Post by: NWR_Neal on April 16, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
So rumor has it Nintendo is unveiling a new console at E3 2011. What's our take?
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/feature/26073
Wii 2, Super Wii, The N, whatever we call it for now, it is clear that something is set to happen regarding Nintendo's plans following the Wii. The next home console is a complete mystery, but of course sources around the Internet are keen to stake their claim to the details, whether they sound like real possibilities or not.
Our staff offer their thoughts and theories on the capabilities of the Wii successor, what should be done differently, and what the 3DS tells us about the next Nintendo hardware release.
Post by: leahsdad on April 16, 2011, 05:33:38 AM
I think Metts is right about being excited about the controller. If the rumors are true, I'm thinking Nintendo might be able to make party games or casual games centered around the idea of individual screens. For the rest of us...I'm guessing this would be used in the same way the the 3DS uses/will use its touchscreen? Button mapping, inventory in Zelda, etc..
If the rumors are true.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 16, 2011, 05:42:30 AM
Post by: leahsdad on April 16, 2011, 05:57:44 AM
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what do James and Greg think?
Oh, talking about James, wouldn't the controller be wicked for JRPG's? Potions, spells, summons mapped to the touchscreen?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 16, 2011, 09:26:50 AM
"I hatez teh Nintend0"
Or something to that effect.
Post by: the asylum on April 16, 2011, 09:40:47 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 10:09:16 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 16, 2011, 10:30:03 AM
As for dev costs, no idea what Nintendo will do there but I'm thinking that more tech doesn't mean you have to use it.
Post by: Caterkiller on April 16, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
I do not think the next console will be portable in anyway simply because what would be the point of the 3DS? Last I checked we haven't gotten a GBA successor even though it was one of the three pillars. Not to mention full BC indicates disc drive which has been proven to be a bad idea. Still hoping for carts and having a disc cart for BC.
Not this again. Did anyone really believe that 3rd pillar nonsense? The DS is the GBA successor, it was clear the moment they announced it. Now I agree we wont be able to take the full version of our tv games on the go, but maybe virtual console games can be taken that way.
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 16, 2011, 11:10:48 AM
A lot of these rumors are very hard to believe though. So I'm just waiting for E3 before I get to excited. Comments from developers are meaningless in the end. I'll wait for results from them. Though I only want to get one console in the future I don't think I'll be rushing out to get a new system unless it's launch or near line up are very good.
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 11:11:52 AM
Congratulations! We have a winner! Give that boy a prize.I do not think the next console will be portable in anyway simply because what would be the point of the 3DS? Last I checked we haven't gotten a GBA successor even though it was one of the three pillars. Not to mention full BC indicates disc drive which has been proven to be a bad idea. Still hoping for carts and having a disc cart for BC.
Not this again. Did anyone really believe that 3rd pillar nonsense? The DS is the GBA successor, it was clear the moment they announced it. Now I agree we wont be able to take the full version of our tv games on the go, but maybe virtual console games can be taken that way.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 16, 2011, 11:26:47 AM
They'll get a better console than the 360 and PS3 simply due to the progress of technology. Those HD consoles aren't even remotely cutting edge, they don't even have one gigabyte of RAM!
This.
I don't see Nintendo trying to enter the hardware race because of a strong system, but because it is natural progression of technology. By the time all companies release their new systems the tech behind the current consoles will be outdated. Remember that the Xbox 360 was released in 2005 and the Wii and PS3 in 2006. That's more than five years worth of old technology and processing power. So if Nintendo is working on a new system, of course they'll use the technology available NOW.
Really, it would be idiotic of them to make a new system will old technology behind it.
Post by: Morari on April 16, 2011, 11:31:44 AM
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What if Nintendo's next console is their Dreamcast?
In a lot of ways, I hope it is! The Dreamcast had a huge library of great games, even in it's short life span. Furthermore, it was light-years ahead of the competition on the design and hardware front. The Dreamcast was a perfect machine, and still the best console around. Hell, I own three and one is still hooked up in my living room next to the Wii. It even looks better than the Wii thanks to the official VGA converters that Sega made for it!
Sega's Dreamcast only failed for two reasons: Sega had generated a lot of bad faith and financial woes with the Saturn before it, and a lot of gamers fed into Sony's outright lies about the power and capabilities of the upcoming PS2 and held out for it instead.
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 16, 2011, 11:33:05 AM
They'll get a better console than the 360 and PS3 simply due to the progress of technology. Those HD consoles aren't even remotely cutting edge, they don't even have one gigabyte of RAM!
This.
