Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Kytim89 on May 13, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
Title: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Kytim89 on May 13, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
With the reveal of the Super Wii at this year's E3 next month, rumours are abound and one thought that has been racing in mind is whether the Super Wii will be the second coming of the SNES? Nintendo has supposedly revealed that their new HD console will look like a modern SNES, but what I am really getting at is will the Super Wii have the third party support that the SNES had in its day? I find it ironic that we are approaching the twentieth anniverssary of the SNES launch and we have a new console that could potentially bring Nintendo back on top of the gaming industry once again.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 13, 2011, 02:26:10 AM
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Dasmos on May 13, 2011, 07:22:36 AM
"Potentially bring Nintendo back on top of the gaming industry once again."
What?
Where have you been the last 5 years? Nintendo is at the top of the gaming industry. It's laughable to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: broodwars on May 13, 2011, 07:32:36 AM
To answer the topic question, "no, it probably won't be." The games industry isn't what it was when the SNES came out and Nintendo had a near-monopoly (as opposed to the total monopoly with the NES) on the games industry that ensured 3rd party support. Plus, Nintendo's had 3 generations of poor 3rd party supporto, and I don't see that as entirely related to the technical problems of the last 3 generations of Nintendo console hardware. If I was in charge of a big 3rd party developer, I don't know if I'd give Nintendo a 4th try at releasing hardware with a consumer base that would actually buy my software.
For the moment, I'm very much in a "wait and see" approach with this next Nintendo console. I've been burned too many times by Nintendo over the years to be altogether optimistic that next-generation will be any different, especially if you believe the early rumors like the weak 8 GB storage limit. Let's see what Nintendo announces at E3 before branding this console as anything other than yet another Nintendo console.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: UncleBob on May 13, 2011, 08:23:39 AM
Nintendo wasn't a "Near monopoly" when the SNES launched. The Genesis had a two-year head-start on the SNES and the SNES was launched in direct response to the sales and attention the Genesis was getting.
As for third-party support... developers were generally thrilled to jump ship to the Genesis, once it was shown they could sell as many/more copies on the Genesis as they could on the NES - and without all the crazy Nintendo restrictions/demands.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: KDR_11k on May 13, 2011, 03:01:55 PM
It's the second coming of the Gamecube.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Lithium on May 13, 2011, 07:18:47 PM
I thought that the Nintendo Wii would be the second coming of the NES turned out it was the second coming of the Atari.
Right now its too early to tell with the Wii's sucessor, let's come back to this discussion when e3 rolls around.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Kytim89 on May 14, 2011, 01:08:30 AM
What I meant by a return of the SNES is that games from Nintendo and third parties will be reinvigorated. All of the series that we love today became what they are today mainly from being on the SNES. That is when standards that many games follow today were established. What I want is a return to the same quality of games on Nintendo's Super Wi console. In my gut, I see the Wii as partially doing this in it's own way, but ultimatly failed due to many thins like storage and support from third parties.
Look at the abscence of RPGs on the Wii compared to that of the SNES. This is naother reason for why I want a return to the SNES era. I want RPGs to the tune of FF6 and Chrono Trigger for the Super Wii. Even though they are Wii games, Last Story, Xenoblade and Pandora's Tower give me hope that pursue RPG development for the Super Wii, which might spur other developers to do the same. Of course there should be no shouvelware crap, but good quality games.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: rad.i.kal on May 14, 2011, 02:51:10 AM
I am pretty amped for it, but it is hard to say really!
Will it do as well as snes or nes? will it be too gimmicky?
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Mop it up on May 14, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
No generation has ever exactly mirrored another one... but I think there are some similarities between the NES and Wii, and there will be similarities between the SNES and the next Nintendo system. Like the SNES expanded on the NES, the next system will be an evolution of the Wii, rather than a total overhaul/revolution like the Nintendo 64/PlayStation era. Likewise, there's going to be more competition in the market, so the next system won't sell as many units as the Wii, just as the SNES sold less than its predecessor.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: UncleBob on May 14, 2011, 04:18:48 PM
Mop it up's post kinda got me thinking...
The NES (1) was a complete overhaul in comparison to what was on the market pre-Nintendo. The SNES (2) was an evolution of the NES (1). The N64 (3) was a complete overhaul in comparison to the SNES (2) and NES (1). The GameCube (4) was an evolution of what the N64 (3) offered. Then Wii (5) was a complete overhaul in comparison to what the GameCube (4) and N64(3) offered. Will (6) just be an evolution of what the Wii (5) offered?
