Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: UncleBob on April 27, 2010, 11:34:13 PM
Title: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: UncleBob on April 27, 2010, 11:34:13 PM
Vote now!
Run-Off rules! If Two or more games have the same amount of votes at the end of the poll, those titles (alone) will run for 24 more hours - and all votes will be cleared - meaning that everyone will need to re-vote for one of the remaining titles. After 24 hours, the winning title will be added to the list and the main poll will restart with the losing titles reinserted. Nintendo Systems: 1.) Super Nintendo Entertainment System - 8 (50%) 2.) Nintendo DS/DSi - 7 (35%) 3.) Nintendo Wii - 9 (40.9%) Mario Kart: 1.) Mario Kart DS - 6 (28.6%) - 13 (61.9%) Mario Kart 64 (N64) - 6 (28.6%) 2.) Mario Kart Wii 10 (50%) 3.) Mario Kart 64 (N64) - 9 (42.9%) 4.) Mario Kart: Double Dash (GCN) - 11 (57.9%) 5.) Super Mario Kart (SNES) - 7 (35%); NoO- 8 (40%) 6.) Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA) - 7 (41.2%) 7.) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 4 (28.6%); NoO- 8 (57.1%) 8.) Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 2 (14.3%)
In for first place in the Metroid poll, Super Metroid! 1.) Super Metroid - 8 (53.3%) 2.) Metroid Prime - 8 (66.7%) 3.) Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - 5 (33.3%) 4.) Metroid: Zero Mission 5 (38.5%) 5.) Metroid: Fusion - 6 (37.5%) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - 6 (37.5%) - 9 (52.9%) 6.) Metroid: Fusion - 9 (64.3%) 7.) Metroid Prime Pinball - 6 (40%) 8.) Metroid II: Return of Samus - 9 (52.9%) 9.) Metroid - 11 (68.8%) 10.) Metroid Prime: Hunters - 5 (31.3%)
Taking first place, with 25.9% of the initial poll, 1.) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Second Place! 30% Whoo! 2.)The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening/DX
Third and Below... 3.) Majora's Mask (33.3%) 4.) Ocarina of Time (52.9%) 5.) Wind Waker (35.7%/66.7%) 6.) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (50%) 7.) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (23.5%) 8.) Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (21.4%) 9.) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (27.3%) 10.) The Legend of Zelda (27.3%/53.8%) 11.) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (50%) 12.) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest (35.7%) 13.) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (45.5%) 14.) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (50%) 15.) The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (69.2%) 16.) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (30.8%)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2010, 11:40:42 PM
Either The Wind Waker or Twilight Princess, no doubt. I honestly can't see why anyone would pick Majora's Mask, to me that is easily the worst 3D Zelda and maybe the worst non-CDi Zelda.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Peachylala on April 27, 2010, 11:51:16 PM
Either The Wind Waker or Twilight Princess, no doubt. I honestly can't see why anyone would pick Majora's Mask, to me that is easily the worst 3D Zelda and maybe the worst non-CDi Zelda.
I didn't pick it in the poll, but it easily had the best NPC cast, side quests that had a purpose and dungeon design. Also, the time can be slowed down with the Backwards Song of Time. It increases the length alot.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 27, 2010, 11:53:51 PM
Well this is easy. I went with Link to the Past because it is my favorite game of all time. I think picking my 2nd favorite Zelda game is going to be tough.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 27, 2010, 11:55:24 PM
Maybe it isn't the worst Zelda game, but it's annoying hearing people say they think it is the best Zelda game (I still can't believe the NWR staff picked MM over TWW in the Game of the Decade debate, MM wasn't even the best game of 2000).
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: broodwars on April 28, 2010, 12:02:15 AM
Majora's Mask is my pick. It's one of the few Zelda games to actually have any emotion, meaningful interactions with townsfolk, and a real sense of threat in the game world (the constant presence of the falling Moon, and the subsequent destruction of Termina that existed beyond just people talking about it). It also has some of my favorite songs in the series, as well as real strides towards actual storytelling in the series (yes, Ocarina started it on console Zelda, but Majora's Mask took it to the next level).
My big problem with Wind Waker is that it feels very artificial to me, with several noticeable missing dungeons and an extreme amount of padding towards the end of the game with the Triforce hunt. The sailing is also neat at the start of the game, but gets very old very fast and could definitely have done with more warp points.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Ymeegod on April 28, 2010, 12:22:47 AM
Link to the Past gets my vote as well. OoT would be second and lasty the orginal would be third.
What killed Wind Waker for be (besides the talking sailboat) was it didn't follow though with the humor. In the begining there's a couple of good laughs (him raising a pig over his head or being shot out of a cannon) but then the game starts taking itself to serious.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2010, 12:27:50 AM
Majora's Mask is an awesome game. I think what too many people missed was going through on the evening of the third day and taking to the NPCs. There's one point where Anju is waiting for Kafei to show, but if you fail a part of the sidequest required for him to show up, Anju is just depressing. It's just too easy to miss that, but it's such a critical piece of how well put together the game is.
But, alas, Link's Awakening gets my vote. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2010, 01:30:51 AM
You know what's not fun? I set it so that you won't see the results until after you vote - I wanted it to be a surprise for everyone, including me.
But as a moderator, I can see the results. :(
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: ThePerm on April 28, 2010, 01:35:00 AM
Either The Wind Waker or Twilight Princess, no doubt. I honestly can't see why anyone would pick Majora's Mask, to me that is easily the worst 3D Zelda and maybe the worst non-CDi Zelda.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: noname2200 on April 28, 2010, 01:59:28 AM
LttP...Majora...LttP....Majora...
Why must I choose!?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
Link's Awakening is the only game that I have actually bothered to beat twice (aside from super short titles like Turtles in Time). It's my favourite game, period. It's hard to say exactly why. I liked A Link to the Past a lot and Link's Awakening just seemed to be that much more fun. It has a great balance of dungeons and side-quests. Some Zelda games, like LttP and OoT, get into this rut where it's just dungeon after dungeon towards the end with no new areas to explore. Link's Awakening gives you a good break after every dungeon, and dungeons are stressful so it's good to have that break. This is a big reason why I like Majora's Mask a lot, too.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: vudu on April 28, 2010, 02:01:25 PM
I honestly can't see why anyone would pick Majora's Mask, to me that is easily the worst 3D Zelda and maybe the worst non-CDi Zelda.