I don't see Nintendo trying to enter the hardware race because of a strong system, but because it is natural progression of technology. By the time all companies release their new systems the tech behind the current consoles will be outdated. Remember that the Xbox 360 was released in 2005 and the Wii and PS3 in 2006. That's more than five years worth of old technology and processing power. So if Nintendo is working on a new system, of course they'll use the technology available NOW.
Really, it would be idiotic of them to make a new system will old technology behind it.
The problem with using tech available now is you run into a situation where to mass produce a product gets more expensive and you are selling them at a loss. Nintendo won't do that. So while the tech they include will be better then the PS3/360 simply due to how much time has passed it won't be significantly better then them I bet. It's not cost effective for Nintendo I think. Which is why I think it will be tech around 2006 or maybe 2008 at the latest. Most certainly not 2010 or 2011 tech.
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 11:37:10 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 16, 2011, 12:07:17 PM
They'll get a better console than the 360 and PS3 simply due to the progress of technology. Those HD consoles aren't even remotely cutting edge, they don't even have one gigabyte of RAM!
This.
I don't see Nintendo trying to enter the hardware race because of a strong system, but because it is natural progression of technology. By the time all companies release their new systems the tech behind the current consoles will be outdated. Remember that the Xbox 360 was released in 2005 and the Wii and PS3 in 2006. That's more than five years worth of old technology and processing power. So if Nintendo is working on a new system, of course they'll use the technology available NOW.
Really, it would be idiotic of them to make a new system will old technology behind it.
The problem with using tech available now is you run into a situation where to mass produce a product gets more expensive and you are selling them at a loss. Nintendo won't do that. So while the tech they include will be better then the PS3/360 simply due to how much time has passed it won't be significantly better then them I bet. It's not cost effective for Nintendo I think. Which is why I think it will be tech around 2006 or maybe 2008 at the latest. Most certainly not 2010 or 2011 tech.
Oh don't get me wrong, I think MS and Sony will try to out do Nintendo in the technology front in the long run once the system is revealed. I just don't see Nintendo sticking behind in terms of technology for a second console generation. Even the 3DS received a push with its technology.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 16, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on April 16, 2011, 01:08:04 PM
The talk of HD and all the other tech boosts is also kind of boring to me. It's all expected at this point, and the proof of the pudding is in the games, which to a large extent is predicated by whatever the distinctive new feature will be.
Post by: Enner on April 16, 2011, 02:36:59 PM
Now, a more realistic shocker would be if this E3 2011 or TGS 2011 is the full reveal and the system is due out in the summer of 2012. Seeing as how Nintendo wants to avoid the problems of the Wii launch, would a quieter release in the summer be a nice move? The early adopters will snatch it up and than Nintendo will have plenty of time to plan a big fall and winter push. Also, this gives the Wii a little more time for its swan song with Dragon Quest X and other games.
Post by: Razorkid on April 16, 2011, 03:38:59 PM
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 04:58:36 PM
2GB ram unified would be more than I would ever expect from Nintendo. 1 GB of really fast RAM is what I realistically hope for though.
Post by: Kytim89 on April 16, 2011, 05:10:06 PM
PS3.5 and Xbox 360.5 versus Super Wii in 2012.
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 05:21:09 PM
Post by: LittleIrves on April 16, 2011, 05:55:59 PM
But I'm much more with Carmine and Jonny here -- as speculative as all this is, I can't help but get all giddily excited about the promise of something new. In a way, I love the anticipation-and-reveal part of gaming almost as much as playing the games themselves. (On a personal note: I sure picked a good year to go to E3 for the first time. Whoa. Can't wait.)
Post by: TGM on April 16, 2011, 06:26:43 PM
(Edit: I actually like the 3DS, though. It's just that I don't want to wait two months for games that I want. A man cannot be content with Street Fighter alone.)
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 16, 2011, 06:42:55 PM
A Super Wii launch in 2011 would be super crazy, but not that crazy given Nintendo's current habit of shortened news timings.This is why I wonder why people think it's so crazy. Nintendo has a history, especially in recent years of announcing things and then releasing months to weeks later. It's possible they won't do it but it's not unlikely or impossible as some may think.
Now, a more realistic shocker would be if this E3 2011 or TGS 2011 is the full reveal and the system is due out in the summer of 2012. Seeing as how Nintendo wants to avoid the problems of the Wii launch, would a quieter release in the summer be a nice move? The early adopters will snatch it up and than Nintendo will have plenty of time to plan a big fall and winter push. Also, this gives the Wii a little more time for its swan song with Dragon Quest X and other games.
