Post by: Ninja X on April 26, 2003, 08:54:07 PM
This game might be Nintendo's biggest title for 2003. Nothing much is known about it, so it seems Nintendo wants to shroud it in secret. Along with Pikmin 2, Mario Kart: DD, and the already released Wind Waker, it looks as if this year will be great for first-party titles.
Post by: ThePerm on April 26, 2003, 09:00:37 PM
Post by: bonestormer on April 26, 2003, 10:16:20 PM
It has to be better then the subpar SFA, but Im not sure I like my Star Fox to be so "arcadey".
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 26, 2003, 10:25:46 PM
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Post by: Zelda on April 26, 2003, 11:06:12 PM
Post by: Hybrid Hunter on April 27, 2003, 12:25:36 AM
Hope we see something good at E3.
Post by: PIAC on April 27, 2003, 02:10:33 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on April 27, 2003, 05:11:44 AM
I guess Starfox Adventures is gonna be really huge and awesome and therefore takes so long.
Post by: Ninja X on April 27, 2003, 07:55:45 AM
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Post by: kennyb27 on April 27, 2003, 12:13:39 PM
QuoteHaha, that was some great stuff, it was always there for a good laugh.
Let's hope they use good voice actors, unlike the 64 version...
QuoteActually, bonestormer, since Star Fox is Nintendo property and it will be published by Nintendo, it's up to Nintendo as when to disclose information to the gaming public.
Don't forget this game is being developed by Namco so it might be more up to them to release more information on it.
Post by: Gharakh on April 27, 2003, 12:42:04 PM
too human, and rogue squadron 3 are already killin me with anticipation hehe
Post by: "Sky" on April 27, 2003, 12:45:16 PM
BTW, even if Star Fox Armada is to come out this year it nevertheless won't be the biggest Nintendo title of 2003, Mario Kart: Double Dash!! will hold that throne
Post by: Locke Cole on April 27, 2003, 12:50:43 PM
Post by: "Sky" on April 27, 2003, 02:21:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Locke Cole
Sky, I wouldn't hold Mario Kart that high up there, think about the many other games we have coming...
I'm talking about in terms of sales. Mario Kart will sell more than Star Fox, and most games on the GCN for that matter. I'm quite sure of it based on N64 sales
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 27, 2003, 03:37:25 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 27, 2003, 04:01:02 PM
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Originally posted by: "Sky"
If Matt from IGN is to be believed... Silicon Knights' game for E3 will not be Too Human, rather something else.
I am inclined to believe that, as all the E3 things have said Silicon Knight's mysterious game, rather than Too Human. I don't think that there would be all the secrecy about the title if it was merely Too Human.
Post by: Locke Cole on April 27, 2003, 04:05:20 PM
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Post by: Locke Cole on April 27, 2003, 04:18:56 PM
Post by: Ninja X on April 27, 2003, 04:22:03 PM
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Originally posted by: "Sky"
I'm talking about in terms of sales. Mario Kart will sell more than Star Fox, and most games on the GCN for that matter. I'm quite sure of it based on N64 sales
How many copies did Star Fox 64 sell worldwide and region-wise?
Just curious...
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 27, 2003, 04:26:02 PM
Post by: Locke Cole on April 27, 2003, 04:27:19 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 27, 2003, 04:27:40 PM
Edit: I still remember the day that I got Starfox, there were a bunch of people outside of the Best Buy and the manager asked, "are there any people here that don't want Starfox" ah, childhod memories
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 27, 2003, 04:30:24 PM
I had rented the game a few times before that, and it just started getting to me. I became obsessed with the game and bought a copy.I continually speak against online gaming with consoles.... but I would actually consider buying a broadband adaptor for Star Fox GCN. I can just imagine how much fun I would have playing Star Fox online.... Nobody will play Star Fox 64 with me anymore because I got too good at it.
Post by: Ninja X on April 27, 2003, 04:30:33 PM
Sky, you probably are right about Mario Kart selling the most this year for GCN. It is big in both Japan and America, the key video game markets. Not to mention Europe and Australia are probably anticipating it as heavily just looking at this forum users.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 27, 2003, 04:34:46 PM
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Post by: Ninja X on April 27, 2003, 05:02:34 PM
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Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 27, 2003, 06:32:55 PM
It was old-school gaming though, and that's good, but it's what also made it a short game.
Plus the voices for the characters weren't forced like in Star Fox Adventures. They seemed more natural.