You know, eventually, it'll work its way out of the poll, right? ;)
Just for that, I'm voting for Majora's Mask every time.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 28, 2010, 03:29:22 PM
Judging by past discussions here, the only way Majora's Mask won't be one of the first two removed is if it and Link's Awakening spoil each other and everyone else votes for the same (wrong) game.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: vudu on April 28, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
You know, eventually, it'll work its way out of the poll, right? ;)
You know I can edit the polls, right? ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: MoronSonOfBoron on April 28, 2010, 03:47:42 PM
Majora's Mask is a technical masterpiece and an achievement in world design and storytelling. It could also be hailed as the most "mature" of the Zelda series, given some of its dark themes and the follow-through on certain storyline's consequences. I mean, come on, they anally probe an underage girl. Or imply it happens. HOW DID NINTENDO GET AWAY WITH THIS.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Caterkiller on April 28, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
Majora's Mask is a technical masterpiece and an achievement in world design and storytelling. It could also be hailed as the most "mature" of the Zelda series, given some of its dark themes and the follow-through on certain storyline's consequences. I mean, come on, they anally probe an underage girl. Or imply it happens. HOW DID NINTENDO GET AWAY WITH THIS.
Explain whats in the darkness to me. I seem to have forgetten that one.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Adrock on April 28, 2010, 05:07:08 PM
A Link to the Past, no question. My 2nd favorite game ever.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Stogi on April 28, 2010, 06:04:47 PM
Dude all these polls SUCK ASS.
Didn't we stop them for a reason?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 28, 2010, 10:48:36 PM
I voted a Link to the Past because I have beaten that game over 10 times. It is one of the best games ever made.
But, I will take to task anyone that says that few Zelda games have a little sense of emotion or threat.
I think the whole dark world dynamic is very emotional, and the first time in OoT you are an adult and you see the perverted destroyed world you get a sense of dread...same with Link to the Past.
But Wind Waker to me is the game that has the most sense of gloom. The world is already destroyed and rebuilt....nobody even knows this isn't the way the world should be, it is quite stunning. Even Gannondorf is saddened by the events. He seems like this dissatisfied ruler that got everything he wanted and realized it became worthless. There is more subtle than other games, but it is there.
Twilight Princess kind of has the same feel going. A darkness that must be repelled from the world. But Twilight Princess had cinematic moments to real push the emotional impact. And yes, like an action movie you know people will be ok, but it is still emotional and exciting during the event. In fact, I think the first 1/4 of Twilight Princess has someone of the best Zelda experiences in the game.
Majora's Mask is good...and it does have this dark sense of dread and gloom, but it is almost too goth...and it takes away from possibly having any other emotions...it is just too overbearing for the series.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: UncleBob on April 29, 2010, 06:59:19 PM
Get your votes in now - with only 25 members voting so far, this could still swing a couple of ways.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Halbred on April 29, 2010, 07:32:28 PM
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Guitar Smasher on April 29, 2010, 07:40:01 PM
I voted for ALttP, it's probably my favourite game of all time. I was surprised to see someone mention that they can't stand it, in the other thread. I really can't find any flaws with the game, so I'd like to hear an explanation. Ian mentioned that it tends to focus too much on dungeons near the end, which I can understand. But there are definitely lots of hidden secrets you can search for in between the dungeons, if you haven't exhausted them yet.
My next vote will definitely be LA. It's quite similar, but different enough to be really engaging. Proves that the series doesn't need Hyrule or the princess to still be solid.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 29, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
I picked TP. What can I say, I'm easily pleased.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 29, 2010, 10:41:48 PM
I voted for ALttP, it's probably my favourite game of all time. I was surprised to see someone mention that they can't stand it, in the other thread. I really can't find any flaws with the game, so I'd like to hear an explanation. Ian mentioned that it tends to focus too much on dungeons near the end, which I can understand. But there are definitely lots of hidden secrets you can search for in between the dungeons, if you haven't exhausted them yet.
My next vote will definitely be LA. It's quite similar, but different enough to be really engaging. Proves that the series doesn't need Hyrule or the princess to still be solid.
Interesting. You know the focus on dungeons at the end is what I think is the strongest point of the game. You are on an adventure, that if you fail the darkness of the corrupted Golden land will pour into the normal "light" world and be ruled by darkness. I am ok, with Link being more focused with completing that mission, than say running around to talk to people and find a giant sword or a new mask.
The quick focus on Dungeons is also what makes it immensely more playable than other Zelda games....there is NO FILLER. I can play the game and go through everything quickly without any boring moments.
I also enjoyed Twilight Princess. The style was fun, and my wife thought the game was beautiful and would beg me to play it more...which is just an awesome power of great art design.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round One: Zelda
Post by: UncleBob on April 29, 2010, 11:43:31 PM
If the game isn't listed, it got Zero votes.
The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, GCN, VC) - 1 (3.7%) Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES, GBA, VC) - 1 (3.7%) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES, GBA, VC) - 7 (25.9%) The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening/DX (GB/GBC) - 4 (14.8%) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64, GCN, VC) - 4 (14.8%) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64, GCN, VC) - 4 (14.8%) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC) - 1 (3.7%) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GCN) - 3 (11.1%) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN/Wii) - 2 (7.4%) Total Members Voted: 27
Surprised by any of those numbers?
Voting will resume for second place shortly.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: UncleBob on April 30, 2010, 01:59:25 AM
Couple of votes, but no comments yet. I'll start it off.