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Stogi on May 14, 2011, 05:13:58 PM
Haven't we discussed this exact thing in considerable depth before?
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Ymeegod on May 14, 2011, 08:56:12 PM
Again, if the rumor specs are true (which I doubt) then no. For one, 3rd developers don't seem to be all that warm for it mainly because of how poorly their games sell on past nintendo consoles so they are "wait and see".
And two, if the specs are true it's going be slightly more powerful than the current gen. At best you'll get alot of ports from games that we're currently playing and those exclusive games that it does get will most likely target the casual market again.
So really if you want a true SNES rebirth then you better horde 3rd party games like crazy.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Snake-Arms on May 14, 2011, 10:15:48 PM
It won't be the second coming of the SNES; it will be the Super Nintendo Ultra WiiCube 64, an amalgam of their entire console portfolio.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2011, 10:25:09 PM
Again, if the rumor specs are true (which I doubt) then no. For one, 3rd developers don't seem to be all that warm for it mainly because of how poorly their games sell on past nintendo consoles so they are "wait and see".
And two, if the specs are true it's going be slightly more powerful than the current gen. At best you'll get alot of ports from games that we're currently playing and those exclusive games that it does get will most likely target the casual market again.
So really if you want a true SNES rebirth then you better horde 3rd party games like crazy.
I'm guessing you haven't seen the latest rumors from IGN then. If the recent rumors are true then that means the Cafe is going to be miles ahead of the 360/PS3 in terms of power and will easily be able to hold it's own against anything Microsoft and Sony might try to release in 2013/2014 like the PS2 could against the Gamecube and Xbox.
Oh and the argument that third party games didn't sell on Nintendo systems is completely false. Most major third party titles that have been released on a Nintendo console have sold quite well. The only third party games that bomb on Nintendo systems are the shitty year old ports, shitty spin-offs that nobody wanted, or extremely niche titles that would have bomb on the other systems as well.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Ymeegod on May 14, 2011, 10:43:18 PM
"Most major third party titles that have been released on a Nintendo console have sold quite well"
Falls down laughing. That's the best joke on the net :).
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 15, 2011, 12:07:55 AM
The thing is, there really aren't many examples of what he's talking about on the Wii. How many AAA games that appeal to a mainstream audience have third parties released on Wii?
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2011, 12:34:54 AM
obligatory link to 3rd Party Wall of Shame.....
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: UncleBob on May 15, 2011, 12:51:33 AM
Haven't we discussed this exact thing in considerable depth before?
Really? Man, I should pay more attention around here...
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Ceric on May 15, 2011, 12:59:39 AM
On the Third Party game selling front. I would like to see that on Percentage of Owner base. That is the only real way to compare the consoles for who did third parties do better because it take the large numbers out of it. So say I game had a 20% buy in on Wii but a 60% buy in on the 360 and for the sake of argument reason lets say that for each system they sold the same number of copies. Which would be more succesful? Those types of things be interesting.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 15, 2011, 02:37:13 AM
Falls down laughing. That's the best joke on the net :) .
Only it's the truth. Back on the Gamecube, Resident Evil Remake, Resident Evil Zero and Resident Evil 4 were all million seller. The Gamecube version of Soul Caliber 2 was the best selling version of the game in North America, and is pretty close to the worldwide sales of the PS2 version as well. Tales of Symphonia sold over 1 million copies worldwide and is the best selling Tales Of game to this day. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles was also a million seller worldwide, as was all of Sega's Sonic and Super Monkey Ball games for the Gamecube as well.
Last time I checked, these were all basically the only major third party titles on the Gamecube that even got anywhere close to the amount of hype PS2 and Xbox games got, and low and behold, all these games managed to be million sellers. Most other Gamecube titles were either sh!tty ports that were over a year old, niche games that had very limited appeal or gimped multiplatform games that had content missing from the PS2/Xbox version as well as the worst graphics even though the Gamecube was more powerful then the PS2.
Now on to the Wii. At launch, even though it was a crappy game, Red Steel managed to be a million seller thanks to all the hype it got. Now the sequel that was good sold poorly, but that had more to do with the fact the first game tarnished the name Red Steel so that any sequel was guaranteed to sell much worse. A few months later Capcom released Resident Evil 4 and only expected it to sell around 400,000 copies. To this day the game has not only managed to be a million seller, it even sold better then the Gamecube version which came out 2 years earlier and was also a million seller. Because of this Umbrella Chronicles was also a million seller a few months later. Of course the next one Darkside Chronicles bombed but that's because Capcom went and make the shitty Dead Rising Wii port using the RE4 engine instead of you know, an actual Resident Evil game with it and then thought they could trick Wii owners into buying another lightgun spinoff. No surprise why that game bombed.