I'm soooo looking forward to Star Fox Armada.
Post by: Caterkiller on April 27, 2003, 07:14:49 PM
The voice acting was pretty good for me. It wasn't bad at all. My view of bad is Sonic Adventure. There just wasn't enough tank stages for me. I found the ending to be pretty good with James leading you out of Venom and then vanishing. I thought the way SFA did that same thing with Falco was incredibly forced and stupid, just MO.
Any way can't wait for Armada, I just hope its co-op and is as good as SF64.
Post by: KrazyJ1098 on April 27, 2003, 07:29:45 PM
they are nothing when compared to the super nintendo versions. i find the super nintendo versions to be a lot better and a lot more fun. i cannot stop playing them to this day. i have a feeling the same will hold true with the gamecube versions as well. i will definitely get them, but i doubt they will hold me like the originals.
Post by: Mingesium on April 27, 2003, 07:43:07 PM
Japan
Star Fox 64 - 373,479
USA
with rumble - 1,903,652
without rumble - 489,055
Post by: PIAC on April 27, 2003, 07:51:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Ninja X
Sky, you probably are right about Mario Kart selling the most this year for GCN. It is big in both Japan and America, the key video game markets. Not to mention Europe and Australia are probably anticipating it as heavily just looking at this forum users.
yes us people out in the distance lands do enjoy all the same games as you NTSC land people
just takes us a month of sundays to get them (as i have proclaimed adnausium 
) im not sure what i want more tbh, mario kart DD or Star Fox..
Post by: joeamis on April 27, 2003, 07:52:53 PM
but rather then saying the snes versions were better than the n64 games
i think this is the reason why you hold them closer to your heart:
they were brand new original games, the n64 games were sequels
the n64 games...you knew what it was gonna be like and it wasn't something
brand new to your imagination...
i for one am looking forward to starfox armada quite possibly more than any other game
i absolutely loved the first starfox and would watch the opening sequence cinema
over and over and over, alas i never did get starfox 64 (i cant remember why the H*** not heheheh)
but i did play it (multiplayer only) at my friends house quite a bit and it was very much fun indeed
i also love the name of the new game starfox ARMADA, pure genius
i see a trend now...rather then tack on GC to the end of their games like they did with the 64...64...64 on so many n64 games, they are coming out with original titles... nintendo never fails to please...!
Post by: ThePerm on April 27, 2003, 09:24:08 PM
ot has there been anything of the sort that just murders everything.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2003, 09:01:13 AM
Screw voice acting. Let's kick it old school and go back to inane SNES style gibberish. I want to hear Falco say "Doo boo doo rad oo".
Anyway the REAL Star Fox games are some of my favourite games ever so naturally I'm pretty excited about this new one. Some key features I would love to see implemented would be the ability to have four-player missions where everyone plays a member of the Star Fox team. The ability to play the single player game with four players would be amazing but if it's not feasible then simply having a few special four player "training" missions would suffice. Anything involving multiplayer co-op would be great. I'd also like to see some levels where you can switch vehicles as you go. You could start a level with the tank and then have it morph into the Arwing at a key point. In fact having vehicle morphing in certain missions would add a lot of strategy.
One concern I have though is that Nintendo themselves aren't handling the game. I mean Namco is a good developer but they're not NINTENDO good and (much as I'm worried about Sega working on F-Zero) they could f*ck it up. Rare had some Arwing missions in SFA and for the most part they were boring as hell. There's a fine line between inane shooting and dodging, and a well designed and fun game. I'm also worried that, like most non-Nintendo developers, Namco will make Star Fox Armada a cookie cutter sequel without any real new features. I don't want Star Fox 64 with better graphics. Or worse they could take it to the other extreme and completely change the way the game plays.
As for Star Fox 64's sales, that's not a good way to predict Star Fox Armada sales. When Star Fox 64 was released the N64 was the number one console in North America. The Gamecube obviously is not in that same situation. SF64 also had great timing with it's release as it came out right after a game drought which resulted in several starved N64 gamers buying it simply because there was nothing else worth playing. Now SF64 was a worthwhile purchase but I doubt it would have sold as well if it was released a month after a big first party release.
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on April 28, 2003, 10:01:16 AM
And Sega made F-Zero great, the graphics are awesome and the gameplay mechanics are practically the same, and impression so far were awesome.
