Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2010, 01:32:32 AM
Title: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2010, 01:32:32 AM
Rivals are invading its patch, but Nintendo is ready to go to war (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article7118570.ece)
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Nintendo is preparing to unleash the full force of its development and marketing artillery against Apple after profits tumbled at the Japanese giant for the first time in six years.
The reversal of fortunes, though flagged in advance by the company, throws the spotlight on threats to what once seemed a bulletproof business.
Satoru Iwata, the Nintendo president, is understood to have told his senior executives recently to regard the battle with Sony as a victory already won and to treat Apple, and its iPhone and iPad devices, as the “enemy of the future” .
That, say analysts, may be premature. Last Christmas, almost twice as many Wii consoles were sold in the US as the PlayStation3. But games developers increasingly see Sony’s machine as having a large enough base of users to justify not making titles for the Nintendo machine.
Sony and Microsoft are also making their own forays into family-oriented gaming and the iPhone has emerged as a formidable competitor for Nintendo in the handheld gaming arena once dominated by the DS console.
Sources close to the Kyoto-based company describe a mood of concern as the hardware and software divisions race to restore the capacity to “surprise” — a traditional feature of Nintendo games that Mr Iwata holds dear.
The company’s recent strategy has centred on creating devices aimed not just at children and dedicated — generally male — gamers, but at the whole family. Two years ago, the company claimed to have permanently altered the demographics of video games by raising the average age and the gender mix of gamers. Unfortunately, the very people it claimed to have converted — high-school girls and men aged between 30 and 40 — reported that they would rather have an iPhone than a DS in their pockets or handbags.
Although the company ended the 2009 financial year squarely in the black, analysts described Nintendo’s profit slide as a “triple punch”.
Despite selling over 10 million copies of the latest Mario title for the Wii console, the pipeline of new games has stopped delivering the sort of blockbusters that drove console sales to record levels in the first two years after its launch. Nintendo has also suffered from the financial crisis. Households around the world spent most of last year in full belt-tightening mode, and remain cautious about buying games with a relatively short playing-life.
But the most striking decline was in sales of the consoles. Although both the Wii and DS have outsold their Sony and Microsoft counterparts, the lower technology of the Nintendo machines is starting to show. With far less processing power than either the PlayStation3 or Xbox 360, the Wii is suffering. Its sales were 21 per cent down in the year to March 31. Net profits at Nintendo, meanwhile, fell to Y228.64 billion (£1.6 billion) from Y279.09 billion.
This only leads me to point back at the N ES OS topic in The Rumor Thread. Maybe there is more to it than we think.
Apple is butting heads with Google and is in an outright flame war with Adobe over Flash. Nintendo is partnered on the ES OS with Google, working on a game with Google (search game show thing) and Adobe is a middle ware partner of Nintendo.
Could things be about to get real serious? and by serious I mean really really interesting?
and why do the analyst hate Nintendo so much?
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: MegaByte on May 08, 2010, 01:38:25 AM
ES OS is nothing more than an experiment -- they failed to even get Google Summer of Code support this year. Concepts from it might be going into ChromeOS, but as of now, there's zero indication that Nintendo is involved anymore.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2010, 01:41:29 AM
maybe, but if Nintendo is serious about taking on Apple head-on, then what better ally than Google?
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Caterkiller on May 08, 2010, 02:02:18 AM
I like how even the positive is negative for Nintendo. "Sure the Wii outsold everything else, but it didn't do it by as much as years past."
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2010, 02:58:25 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this story and this story[Nintendo may charge for online? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31251.msg606757#msg606757)] are related too.
I;m sure Nintendo is gonna take a very aggressive approach in the next round of hardware when it comes to features and capability. One of the most lacking besides graphical "Oomph" being online connectivity.
If Nintendo had taken online serious at the release of the DSi, they could have already been ahead of the pack with using a forward facing camera for DSiChat using video and pictochat together. that alone could've been a major selling point.
The next Nintendo handheld could use Skype and GoogleVoice and Talk, Twitter, facebook, myspace apps & integrated Chrome Browser.
If Nintendo is really gonna stand toe to toe against Apple and the iBrand, then they have to go all out and sell at a small profit. We already know that iphone has a new version every year, so Nintendo needs to be forward thinking enough to have hardware that can compete against it for at least 3-4 years before a revision that allows for more features.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: KDR_11k on May 08, 2010, 03:09:24 AM
Honestly I kinda doubt it, by the looks of it the iStuff is eating into the PSP market, not the DS market. Apple serves the tech demands but their game support is very weak, the thousands of apps they have are almost all garbage and the rest is minigames. The pricing on the apps is unsustainable for the developers where 2$ is already considered expensive (supposedly most devs make a loss on the 1$ games or have to go for tricks like "freemium") meaning quality can't go up as investments are suicide. People who talk about the iPad fighting the DS make absolutely no sense, the DS is a portable, the iPad isn't really. That remains the domain of the iPhone/iPod.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 08, 2010, 03:58:05 AM
Nintendo spent $496 million in R&D for the 09-10 fiscal year. Nintendo projects $545 million for 10-11.
Aside from that, Nintendo PROFITED $2.497 billion in 09-10.
Big things are happening.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Morari on May 08, 2010, 11:30:16 AM
If what Nintendo wants is to compete with Apple, then they don't need to make a better product, they just need to market it better. The Wii is already shiny and white, already has a stupid name, and already has limited functionality in comparison to its rivals... See, it's just like an Apple product! :P
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 08, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
But the most striking decline was in sales of the consoles. Although both the Wii and DS have outsold their Sony and Microsoft counterparts, the lower technology of the Nintendo machines is starting to show. With far less processing power than either the PlayStation3 or Xbox 360, the Wii is suffering. Its sales were 21 per cent down in the year to March 31. Net profits at Nintendo, meanwhile, fell to Y228.64 billion (£1.6 billion) from Y279.09 billion.