Guiter Hero 3, even though the Wii version was gimped, still managed to sell millions of copies and when Rock Band eventually came over it was a million seller as well. Yeah both series are dead now but they died on all 3 platforms at the same time because EVERYONE got sick of them. EA's Boom Blox which had a lot of hype and critical acclaim managed to be a million seller, as did the Tiger Woods Golf games on the Wii since those were also critically acclaimed and hyped as well. All of Sega's Sonic games have been million sellers but that was to be expected after his success on the Gamecube. Monster Hunter 3 managed to be the first third party game on a Nintendo home console since the SNES to break the 1 million mark in Japan and is the best selling Monster Hunter game in the West. Oh and last fall, Epic Mickey and GoldenEye 007, which were the two biggest third party Wii exclusive both managed to be million seller in the holiday season, even though Wii hardware had been dropping the entire year.
So once again, pretty much all of these games were the only major third party games the Wii got in terms of competing against anything similar to what the PS3/360 have in terms of hype and appeal, and once again they all sold well. The third party titles that sell poorly on the Wii were games like Madworld, Dead Rising: Crap nobody wanted Edition, Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles, Dead Space Extraction, or Zack and Wiki. And what do all these games have in common? They were all either niche games that would have done poorly on the HD systems, or spinoffs that nobody cared for.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Morcant on May 15, 2011, 07:23:42 PM
If the Stream is the second coming of the SNES there will be no one happier than me.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: SixthAngel on May 16, 2011, 02:29:19 AM
Nintendo seems to have realized that third parties changed this gen and they want to simply port their games to every system under the sun now. Making the specs of the system in the ballpark of the others should guarrantee they go there and coming out first just becomes all advantage because companies don't care to tap into the little extra power the later consoles have. Theoretically this should let Nintendo dominate by having what the others do plus their amazing first party support and unique controllers.
I think the transition to the next generation is going to be really different than previous generations and will be very staggered.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Kytim89 on May 16, 2011, 08:10:36 PM
After thinking over this topic, I have come to the realization of why I believe that the Super Wii is the second coming of the SNES. Allow me to explain with a brief history lesson.
Back in 1983 we had the video game crash that nearly crippled the industry. Along came a Japanese videogame company called Nintendo with the "NES". Eventually the NES took over the market and eventually had a successor called the "SNES." The SNES is considered by some to be one of the best consoles of all time. However, it faced stiff competiton from its rival, the SEGA Genesis. The SNES eventually won its console generation.
Fast forward to twenty years later and you have me talking about the second reign of the SNES through the Super Wii. Here is why I think this:
Sony has been hit hard by the development costs of their PS3 since 2006 and have actually went from the most succesful system maker to the least profitable in the span of about six or so years. Granted they are selling at a profit right now, but how bad are they still hurting? Honestly, with the recent PSN issue many Sony gamers (like myself) might jump permanently and go towards Microsoft and Nintendo's next system for added comfort. If people start abandoning Sony then is there is a possibility that they could go the way of SEGA?
Let's suppose for a moment that Sony were to leave the gaiming industry, I would equate it to this time period's version of the video crash back in the 1980s. Of course I prefer to something like this a paradigm shift in gaming.
Secondly, I view Microsoft as SEGA's successor, or a much more profitable version of SEGA. Debate me on this notion if you will, but Microsoft pisked up SEGA's mantle back in 2000 and has carried it since. Now, assume that Sony is out of the market and Microsfot and Nintendo are left to duke it out. The return of Nintendo's SNES as the Super Wii and Microsoft's next Xbox as the second coming of the SEGA Genesis seems like a possibility.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Stogi on May 16, 2011, 08:28:21 PM
I think it is, to be frank, immature and honestly self-delusional to think the Super Wii is anything but another console in Nintendo's long line of consoles. So many factors are at play, whether inside or outside the game industry, that unless we were somehow faced with a semi-apocalypse that crippled us to where the only system that was even viable to make was the SNES, that we will never see anything even similar to SNES. Even then, I'm unsure.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Kytim89 on May 16, 2011, 08:47:02 PM
"I think it is, to be frank, immature and honestly self-delusional to think the Super Wii is anything but another console in Nintendo's long line of consoles."
Everyone seems to agree that the Wii is the NES of its time, so what is wriong with contemplating the Super Wii as the next SNES?
