Post by: Armed on May 01, 2003, 05:03:15 PM
Article: www.ign.com (Gamecube)
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 01, 2003, 05:10:40 PM
Post by: Stex on May 01, 2003, 05:11:52 PM
What I'm trying to get at is that it is not a knock on GC if they give less support to the console because of poor game sales. It's called business and maximizing profits. Why develop a game for console that they know the game won't sell well on.
NOT EVERYONE'S OUT TO GET NINTENDO PEOPLE. I keep seeing threads like this, and people are pissed at companies that are doing normal business stuff. For example, if a company finds one of their products isn't selling well in a particular store chain, they'll lower or stop altogether the amount of that product they make for that specific chain.
And I'm not saying Midway is a developer of particularly good games, just quoting it as an example.
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 01, 2003, 05:16:25 PM
Post by: Armed on May 01, 2003, 05:23:59 PM
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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Stex: This isn't just MKDA, which wasn't that bad. This is about their other games, like Blitz and Spyhunter and whatnot. They sell well on the XBox and PS2 because those two consoles don't have great 1st and 2nd parties pumping out incredibly good games that we will *obviously* choose above half-assed 3rd-party PORTS of already bad games. The reason 3rd-party games rarely sell well on the Gamecube is because they SUCK. We're not going to pick up a crappy port of a year-and-a-half old game when we have games like Mario and Zelda to choose from. THEN the 3rd-paries blame Nintendo. If they want their games to sell so bad they need to put the time and effort into actually making a good game. Besides, Midway's been losing money for a long time now and it's NOT Nintendo's fault. I realise not everyone's out to get Nintendo, but Midway's obviously just looking for a scapegoat.
I totally agree!!
Why blame the system, what they should be pointing fingers at is the people dishing out the crappy games to the GC.
Also MKDA wasn't that bad, but it just disappointed me because i was expecting more than it actually was.
Post by: Christberg on May 01, 2003, 05:40:28 PM
A last year, and it was like pulling teeth just to get my hands on it. Everything else they released last year that wasn't a sports title did poorly with reviewers, and was poor, and therefore they can blame themselves.I'm sick and tired of hearing about companies blaming Nintendo for their failures when all they do is release poorly done ports of titles that weren't all that great to begin with, often really late, and then don't bother to distribute them properly.
Post by: The Doc on May 01, 2003, 05:45:37 PM
The Doc
Post by: ThePerm on May 01, 2003, 06:09:01 PM
essentially it made one good game this year...this game sold well. They made dozens of crapy games which all sold shit and on all consoles....they take the one with the lowest number and blame it...bull shit. make good games and people will buy them.
hell them creating bad press is a terrible idea...the reason why gamign is beign kept down is because everyone is so pessimistic. A few years ago when the industry wasnt in a depression there was very little trash talkign from companies towards nintendo. Yea, keep it up...destroy the industry.
Post by: Syl on May 01, 2003, 06:13:01 PM
(thats the only series midway makes that i care about.)
The other games.. just weren't amazing titles.....
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 01, 2003, 06:15:12 PM
whoa deja vu like crazy.. okay so yea i got myself back together
yea.. someone should write to Midway about this
Post by: Perfect Cell on May 01, 2003, 06:15:54 PM
Post by: EggyToast on May 01, 2003, 06:23:09 PM
Now, is that so wrong? Now, they're obviously not going to blatantly call their own games crap, so they're going to blame the system. And what does that really mean? It means that the people who *own* the system are too smart to buy crap.
So, really, they're complimenting GC owners.
Post by: Armed on May 01, 2003, 06:33:34 PM
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Originally posted by: EggyToast
Hey, think of it this way. Midway are not saying that "these games perform badly on GC." Rather, they're pretty much saying "Xbox and PS2 owners are dumb enough to buy any flashy crap we put out, and we want to continue making crap, so we're going to continue publishing on the Xbox and PS2."
Now, is that so wrong? Now, they're obviously not going to blatantly call their own games crap, so they're going to blame the system. And what does that really mean? It means that the people who *own* the system are too smart to buy crap.
So, really, they're complimenting GC owners.
Hehehe, never thought of it that way.
Post by: Big_Pimp on May 01, 2003, 07:05:53 PM
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Originally posted by: Armed
What is up with developers blaming the system!? If they just make decent games then we would buy it. I mean do they expect us to buy every crappy game they make like Mortal Kombat, why did they make it to where there moves were more realistic, no teleporting, or the other moves i liked in the SuperNes or N64 version, and also Spy Hunter this game was just bad!!!