This is ridiculous. Where is the link from lower technology to declining sales? Correlation does not imply causation. You have to make an effort to demonstrate your reasoning, or at least you would if you had actually done any reasoning, Mr. TrollsOnline.co.uk.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: ThePerm on May 10, 2010, 08:07:37 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/33423wh.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Galford on May 13, 2010, 12:12:31 PM
The iPad/iPhone will never be a real threat to Nintendo until Apple puts a decent control pad and gaming related button layout on it. Publishers are interested in the iWhatever because they can poop a game out real cheap and make some quick profit on it.
However, App Store has a lot of issues, namely piracy, Apple's submission process, and the recent changed made to the developer license are alienating some developers.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
The iPad/iPhone will never be a real threat to Nintendo until Apple puts a decent control pad and gaming related button layout on it.
Already taken care of (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31262.0) :P
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 13, 2010, 01:42:45 PM
This was brought up in the Penny Arcade forum and someone made a really good point that I feel needs to be made here.
If Nintendo competes too directly with Apple they may end up making a product too similar to the iPhone and consumers will end up picking one or the other. Right now you have your iPhone as your phone and MP3 player. The iPhone kind of sucks at videogames and the DS is a specialized videogame machine so while carrying both around with you is a bit of a burden it seems worthwhile. You have your phone/MP3 player and you have your portable videogame system. The two devices are different enough that you feel the need to own both.
If Nintendo was to truly compete with the iPhone, well, they would need to add all sorts of extra doodads like MP3 capability, internet browsing and maybe even make it a phone as well. That's more functionality for the DS but now we have redundency. It's really unnecessary to carry two phones or two MP3 players around. If both Apple and Nintendo offer all-in-one devices, I'm only going to pick one. I think Nintendo would lose the casual market to the iPhone as the fact that Apple is not quite as good at games as Nintendo won't matter as much and Apple is a trendier brand (and likely would do the other features better than Nintendo anyway).
Now Apple might make the iPhone a better videogame system and force Nintendo into adapting. But right now the iPhone is really seen as a **** game system and the specialized DS is so hugely superior that having a seperate device for games is acceptable. Nintendo should be ready with a plan but should let Apple make the first move. Having them as seperate complimenting products is more beneficial to Nintendo than having two all-in-ones fighting it out.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 01:46:20 PM
The DS/i can already play music and surf the internet.
I'm not hoping that Nintendo adds phone and all the bells and whistles, I'm just hoping that they let developers use the tech that is in the system to do what it is capable of doing.
The DS/i/3DS has wifi, then let it surf the net. it has speakers and a mic, bluetooth, let it use skype if someone wants to make an app for it it has cameras (3D cameras!?) then let it do video and voice chat or take video and pics
don;t purposely cripple the machine so that it only has enough power to run the game they are currently envisioning. Leave a little breathing room for some extra things that can be added later.
It doesn't have to purposely attack the iPhone feature for feature, but also don't purposely cripple the machine so that there is no overlap. Just let the machines evolve into what they evolve into and if you already put the tech in the machine then let us use it. (and structure the system to let them be used efficiently together all at once)
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: ThePerm on May 13, 2010, 04:41:55 PM
if 3DS had skype...
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Stogi on May 13, 2010, 05:39:48 PM
Why does it have to be a fight?
Nintendo and Apple, both huge companies from both sides of the globe, could end up partnering for all we know. They both have areas of expertise that complement each other. And if they we're to fight for each others share, it would be detrimental to both of them.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
Nintendo just needs to make the most competent gaming device they can make. This includes having enough RAM to handle voice chat when playing online multiplayer games on top of a useful online system, among other things.
Apple is a competitor to Nintendo only in that both devices play games, but they play such different games that to even compare the two is kind of unfair. This isn't like Nintendo saying they aren't competing with Sony or Microsoft. Most games on the App Store are more like demos or mini-games and not even mini-game collections, just like one mini-game. That works for Apple, especially since they aren't selling a gaming device. They're selling a smartphone that can play simple games. I'm not an iPhone/Apple hater or anything (I'm typing this on a Macbook Pro); I just don't see this as a fair comparison. Until Apple adds a physical keyboard to the iPhone, I'll stick to my Blackberry. Until Apple adds some physical buttons capable of playing serious games, I'm not taking it seriously as a gaming device. It does a lot of things well; gaming just isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 06:14:03 PM
Nintendo and Apple, both huge companies from both sides of the globe, could end up partnering for all we know. They both have areas of expertise that complement each other. And if they we're to fight for each others share, it would be detrimental to both of them.
Because whenever we want Nintendo to do something, not only do they not do it, they don't even do the opposite of it, they instead do something we didn't expect at all.
We originally all thought "hey, Nintendo and Apple should team up!! that would be awesome!!", but they didn't do it. They didn't even do the opposite of that, Fight apple to the death, but instead they just stole a page out of Apple's design book and continued pretending that Apple didn't exist.
Now I'm saying Fight Apple!, but they likely won't. But I'm pretty sure they won't do the opposite and join forces either. I'm expecting them to do something slightly unexpected and carry on business as usual. (Join forces with Google instead? release a 3DS phone? who knows, but you won't see it coming whatever it is.)
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Galford on May 13, 2010, 06:28:49 PM
I'm aware of the what's you posted in the that video BlackNMild. As Adock said, the iPhone will never be a serious game machine until gets the hardware for a real d-pad.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 13, 2010, 06:31:31 PM
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Because whenever we want Nintendo to do something, not only do they not do it, they don't even do the opposite of it, they instead do something we didn't expect at all.
And then whatever they do is either an amazing success that works like a dream or a colossal failure that is so obvious in its stupidity that everyone questions if Nintendo execs can even dress themselves. If Nintendo were a sports team, every year they would either win the championship or finish dead last. Every draft pick would be an All-Star or a complete bust.
In an attempt to think like Nintendo I figure the 3DS will include a phone but it won't use any existing phone infostructure and will instead be some sort of proprietary Nintendo developed communications technology that more or less works the same as a phone but you can only call people with other 3DS's. But then I just thought of this so obviously it can't be that.
I agree with the idea of making the 3DS hardware flexible and letting things just develop on their own. Nintendo should do that with all hardware they make. They are too rigid.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Stogi on May 14, 2010, 01:57:57 PM
just like apple...