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Stogi on May 16, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
Who? Who is everyone? The NES and Wii are nothing alike except for the fact that they both sold games and were popular.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Kytim89 on May 16, 2011, 11:24:36 PM
Who? Who is everyone? The NES and Wii are nothing alike except for the fact that they both sold games and were popular.
The Wii is this generation's version of the NES and the Super Wii will be to the Wii what the SNES was to the NES.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Sarail on May 16, 2011, 11:43:11 PM
I disagree with this, Kytim, immensely.
I absolutely adored my NES. I only somewhat like the Wii. Please don't bunch me in this "everyone" group you're claiming. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 16, 2011, 11:56:09 PM
Can we drop this nonsense of referring to the console as "Wii 2" or "Super Wii"? There is zero evidence to indicate these are possible names, and the rumors are pointing towards the names "Stream" and "Cafe". The Wii brand name is history. Get over it. Core gamers do not take it seriously, and Casual gamers have no brand loyalty to speak of. There is nothing to gain by retaining the Wii brand, especially if recapturing the hardcore market is Nintendo's objective, because the brand has zero credibility with that demographic.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Mop it up on May 16, 2011, 11:58:53 PM
Both the NES and the Wii were marketed as a family system with simple games that just about anyone can play. That's the main similarity between them, and why some people say they are parallel. Now, I know an argument is that the NES has difficult games that make them restrictive, but that's just because they were so short. They had to be hard to keep people from beating them in one sitting on their first try. But the thing is, the games are difficult by deign and not by complexity. Take Super Mario Brothers for example, it's pretty easy to understand the concept and control the game. Even something like Mega Man is easy to get into despite its difficulty in level design. That's the key.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: nickmitch on May 17, 2011, 12:51:54 PM
I think it's fair to draw the comparison between the Wii and the NES because it is all in retrospect. However, all the rumors going on about Cafe would lead me to think that it'll be a more significant leap than the SNES was. For crying out loud, Nintendo is drastically changing the controller again (probably). That's 2 gens in a row. The SNES just added more buttons to the controller and more colors on the screen.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Ceric on May 17, 2011, 01:15:33 PM
I think it's fair to draw the comparison between the Wii and the NES because it is all in retrospect. However, all the rumors going on about Cafe would lead me to think that it'll be a more significant leap than the SNES was. For crying out loud, Nintendo is drastically changing the controller again (probably). That's 2 gens in a row. The SNES just added more buttons to the controller and more colors on the screen.
Thats unfair to the SNES controller. It had more colors too ;)
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Ymeegod on May 17, 2011, 09:49:42 PM
Sigh, "So once again, pretty much all of these games were the only major third party games the Wii got in terms of competing against anything similar to what the PS3/360 have in terms of hype and appeal"
But they sales simply don't match what the sell on other consoles. Why do you think Capcom dropped support for RE to the WII? RE5 sold more on Xbox 360 alone than RE4 on the GC and WII combined that's why. Monster sold a million but the other versions like on the PSP sell multimillions. Who do you think Capcom is going support.
As for your ToS logic doesn't make alot of sense considering Tales of Graces isn't even getting localized in the states :0.
A killer example would be Activision's Call of Duty Black Ops. MS took killer sales (somewhere's near 15+ million) and the WII took in a million. Can you honestly expect them to dropped support for MS in favor of the WII 2? Nope at best you'll get an port if you get it at all.
Let me ask you one question, if you were funding an 3rd party game what console would you aim at?
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 17, 2011, 10:33:15 PM
The Wii 2 will certainly get ports, assuming it's as powerful and developer-friendly as we've been led to believe. I'm sure some developers will include bonus features that could only be done on the system, because of the controller screen or added power or whatever. If (and this is a big if) Nintendo actually manages to get it to the point that it's the PS2 to the PS4 and Xbox 720's GameCube and Xbox, that and launching first should ensure the power and user base to get most third party games.
