Post by: NWR_pap64 on June 17, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=23417
Nintendo President Satoru Iwata addressed his thoughts on 3D console gaming in an interview in today's Nihon Keizai Shimbun.
When asked if the Wii would be made 3D compatible, he responded that it really isn't possible with Wii hardware. "If you display a 3D image, the image quality becomes extremely bad, so we'd probably do it with the next system. We're thinking that the timing should be once the 3D television adoption rate crosses the 30% mark. We're looking at the adoption trends."
The newspaper asked if the 3DS represented Nintendo riding the wave of the 3D boom that seems to have invaded video gaming as of late. Iwata was quick to point out that Nintendo is not new to 3D, and that they had already been experimenting with immersive 3D gameplay fifteen years ago with their Virtual Boy system. Admitting that the technology "was not ready" at that time, he stated that his company put 3D gaming on the back burner until approximately two years ago, when they realized that they finally had the technology to create "a satisfying product".
Iwata said that the goal of implementing 3D is to give players the ability to sense their position in a game more easily. "In a game where the stages extend into the screen, it's surprisingly easier to control [compared to non-3D]. This is functionality for making games more pleasant to play, not just for show," he explained.
He was also bullish on the future of 3D gaming, calling it "the mainstream of [future] gaming".
Post by: oohhboy on June 17, 2010, 11:05:33 AM
My guess is that 3D TVs is going to trend similarly to what HD TVs did this generation. Effectively unmarketable during launch and pretty much a wasted feature until very late in the generation. If 3D can be rolled in at negligible cost, I don't see why not. But I wouldn't bank on it as it can very well be the HD cost hike for next gen. The HD guys have barely survived this gen if you can call it that.
Settle for HD and let 3D be Next-next gen. #DS is going to hold down the fort for you.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2010, 11:11:39 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
Nintendo can't make a big deal about doing 3D without glasses on the 3DS and then go backwards by using glasses-based 3D on a console. They'll wait until they can do it without glasses on the console, and that's fine, because 3D TVs won't be anything more than a small niche market until they don't need glasses anymore anyway.But glasses-free TVs are at least 15 years away I think. Being able to show that 3D effect to multiple people is something even the 3DS cannot do right now. So according to you, 3D gaming won't take off until 2-3 generations from now.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2010, 11:43:47 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 11:53:54 AM
No, 3D gaming is going to take off next year. 3D gaming on consoles, however, isn't going to really take off until a significant number of people own 3D TVs, and those aren't going to be that popular if you need glasses to do it, especially when those glasses cost $150 a pair.I'm confused because the PS3 is a console and it will have 3D gaming this year, but because it's a console, 3D gaming on the PS3 won't take off next year?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2010, 11:56:40 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 17, 2010, 12:03:50 PM
It reminds me of how Nintendo didn't go online with the Gamecube because of the flimsiest excuse about not enough people having broadband or some **** only to go WIRELESS ONLY on the Wii when wireless was not as common at that point as broadband was when the Cube was current.
3D will never go anywhere anyway. The 3DS will be an exception because it doesn't need glasses and doesn't cost thousands of dollars.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 12:05:19 PM
By "take off" I mean become mainstream popular. I highly doubt the 3D features of the PS3 will be used by that many people. Consoles will be capable of 3D, but it will be a niche market.So where is the 3D gaming going to become mainstream popular then? On the PC you will still need to have a newer nVidia care and have a motherboard and processor that can handle those games plus have the monitor that can do 3D as well.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
Also, this is just talk. Nothing is finalized on their next console, even when they are going to release it. So take a chill pill dude.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2010, 12:16:15 PM
By "take off" I mean become mainstream popular. I highly doubt the 3D features of the PS3 will be used by that many people. Consoles will be capable of 3D, but it will be a niche market.So where is the 3D gaming going to become mainstream popular then? On the PC you will still need to have a newer nVidia care and have a motherboard and processor that can handle those games plus have the monitor that can do 3D as well.
