Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Miyamoto on March 16, 2011, 07:55:20 AM
Title: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Miyamoto on March 16, 2011, 07:55:20 AM
... Then they should hire a team to port over the two Mario Kart Arcade GP games. Any reason why they haven't done this yet? The games are already developed, there's definite interest in Mario Kart and it would surely sell pretty well. Is this just another example of Nintendo not doing something that makes sense or is there a legit reason for not doing this?
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: ShyGuy on March 16, 2011, 03:19:16 PM
Nintendo has been restricive on Mario Kart, limiting it to one Mario Kart per hardware generation.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2011, 03:28:40 PM
And the fact that Mario Kart Wii is still selling well, as is WiiFit & Wii Sports Resort.
They need to bring all the games that have not come this way yet like The Last Story and Xenoblade. Get Tecmo to fix Fatal Frame 4 (pay them bonus upon completion and another one depending on sales <minus completion bonus>) Disaster: Day of Crisis (might not be the most appropriate game for the moment though)
and sooo many other games that never left Japan. They have plenty to release on Wii this year and they've even said that they have games that haven't even been announced yet and Reggie says some are gonna be announced (& released?) before E3.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: MegaByte on March 16, 2011, 03:39:16 PM
The games probably aren't actually very good outside of their arcade environment. Actually, even in their arcade environment (judging by the first one, which I played).
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Post by: that Baby guy on March 16, 2011, 04:33:14 PM
Yeah. It wasn't a very enjoyable experience. It felt like a cheap arcade racer experience with a handful of random-ish attack items. They only had a few tracks that looked pretty generic, too, from what I recall. I never played the second one, either, but I believe they did bring those to Disney World, where I played the first, too.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2011, 06:31:59 PM
Being a guy that has gone to Disney World over twenty times in my life, I've seen both GP games in the various arcades spread throughout the parks. They suck. Horrible items, lame tracks, and Namco characters. Nuff said.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: that Baby guy on March 16, 2011, 06:46:26 PM
Over twenty times? You must be some sort of a prodigy.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
No, just a guy that lived 5 minutes away from the parks and had a father who worked there, thus getting lifetime free passes.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: UncleBob on March 16, 2011, 07:27:58 PM
I liked the Mario Kart arcade games... :(
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2011, 07:34:13 PM
It's all a matter of opinion. I know I said I hated them, it's good that you have your own opinion and like them. :)
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Miyamoto on March 17, 2011, 05:58:45 AM
If the games really were bad then I could see why Nintendo would want to distance themselves from them but they did make a sequel so they must have thought there was something of value there. To not release it because they have a strict one Mario Kart per console policy seems ridiculous. Put both games on one disc, clean it up and tweak it and they've got another 10 million+ seller on their hands. If not, it would make an awesome downloadable game for the Super Wii. Surely I can't be the only one who wants to pay through these games?
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Post by: MegaByte on March 17, 2011, 11:18:58 AM
Well, I'm not sure how much input Nintendo actually had in the games. It would be nice for a future Virtual Console or something.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Silenced on March 17, 2011, 11:42:50 AM
I'm still waiting for a new Mario Party.
Eight's graphics are really outdated.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Mop it up on March 17, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
I'd buy a compilation of the two arcade Mario Kart games, especially if it were available at the New Play Control! pricepoint of $30. I've never played either game so it would be nice to try them out.
I don't know why the graphics matter since that has never been the series strong suit, but I also want a Mario Party 9. I still play MP8 on occasion with my sister, but the game was clearly held back since it first started development as a GameCube game. Especially with the Motion Plus out there now, there's still a lot of potential for this series; MP8 didn't even incorporate the Nunchuk, so even adding that would go a long way.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 18, 2011, 10:53:16 AM
They could just include the Mario Party characters in with the next Wii Party game. That way you could use either Miis or those characters depending on your preference and it would all be in one game. At this point I have doubts about there ever being another Mario Party game because Nintendo seems to be pushing the Wii series of stuff these days, so the games that used to use Mario characters seem to have been swept aside.