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 15, 2010, 11:29:36 PM
I've said this before; Nintendo and Apple are too much alike to ever partner on something.
Also, the people bashing the iPhone as a gaming device need to actually play what's there or shut up. There is a lot of really good stuff there; it can be really hard to find among all the crap, but it's there. Complaining about the lack of a d-pad and buttons is only a valid complaint for games that rely on that style of control. It's like the Wii: when you design the game around the controls that are there you can get great results.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2010, 11:59:08 PM
^If it wasn't being seen as a viable threat in the gaming arena, Iwata wouldn't have labeled it Public Enemy #1
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: ThePerm on May 16, 2010, 12:02:49 AM
Apple's iLine can throw a wrench in the business by being Wii-like, that is non-assuming or threatening until its realized they've gobbled up the market share.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2010, 12:12:01 AM
That's why I'm glad Nintendo is being pro-active and not re-active(or should I say non-reactive) this time around.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 16, 2010, 12:23:12 AM
I think it's impressive that Nintendo realized that Apple is their real competitor in this space this early in the game. Ten years ago they wouldn't have noticed that until it was too late (like with Sony and the PS1). As someone who loves both companies and will most likely buy the devices of each one of them, I hope they both find success. The market should be big enough to accommodate both of them.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 22, 2010, 10:33:52 AM
Loosing opportunities, and a change is management helps. A semi decent correlation would be with ATT and MCI. The technology that made MCI was developed right in ATT's labs. When they wouldn't go forward with Satellite relay for long distance connections the creator decided to get funding and start MCI. After that ATT had to change and adapt something that it did not previously have to do. And now after about 20+ year we can see the one that is left standing.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: ThePerm on May 23, 2010, 03:15:09 AM
yeah I was watching old commercials and I saw an MCI commercial, and I was like..hey I remember them!
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 23, 2010, 04:57:25 AM
I can nt help but wonder if Iwata and Miyamoto have iphones in their pocket when they do interviews and conventions. It would be kind of ironic, but it would have a politacl statement towards Apple that Nintendo has them in their pocket. ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 23, 2010, 07:56:02 AM
Much like in the US there is only one carrier that has the iPhone in Japan. (From what I have read from people that have one.) It is my guess they have whatever company that supplies the ones for Nintendo. (Most larger companies buy phones for their executives and pays the bills so they are easy to get a hold of.)
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
I hope everyone has fully stocked their bomb shelters with food and water until the war is over.
The Nintendo Era is Over, Tweets Former Final Fantasy Scribe (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2010/05/the_nintendo_era_is_over_tweets_former_final_fantasy_scribe)
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Although Nintendo's position in the home console market has been contested numerous times over the past few decades, it has always held court over one sector of the video game industry: the humble handheld. [...] However, Masato Kato - the chap who wrote Final Fantasy VII, Xenogears and Chrono Trigger - thinks that is all about to come to a rather dramatic end. [...] "With the iPad going on sale, the epoch of Nintendo is finished. But with the DS and the Wii, it's been digging its own grave."
He is of course referring to the Apple iPad, which launched worldwide recently and has gone on to shift an impressive two million units in two months.
NINTENDOOOOOOOMED!!!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Kytim89 on June 01, 2010, 11:06:29 PM
I hope everyone has fully stocked their bomb shelters with food and water until the war is over.
The Nintendo Era is Over, Tweets Former Final Fantasy Scribe
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Although Nintendo's position in the home console market has been contested numerous times over the past few decades, it has always held court over one sector of the video game industry: the humble handheld. [...] However, Masato Kato - the chap who wrote Final Fantasy VII, Xenogears and Chrono Trigger - thinks that is all about to come to a rather dramatic end. [...] "With the iPad going on sale, the epoch of Nintendo is finished. But with the DS and the Wii, it's been digging its own grave."
He is of course referring to the Apple iPad, which launched worldwide recently and has gone on to shift an impressive two million units in two months.
NINTENDOOOOOOOMED!!!!!
I am curious to see how Nintendo is going to pull themselves out of thos one. How could they pull themselves out if they are in fact in danger from Apple?
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 01, 2010, 11:48:25 PM
Kytim they aren't in any danger.Those comments were just to hype up the IPad and make it look like Nintendo is in trouble when they are not. Also considering that the comment came from someone from that isn't Apple there is reason to believe that people are trying to start a fight that isn't there.
http://youtube.com/v/GI0qT2CdkU4
Everybody should watch the video. It states that this "Fight" with Apple is BS. The above video is part 1 of 2 parts.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2010, 11:50:42 PM
He's probably preparing to get a job with Apple (and share beds and toothbrushes with Matt C.) cuz he knows S-E is a sinking ship.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Kytim89 on June 02, 2010, 12:07:41 AM
Kytim they aren't in any danger.Those comments were just to hype up the IPad and make it look like Nintendo is in trouble when they are not. Also considering that the comment came from someone from that isn't Apple there is reason to believe that people are trying to start a fight that isn't there.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2010, 04:17:04 PM
This is more Apple Fan vs Everyone else but I'll post it here anyway. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/199322/fear_and_loathing_at_e3_microsoft_nintendo_sony.html (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/199322/fear_and_loathing_at_e3_microsoft_nintendo_sony.html)
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2010 is the year of the reboot. As I type this on my MacBook Pro in my air-conditioned hotel room in Los Angeles, I've just sat through presentations by three major console companies and I don't there was an original idea among them. The old is new again. Everyone is making motion controller games. Everyone is making 3D games. Everyone is remaking the games that made them famous. Look for new Sonic, Mortal Kombat, Gears of War, Halo, Zelda, Metroid, Medal of Honor, Castlevania, and Twisted Metal in the coming year. I walked the floor of E3 until my flip-flops broke in protest at the mediocrity. When your footwear is sounding off about the originality of your industry, you know you're in a tough place.