Article: www.ign.com (Gamecube)
I agree with what you said, and who cares if Midway decides to lessen support or hell even stops supporting GC, they make crap, so were not missing out on much, besides who in their right mind would choose Dr. Muto over Mario Sunshine?
Post by: Grey Ninja on May 01, 2003, 08:05:28 PM
Post by: greenwood on May 01, 2003, 08:14:54 PM
A and SpyHunter and Dr. Muto are the only ones I can think of (besides their sports games). Spyhunter was a sloppy port, Dr. Muto sold bad on every system (they even cancelled any possible sequels) and I'm sure MK didn't sell as well as the Xbox version (PS2 is obviously excluded) because the Xbox has over 1 million more possible potential customers. And you can't compare PS2 sales to GCN and Xbox's. Of course every game is going to sell more on the PS2, it's only got like 5x the user base. This is just like when THQ blamed GCN for their losses. Release crap then get pissed when it doesn't sell. What kind of thinking is that? I'm not saying Midway shouldn't re-evaluate themselves and their game releases but they need to accept at least part of the blame. You can't just try to absolve yourself of any fault in this type of situation. They need to look at when they release their games to see what would be the best time to do so. You don't want to launch your game up against a Zelda, Mario, Metroid, or any other big games, which is sometimes unavoidable. But you also have to look at the market. Yeah, platform-type games seem to sell better (percentage-wise) on the GCN compared to the Xbox or PS2 (look at the sales of R&C or Sly Cooper or Blinx for examples) but you can't expect an average platformer to sell well just because of that.
Anyway, there's not much else I can say that hasn't already been posted but did you guys notice that Haven (which was axed after the PS2 version sold poorly) is back from the dead? Xicat is publishing it now.
Post by: RickPowers on May 01, 2003, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: The Doc on May 02, 2003, 06:54:11 AM
The Doc
Post by: couchmonkey on May 02, 2003, 07:17:27 AM
Post by: Zelda on May 02, 2003, 09:46:46 AM
Post by: godwheel on May 02, 2003, 10:23:55 AM
One more thing, Acclaim, a company which had developed pretty crappy games for a while, is starting to develop more solid titles (Burnout 2, Xtreme G...) and these titles have sold better than expected. Moral of the story? Make a good game and people will buy it.
Post by: kennyb27 on May 02, 2003, 12:47:30 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on May 02, 2003, 12:53:07 PM
Post by: PIAC on May 02, 2003, 01:29:06 PM
ph33r my red archer
other than that, meh just gives good titles more space on shelves
Post by: Ace on May 02, 2003, 02:17:32 PM
Post by: Armed on May 02, 2003, 07:28:12 PM
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Okay, just a second here, it's not like Midway says, "We're losing money because the GameCube sucks". They're saying, "We're losing money because we can't sell games on the GameCube". Which is entirely true. Sure their games may be crap, but they have every right to take those games off the Cube, and if you all think they're so lousy in the first place, then why do you care if Midway withdraws GameCube support?
I don't care if they make anymore games for the GameCube, its just that they are putting Nintendos reputation down by blaming them instead of themselves, and this will lead to chain reactions of people not wanting to buy/produce games for Nintendo because this kinds of article makes it seem like Nintendo is not selling or is turning into a Sega.
Post by: odinfire on May 03, 2003, 04:46:07 AM
Post by: Kulock on May 03, 2003, 10:06:39 AM
The worst part is they don't understand why lazy ports of 2-3 month-old games aren't selling well... so people not only had to wait longer on something (during which they probably gave up and got it for another console or played a friend's copy), but we don't even get an optimised product for the extra time we wait. Gee, Billy (no reference to this site's now-retired leader), I wonder why Gamecube sales of a game are piddling in comparison... The only people that wait are those that don't have a second console, and really, most game fans can't be single-console gamers anymore, the market's changed too much. Two years ago I thought I'd be GCN-only. Today I have a PS2 and an Xbox as well. (Although I admit the Xbox does not get much mileage at all, and I'm not lying to "save face" or anything.) If you want to play the games, you have to go where they're available. So many gamers already have gone two-console or have a friend who's console they use.