If they do all that, and (another big if) drastically improve their online infrastructure, along with being lower-priced (pretty much a given, as they're launching first and they're Nintendo), there really aren't any glaring flaws, and I could see them being competitive in terms of sales. That's a best-case scenario, though, if Nintendo doesn't make any really stupid decisions (again, we're talking about Nintendo here) and gets a few lucky breaks along the way.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2011, 12:37:59 AM
For games like Call of Duty, the online is key. Most people I know who play shooters pretty much beat the story mode for the acheivements then only play online. The trick is to sell a **** ton of systems to convince gamers to buy the Cafe version over ther other two.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Ian Sane on May 18, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
Comparing the Wii to the NES is a huge insult to the NES. The NES was the absolute videogame standard of its time. The Wii was beloved by a very large group of casuals that bought Wii Fit and jack **** else and was generally ignored by everyone else. The Wii was a fad and the fact that it is not only currently ignored by third parties but even Nintendo themselves proves it. Once the frenzy was over and you could actually find the damn thing in stores on a regular basis no one gave a **** anymore. Wii-mania was caused by insanely strong mainstream demand for Wii Sports and Wii Fit and it took a few years for Nintendo to meet the demand for these titles. But once everyone who wanted a Wii for these two titles had one they proceeded to buy nothing else because they were not interested in games, just these few titles. Meanwhile those legitimately interested in videogames had long given up on the Wii for one of the other consoles. And here we are now where the best selling console this gen is completely irrelevant with NOTHING being released for it right now while the lesser selling consoles continue to roll on.
Cafe won't be the next SNES because it isn't going to be a conventional follow up to the Wii. All we've heard is about how THIS time Nintendo will have the specs and that they're aggressively targetting the core. This is a completely different approach than the Wii was. Part of the Wii's identity is a casual-focus, outdated specs and lousy third party support. Cafe is rumoured to avoid all three of those. A Nintendo console with decent third party support would be a major shift in Nintendo's history. What is rumoured is more or less the "revolution" the Wii was rumoured to be. The rumour is that Cafe is going to be a drastic overhaul not just as a major change from the Wii but potentially a major change in how Nintendo does things period.
If Cafe gets the third parties back then it means Nintendo changed. That would be a huge deal. Cafe would not be a mere evolutionary change like the SNES was.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 18, 2011, 06:11:50 PM
But they sales simply don't match what the sell on other consoles. Why do you think Capcom dropped support for RE to the WII? RE5 sold more on Xbox 360 alone than RE4 on the GC and WII combined that's why. Monster sold a million but the other versions like on the PSP sell multimillions. Who do you think Capcom is going support.
Capcom dropped RE support on the Wii long before RE5 was even released on the 360. The fact that they used the RE4 Wii engine to make the sh!tty Dead Rising port that was released a month before RE5 on the HD systems, instead of you know, an actual Resident Evil game that could have been out on the Wii around the same time as RE5 on the HD systems, shows sales had nothing to do with Capcom not giving a sh!t about any real Resident Evil games on the Wii.
Oh and in the case of Monster Hunter, Capcom going to support both consoles. If they can sell 1 million copies on the Wii, and then easily port it over to the PSP a year later to sell another 4 million copies, they'll continue to do that since they're basically getting an extra million in sales. Of course with the Wii's sales dropping in Japan quite a bit since Monster Hunter 3 was released, the next Monster Hunter will probably be released on the 3DS and the PSP this time.
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As for your ToS logic doesn't make alot of sense considering Tales of Graces isn't even getting localized in the states :0.
I was referring to the Tales of Symphonia for the Gamecube that was released in 2004 that was a million seller, not the sequel that was released for the Wii in 2008 that did much less. Of course it should be noted that the Wii sequel sold around the same as what Vesperia for the 360 did, despite Vesperia being considered the much better game and being on the system that you even say sells games much better.
Maybe if Namco actually cared about trying to make Tales popular in the West and made Gamecube ports of the PS2 games, they could have kept a good sized Tales fanbase on Nintendo systems. Instead they just brought the PS2 games over to the West and kept them PS2 exlusive which all did terrible and because of that pissed of the Nintendo fanbase that made Symphonia so popular, which is why when it's sequel came out on the Wii, not that many Nintendo fans cared about it and so it sold much worse.
No surprise they're not going to bring the Wii version of Graces over since Namco did all they could to make the last Tales game on a Nintendo console sell as low as it did. Of course I can guarantee you right now because of how incompetent Namco is with the Tales series in the West, the PS3 version of Graces will do poorly as well and end up doing around exactly what Vesperia and Dawn of the New World did.
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A killer example would be Activision's Call of Duty Black Ops. MS took killer sales (somewhere's near 15+ million) and the WII took in a million. Can you honestly expect them to dropped support for MS in favor of the WII 2? Nope at best you'll get an port if you get it at all.