Microsoft's presentation on Monday set the tone for the week: There's a new Halo game coming out, but this time with space battles. The entire presentation reminded me of that Simpsons episode where Malibu Stacy gets a new hat. Halo: New Hat is due out sometime in the next year, will likely set some sales records, but will move the industry forward as much as a tractor on cinder blocks. [...] On Tuesday, Nintendo unveiled its own pageant of the past, where the Japanese gaming giant updated all of the titles that made it famous twenty years ago and this seemingly was something to celebrate. If you want to buy Zelda's Wind Waker crossed with Twilight Princess, Nintendo would like to sell you that game. Nintendo is so willing to sell it, in fact, that its willing to put adult men in front of thousands of people and have them swat pretend swords for your amusement. There were also retreads of Metroid and Kid Icarus and if these titles mean anything to you, that means you probably remember blowing into cartridges to make them work.
The saddest bunny that Nintendo pulled out of its hat was the trailer for a new Goldeneye 007 game. The reveal was met not by wowed enthusiasm, but instead with the sound of thousands of hands slapping a thousand foreheads. Electronic Arts tried to reboot/cash-in the Goldeneye franchise years ago with Goldeneye: Rogue Agent. Rogue Agent was a horrid mess of a game with a great premise; this new Goldeneye title looks like a horrid mess of a game with a bad premise. Nintendo is essentially trying to remaster a masterpiece while updating it with things like Daniel Craig's face.
There is no way the game can live up to the iconic Nintendo 64 first person shooter, and without the original developers from Rare, this new Goldeneye will be as well received as Blue Brothers 2000 or New Coke.
On the show floor, I later played the new Goldeneye 007, andI can confirm that you still can't play first person shooters on the Wii and oh yeah, if you want to remake Goldeneye, at least make sure it looks better than third party mod like Goldeneye: Source. [...]
The Nintendo 3DS will sell like gangbusters but it still doesn't signal that Nintendo has any understanding of how the mobile market is changing. Sure, the 3DS has 3D graphics without glasses--but also without a sense of perspective. That is to say, Apple is eating their market and Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime is sitting in the white Buick with the devil as they go over the cliff, laughing, a la Thelma and Louise.
Sony at least knows that the casual gaming market is gone to them. Apple's SDK can't be beaten by conventional platforms or conventional weapons, so at Sony's presentation, Sony reps took time to mew that their PSP platform is for "serious gamers." Which would explain the declining sales.
The three big console developers, previously unchallenged in their supremacy, have become complacent swine, out of touch with the modern gamer. They keep making games that they already made because they know they will sell, not because they will be challenging, creative, or fun. How many times has Zelda been remade? Do we really need yet another Mortal Kombat, Twisted Metal, or Halo game? The snake is eating its own tail.
I don't have a problem with reboots per say, so long as we also have new franchises, new titles, and new genres to explore. And that what was lacking at E3 this year. While the big boys were wrestling over who had the better motion controls and who could find the most obscure old game they could remake, quietly you began to wonder how long the industry could keep this up. Hiring models to promote your game and giving away free Xbox 360s to journalists is only going to keep the barbarians at bay for so long
Dem sounds like fightin wordz
Nintards, Xbots & Gheystationers UNITE!!!!
but what makes this really silly is that I've read that Goldeneye Wii was only playable on the E3 show floor using the Classic Controller Pro. Which would mean that it plays the exact same as it would have since the PS1, PS2, GC, Xbox, PS3 & Xbox360 (& Wii ;) )
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 25, 2010, 06:33:23 AM
So I recently learned that that "Apple enemy of future" quote was BS. The journalist that wrote it pulled it out of no where.
Reggie resolves that matter at the top of the page.
Makes you wonder what other BS that game journalist write to get hits.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Apple Bigger Near Term Threat Than Microsoft, Nintendo Of America President Says http://blogs.forbes.com/briancaulfield/2010/10/21/apple-bigger-near-term-threat-than-microsoft-nintendo-of-america-president-says/ (http://blogs.forbes.com/briancaulfield/2010/10/21/apple-bigger-near-term-threat-than-microsoft-nintendo-of-america-president-says/)
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Nintendo needs all the edge it can get. Competitors are everywhere.
“It’s all about time,” Fils-Aime said during a stop by Forbes’ San Francisco offices Thursday. “I compete with Zynga, I compete with surfing the net, I compete with the newspaper.” [...] Look just at the gaming business, however, and Nintendo is doing pretty good. In 2009 Nintendo sold more than 20 million gaming devices. That’s more than Microsoft and Sony put together. Same with the year before.
If you want to find someone doing that kind of volume you’ve got to look outside the game business. At, say, Apple, which is pushing games on the iPhone and iPod touch. Apple sold more 14.1 million iPhones alone during the quarter ending in September. “Do I think that in the near term they can hurt us more than Microsoft?” Fils-Aime says. “Absolutely.”
Here’s where Nintendo has an edge, Fils-Aime says. The iPod and iPhone are great for casual games like “Angry Birds” that provide a welcome distraction. Games on the Nintendo DS, by contrast, can consume. Fils-Aime admits he’s spent 150 hours playing Nintendo’s Dragon Quest.
Round 2.... FIGHT!!
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Sarail on October 23, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
Hah. I highly doubt the COO of Nintendo of America has put in 150 hours of Dragon Quest. :P Here I am, a graduated college student, working a full-time 40 hour a week job, no relationship, a group of friends, several different hobbies and interests, and I'd be LUCKY if I could get one to two hours of DQ time in a week.
I'm sure he's not being literal... just that it's a fantastic game.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 25, 2010, 12:37:17 PM
Since Nintendo published the game here in North America, I am sure he is counting the time he spent playing the game before it came out, plus he can play it at work and get away with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Stogi on October 25, 2010, 05:14:00 PM
I doubt he plays games at work, when not explicitly asked to.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 26, 2010, 01:14:42 AM
Hah. I highly doubt the COO of Nintendo of America has put in 150 hours of Dragon Quest. :P Here I am, a graduated college student, working a full-time 40 hour a week job, no relationship, a group of friends, several different hobbies and interests, and I'd be LUCKY if I could get one to two hours of DQ time in a week.