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Post by: Mop it up on March 19, 2011, 08:56:08 PM
No! Then it would still have the bland game boards and minigame themes. It should be more like Mario Kart Wii, where the Miis are just a character with multiple outfits to choose from.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: broodwars on March 23, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
The problem with this topic is the whole premise: Nintendo's not "struggling" to find games to publish on the Wii this year. Reggie's already stated they're flat-out ignoring the Wii this year and focusing on Pokemon and 3DS, and so have "pushed back" certain Wii projects. Nintendo knows full well that they have games they could bring over here. They just don't care.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 23, 2011, 01:48:46 PM
I think we may want to wait until after E3 to claim Nintendo's ignoring the Wii. We didn't learn about most of the major releases in the second half of last year until E3.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 23, 2011, 02:13:43 PM
The problem with this topic is the whole premise: Nintendo's not "struggling" to find games to publish on the Wii this year. Reggie's already stated they're flat-out ignoring the Wii this year and focusing on Pokemon and 3DS, and so have "pushed back" certain Wii projects. Nintendo knows full well that they have games they could bring over here. They just don't care.
That's like a parent having two kids and then letting the older kid starve to death because they just had a new born and want to focus everything on that. If you can't take care of two kids then you should either only have one kid or not be a parent at all.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Stogi on March 23, 2011, 02:24:12 PM
The problem with this topic is the whole premise: Nintendo's not "struggling" to find games to publish on the Wii this year. Reggie's already stated they're flat-out ignoring the Wii this year and focusing on Pokemon and 3DS, and so have "pushed back" certain Wii projects. Nintendo knows full well that they have games they could bring over here. They just don't care.
Could I see a link? It's not that I don't trust you, but I want to read it in context.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2011, 02:26:01 PM
The problem with this topic is the whole premise: Nintendo's not "struggling" to find games to publish on the Wii this year. Reggie's already stated they're flat-out ignoring the Wii this year and focusing on Pokemon and 3DS, and so have "pushed back" certain Wii projects. Nintendo knows full well that they have games they could bring over here. They just don't care.
While Reggie did basically say that (kind of, but not for the whole year), he also said that they will have more "content" before E3 and definitely at E3.
Doesn't Nintendo have an investors meeting again at the end of this month? We might hear some new stuff from there.
Nintendo is not struggling to do anything, they only care about the things that interest them.
This is absolutely true. For better or worse, Nintendo is able to do, and, as a general rule, does, whatever it feels like doing.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Caterkiller on April 02, 2011, 06:21:03 PM
Maybe this was posted somewhere else not sure.
Nintendo says fantastic games are on the way this year.
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I guess we haven't made any announcements recently because we've been concentrating on the 3DS launch, but there are still lots of games to come. I'm sure you'll see at this year's E3. For anybody who has a Wii, they can rest assured that we'll be bringing some fantastic new experiences to them." [quote/]
Full article http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=15229 (http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=15229)
If anything we will only be enjoying our Wii's from June on up. Good thing I am a Pokeholic...
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Shaymin on April 02, 2011, 06:39:05 PM
The release chart on the front page has ONE ENTRY on it right now, but we haven't had the Q2 announcements yet as far as I know.
It's a shame because there's been decently big to frakking huge releases the last two Mays (Punch Out in '09 and Mario Galaxy 2 last year), but anything they announce now is going to end up Excitebot'd.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: broodwars on April 02, 2011, 08:21:27 PM
Nintendo says fantastic games are on the way this year.
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I guess we haven't made any announcements recently because we've been concentrating on the 3DS launch, but there are still lots of games to come. I'm sure you'll see at this year's E3. For anybody who has a Wii, they can rest assured that we'll be bringing some fantastic new experiences to them." [quote/]
Full article http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=15229 (http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=15229)
If anything we will only be enjoying our Wii's from June on up. Good thing I am a Pokeholic...
Considering at one time Reggie stated that he thought Wii Music and Animal Crossing: City Folk were "fantastic new experiences" for the Christmas Season, this does not exactly fill me with hope. Hopefully, he'll provide such experiences, given that my Wii has basically now become my Virtual Console/WiiWare machine from lack of use.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
My Wii has blended into the black entertainment system it sits inside of.
I only just remembered it was there when the blue light started to glow a few weeks ago.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 02, 2011, 09:14:10 PM
Considering at one time Reggie stated that he thought Wii Music and Animal Crossing: City Folk were "fantastic new experiences" for the Christmas Season, this does not exactly fill me with hope. Hopefully, he'll provide such experiences, given that my Wii has basically now become my Virtual Console/WiiWare machine from lack of use.