Voted for the best game ever made again - Link's Awakening. Should have won the first round. Should've rigged the voting. ;)
Not surprised that Link to the Past won - figured it or Ocarina of Time would win. I think Link to the Past wins because, while still a great game, Ocarina of Time's graphics make it look outdated - even when played on the GC/Wii in Enhanced Definition. If Nintendo ever releases an HD console, this is one game I wouldn't mind getting a "Remastered" treatment. In contrast, Link to the Past just flat out looks great. I wouldn't object to a polishing of LttP using the engine from Four Swords Adventures on the 'Cube, but the game plays great as-is.
I am surprised the Majora's Mask tied with Ocarina of Time. I'll be interested in seeing how those two play out. Personally, I think Majora's Mask is the better of the two games, as I explained before. Wish I could find a YouTube video of it...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 30, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
Boo A Link to the Past!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 30, 2010, 02:10:58 AM
Went with Link's Awakening.
I remember spending so much time with the game. There was this cool screen skipping trick that let me go further in the game than I could before. I liked the NPCs in the game and it was a shame to find out that the world wasn't real.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2010, 09:49:13 AM
I am glad MM didn't win. ALTTP is a good game, although I still think TWW or TP are the best.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 30, 2010, 10:43:22 AM
Link's Awakening is a good game...it is an amazing and GREAT portable game and even better Gameboy color game with DX...but it isn't Link to the Past.
In fact a few bosses were just copies from Link to the Past.
Ocarina of Time is good but there is too much wondering around in that game doing nothing. I really wanted to play it again, but there was so much I had to do just to be able to play the dungeons that I quickly was frustrated. I really wanted to replay and enjoy those amazing Dungeons but couldn't. I love to play through all the exploration once, but it is harder the second time to commit...and that is why Ocarina and Twilight Princess could never win for me.
For the second round I actually voted for GCN 4 Swords, because the concept is so awesome...and I want to see more of it. It is a fantastic game and a great idea. I would love to another and another so on.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Ian Sane on April 30, 2010, 01:12:42 PM
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The quick focus on Dungeons is also what makes it immensely more playable than other Zelda games....there is NO FILLER.
See I don't consider that stuff filler. If anything I consider the stuff between dungeons to be an essential part of the Zelda experience. If you just want dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, why are you playing Zelda? If you just want sequential levels there are a million games out there with that.
A Link to the Past winning is not much of a surprise. It's definitely a top candidate. Second time around I voted for Link's Awakening again because, well, it's still my favourite. I'll vote for it as long as it is still included in the polls.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: vudu on April 30, 2010, 02:10:10 PM
Not surprised that Link to the Past won - figured it or Ocarina of Time would win. I think Link to the Past wins because, while still a great game, Ocarina of Time's graphics make it look outdated - even when played on the GC/Wii in Enhanced Definition.
I think it's more likely that Ocarina of Time's voters were split between it and some of the other 3D Zeldas. A Link to the Past is the pinnacle of 2D Zelda games so anyone who prefers 2D Zelda is going to go with that one.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 30, 2010, 04:40:51 PM
TP again for me. I'm afraid I just can't vote for a 2D zelda. I couldn't get into them. That's why I have never finished a 2D zelda game. I don't know why. Weird I know...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Guitar Smasher on April 30, 2010, 05:36:48 PM
Any specific things you didn't like about 2D Zelda? Do you think later Zeldas are focusing more on puzzles, than before?
I'm also curious if people voting for 3D Zeldas are ones who were first introduced to the series by the 3D games?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Mop it up on April 30, 2010, 05:51:25 PM
I'm also curious if people voting for 3D Zeldas are ones who were first introduced to the series by the 3D games?
I voted for Ocarina this time, though last time I voted Link's Adventure because I didn't read the poll description and thought it was just a single poll. I played all console Zelda games in the order of release, starting with the NES ones back in the early 90's when all we had was an NES.
This is actually a really tough poll for me. I can't choose between 2D and 3d Zelda, I like them both for very different reasons. Plus, despite the similarities they share, each Zelda game is quite different. I just voted for Ocarina because I don't want Majora's Mask to win.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: UncleBob on April 30, 2010, 06:03:28 PM
This is actually a really tough poll for me. I can't choose between 2D and 3d Zelda, I like them both for very different reasons. Plus, despite the similarities they share, each Zelda game is quite different. I just voted for Ocarina because I don't want Majora's Mask to win.
That's kind of why I have the results hidden - I think people should vote for their own, personal favorite of the options given - not try to strategically vote other games out.
It's interesting that no one seems to vote for Master Quest - it's OoT, but better, right?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Mop it up on April 30, 2010, 06:05:43 PM
I've never played Master Quest so I can't comment.
And don't worry, Ocarina is my favourite of the 3D Zelda games. It's just, comparing it to the 2D ones... yeah, I can't really do that.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 30, 2010, 06:07:40 PM
I'm also curious if people voting for 3D Zeldas are ones who were first introduced to the series by the 3D games?
No, I played the 2D ones years before the Ocarina of Time ever came out but I find the 3D Zelda's better then the 2D ones. Now I still love the 2D Zelda's but I feel that the series became better when it went into 3D. This is because the puzzles are my favorite part of Zelda games and I feel that with 3D, the puzzles are more creative and fun then they are in 2D.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Ian Sane on April 30, 2010, 07:29:14 PM
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It's interesting that no one seems to vote for Master Quest - it's OoT, but better, right?
I think all I ended up doing in Master Quest was beating the Deku Tree. The remixed dungeons weren't enough for me for it to not feel like I was just playing OoT again. I haven't played it enough to give it a fair assessment. It's for people that like to beat games multiple times. I wonder if people don't vote for it because most don't see it as it's own game. I see it more like an extra mode added to the Cube version of OoT. The Cube version is like Ocarina of Time DX.
I can't see myself voting for Four Swords because I've never played it. Since I already owned A Link to the Past I wasn't going to buy it again for a multiplayer game that I would require my friends to also buy. At least Four Swords Adventures had the option to play it solo. They probably should have included it with Minish Cap. Nintendo included the same Mario Bros multiplayer in every Mario GBA game (avoiding ports I finally got it with Mario & Luigi) and made it so you could even play with different titles. Why couldn't they have done the same with Four Swords? Getting my friends to buy a NEW Zelda game would have been easy.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 30, 2010, 08:52:01 PM
Master Quest is no more its own game than the second quest of the original Zelda is, and in a lot of ways it's less distinct than that.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: broodwars on April 30, 2010, 09:15:18 PM
It's interesting that no one seems to vote for Master Quest - it's OoT, but better, right?