I'm sure he's not being literal... just that it's a fantastic game.
So that's what he does all day. Can't be much else to do. President's get everything done for them. :p
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2010, 02:20:50 AM
You guys aren't taking this seriously, someone should be sounding the alarms!!!
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=271625 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=271625) Apple tipped to buy Sony, EA
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The US stock market is alive with rumours that Apple is about to launch an unprecedented acquisition - with Sony and EA just two of gaming's mentioned targets.
Apple has $51 billion cash to spend - and, last week, Steve Jobs hinted at where that might go.
"We strongly believe that one or more very strategic opportunities may come along, that we can take, that we're in a unique position to take advantage of because of our strong cash position," he told investors.
"So I think that we would like to continue to keep our powder dry because we do feel that there are one or more strategic opportunities in the future."
Could those "strategic opportunities" include the purchase of a video games company?
Some on Wall Street obviously think so.
Kaufman Brothers have tipped EA, Netflix and even Facebook as targets.
But it today emerged that financial wires have also nodded to Adobe, Disney and - wait for it - Sony.
Leading financial magazine Barron's is reportedly suggesting that Apple faces "speculation that it could acquire Adobe Systems, Sony, or even Walt Disney".
to be fair, I saw no mention of Sony in the source article: http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/flush-with-cash-will-apple-go-shopping/ (http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/flush-with-cash-will-apple-go-shopping/)
but that is no reason to not turn on the :siren: flashing lights :siren: and prepare ourselves for the Apple PlayStation 4 or the Apple Sports Madden 2011. I know some of you might be looking forward to that iPSPad or the iPSPhone 4Gs, but if I have to sit through Apple's Xmen 3, Apple's Spiderman 4 or rent my movies from AppleFlix, I'm not gonna be a happy person.....
Unless Apple bought both Disney(Pixar & Marvel) and Sony(PS, Bluray & Spiderman movie rights) and the rights back to XMen.... then this might not be such a bad idea.... unless your name is Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 26, 2010, 05:20:28 AM
Damn. That will be a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig purchase.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Shaymin on October 26, 2010, 10:00:21 AM
That would take maybe 20-30% of Apple's cash on hand, though.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2010, 11:22:50 AM
Sony stock rises on rumors of Apple buyout interest!
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TOKYO (Reuters) - Shares of Sony Corp rose nearly 3 percent at one stage on Tuesday as traders cited media reports speculating that the Japanese electronics maker could be a potential acquisition target of Apple Inc.
Helping to spark the speculation was a Saturday report in Barron's that said cash-rich Apple could be contemplating a big acquisition and noted speculation about Adobe, Sony and Disney as potential targets.
Sony spokeswoman Sue Tanaka said: "We cannot comment on rumors or speculation." [...] Some analysts were skeptical about the feasibility of a buy-out.
"If Apple tries to buy the whole of Sony, it will be a hostile takeover, and that will probably not succeed in Japan," said one analyst in Tokyo, who declined to be named.
"I don't think Sony would want to join hands with Apple since it is working with Google to compete against Apple," he added.
I hope your bomb shelters are fully stocked with water & canned food because analyst are speculating a HUGE bomb being dropped.
Apple purchasing Adobe for Flash would be pretty funny though.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
Apple will not do that...but if it does...just watch the talent flee from Sony and anyone worth picking up will go to Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Stogi on October 26, 2010, 03:24:15 PM
I would LOVE to see this. Nothing better for consumers than challenging competition!
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2010, 03:59:47 PM
If they were to buy Sony (they aren't), then I wouldn't have hoped that this news happened last year and influenced the design and capabilities of the 3DS (more ram, more internal storage, etc etc)
but regardless of what Apple has up their sleeves (nothing that most of us will give a damn about I'm sure), they better not touch my Netflix. I do not like quicktime and the price I'm paying for service is fine where it is at(i'd be happier if it was lower). Leave Netflix Alone!! [/Chris Crocker]
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 26, 2010, 05:34:24 PM
There's no way they'd switch it to QuickTime; Apple hasn't supported that as a web plugin for years. If they were going to change it, they'd change it to HTML5 video, but that would screw over a lot of people since it wouldn't work in IE (pre-IE9) or Firefox. Netflix would be an interesting acquisition, given Apple's efforts toward on-demand purchasing and renting of TV and movies, which most would see as being in competition with Netflix.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Adrock on October 26, 2010, 05:40:55 PM
Rumor fail.
Apple typically buys smaller companies and you can usually tell why they acquired them. Their largest acquisition was NeXT for some $430 million (a far cry less than what Sony is worth) in a move designed to replace Mac OS and basically bring Steve Job back, which ultimately was the best move Apple ever made and will probably ever make. I just don't see how purchasing Sony would really benefit Apple's very focused product line. Keep in mind, NO Apple product supports Blu-Ray and the Macbook Air not only doesn't include an optical disc drive, but it doesn't even come with recovery software on a DVD anymore (it's on a read only USB drive with the latest Air models). That's a major part of Sony's business that Apple has been slowly distancing itself from.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 26, 2010, 05:44:41 PM
Apple buying Adobe has been rumored so many times in the past. It never made much sense, and makes even less sense now given Steve's comments about Flash.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 26, 2010, 05:57:11 PM
OK. I am not very well versed in the ways of business. If this was to go ahead, would this be something Sony wouldn't want? And if so, can Sony do anything to stop the buy-out?
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2010, 06:21:49 PM
Sony wouldn't have to let it happen because the Japanese Government would NEVER let it happen.
-While Apple could afford Sony with plenty left over, I doubt they would do it since Sony as a whole doesn't fit with the Apple business strategy. It would probably make more sense for Apple to buy off division of Sony, but why would Sony ever sell them? the only things Apple would be interested in would be SCE for the Playstation brand, but Sony would never let that go. -Disney is worth more than Apple has in cash, and Disney is a whole lot more than Apple would like to get into (theme parks, cruise lines, comics, etc. etc.) -Adobe might be a good fit if Apple was looking for more software standards to rip out of the hands of us common folks and apply only to the Mac userbase (pdf, flash, photoshop), but they would likely kill flash immediately. -Netflix (which they better not even be considering) also involves a disc based plan which is and has been a big part of their business and Apple wants nothing to do with. All Apple would want is the userbase and the streaming content, but there are no guarantees they they get either in a buyout.