Reggie has to say every game NOA releases is fantastic or else he'll be fired. The only time he's allowed to be truthful is if the game isn't going to be released in America like Disaster where he outright trashed the game.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: broodwars on April 03, 2011, 09:16:14 PM
Considering at one time Reggie stated that he thought Wii Music and Animal Crossing: City Folk were "fantastic new experiences" for the Christmas Season, this does not exactly fill me with hope. Hopefully, he'll provide such experiences, given that my Wii has basically now become my Virtual Console/WiiWare machine from lack of use.
Reggie has to say every game NOA releases is fantastic or else he'll be fired.
I believe you just made my point.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Ian Sane on April 04, 2011, 12:45:19 PM
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Considering at one time Reggie stated that he thought Wii Music and Animal Crossing: City Folk were "fantastic new experiences" for the Christmas Season, this does not exactly fill me with hope.
I remember when Reggie first debuted everyone was all into the "kicking ass and taking names" stuff. What the probably missed is that he said the DS launch title that most impressed him was some bullshit Spider-Man game that no one remembers. It did not take long for me to regard him as a mere shill.
But then NOA has never been able to promise much. Since most of the Nintendo's games come from Japan if NCL ain't making them NOA just has nothing to offer. NOA can't make promises so their promises mean squat.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 04, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
Well NOA did help get us the new Punch-Out for the Wii.
Tanabe: After we finished Mario Strikers Charged, we discussed what we would do next. I had heard that they wanted to make a new version of one of Nintendo's properties, and since Punch-Out!! has been consistently popular in America, they said that they would really like to make a new version.
Miyamoto: NOA has been asking for a new version of Punch-Out!! for a long time as well.
So NOA can be of some use in helping to inform NCL on what's popular in America. Of course since Miyamoto said NOA had been asking for a new Punch-Out for a long time, it shows they have to be really devoted in order to get it NCL to eventually listen.
It makes me wonder if there's any other games NOA might want that NCL is still taking their time to decide.
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Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2011, 03:39:59 PM
Epic Mickey was a gift for Christmas. I played it for about a week pretty solid but, got side tracked and never finished it. The last time I played my Wii before that was ... when Super Mario Galaxy 2 came out. I stuck through that almost to the end but I have a severe hate of Bowser Jr. because he's annoying and the Koopa Kids are much better characters.
My PS3 gets use everyday of the week pretty much since I've bought it because of everything it does. Nothing Wii wise I just had to have last year.
Now for full disclosure I did buy a 3DS at launch with Super Monkey Ball and SSF4 3D Edition. I have to say I am thoroughly enjoying it.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 04, 2011, 03:42:19 PM
What should happen is NOA should be seriously beefed up and given the autonomy it needs to put out its own titles. That's what should happen. Not only would that alleviate the games shortage, but it would also pump out games which are tailor made with the North American market in mind. Some of those games could of course then be exported to Japan, Europe, and other markets. It would be a win-win situation for everyone.
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Post by: bustin98 on April 04, 2011, 03:55:19 PM
@Ceric! I see you on your PS3 almost every day, too. I haven't really played on the Wii since Goldeneye. Though I plan on picking up Conduit 2. Right now the kids use it in their playroom for Netflix.
I agree that NOA should be on their own to better deal with this market. They seemed more interested in selling the Wii as an accessory to Wii Sports rather than a gaming machine capable of so much more. The people who bought the Wii for Wii Sports weren't interested in much beyond that experience, and those that are interested in a much more rounded experience do not appreciate the hand holding route that Nintendo takes. I believe the Japanese influence is mostly responsible for this, though there is probably still some corporate culture lingering from Howard Lincoln's days. It probably kills some old dude there each time they ok a game with red blood and curse words.
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Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2011, 05:07:55 PM
Hey Bustin,
I totally forgot about Goldeneye... That might be worth picking up if its cheap now.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Ian Sane on April 04, 2011, 06:02:18 PM
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What should happen is NOA should be seriously beefed up and given the autonomy it needs to put out its own titles.