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 16, 2011, 07:14:16 PM
I could easily see Sony releasing a PS3 Slimmer with 2 GB of RAM. I see Microsoft doing the same with the 360.
You see wrong. This would break compatibility with existing consoles, so its not going to happen.
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 07:40:05 PM
I be stoked if they announce they're starting shipping at E3. Though with the recent Japan problems I couldn't realistically expect it.A Super Wii launch in 2011 would be super crazy, but not that crazy given Nintendo's current habit of shortened news timings.This is why I wonder why people think it's so crazy. Nintendo has a history, especially in recent years of announcing things and then releasing months to weeks later. It's possibly they won't do it but it's not unlikely or impossible as some may think.
Now, a more realistic shocker would be if this E3 2011 or TGS 2011 is the full reveal and the system is due out in the summer of 2012. Seeing as how Nintendo wants to avoid the problems of the Wii launch, would a quieter release in the summer be a nice move? The early adopters will snatch it up and than Nintendo will have plenty of time to plan a big fall and winter push. Also, this gives the Wii a little more time for its swan song with Dragon Quest X and other games.
Post by: NeoStar9X on April 16, 2011, 07:58:23 PM
I be stoked if they announce they're starting shipping at E3. Though with the recent Japan problems I couldn't realistically expect it.A Super Wii launch in 2011 would be super crazy, but not that crazy given Nintendo's current habit of shortened news timings.This is why I wonder why people think it's so crazy. Nintendo has a history, especially in recent years of announcing things and then releasing months to weeks later. It's possibly they won't do it but it's not unlikely or impossible as some may think.
Now, a more realistic shocker would be if this E3 2011 or TGS 2011 is the full reveal and the system is due out in the summer of 2012. Seeing as how Nintendo wants to avoid the problems of the Wii launch, would a quieter release in the summer be a nice move? The early adopters will snatch it up and than Nintendo will have plenty of time to plan a big fall and winter push. Also, this gives the Wii a little more time for its swan song with Dragon Quest X and other games.
Machines wouldn't be manufacture in Japan though. There is also no reason why they need to launch just in Japan first. I don't expect it this year but would I put it past Nintendo to do something like that or push it out at the beginning of 2012 instead of Fall 2012? Not at all. Perhaps I'm to positive and hopeful.
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
True but, a lot of Nintendo planning, logistics, etc. is in Japan and I doubt their back to full pre-crisis productivity yet.I be stoked if they announce they're starting shipping at E3. Though with the recent Japan problems I couldn't realistically expect it.A Super Wii launch in 2011 would be super crazy, but not that crazy given Nintendo's current habit of shortened news timings.This is why I wonder why people think it's so crazy. Nintendo has a history, especially in recent years of announcing things and then releasing months to weeks later. It's possibly they won't do it but it's not unlikely or impossible as some may think.
Now, a more realistic shocker would be if this E3 2011 or TGS 2011 is the full reveal and the system is due out in the summer of 2012. Seeing as how Nintendo wants to avoid the problems of the Wii launch, would a quieter release in the summer be a nice move? The early adopters will snatch it up and than Nintendo will have plenty of time to plan a big fall and winter push. Also, this gives the Wii a little more time for its swan song with Dragon Quest X and other games.
Machines wouldn't be manufacture in Japan though. There is also no reason why they need to launch just in Japan first. I don't expect it this year but would I put it past Nintendo to do something like that or push it out at the beginning of 2012 instead of Fall 2012? Not at all. Perhaps I'm to positive and hopeful.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2011, 11:15:23 PM
The internet would probably collapse from that kind of news. But I'm honestly not expecting any sort of news like that. Early-Mid 2012 is all I'm realistically hoping for.
Post by: oohhboy on April 17, 2011, 03:34:57 AM
Currently for Nintendo to match PS3/360 levels of graphical and computational power is trivial matter at a nominal price. You have to remember Sony and MS had to over extent themselves for that power hence the massive subsidies and expense. Also Nintendo can't duct tape two Wiis together to make a Super Wii. The hardware is already be archaic and I don't see anything like an iQue type console happening or be something I would ever consider buying. Project Cafe is only a code name, it's not like back in project Dolphin had anything to actually to do with actual Dolphin or parts of Dolphin. I would read nothing in to it.
If you were to infer anything from the code name would be an increased/improved focus on the social aspect of gaming, but that is not a hardware implement or design issue. I would expect a massive improvement in the OS that wold drive a Super Wii.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 17, 2011, 03:55:00 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 17, 2011, 07:31:26 AM