Master Quest is...interesting, but its dungeon puzzle designs (which are the only things about it different than Ocarina of Time) are nowhere near as well designed as Ocarina's. Frankly, I don't see how it merits a separate entry on these polls, because it cannot stand alone independent of Ocarina's experience.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: UncleBob on April 30, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
It's interesting that no one seems to vote for Master Quest - it's OoT, but better, right?
Master Quest is...interesting, but its dungeon puzzle designs (which are the only things about it different than Ocarina of Time) are nowhere near as well designed as Ocarina's. Frankly, I don't see how it merits a separate entry on these polls, because it cannot stand alone independent of Ocarina's experience.
You know, I thought about it - over and over - before creating this thread. I ended up using it because about 75% of Ocarina of Time was the dungeons and the all-new dungeons was a major revision for the game. Unlike Link's Awakening, where everything was pretty much the same (aside from one, fairly lame, dungeon and some minor bonus material or the first Zelda/Second Quest where the overworld is virtually the same but consists of a very large portion of the game.
At least Four Swords Adventures had the option to play it solo. They probably should have included it with Minish Cap. Nintendo included the same Mario Bros multiplayer in every Mario GBA game (avoiding ports I finally got it with Mario & Luigi) and made it so you could even play with different titles. Why couldn't they have done the same with Four Swords?
As for solo play - Four Swords wouldn't have been enjoyable single player - it's just not a single player game. That's not to say it couldn't have been developed into a single-player game, but, as it is, it's no where near where it would need to be.
As for including it with Minish Cap - I don't know why they didn't. I had really expected to see it on there when Minish Cap was first announced - even more so, since the game directly ties into the Four Swords storyline.
Anywhoo, Ian - I've got four copies of LttP/FS and Four Game Boy Players. Come over some time. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 30, 2010, 10:44:27 PM
Any specific things you didn't like about 2D Zelda? Do you think later Zeldas are focusing more on puzzles, than before?
I'm also curious if people voting for 3D Zeldas are ones who were first introduced to the series by the 3D games?
I don't know why. I was first introduced to LTTP but I'm afraid I couldn't get into it. In fact it turned me off Zelda. Then this same friend showed me OoT. It grabbed me instantly. I can't exactly say what it is about the 3D that did it.
I have since tried LTTP again, I have tried Minish Cap. But I didn't have any desire to finish them. I still don't. TP on the other hand I have played through many times and am always happy to do so again. Same with OoT. I have never played MM due to the fact my 64 didn't have an expansion pack.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: UncleBob on May 01, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
Vote for your favorite (or second-best favorite!) now - voting in this round ends tonight. We're seven votes short of last round's total and that's a big enough number that virtually any game could win this.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 01, 2010, 08:52:37 PM
I went with Twilight Princess this time. It perfected the Ocarina of Time style game place, I urge people to vote for it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: UncleBob on May 02, 2010, 12:25:36 AM
And a very well deserved second place finish for the greatest damn game ever made - Link's Awakening!
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening/DX (GB/GBC) - 6 (30%) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64, GCN, VC) - 4 (20%) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64, GCN, VC) - 4 (20%) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GCN) - 1 (5%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GCN) - 1 (5%) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN/Wii)- 4 (20%)
Round three coming soon!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 2: Zelda | LttP takes 1st - Who gets 2nd?
Post by: UncleBob on May 02, 2010, 12:38:19 AM
I find it a little odd that games that got votes the first round were completely ignored this round. The original, II, Oracle of Ages and Wind Waker were all voted for in the first round - yet none of them had a single vote this time. Only someone shifted toward a new title, Four Swords Adventures. Perhaps a die-hard Link to the Past fan?
I honestly didn't expect Link's Awakening to places this early. I know it's the best game ever made and it's my personal favorite (and, I recall, Miyamoto's favorite at one point) - but I know a lot of people just don't seem to get the charm it has.
Also interesting - while a 2D Zelda won the first and second rounds, the 3D games really dominated this time. Aside from the single FSA vote, Link's Awakening was the only non-3D game anyone voted for.
I've voted for my favorite of the 3D Zeldas now, Majora's Mask. This game scores higher than Link to the Past does for me and seems to have some support behind it, tying for second place both times.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: Guitar Smasher on May 02, 2010, 01:13:42 AM
Just want to inform you that the results of the current poll are being displayed. If you did this on purpose, well never mind.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: UncleBob on May 02, 2010, 10:10:09 AM
Whoops! Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
I don't want Dungeon, Dungeon, Dungeon. I want other things...I just don't want to be forced to go through sometimes difficult and tedious activities that are more annoying than fun. Like the running with a stick trying to figure the correct pattern to talk to the Goron King to go into the dungeon. In the Dungeon, that kind of puzzle is rewarding and fun, outside the dungeon it is tedious if forced.
But, I want other stuff, but I want it voluntary. Actually, I want it voluntary, but highly pushed for reward and story...and although there are several games that provide you with other stuff, they are not Zelda...and do not have the elegant Zelda design of characters, charm and puzzle design.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 02, 2010, 12:54:30 PM
Once again went with one of the best: Twilight Princess.
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Post by: vudu on May 02, 2010, 05:00:39 PM
Also interesting - while a 2D Zelda won the first and second rounds, the 3D games really dominated this time. Aside from the single FSA vote, Link's Awakening was the only non-3D game anyone voted for.
As I said before, the 3D games are having their votes split amongst them which is causing them to lose. A Link to the Past is hands down the best 2D Zelda game and Link's Awakening is easily the second best. The order isn't quite as cut-and-dry with the 3D games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: Guitar Smasher on May 02, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
Also interesting - while a 2D Zelda won the first and second rounds, the 3D games really dominated this time. Aside from the single FSA vote, Link's Awakening was the only non-3D game anyone voted for.
