i just think in order for the cube to compete they have to release some exclusive "M" games (specifically fps) to compete with games like halo 2.
Kiddy Nintendo = making money
Mature Microsoft = losing money
They have competed pretty well so far. What makes you think they suddenly need mature games to compete?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: DRJ on May 12, 2003, 01:25:29 PM
Nintendo doesnt even care about competing with M$ or Sony. They make quality games and they makes lots of money. M$ is going to lose something like 2 billion by 2004 if not more, how long do you think it will take them to make that back if ever. I have an XBox too and Halo was great. When is Halo II coming out??? Next year... maybe? Nintendo has a killer list of games coming out this year with plenty more on the way for nect year. If I wanted a really good FPS that was mature I would get a PC. Oh wait, I guess I have a PC already. So if you want great PC games get them. If XBox/Sony are soooo get get one. I for one really enjoy playing my GC.
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Gamefreak on May 12, 2003, 01:42:53 PM
Ok...since no one seems to have the answer, I'll tell this kid why.
Why don't Nintendo get exlusive "mature" FPS games? Because it doesn't want to. Nintendo doesn't care about FPS games. Nintendo of America might want one for over here, but it would probably come from a third party. And NCL wouldn't bother spending money to make it exclusive so it would end up being multiplatform. If Retro Studios or NST ever does an FPS that's probably the closest you'll come. Or maybe Zoonami after they release Game Zero. Don't count on Nintendo's other main studios - Intelligent Systems, Silicon Knights, EAD, the new Tokyo studio, or HAL Labs ever doing an FPS.
Oh, and Factor 5 I guess is a candidate, but they don't exactly have too much experience/interest in that category. Rare was the only Nintendo developer that cared about FPS games, and they are gone and a lot of the Goldeneye/Perfect Dark people are at either Zoonami or Free Radical now. So unless NCL gets a sudden urge to force Zoonami into an FPS or buy it's way into an exclusive new Timesplitters, it won't happen.
And this thread has probably gone as far as it will go...someone close it please...not this MS vs. NCL crap again..
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 12, 2003, 01:55:44 PM
Ugh. Yeah, I hate how Nintendo is making the kiddy games. Don't they know games are only good when they have GUNS AND BLOOD AND BODY MEAT AND SWEAR WORDS AND DRUGS AND SKULL FU**KING?! OMG I NEED AN XBOX IT HAS VIOLENT HALO BEST GAME EVER COZ IT HAS BLOOD! SCREW NINTENDO AND THEIR QUALITY GAMEPLAY! I NEED BAD GAMES WITH BLOOD SO I CAN BE COOL IN FRONT OF MY FRIENDS.
*Sigh*
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: FinalC on May 12, 2003, 02:46:05 PM
There really isn't such a thing as a kiddy game. PS2 and Xbox are new to the world of gaming. If it wasn't for Nintendo and Sega there would even be a gaming market in the first damn place. Hey fat troll dude you know where you can go.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: jc24 on May 12, 2003, 02:59:47 PM
all right, enough of this, it is just my "opinion" that gamecube needs more games to appeal to more people. i was wandering if anyone knew of any good fps, etc. were coming out for the gamecube. sorry if i offended anyone, that is just my opinion.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 12, 2003, 03:23:47 PM
It can hardly be called an opinion when what you posted was intended not only as pure and utter flame bait but to be interpretted as fact. Don't you have better things to do?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 12, 2003, 03:25:40 PM
lol... This thread is funny. jc24, I don't really feel like giving you an explanation on where your question went wrong, but I just have one question for you. How old are you?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: ThePerm on May 12, 2003, 03:48:41 PM
not the baby holding a gcn being dipped into fire...odd fire being underwater...but it does makea point
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 12, 2003, 03:58:06 PM
I think you're being harsh on jc24, but I do agree with everyone else. Out of all the games on Gamecube out there, the only mature one that I really want is Killer 7, and I still have to see how it develops. I have a few teen games, but I just get the games I think I'll like, and I agree with PIAC. . . the "kiddie" games are fun.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 12, 2003, 04:03:07 PM
Yeah, we are being totally harsh on him, but I think that we are all sick of hearing that question. A game's worth is not determined by its rating, but by its content.
I didn't even look twice at Smuggler's Run, I played GTA3 based on all the hype, and I hate it. I haven't even bothered trying Dead to Rights or Red Faction 2 yet, and the list goes on and on.
On the other hand, I love Splinter Cell, Zelda: Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil, Rogue Leader, Animal Crossing, and Pikmin.
What does this say?
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 12, 2003, 04:10:03 PM
Then you must be an insane, stupid, uncool idiot
Nah, that sounds like a good choice of games to me. Well, for the most part.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 12, 2003, 04:11:30 PM
THe guy's posting total flame bait- if you take him seriously and actually post a rebuttal to what he said in his initial post you're only going to encourage him to do it again.
Title: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: ThePerm on May 12, 2003, 04:16:57 PM
mature ratred titles i own for gcn Resident Evil Rsident Evil 0 Eternal Darkness
T rated titles i own for gcn Super Smash Bros. Melee Starfox Adventures Metroid Prime Summoner: Godess Reborn(though it sucks...but eh it was cheap..k-mart was going out of business)
E Rated Games i own Luigi's Mansion Wave RAce: Brue Storm Super Mario Sunshine Animal Crossing Zelda: TWW Zelda: OOT % Masterquest(great wonderfull free game)
Now im probably going to get two of these three games... Mortal Komabt: DA, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell, or Def Jam Vendetta...i knoew i like MKDA and DKV..but i havnt gotten much play on splintercell except the demo aat the store(which really sucks because games like mgs or TCSC have to be played in the privacy of your home)
now there are more mature games on the cube then the ones i have...but not every game is great and i am very picky. Games like Wave Race dont really need a rating for obvious reasons...
I can understand what your really trying to say...i would myself like some serious themed games..if thats what your thinking..but your use of the word mature is foul and you seem to be leaning on flame bait. Or master...
i am dissapointed, i have been gaming for a good 15 years and alot of you youngins were exposed to gamign at a different time. Do you know what its liek to have all games look alike? Essentially in the nes days there were lots of games..but nonme of them really looked that much better then the other. There were games like mario bros, metal gear, castlevania, contra, kirby and none of them were extremely violent or had blood(cept n.a.r.c.). The only thing that made a game cool was how fun it was. Now you have ultra alesome graphics in everythign and most people do is bitch. I remember you in anotehr thread commenting how kiddy pacman was. What the fuck! Seriously you were probably not even born when pacman came out..have you even played that game...do you know how incredibly hard it was? Go in an arcade and look for it sometime and prepare tohave your quarters eaten.
anywyas i hope this thread just quietly dies heading into the old thread graveyard....
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Gamefreak on May 12, 2003, 05:54:59 PM
Doesn't anyone listen to me?
Title: RE: lack of good teen or mature games
Post by: Bloodworth on May 12, 2003, 06:27:57 PM
Hooray Flame War. Remember I live in L.A. kids, so E3 will not keep me out of the forums completely. Be sure to use the Report it to the Moderator button when you see crap like this and all will be well.