Post by: ThePerm on April 28, 2003, 10:19:08 AM
Post by: joeamis on April 28, 2003, 10:21:07 AM
and much of that has to do with nintendo working with them on the title
so i don't think the new starfox will be not as good as the others,
nintendo is working with namco just like they did with sega for f-zero...
so there is nothing to worry about
Post by: oSiRiS on April 28, 2003, 10:58:24 AM
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Originally posted by: joeamis
mr krazy i can understand your sentiment...
but rather then saying the snes versions were better than the n64 games
i think this is the reason why you hold them closer to your heart:
they were brand new original games, the n64 games were sequels
the n64 games...you knew what it was gonna be like and it wasn't something
brand new to your imagination...
I liked MK64 over MK SNES, but SF64 is definitely inferior in gameplay to SF SNES. I'm not exactly sure why, considering the N64 version had things like textures, lighting, voices, new vehicles, new gameplay modes, etc... but for some reason I always have more fun with the snes version.
My brother, a senior in college, agrees with me that the snes version is better than sf64. It's rather odd.
As for adventuring...
I sincerely hope there is absolutely no adventuring at all. Starfox is an arcade shooter and it doesnt belong as an adventure except in spinoffs. I'm hopeful that Namco will hold true to the star fox series.
Also, F-zero is looking fine and didn't Sega start about the same time as Namco?
Maybe Namco put it on the back burner or something?
I sure hope not. I *NEED* this game.
Post by: oSiRiS on April 28, 2003, 11:02:32 AM
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I'd also like to see some levels where you can switch vehicles as you go. You could start a level with the tank and then have it morph into the Arwing at a key point. In fact having vehicle morphing in certain missions would add a lot of strategy.
You could morph your vehicle in the unreleased Starfox 2 for SNES. Starfox 2 was always all range mode though, which kind of sucks because I like the space rail shooting.
Post by: nolimit19 on April 28, 2003, 11:14:48 AM
Post by: joeamis on April 28, 2003, 11:28:52 AM
Also, F-zero is looking fine and didn't Sega start about the same time as Namco?
Maybe Namco put it on the back burner or something?
I sure hope not. I *NEED* this game.
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it takes much longer to make a flight/adventure game than
a racing game
knowing from the past as what f-zero and starfox have had in each game
starfox requires:
1. more voice work
2. more level design
3. more enemies
Post by: Locke Cole on April 28, 2003, 11:38:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Let's hope they use good voice actors, unlike the 64 version"
Screw voice acting. Let's kick it old school and go back to inane SNES style gibberish. I want to hear Falco say "Doo boo doo rad oo".
Word! I loved the Snes StarFox when I was younger. I rented it twice, and after that rent I needed that game. Hopefully Sega and Namco will not break the great REAL Starfox traditions. Great gameplay and action.
Post by: Ninja X on April 28, 2003, 11:58:55 AM
Nintendo is working with Namco to develop Star Fox, so you do not have to worry there. Metroid Prime was developed by a team outside of Nintendo and it won Game of the Year in EGM, Gamespot.com, and in an awards ceremony.
Armada's sales will be lower than Star Fox 64, that is a given. However, nobody predicted Armada's sales by looking at Star Fox 64's sales. Check this thread if you want to see.
Star Fox has appeal to people who do not play video games much. Mainly older people out of this group, though. My brother stopped playing video games altogether after 10th grade of high school. Soon, the Nintendo 64 came out and so did Star Fox the summer after. It was probably the only game he liked after he gave up games.
Post by: Ninja X on April 30, 2003, 04:46:05 PM
Armada showing at E3
And it seems as if the focus of the game is on multiplayer rather than single player.
Post by: Termin8Anakin on April 30, 2003, 05:35:40 PM
I think it's good that Namco and Nintendo are focussing on the multiplayer. That's what needed work the most.
Post by: Caterkiller on April 30, 2003, 07:21:42 PM
Post by: Mingesium on April 30, 2003, 07:52:52 PM
Post by: oSiRiS on April 30, 2003, 08:43:02 PM
D, and SF:A will be the highlights and "big names" of E3.Or perhaps a mystery title?
Also, someone said that a racing game is easier to make than a flight/adventure game.
FOR THE LAST TIME, SF:A HAS ABSOLUTELY NO ADVENTURE IN IT.
And if I eat my words, and it does have adventure, well, suicide looks nice.
Post by: Ocarina Blue on May 01, 2003, 12:12:34 AM
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on May 01, 2003, 12:47:50 AM