Sounds good in theory. The only concern is the quality. Nintendo maintains a pretty high standard of quality. Can NOA be trusted to maintain that without direction from NCL? I'll admit I've got a pretty strong bias towards Japanese game development. Would we get more Metroid Prime or more Geist?
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 04, 2011, 09:40:39 PM
Can NOA be trusted to maintain that without direction from NCL? I'll admit I've got a pretty strong bias towards Japanese game development. Would we get more Metroid Prime or more Geist?
Yeah, that's the problem with giving NOA more power and leaving them alone. Since all of Nintendo's top game designers are in Japan, there's no guarantee NOA would be able to function right without them.
I mean just look at all the studio's that made good games when NCL designers help give them direction, vs what they make when they're left to do things alone. Factor 5, Silicon Knight, Rare and Next Level Games. All of these studio's made great games when they worked for Nintendo but without Nintendo they're hopless. Actually we should at Retro to the list since the studio was a complete mess until Miyamoto laid down the law which helped shape them to what they are today.
So yeah, NCL's total control over things can be a blessing and curse. On the one hand, NCL a lot of times is responsible for a lack of creativity that some of these studio's might have wanted. But on the other, NCL's control is what caused these studio's to be able to make great games in the first place. So if NOA was to be allowed to be it's own seperate entity, we might end up getting new IP games that appeal more to the American audience, but at the same time the quality of these games won't be anywhere close to the quality of games NCL is involved with since they'd lack the huge talent that NCL currently helps supply.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 05, 2011, 12:48:06 AM
Just my two cents, but what NoA needs is to be given a chance to sprout their own wings, but still be able to call on NCL when needed.
Why can't NoA spear-head more development projects and spin them off to various parts of NCL for further development and play testing?
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2011, 01:19:32 AM
I'm sure NCL already got tired of turning down their crap and wasting Miyamoto's time trying to rework it into something usable by his standards. Maybe they ned to take more of their experienced In-House Devs that have trained under their lord and master and start branching them out to their own studios so that they can farm their own teams.
Send a few of them out to the States and a few more out to Europe. They can't rely on Miyamoto forever, so they need to start testing the waters with new talent sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: If Nintendo are struggling to find games to publish on the Wii this year...
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 05, 2011, 11:03:27 AM
I'm sure NCL already got tired of turning down their crap and wasting Miyamoto's time trying to rework it into something usable by his standards. Maybe they ned to take more of their experienced In-House Devs that have trained under their lord and master and start branching them out to their own studios so that they can farm their own teams.
Send a few of them out to the States and a few more out to Europe. They can't rely on Miyamoto forever, so they need to start testing the waters with new talent sooner rather than later.
Actually Nintendo has been doing this for a while now. Kensuke Tanabe has been in charge of overlooking all of Nintendo's Western made games for almost a decade now. The last Western game Miyamoto really overlooked was the original Metroid Prime. After that Tanabe was basically made the man in charge of all non-Japanese Nintendo developed games.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2011, 11:39:08 AM
and how many games is that? I think that man needs help, maybe either a US or EURO counterpart so he doesn't have to spread himself thin. We need more non-JPN developed games just so we have some variety and a steady stream of content since 3rd parties aren't that interested in bringing everything they got to fill the void.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on April 05, 2011, 01:59:15 PM
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes Geist Battalion Wars Mario Strikers Metroid Prime Hunters Metroid Prime Pinball Mario vs Donkey Kong 2: March of the Mini's Excite Truck Mario Strikers Charged Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Battalion Wars 2 Excitebots: Trick Racing Punch-Out!! Mario vs Donkey Kong: Minis March Again Mario vs Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem Donkey Kong Country Returns Pilotwings Resort
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Post by: BlueStorm on April 07, 2011, 11:49:34 AM
What people fail to realize is that Nintendo employs only 4600 employees. This is far too few to actively support both the Wii and DS with the amount of software people want (and ramp up for unannounced platforms) etc.
Blizzard employs a similar number of people and manages to put what 1-2 titles a year?
It certainly doesn't help that NCL is so Japan centric, and NOA pretty much has to smile and wave (and laugh) at what they say.
This end of cycle lack of games sure gets old. It happens because nintendo just can't produce more content and work on new platforms at the same time.