As I said before, the 3D games are having their votes split amongst them which is causing them to lose. A Link to the Past is hands down the best 2D Zelda game and Link's Awakening is easily the second best. The order isn't quite as cut-and-dry with the 3D games.
Interestingly, 2D games got more votes than 3D, in the first poll. The second poll had considerably fewer votes. I wonder what they would've been...
This time I voted for a 3D game.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
What can I say, I am a sucker for the 2D Zeldas, but once they get into the later series it is not as cut and dry.
The 3D Zeldas all have their distinct styles and advantages and disadvantages. For instance OoT is probably the most cherished for being the first 3D Zelda and the game everyone looks to as the standard, but is that standard the best? In many things yes, it is...but in others no, it fell short.
Majora's Mask is the most different with a unique story and environment and atmosphere. Its a great game, but also one of the least Zelda feeling in some people's opinions.
Wind Waker is perhaps the most controversial Zelda game. The graphics, the ocean, the lack of ground exploring for a sea adventure....it is all very different. Add to it a rushed feel with a dungeon or 2 missing...but then again everything above that is a fault can also be a strength...and it is also one of the more memorable Zeldas...specially the fantastic end battle.
Twilight Princess: The game that appeared to do everything right in giving fans what they wanted in coming back to OoT tradition, but then became too familiar to the original. Great Wii controls, big vast world, a good number of dungeons and adding even more story elements with triggered story events to play through....but then there are the wolf segments some people hated. And, they still basically visited the same story of a dark and light world for the 3rd time.
I think the 3D games are doing better for bronze because most Zelda fans believe and LttP is the defining moment in the Zelda franchise that set the course of the series for the future...and is one of the most careful and finest made games of all time. Many people vote it, for best because of just how much influence it has on the entire series...and how good it is.
Once people already voted for LttP it opened them up to vote for the 3D games. I honestly don't know why Link's Awakening is getting the same number of votes. It is a great game, and the characters within the game world are more fleshed out and interesting than the characters from LttP, but to me it just feels like I am carrying around a portable LttP, which is cool...but still pushes the nod to LttP, as the better game.
I really, can't vote for the 3D games because I don't know which of those is better, or which I want to play again...but I know given a chance I would play LttP again...at least 2-3 more times. And I would play a remake of Link's Awakening again, but probably not the original or DX version.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 03, 2010, 04:59:41 AM
I went with OOT because it had a good start to the game and it was really fleshed out as an adventure title.
Majora's Mask was a very interesting idea and the dungeons were challenging.
Wind Waker dispite the contraversy was an enjoyable game.
Twilight Princess if it started quicker to get into the game it would be more enjoyable. After you got into it it was enjoyable. Great Boss battles.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: UncleBob on May 03, 2010, 03:07:09 PM
It's neat that there appears to be four games near the top of everyone's lists - LttP, LA, OoT and MM.
Just a side question - would you buy a "remastered" version of OoT or Majora's Mask at full price? What about $30? $20?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: vudu on May 03, 2010, 03:10:51 PM
Depends on how "remastered" it is. Full-blown remake? Probably pay full price. Perfect Dark XBLA upscaling? Probably wouldn't be interested.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: UncleBob on May 03, 2010, 03:19:56 PM
I'm thinking along the lines of the God of War collection for the PS3.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: vudu on May 03, 2010, 03:24:32 PM
Pass
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 03, 2010, 04:26:51 PM
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Just a side question - would you buy a "remastered" version of OoT or Majora's Mask at full price? What about $30? $20?
Considering I have the original N64 carts, the Cube Master Quest version and the Collector's Edition I already own three copies of OoT and two of MM. So, no, I wouldn't buy those games again for full price. I MIGHT buy them again for $30 IF there was a significant remastering going on here, like new bonus content and completely redone graphics. Even that is iffy. I'd rather Nintendo focus on new games. With the VC there is really no need to bother re-releasing games in special editions and such anymore. It was different before where you had to get some used copy for a console that hadn't been around in years. Special editions were a way to get that game back on sale for those that missed it. These days if you want it you can just get it.
I would however buy a Zero Mission style remake of either NES Zelda. Those games are dated enough that a remake would be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 03, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
I'd love to see Nintendo take another stab at Zelda II. I think with a few tweaks it could be really good.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: UncleBob on May 03, 2010, 11:42:41 PM
Numbers are really, really close. In fact, they've been running that way all along. Vote for your favorite now. :D
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 3 : Zelda | LA gets Silver. Vote now for Bronze!
Post by: UncleBob on May 04, 2010, 02:14:38 AM
And Majora's Mask is crowned the third place winner.
The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, GCN, VC) - 1 (4.8%) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64, GCN, VC) - 6 (28.6%) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64, GCN, VC) - 7 (33.3%) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GCN) - 2 (9.5%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GCN) - 1 (4.8%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 1 (4.8%) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN/Wii) - 3 (14.3%) Total Members Voted: 21
Next round coming up...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 4: Zelda | Majora's Mask in third!
Post by: UncleBob on May 04, 2010, 02:19:51 AM
This round had OoT and MM going neck-and-neck virtually the entire time. I thought we might have our first run-off.
For all the love the 2D Zeldas was getting, it sure dropped off steep there. Only three people voted for a 2D Zelda this round?
I went with Wind Waker this time. I'm sure OoT will probably take fourth - and it probably deserves, at least, that. I think Wind Waker is a better game, though. Even if it is pretty unfinished toward the end...
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Post by: Mop it up on May 04, 2010, 05:03:41 AM
As far as 2D Zeldas that remain. The standouts are Minish Cap and the 2 NES games. I don't know who played the Oracle games.
I did, and while I'm not a big fan of Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages is awesome (if a little too inspired by Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time). If there's any justice, the Oracle games will rate higher than the incredibly mediocre Minish Cap. And hopefully Zelda 2 will be right at the bottom of the list where it belongs.