Where the hell in my original post did I ever say third parties should dropped Microsoft and give full support to Nintendo? All I said was that third party games can do well on Nintendo systems and showed all the examples of when they did. The fact that you even say the Wii version was able to sell a million copies proves my whole point. I can guarantee you the Wii version of Black Ops probably cost much less to make then the HD version, so even though it only sold 1 million copies, that 1 million probably still made Activision some good money. Yeah, no where close to the mountain of cash the 360 version brought in, but the Wii version like all the other Call of Duty games still did well enough to make money which is why Activision keeps giving the Wii Call of Duty games.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Mop it up on May 18, 2011, 08:09:49 PM
Comparing the Wii to the NES is a huge insult to the NES...
If you think it's an insult, you're taking the comparison too literally. No one's said that the two systems are exactly alike, the similarities between the two reside in marketing. Both systems were marketed towards families using simple games that anyone can understand and play, both systems used accessories to sell certain games, etc. I don't think Nintendo ever intended the Wii to be a "casual"-focused system, they just underestimated what it would take to keep some of their fans on board.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2011, 08:35:07 PM
which is why Activision keeps giving the Wii Call of Duty games.
Actually, its Treyarch who keeps giving the Wii COD games. The COD games which were made by Infinity Ward do not come to the Wii. Wii did not get MW1 (though it did get a watered down remake), or MW2, and if you look into the upcoming MW3 which is due for release on November 8 of this year the Wii is not mentioned among the supported platforms. If it were made by Treyarch it probably would have been, but Infinity Ward hates Nintendo for some reason.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Mop it up on May 18, 2011, 08:54:52 PM
The Wii version of Modern Warfare isn't a remake, it's the same as something like the Wii version of Black Ops, missing a couple of the extra features that need more system power.
I expect to see a Wii version of Modern Warfare 2 released on the same day as Modern Warfare 3.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2011, 09:00:43 PM
I expect to see a Wii version of Modern Warfare 2 released on the same day as Modern Warfare 3.
Why would you expect that? There's nothing that indicates this is going to happen.
The most I can find believable is that MW3 may get ported to the Cafe later on, but my money is on Black Ops being the last COD game for the Wii.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Mop it up on May 18, 2011, 09:02:21 PM
Because Modern Warfare on Wii was released on the same day as Modern Warfare 2. I think it was announced a couple of months before it came out, so we won't hear about it for some time.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2011, 09:17:19 PM
Okay... well, for the record I hope you're right.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: ThePerm on May 18, 2011, 09:28:01 PM
haha that sounds like a dumb idea..why waste resources making a gimped port of a game when you can make the same game for the next system and have it ready for launch? I dont see how this always happens, at the third year mark developers should really realize that they should start making games for new systems. Every time a new system comes out the launch titles are usually rush jobs or ports. They can't guarantee what power will be behind the next systems, but they can guess it'll have at THE LEAST 20% more ram and wont be that much different then some pc video card setup that's already attainable,
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
I dont see how this always happens, at the third year mark developers should really realize that they should start making games for new systems.
They can only start once they've received the Dev Kits. That said, the Dev Kits for the Cafe are now in the hands of developers, but keep in mind that they said that work on MW3 began two weeks after MW2 was released, and that was 2 years ago.
But I do agree with you that they might as well put MW3 on the Wii instead of messing with MW2. Treyarch released Black Ops on the Wii the same day as other systems, so there's no real reason it couldn't be done, except that Infinity Ward is prejudiced against Nintendo like I said...
And actually, I believe it was Treyarch or some other company who ported MW1 to the Wii. It may have been Infinity Ward's game, but someone else had to do the work to port it to Wii because IW simply would not touch it. So if MW2 or 3 ever comes to Wii its only going to happen if some other company does it.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Mop it up on May 18, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
Yeah, it was Treyarch who ported Modern Warfare to the Wii, I believe they said it took them about ten months to do it. They'd be the ones to port Modern Warfare 2 if it happens, and it might not even take as long to port it if they can reuse assets from the first game on the Wii.
Title: Re: Is the Super Wii the Second Coming of the SNES?
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 18, 2011, 10:03:03 PM
It is possible they began work on an MW2 port to the Wii right after they wrapped up their work on Black Ops. But I think it would make more sense for them to make an MW3 port instead, because it would be more up to date.
On a side note, IW are jerks and I think their games are inferior to the ones made by Treyarch anyway. MW2 was a piece of crap (in my opinion) because of how everyone would "boost" on it and get nukes and they never patched it or did anything about it, and from what I've heard the MW2 online has deteriorated badly to the point where its just full of hackers and cheaters. So its not a fun experience. At least Black Ops is actively maintained still, and Treyarch made it so you can report people via the game if they are doing bad stuff.