Like I said before, if anything comes of any of this, it will likely be nothing that any of us really give a damn about.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 26, 2010, 07:31:41 PM
Sony wouldn't have to let it happen because the Japanese Government would NEVER let it happen.
-While Apple could afford Sony with plenty left over, I doubt they would do it since Sony as a whole doesn't fit with the Apple business strategy. It would probably make more sense for Apple to buy off division of Sony, but why would Sony ever sell them? the only things Apple would be interested in would be SCE for the Playstation brand, but Sony would never let that go.
Given recent developments, I'm not so sure Sony wouldn't entertain offers for the gaming division, but I don't think Apple would be interested in it anyway. I really don't see Apple wanting to take a hands-on role in the gaming business. They're willing to work with other companies who want to do it for them (Valve's recent expansion of Steam to OS X) and set up basic infrastructure to prevent market fragmentation (iOS GameCenter), but I really don't think they intend to go further than that.
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-Disney is worth more than Apple has in cash, and Disney is a whole lot more than Apple would like to get into (theme parks, cruise lines, comics, etc. etc.)
This is true, and I'll add that Apple doesn't need anything from Disney that they can't get currently via Steve Jobs' position as the largest Disney shareholder.
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-Adobe might be a good fit if Apple was looking for more software standards to rip out of the hands of us common folks and apply only to the Mac userbase (pdf, flash, photoshop), but they would likely kill flash immediately.
Being in control of the PDF format would get them nothing and they clearly have no interest in Flash. Making the Creative Suite programs Mac-only could cause legal headaches, and since there's no danger of the programs dropping Mac support because a large portion of their sales already come from the Mac versions, this move would be of very little strategic value.
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-Netflix (which they better not even be considering) also involves a disc based plan which is and has been a big part of their business and Apple wants nothing to do with. All Apple would want is the userbase and the streaming content, but there are no guarantees they they get either in a buyout.
I'm fairly sure Apple will continue their current on-demand video model, and if they were to go into the streaming market they'd do it themselves and not just buy it from Netflix.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2010, 07:49:36 PM
Sony wouldn't have to let it happen because the Japanese Government would NEVER let it happen.
-While Apple could afford Sony with plenty left over, I doubt they would do it since Sony as a whole doesn't fit with the Apple business strategy. It would probably make more sense for Apple to buy off division of Sony, but why would Sony ever sell them? the only things Apple would be interested in would be SCE for the Playstation brand, but Sony would never let that go.
Given recent developments, I'm not so sure Sony wouldn't entertain offers for the gaming division, but I don't think Apple would be interested in it anyway. I really don't see Apple wanting to take a hands-on role in the gaming business. They're willing to work with other companies who want to do it for them (Valve's recent expansion of Steam to OS X) and set up basic infrastructure to prevent market fragmentation (iOS GameCenter), but I really don't think they intend to go further than that.
The purpose I was thinking for buying into the Playstation was to integrate AppleTV and therefore have it in over 30 million homes world wide. I don't see Apple getting into the games business, but they are definitely interested in an all in one set-top box next to the most important TV in the house. (all of them)
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-Netflix (which they better not even be considering) also involves a disc based plan which is and has been a big part of their business and Apple wants nothing to do with. All Apple would want is the userbase and the streaming content, but there are no guarantees they they get either in a buyout.
I'm fairly sure Apple will continue their current on-demand video model, and if they were to go into the streaming market they'd do it themselves and not just buy it from Netflix.
Let's hope so, because I like Netflix and want Apple to stay very very far away from it. It's doing fine all on it's own.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: TheBlackCat on October 26, 2010, 07:59:28 PM
-Adobe might be a good fit if Apple was looking for more software standards to rip out of the hands of us common folks and apply only to the Mac userbase (pdf, flash, photoshop), but they would likely kill flash immediately.
Per the ISO standards rules, I don't think they legally can make PDF Mac-exclusive, nor would they be able to enforce it effectively with all the third-party PDF handling programs that have cropped up since it became a standard.
Trying to make flash Mac-exclusive would only quicken its inevitable demise. There is also, once again, an issue with enforcement since Adobe has actively encouraged third-party implementations by opening much of the format. Trying to then restrict it would simply guarantee a lot of funding to the third-party implementations.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 26, 2010, 08:01:53 PM
Sony wouldn't have to let it happen because the Japanese Government would NEVER let it happen.
-While Apple could afford Sony with plenty left over, I doubt they would do it since Sony as a whole doesn't fit with the Apple business strategy. It would probably make more sense for Apple to buy off division of Sony, but why would Sony ever sell them? the only things Apple would be interested in would be SCE for the Playstation brand, but Sony would never let that go.
Given recent developments, I'm not so sure Sony wouldn't entertain offers for the gaming division, but I don't think Apple would be interested in it anyway. I really don't see Apple wanting to take a hands-on role in the gaming business. They're willing to work with other companies who want to do it for them (Valve's recent expansion of Steam to OS X) and set up basic infrastructure to prevent market fragmentation (iOS GameCenter), but I really don't think they intend to go further than that.
The purpose I was thinking for buying into the Playstation was to integrate AppleTV and therefore have it in over 30 million homes world wide. I don't see Apple getting into the games business, but they are definitely interested in an all in one set-top box next to the most important TV in the house. (all of them)
While that makes some sense, Apple would still have to take over running the games side of it too, which they don't want, and I don't think they could do a good job of it. Besides, I think Apple is confident in their current strategy with AppleTV. It has an attractive price point and is a good product, a revision or two away from being great.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Kytim89 on October 27, 2010, 01:12:49 AM
I am sorry for bringing up the Rare thing again, but I can not help but notice a similarity between Nintendo and Apple. Both Nintendo and Apple had a second party developer for their systems that was eventually bought out by Microsoft. Nintendo had Rare and Apple had Bungie Studios. Both Nintendo and Apple sold their shares in each respective second party developer during turbulent times in their history only for them to be snatched up by Microsoft. Although Bungi would later regain independance.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2010, 08:00:04 AM
I've argued up and down that I don't think Apple wants to get involved in gaming, but that may not be true, or at least at one point wasn't true.