And now that Majora's Mask is out, my vote now's for Ocarina, followed by Twilight and then Wind Waker.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 04, 2010, 08:51:14 AM
I'd buy an OoT remake, but I'd also be very interested if they remade Wind Waker and actually finished making it this time. Get rid of the triforce hunt, put in (at least) the two dungeons that were cut out, and I'd pay full price for that.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 4: Zelda | Majora's Mask in third!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 04, 2010, 09:45:17 AM
I actually like the Tri-Force hunt from the Wind Waker, but it needs to be redone.
I say add in the last 2 dungeons and give 2 new items yes it is needed. But for the Tri-Force Hunt, I would rather have only 3 pieces to find...but only have partial maps and clues to start with...and you must solve the puzzle of the map in the world to find the Tri-Force, and you can create a really engaging series of events during the Tri-Force hunt. With the addition of scripted events during the Tri-Force to enhance that section of the game it could be very entertaining.
I would not pay full price for it, but I think a 39.99 dollar price is reasonable...perhaps better 35.99.
Now, for an OoT remake. If the graphics were improved, and they added new Wii controls, and different quests, and someone managed to squeeze Majora's Mask into the game. ( I have a really clever idea how to do that...) I think an OoT remake could be truly amazing.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 04, 2010, 09:52:52 AM
Well there were two dungeons cut out of Ocarina of Time, as well. They weren't needed nearly as much as the cut dungeons in Wind Waker were, but they'd be nice to have.
Zelda games are never really finished, the developers just stop making them. Even Miyamoto can't put off the release forever.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 4: Zelda | Majora's Mask in third!
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 04, 2010, 10:47:13 AM
Exactly, that is what happened with Duke Nukem Forever. The game kept getting delayed every time a new engine or piece of tech came out because the head of the development studio kept wanting everything in the game to be state of the art. On more than once occasion the game was almost done, then they would scrap it and start over because a new and more advanced game engine came out. EVERY game can be improved, but at some point the studio has to say that the game is good enough and release it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 4: Zelda | Majora's Mask in third!
Post by: UncleBob on May 04, 2010, 11:06:38 AM
Not with downloadable content! ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 4: Zelda | Majora's Mask in third!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2010, 01:15:55 PM
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For all the love the 2D Zeldas was getting, it sure dropped off steep there. Only three people voted for a 2D Zelda this round?
Makes sense to me. The best 2D Zeldas already were voted for and the other ones don't have the same reputation or popularity. It looks like it's now time to focus on the best of the 3D games. After that we'll start getting more of a mishmash.
I voted for Ocarina of Time this time which I figure will be a shoe-in to win. I like Majora's Mask a little bit more due to personal taste but the two N64 games are practically equals.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 4: Zelda | Majora's Mask in third!
Post by: Mop it up on May 04, 2010, 05:58:33 PM
This is going to be tough choosing until only the ones I've never played are left. Those are Minish Cap, Four Swords, and the two DS ones.
I played the Oracles games, and though I don't think they're up to the greatness of other 2D Zelda games, they are still pretty good. I prefer Seasons because messing with the seasons is a bit less cliché than time travel.
I'm going with Ocarina again, but next time I'm going to have trouble deciding between the two NES Zelda games. I like them both and they're so different...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 4: Zelda | Majora's Mask in third!
Post by: UncleBob on May 07, 2010, 12:29:07 PM
Woah - dropped the ball here. Actually, worked yesterday, then ended up making a trip to see Iron Man 1/2 back to back. Neat.
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64, GCN, VC) - 9 (52.9%) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GCN) - 3 (17.6%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 1 (5.9%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (NDS) - 1 (5.9%) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN/Wii) - 3 (17.6%)
Total Members Voted: 17
Next round in a few.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: UncleBob on May 07, 2010, 12:42:59 PM
I know we don't have the same people voting each time, but it's odd how some games seem to jump around in the number of votes they get.
OoT deserved a high finish. Not my personal fav, but a good game. Going for Wind Waker again. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 07, 2010, 12:44:55 PM
Still annoyed that the two best Zelda games have not won.
I went with Twilight Princess (although I would be happy with The Wind Waker too).
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: broodwars on May 07, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
I went with Wind Waker this time. The tedious Triforce fetch quest, equally tedious sailing, and typical slow 3D Zelda opening prevent me from wanting to replay it like I would Majora's Mask or Link to the Past, but I did enjoy it more than Twilight Princess overall and a little more than Oracle of Ages. Plus, you have to love the Cel Shading.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: Ian Sane on May 07, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
I voted for Minish Cap. I probably like that game more than anyone else in the world. I just blasted through that game and I don't mean like it was too short. I blasted through it because I just couldn't stop playing it until it was done. I can't really explain the hook. I think maybe it's because it's the closest thing we have to another A Link to the Past. It's a 2D Zelda with SNES quality visuals and there are actually only two of those.
Sometimes a game just comes together in a way where you just find it incredibly satisfying. Minish Cap did that for me.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 09, 2010, 04:50:35 AM
Minish Cap is awesome. I had a problem with the game, accidentally turning it off during a save and losing my data. In doing so I never finished the game or started, because I was several hours in and didn't want to re-invest that time...since there is a lot of collecting and exploring and story in that game.
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Post by: Stratos on May 09, 2010, 05:50:43 AM
Gah! Why do I always miss these awesome polls?
At least Awakening and Majora finished high. LttP was a given for finishing high.
those were my three favorites. So now I have to make hard choices.
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Post by: broodwars on May 09, 2010, 03:21:58 PM
Looks like we're going to have a quick run-off between Wind Waker and Twilight Princess for the next two spots, as they both finished with 5 votes.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: Stratos on May 09, 2010, 04:18:08 PM
LOL, my last minute vote threw a wrench in that. I voted for Twilight Princess.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: Mop it up on May 09, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
I voted Zelda II. Can I be the tie-breaking vote? From those two, I would pick Twilight Princess.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 09, 2010, 04:56:01 PM
I forgot to vote in this one. For what it's worth, I would have gone with Wind Waker even before knowing the results.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5: Zelda | OoT with an honerable 4th place finish
Post by: UncleBob on May 10, 2010, 12:52:10 AM
Hmmm... our first run-off round, coming up in a few.