I don't know if you've been following E3, but Nintendo announced a new handheld system that does 3D gaming that I expect will be at least moderately successful.
Post by: Arbok on June 17, 2010, 12:20:10 PM
I don't know if you've been following E3, but Nintendo announced a new handheld system that does 3D gaming that I expect will be at least moderately successful.
On that note, that works fine for me too.
Handhelds: Touch screen and 3D display
Consoles: Motion controls
Each unique and possible of diverse experiences versus the other, exactly what the PSP was not compared to the PS2.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 12:43:18 PM
Ah, well, you got me there. But I was already agreeing with you. I think we were crossing wires on what this conversation was about, since this wasn't a topic about the 3DS. I was talking about on the tv on computer monitor.By "take off" I mean become mainstream popular. I highly doubt the 3D features of the PS3 will be used by that many people. Consoles will be capable of 3D, but it will be a niche market.So where is the 3D gaming going to become mainstream popular then? On the PC you will still need to have a newer nVidia care and have a motherboard and processor that can handle those games plus have the monitor that can do 3D as well.
I don't know if you've been following E3, but Nintendo announced a new handheld system that does 3D gaming that I expect will be at least moderately successful.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 17, 2010, 12:50:19 PM
Post by: Pale on June 17, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
I'm with Ian, though not quite as angrily. :) Get your priorities straight on the console front Nintendo. You have other areas that you need to catch up in first.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
Yeah, that was the main point; you quoted my argument as being that 3D wouldn't catch on for a while, and I said that to point out that I thought the exception to that was the 3DS, but I may have been too subtle about that. My mistake.Yeah, I didn't get it. Others may have though so I may have just been the nitwit here. :)
Post by: ShyGuy on June 17, 2010, 01:41:27 PM
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
Should my next TV be 3D?That's what all the tv manufacturers want your next tv to be. :)
Post by: Ian Sane on June 17, 2010, 02:17:37 PM
But if they're going to wait until 3D TVs have a 30% adoption rate well what timeframe are we talking about? Three years? Five years? The Wii was out-of-date the day it was released. If there was ever a console that needed to be replaced after five years on the button, the Wii was it. I'm not saying the PS3 is going to dethrone them overnight or likely even this gen. But Sony is just rebuilding bit by bit while Nintendo stagnates with their **** third party support and cookie-cutter sequels. I think the dire third party situation should be reason enough for Nintendo to consider releasing a follow-up soon. It's not good marketing for people to see all these awesome games on the competition's shelves and not your own. Nintendo has their head clearly deep up their ass if they don't see that as a problem. That's like advertising PS3s.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 03:03:14 PM
Nintendo will release their new system when they feel the Wii no longer can make them the same profits that they have been making for the last 3+ years. Is that next year? Is it 3 years? 5 years? Nobody knows but Nintendo. Plus Iwata never said it was a certain thing that 3D would be a part of their next system. Just that the Wii is not capable and that they'd probably have to wait until the next system to even think about it. They may wait for 2 or 3 systems.
Post by: Arbok on June 17, 2010, 03:16:27 PM
But if they're going to wait until 3D TVs have a 30% adoption rate well what timeframe are we talking about? Three years? Five years?
Iwata never said the next console was tied to 3D TVs... the comment was even directed at the Wii. All he said was that the Wii couldn't do it, due to processing power, but that it was something for the next console.
All this means is:
1. The next console will be powerful enough to do 3D
2. Nintendo will only focus on 3D console gaming if TV adoption rate is above 30%
Period. Please don't twist the data to make it seem like Nintendo is gearing up for 3D TVs, or even that the comment makes it seem like they are waiting for 3D adoption rate before releasing another console... because neither is true based on the statement.