Ex Bungie dev: Apple got close to buying us (http://www.develop-online.net/news/36183/Ex-Bungie-dev-Apple-got-close-to-buying-us)
It's a big article, but this quote sums it up:
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Tuncer Deniz, once a project lead at Bungie, believes the studio’s bosses “asked Apple if they were interested in buying us”. His account of the circumstances was that Phil Schiller – Apple’s senior vice president of worldwide product marketing – then had a meeting with Steve Jobs to discuss if the Macintosh manufacturer should proceed with acquiring Bungie. “Schiller asked Steve, who said no,” Deniz tells Develop. “[But] after a week, Steve said yes. Schiller calls Bungie, but Bungie had already consummated the deal with Microsoft”.
So Apple has in the past strongly considered getting directly involved in gaming (and very nearly destroyed the Xbox brand before it started).
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: oohhboy on October 27, 2010, 09:38:59 AM
The Rare sell off, as horrifying it was to us fans, was an move meant to get rid of dead weight. Rare was running itself into the ground, taking far too long to produce mediocre games at the end of it's term with Nintendo.
While the Rare name itself was still gold plated, it was a poison pill Nintendo was happy to sell to MS.
Apple isn't a major threat, not a direct one. It competes for attention like everything else. The iPhone/iPad will never be an adequate game machine. It lacks the hardware, controls, investment, good software. The crap game to good game ratio approaches divide by zero. On the game front it is not a lasting threat, but as something that takes time away from gaming? Yeah, it's a clear and present danger. The games are crap, but casuals being a fickle bunch, only want to waste time, which Apple can do a lot of, 5 Minutes at a time. As a game machine, it is woefully sub par to us, but a casual, it might be just be enough.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 27, 2010, 09:54:26 AM
Apple would purchase Adobe and then end Flash.
Anyways, as the article points out Sony is almost guaranteed not to happen (although I won't rule out the possibility). Netflix keeps on growing and I don't think the owners want to give it up. Disney? Not a chance of their majority owners letting Apple buy them. I don't think they could afford to either since the company is worth more than $70 billion. MAYBE I could see Mark Zuckerberg and the others selling Facebook to Apple.
Kytim, there is no similiarity in terms of Rare/Bungie on this. Bungie was a independent third party developer/publisher who made computer games. Rare was a second party that was 49% owned by Nintendo and had almost all of their games publsihed and funded by Nintendo. Bungie was no more a second party than id Software, Activision Blizzard, or any other publisher that released Mac games.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
The Rare sell off, as horrifying it was to us fans, was an move meant to get rid of dead weight. Rare was running itself into the ground, taking far too long to produce mediocre games at the end of it's term with Nintendo.
While the Rare name itself was still gold plated, it was a poison pill Nintendo was happy to sell to MS.
Apple isn't a major threat, not a direct one. It competes for attention like everything else. The iPhone/iPad will never be an adequate game machine. It lacks the hardware, controls, investment, good software. The crap game to good game ratio approaches divide by zero. On the game front it is not a lasting threat, but as something that takes time away from gaming? Yeah, it's a clear and present danger. The games are crap, but casuals being a fickle bunch, only want to waste time, which Apple can do a lot of, 5 Minutes at a time. As a game machine, it is woefully sub par to us, but a casual, it might be just be enough.
There are a lot of really good games for iOS. There are probably a hundred times more awful ones, but the quality is there if you know how to find it.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: oohhboy on October 27, 2010, 10:21:27 AM
I don't need to know where to find it.
I already have a far superior set of sources of gaming without an Apple portable product (Ironically, typing this on a Hackintosh which is the primary partition). As it stands, the controls are awful, kills the battery of your primary comms device, the games are shallow as a puddle and worth as much. The only game I have liked playing on an iPhone is Flight Control, which is a glorified flash game.
I had an iPhone for a week when I jailed broke one for a friend and pissed around with some games. Even the so called hardcore or highly rated games were found lacking. Compared to the stuff you find on the DS or the PSP, I wouldn't have given any game more than a 5/10.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2010, 11:30:11 AM
The controls are only awful if you're playing games that use an on-screen d-pad and buttons, which is the equivalent of saying the Wii's controls are awful based entirely on games that use forced waggle. Most of the good games are simple (though certainly not all of them), but that's usually what I'm looking for in a portable device.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Adrock on October 27, 2010, 05:13:17 PM
I disagree. That's more of a Microsoft move. Apple typically purchases a company with the intent of applying the technology gained from the acquisition into their product line so I don't see how buying Adobe with the intent of destroying Flash benefits Apple at all. They already barred Flash from the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad and just recently made it an optional download on all future Mac computers. Seems like they're doing just fine shunning Flash without spending a dime. Steve Jobs wants to standardize HTML5 ASAP, but putting an end to Flash won't help that happen any faster. It just makes Apple and Jobs look douche-ier than usual, stall HTML5 negotiations, and may even help Microsoft's Silverlight gain some ground as Flash's main alternative.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: TheBlackCat on October 27, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Trying to push the switch to HTML5 made sense back when people were grudgingly accepting H264 as the de-facto standard, but now that everyone besides Apple has jumped ship to webM it will probably end up biting them in the ass.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 02:14:06 PM
Iwata wasn't kidding when he said that Apple was their main competition.
Cafe hasn't even been officially announced and Apple is already trying to steal it's thunder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GPGlEsu_Xs
iPad2 used as a controller while monitor linked to an HDTV playing RealHD Racing.
granted that Cafe will do this with 4 players at the same time, but, I must say that I am impressed. iPad2 actually has some pretty damn good grafix too.
My only issue with the demo is how do you gas or brake? up shift down shift? honk your horn? slide it into reverse? That will just be another advantage of Cafe.... buttons and control options.