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES, GBA, VC) - 1 (7.1%) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GCN) - 5 (35.7%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GCN) - 1 (7.1%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 2 (14.3%) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN/Wii) - 5 (35.7%)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5a: Zelda | Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess?
Post by: UncleBob on May 10, 2010, 12:55:56 AM
Okay, this round is the run-off for 5th place. Both Twilight Princess and Wind Waker have tied with five votes each, so they will run again for 24 hours. Get your votes in now!
After 24 hours, a winner will be chosen. That title will receive the honor of 5th place. The losing title will be thrown back into the pool and will have to fight again for its spot in the rankings.
This is a winner-take-all match up. Vote for the one of these two games that you feel is the better game!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5a: Zelda | Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess?
Post by: ShyGuy on May 10, 2010, 02:38:04 AM
I'm still mad about Oot at 4th place, it deserves first, second at the very least.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5a: Zelda | Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess?
Post by: ThePerm on May 10, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
i voted Wind Waker because when you killed enemies they dropped their weapons and you got to use them, gay love letters, knocking over peoples ceramics, and getting yelled at for stealing.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5a: Zelda | Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess?
Post by: UncleBob on May 10, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
hmm... the way this poll is trending, I'm interested in seeing the responses to the results.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5a: Zelda | Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess?
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 10, 2010, 10:29:28 PM
hmm... the way this poll is trending, I'm interested in seeing the responses to the results.
I'm guessing that Windwaker is winning based on this comment.
Maybe. There's a lot of dislike toward TP from some of the hard core who see it as filler to satisfy the graphics/mature oriented crowd.
More importantly, TP and WW are, virtually, opposite ends of the Zelda spectrum. It's interesting to see them stacked against one another.
And, besides, who says it isn't trending toward another tie? :)
What would you do if there was another tie? Give both titles 5th or would we have another tiebreaker?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 5a: Zelda | Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess?
Post by: UncleBob on May 11, 2010, 01:36:25 AM
Round 5a) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GCN) - 12 (66.7%) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN/Wii) - 6 (33.3%) Total Members Voted: 18
A 2:1 victory for Wind Waker. Surprising, IMHO, although I like Wind Waker more...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: UncleBob on May 11, 2010, 01:47:53 AM
Now, it's starting to get hard for me. My top games have been chosen. I really like every Zelda game, even Zelda II, but it's starting to get to a point where I'm having a hard time deciding which I like slightly more than another.
I went with Four Swords Adventures. It was kinda a toss-up between this one and Seasons, but this one won out because of the battle mode - had tons of fun with that.
As for the last poll - I'm surprised that Wind Waker beat Twilight Princess so badly. They're both top-shelf games, but WW was very controversial. While TP has its haters, it never had the bad press that WW had. Just surprised. I assume TP will probably take 6th, but, while I did enjoy the game, it just doesn't beat FSA for me.
On another note, I forgot to add Link's Crossbow Training! Oh noes!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 11, 2010, 02:03:15 AM
I picked Wind Waker in the tie break. I'm going back to Zelda 2:The Adventure of Link. It is a game that has all of the elements that the current games do. Magic system. Combat system. Nice Bosses.
The magic was implimented in Link to the Past.Adventure of Link laid the groundwork and Link to the Past made it standard in Zelda games. The combat was challenging in Adventure of Link. There were a few combat moves that were used later in games. Zelda:OOT had the Lock on system and that propelled combat more from Zelda 2. In Twilight Princess you could learn various combat moves. Bosses were fun to take on in Zelda 2. After that the bosses got more fun and epic after that. So Zelda 2 gets my vote for starting all of the things which makes Zelda Zelda.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: broodwars on May 11, 2010, 02:09:17 AM
As for the last poll - I'm surprised that Wind Waker beat Twilight Princess so badly. They're both top-shelf games, but WW was very controversial. While TP has its haters, it never had the bad press that WW had. Just surprised. I assume TP will probably take 6th, but, while I did enjoy the game, it just doesn't beat FSA for me.
My problem with Twilight Princess is that it's fractured development led to a very mismatched final product that, while still good, never really comes together. You have a very definite first half and a very definite second half, and the two halves are radically different in storytelling and tone. There's also the Twilight Dimension and Link's wolf form, which both come off as wasted and arbitrary since the game doesn't really do anything interesting with either one. Toss in dungeons which emphasize the new Zelda law of "this item shall be used in this dungeon heavily, but will only be used in this dungeon"; an underwhelming selection of weapons; and kind of an underwhelming cast of characters (outside of Midna), and it's just an "ok" Zelda game. Of all the Zelda games, it's the one that's hurt most by the stagnant Zelda formula.
Wind Waker has some severe problems, but it more or less tries to take its central conceit of the ocean world and just run with it.
As for this next round, I'm probably going to have to go with either the Oracle games or Four Swords Adventures. Haven't made up my mind yet.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: Stratos on May 11, 2010, 04:32:02 AM
I feel that Twilight had a lot of missed opportunities. All of those secondary characters who 'worked with you' to fight evil felt like they could have been much more but disappeared into irrelevancy until that one point in the final castle when you are briefly reminded of their existence.
I'm torn by what to do with Master Quest. I feel half of my enjoyment of it is based solely on how much it messes with my ingrained memories of how to beat the game. Much of it's difficulty came from the changes they made so I'm thinking I shouldn't make it a higher voted game.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 11, 2010, 08:51:49 PM
It's no surprise that Wind Waker beat Twilight Princess by that margin because of the Zelda cycle. It's still the newest home console Zelda which by default is the most hated. Everyone time a new Zelda comes out on the home consoles the fans love to hate it and suddenly praise the previous one. Majora's Mask was hated until Wind Waker came out, and then Wind Waker was hated until Twilight Princess came out.