So that's possibly why Xbox sales are inflated (it's harder to notice with the PS2 sales) versus the GCN sales, because half the audience who would've bought it on GCN had it been available at the time said, "To heck with it, I'm not waiting," and bought it on one of the other two consoles. And after they get into the trend of doing so, they don't stop when Midway finally releases one GCN port on-time with the other two releases.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 07, 2003, 03:23:21 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 07, 2003, 04:32:10 AM
You're complaining that nobody buys Midway games because they're garbage, because Nintendo games are way better?
How convenient. They're gonna stop making those garbage games for you.
You win.
Post by: Segnit BGS on May 07, 2003, 06:08:40 AM
Else, Spy Hunter was and still is a really, and i mean really a crappy port... it was sickening. It was just a massive disgrace. I really have no idea who was responsible for that. I didn't even know it was possible to downgrade a game so much... they must have really put effort into it. Or maybe they just had a time limit of 2 months to convert the code over to the GC, but seeing as they were too busy playing Luigi's Mansion, they only got underway with the crap-a-port the night before the game went gold. I can't believe i bothered to get out of bed and waste a single finger reflex on them.
Midway sucks on all the machines. Here's hoping their new batch of games is actually worth something. I am optimistic and really do hope for the best... there can never be too many good games. C'mon guy's you can do better, you most certainly can't do any worse (games wise)... or maybe you can
Post by: Nintendork SP on May 07, 2003, 06:40:51 AM
Post by: egman on May 07, 2003, 12:23:23 PM
While I won't miss them if they decided just completely cut support, this is just something else to feed the fanboys and media outlets who see Nintendo as a slowly sinking ship. It really didn't help that this press release targeted GC for bad sales. I accept the fact that GC is pulling the least amount of numbers (although Midway GC sales trail Xbox only by small margin), so dropping certain titles makes sense. But I just wish 3rd parties would more careful about what they say without completely factoring in what they may have done to result in poor sales.
Midway needs to realize that certain genres that sell on the PS2 are not going to move games on the GC and vice versa. Also, 3rd parties can't fool the whole GC userbase--some of us can smell a pos a mile away, so don't waste your time with a port if it's only going to get minimal effort applied because of the GC's "small" userbase. Crappier games != more $$$.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 07, 2003, 12:41:47 PM
You do realize Nintendo THEMSELVES stated the very same thing about the GC.
Sales are no-where's near as high as these companies expect and it really doesn't have much to do with ratings.
Madden, TS2, ect all sold the LEAST on the GC. For example, Madden 2k3 sold a mere 200K on the GC when is sold 400K on the Xbox, and 1 Million+ on the PS2.
It's not rocket science to figure out that nintendo HAS to do something, which it has (it dropped the royalities DOWN, which now matches Xbox & PS2, yeah not only did the games sell less but they also generated the least on the GC). Another step seems to be the DEAL with EA and it continuous Support. Not really sure the exact deal but one can assume there was a one.
Post by: ThePerm on May 07, 2003, 12:54:50 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 07, 2003, 12:58:19 PM
Wake me up when they announce their next Rush game won't be coming to GameCube. Then I might actually care
Post by: WesDawg on May 07, 2003, 01:10:20 PM
Revenue by Platform (in thousands) Three-Months Ended March 31,
Platform.........................................................2003.......2002
------------------------------------------------------ -------- ---------
Sony PlayStation 2....................................$26,251....$8,779
Microsoft Xbox............................................ 11,471......7,839
Nintendo GameCube.....................................4,961....11,130
Nintendo Game Boy Advance........................2,357.........223
Sony PlayStation..............................................686.........700
Coin-Op and Other..........................................100.......2,336
---------------------------------------------------- ---------- -----------
Total Revenue...........................................$45,826...$31,007
Theres no doubt that the Cube didn't pull its weight to well in these first months. I don't really understand why PS2 sales were as high as they were, but they were amazing, and they make the Cube look kinda dumb. Thats getting to be a pretty common thing though. I guess having 10x the user base probably helps. Competing with Zelda and.... well Zelda, I guess you could understand why Cube owners would be a little slow to buy MK or even SlugFest.
I'm hoping the next few months see all the people buying the bundles invest in some more games. I'm also hoping when finals get over I'll finaly have some time to finaly start playing again.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 07, 2003, 01:22:42 PM
As for their support of Nintendo. . . I don't care; I seldom buy anything other than Nintendo titles unless I suspect that I'll really like them.