I just hope Nintendo doesn't cheap out and gives us a multi-touch screen even if they have no immediate use for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Ceric on April 24, 2011, 04:59:15 PM
Interesting, when your getting beaten by a tablet PC its time to update your system.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 07:41:17 PM
There are several games that can use an iPhone/iTouch/iPad as a controller for a game on another screen, and have been since well before the Project Cafe rumors came about.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2011, 08:23:09 PM
While that may be true, still doesn't take away from the point that Apple is already trying to steal Nintendo thunder before Nintendo even officially announced that their new console is gonna be doing a similar feature only better and x4.
It's a relatively minor thing going on with iProducts right now, but after HYPE build on the Wii2 reveal, Apple will probably push the feature more and likely even attempt to make it do as the Wii2 does.
I'm glad that Nintendo is seeing Apple as it's competitors though as it will mean that they will try to innovate in ways that MS & Sony obviously weren't motivating them to do. Touch screens, appz, style, UI, etc etc.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 24, 2011, 08:41:39 PM
As much as I have disdain for iProducts, the iPad 2 is pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
All Apple did was allow for HDMI-out, and I doubt gaming had much, if anything, to do with that. Hell, Apple's more interested in taking a piece of Sony and Microsoft's living room media machine market (with this and the AppleTV, and the rumored incoming actual Apple TV) than they are in going after Nintendo. Apple is certainly a threat to Nintendo in a few areas, but not because of any real effort toward that on Apple's part.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: Ceric on April 24, 2011, 11:15:57 PM
In all actuallity if Nintendo wasn't around Apple would probably have started the move into the Game space already. Its where they can be profitable and they are running out of places to go. They have large success in the consumer arena but, they can't crack business yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 24, 2011, 11:27:02 PM
Apple's raking in money from gaming on the App Store with next to no effort or resources put into it on their part. I'm not sure it's worth it to them to devote too much effort to it for the fairly modest gains they could hope to have.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: cubist on April 25, 2011, 01:23:55 AM
next Apple keynote...Jobs introduces Reggie, Iwata, and Miyamoto...and the system is available as the keynote ends. LOL
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: redgiemental on April 25, 2011, 08:32:21 AM
next Apple keynote...Jobs introduces Reggie, Iwata, and Miyamoto...and the system is available as the keynote ends. LOL
WWDC is on at the same time as E3 this year.......Co-operation between Nintendo and Apple would be a friggin' nerd ask moment for me however that's so unlikely it's not funny.
As an aside I got an IPad 2 on Canadian launch day, I have to say I'm finding some of the games pretty awesome, there are some shitty games with poorly thought out controls but there are some awesome games on there too.
Superbrothers, Infinity Blade, Burn the rope, Tiny Wings and an awesome version of Chu Chu Rocket have been my favourites since I got it and there's loads more games I've yet to buy.
It's not the best game machine ever, but I know I sure as hell bring my DS with me a lot less than I used to.
(Sent from my iPad :p)
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 25, 2011, 09:14:38 AM
The iOS devices are very capable game machines, for certain types of games. The control restrictions mean certain things don't work very well, if at all, but if you design with the system in mind, you can do great things (does that sound familiar to anyone?).
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: leahsdad on April 27, 2011, 01:43:46 AM
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Also, the people bashing the iPhone as a gaming device need to actually play what's there or shut up. There is a lot of really good stuff there; it can be really hard to find among all the crap, but it's there.
I own Nintendo Handhelds and have owned Ipod products from the 2G to the current Touch, so I think I can speak up here.
My favorites are Tiny Wing and...okay, just Tiny Wing. It's pretty much a mistake to buy anything that has been ported from elsewhere (Dead Space, SSF4, Mirror's Edge, etc.) because of the crappy controls. They look pretty.
But Tiny Wing is awesome, mainly because it takes a fairly simple mechanic, and only 1 single control input (touch the screen to make your bird go down) and makes an exhilirating experience out of it.
With that said, I've probably put a grand total of 50 minutes into this game, and I'm almost tired of it. It has the life expectancy of the spinning-top dungeon in Twilight Princess, or the bird gliding level in Galaxy. The only reason I play it is because I can do so with one hand, while I am rocking my newborn daughter to sleep. If you have never played a 1st party Nintendo game, pretty much ever, then you would probably think Tiny Wing is the sh*t, because its controls are very tight, possibly the tightest and most accurate on IOS.
But I also think Tiny Wing, and other games like it, are the reason why the 3DS will never sell as much as the DS, not even close. The casual gamers are gone. You can't even call them gamers, because while they played Nintendogs and Brain Age, they never bought Phantom Hourglass. Or maybe they bought New Super Mario Bros, but they probably didn't finish it, much less get to the bonus levels. They're all playing on the IOS, because they were never that into games in the first place. There's a complex language, an intuitive lexicon that's a part of gaming, and even more so in Nintendo games, that represents a ridiculously high barrier of entry for these casual consumers. You see a boss in Zelda at the end of a dungeon, and you know how to use visual clues to figure out how to kill it. You know that you have to hit the boss 3 times. You know that you have to use the item you discovered in the dungeon. You know that there will be some trick which is not immediately obvious.
With Tiny Wing, this isn't the case. You just touch the screen to make the bird go down, gravity and inertia do the rest. That's it. So not only is this game simple and incredibly accessible, it costs just 99 cents. And while you're only going to get an hour worth of enjoyment out of it, if that, a casual consumer would have gotten to the 1st temple in Phantom Hourglass, said "WTF am I suppose to do?" and given up.
For better or worse, the casuals have gone to Apple and will probably never come back.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: ThePerm on April 27, 2011, 08:03:16 PM
Steve Jobs said when he was at the top of his game the first time when Apple was new that the only company he really feared was Nintendo. It seems though that Apple and Nintendo don't compete over sales, they compete in who thinks outside the box more.
Title: Re: Nintendo vs Apple: FIGHT!!!
Post by: johnn on April 29, 2011, 04:42:54 AM
These gaming company battles always bring out the best in terms of innovation so let's bring it on! :cool;