Post by: Stratos on June 17, 2010, 03:21:41 PM
Post by: ThePerm on June 17, 2010, 03:35:00 PM
everyone says its a hoax, but i buy its explanation on how it works. Or if it doesn't work, i have already thought about how it COULD work. I've even thought of ways of doing it that are even more efficient then the way they described it.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 17, 2010, 05:55:24 PM
They already have viable options to make 3D TVs without glasses. I saw a tech demo where they placed a clear screen over a 3D TV and it made it viewable in 3D. They can currently make it viewable from 8 different angles and they expect to get it up to 64 angles in the next year.It's similar to what M$ has just bought up. Everyone is trying to make 3D without glasses. Nintendo was first to implement it in a consumer product. My guess is it'll still take 15 years to get it into tvs and then into homes.
Post by: Mop it up on June 17, 2010, 07:55:40 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2010, 09:45:54 PM
Doesn't mean it will be 3D focused, or that 3D will be the main feature, just means that the system will be capable of outputting 3D graphics should the need or desire arise. No different than the Gamcube and the Wii.
Post by: Louieturkey on June 18, 2010, 02:37:49 AM
The Wii and the GC are ALREADY 3D capable (from the mouth of Iwata himself). So why would it seem like a stretch that the Wii2 would be 3D capable too?He also said no to the Wii doing it because the games would look like utter crap, even for an SD game.
Doesn't mean it will be 3D focused, or that 3D will be the main feature, just means that the system will be capable of outputting 3D graphics should the need or desire arise. No different than the Gamcube and the Wii.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 18, 2010, 02:43:56 AM
Yeah, I saw that and commented in the other thread (that I saw first), but I don't understand the questioning of the next Nintendo console being 3D capable when the last 2 were and that feature was just never utilized or activated and probably not even known about to most until very recently.The Wii and the GC are ALREADY 3D capable (from the mouth of Iwata himself). So why would it seem like a stretch that the Wii2 would be 3D capable too?He also said no to the Wii doing it because the games would look like utter crap, even for an SD game.
Doesn't mean it will be 3D focused, or that 3D will be the main feature, just means that the system will be capable of outputting 3D graphics should the need or desire arise. No different than the Gamcube and the Wii.
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 18, 2010, 04:19:07 AM
Post by: Louieturkey on June 18, 2010, 02:30:52 PM
They will probably go the same route with the N6. Have the ability locked away dormant somewhere just in case, but focus on the HD side of things.Yeah, they'll hide it away until 3D tvs reach 30% market penetration. :)
Post by: Stratos on June 19, 2010, 06:50:58 AM
Post by: Sarail on June 19, 2010, 03:10:14 PM
I don't want that name associated with any next-gen console Nintendo may produce.
Post by: Stratos on June 19, 2010, 05:40:51 PM
Post by: Mop it up on June 19, 2010, 05:48:22 PM
Post by: ThePerm on June 19, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2010, 11:51:30 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6266844.html
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Iwata also announced Nintendo's plans to make the successor to the Wii 3D compatible, telling Nikkei that "a full-scale entry into this field will take some time because 3D televisions will not catch on right away."
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2010, 12:54:23 AM
we've gone from "may" be to "will" be in a matter of a week
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6266844.html (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6266844.html)QuoteIwata also announced Nintendo's plans to make the successor to the Wii 3D compatible, telling Nikkei that "a full-scale entry into this field will take some time because 3D televisions will not catch on right away."
How will it take the 3D televisions to settle into the market? I am speculating atleast two years anf five at the most. I could be wrong, but Nintendo will most likely wait until the technology gets cheaper and implement it like they always do.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 24, 2010, 12:17:57 PM
I honestly think that as successful as the Wii has been, hanging on to it for too long will hurt Nintendo. The Wii has been an over-achiever since day one. I think replacing it should be a priority. It has too many very serious flaws to just hope that people don't notice them for a couple more years.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 24, 2010, 12:55:47 PM
If they're waiting for 3D television adoption to cross 30%, they're going to be waiting a long time.
Post by: Pale on June 24, 2010, 12:57:16 PM
However, supporting it also means reserving horse power for that ability... which sucks! :)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2010, 01:03:59 PM
I think Wii2 will be released with around the usual window of new system release and if 3DSTV's catch on, then Nintendo will be ready to unlock the feature and have more than enough horsepower to do it properly.