I can guarentee once the upcoming Zelda Wii comes out, Twilight Princess will suddenly be praised while whatever the upcoming Zelda Wii will be ripped apart. Until of course, several years from now it's sequel comes out and then it too will be loved.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: UncleBob on May 12, 2010, 12:34:33 AM
That's an interesting observation.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 12, 2010, 12:38:56 AM
It's no surprise that Wind Waker beat Twilight Princess by that margin because of the Zelda cycle. It's still the newest home console Zelda which by default is the most hated. Everyone time a new Zelda comes out on the home consoles the fans love to hate it and suddenly praise the previous one. Majora's Mask was hated until Wind Waker came out, and then Wind Waker was hated until Twilight Princess came out.
I can guarentee once the upcoming Zelda Wii comes out, Twilight Princess will suddenly be praised while whatever the upcoming Zelda Wii will be ripped apart. Until of course, several years from now it's sequel comes out and then it too will be loved.
How would you explain Link to the Past? It as far as I know was loved when it came out.
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Post by: UncleBob on May 12, 2010, 12:44:07 AM
How would you explain Link to the Past? It as far as I know was loved when it came out.
Pre-internet era. ;)
The PIE effect is common with a lot of titles I would say. It was partly due to back then only being able to eat our pie instead of getting it today and bitching about it on forums.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: Ian Sane on May 12, 2010, 12:43:51 PM
One thing to note is that as more sequels are introduced there is a greater body of work to compare to. When A Link to the Past came out it had only two games to compare to. Ocarina of Time only had four. Twilight Princess could be compared with eleven.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 12, 2010, 05:08:34 PM
When A Link to the Past came out it had only two games to compare to.
Not only that but the NES Zelda's even back in the early 90's were starting to show their age. Link to the Past managed to take what the original started and not only made it way more playable, but improved on the gameplay so much that it made the original NES game obsolete in comparison.
This is why Link to the Past is pretty much universally praised and is no surprised it won the contest, since it's the Zelda that really made the series a pinnacle of game design it is today. After it came out, it's kind of impossible to improve on the series any more since Link to the Past pretty much perfected the gameplay and so all that could be done is build on it.
This is why even though Ocarina of Time was being called the greatest game ever made by the gaming media back in 98, the Zelda fans weren't so thrilled. I remember many editorials from Zelda fansite back then calling it a great game, but saying lacked the magic of Link to the Past.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: vudu on May 12, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
Not only that but the NES Zelda's even back in the early 90's were starting to show their age. Link to the Past managed to take what the original started and not only made it way more playable, but improved on the gameplay so much that it made the original NES game obsolete in comparison.
For what it's worth, I would expect the exact same results if we were to run a Metroid series poll--Super Metroid would win in a landslide.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 12, 2010, 05:23:39 PM
This is why even though Ocarina of Time was being called the greatest game ever made by the gaming media back in 98, the Zelda fans weren't so thrilled. I remember many editorials from Zelda fansite back then calling it a great game, but saying lacked the magic of Link to the Past.
I blame Hyrule Field. It's empty and boring except when it's endlessly spawning annoying enemies. It only exists for the sake of "Look at the size of that thing" epic showiness, but then the thrill wore off and it became an impediment to the gameplay.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: Ian Sane on May 12, 2010, 05:33:38 PM
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This is why even though Ocarina of Time was being called the greatest game ever made by the gaming media back in 98, the Zelda fans weren't so thrilled. I remember many editorials from Zelda fansite back then calling it a great game, but saying lacked the magic of Link to the Past.
I didn't have much for internet access back then so I really don't know what people were thinking at the time. But one thing that really stood out to me when Ocarina of Time came out is that it had this incredible scope and ambition that few games, period, had at the time. The level of detail it had was very new and exciting at the time. Half-Life and Metal Gear Solid came out around the same time and they too got a lot of praise for some things that are very routine today. The first 3D generation brought this ability to really create a world with all sorts of touches that 2D games couldn't do.
Ocarina of Time had all these sword swipes and context sensitive actions so you could ride a horse and push this and pick up that. You could switch to first person view at any time. You had to play individual notes on your Ocarina. You could travel through time and thus play as both a child and an adult. Day and night passed as time went on. This was all really ambitious stuff at the time and you take A Link to the Past, make it 3D, and add all THIS and no wonder people thought it was the best game ever. When I first played OoT I spent like ten minutes CUTTING UP SIGNS because I could cut it differently depending on what sword swipe I used. Does anyone ever bother with something like that now?
No Zelda game can have that big jump that OoT had. The hook of the game is that they went for broke and included every detail they could think of. Everything in comparison is going to be incremental.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: MoronSonOfBoron on May 13, 2010, 08:27:07 AM
Wow, I was the lone vote for Phantom Hourglass?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 13, 2010, 08:37:00 AM
Ian Sane: I dunno. I wouldn't say 2D games can't have that same level of detail...in fact in many aspects I think it can have equal or possibly even more interactions.
Lets see...Link to the Past had basically everything you could do in OoT in it. Cut signs, pick up bushes, cut pushes, travel between two similar worlds. I think people limit 2D gaming because they feel that 3rd Dimension adds something...but it very rarely actually adds anything detail wise that can't be done in 2D.
I do agree that Zelda OoT had incredible details though. Specially for that time.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 13, 2010, 09:52:40 AM
For what it's worth, I would expect the exact same results if we were to run a Metroid series poll--Super Metroid would win in a landslide.
I highly doubt it, I would expect Metroid Prime to easily win (and rightfully so since it is easily one of the best games ever).
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 6: Zelda | Wind Waker stomps TP for 5th
Post by: UncleBob on May 13, 2010, 10:43:38 AM
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GCN) - 2 (12.5%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 2 (12.5%) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GCN/Wii) - 8 (50%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 1 (6.3%) Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES, GBA, VC) - 2 (12.5%) The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, VC) - 1 (6.3%)
Total Members Voted: 16
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: UncleBob on May 13, 2010, 11:01:49 AM
I figured TP would take 6th (after the last two rounds, not from the beginning).
What's interesting is that there's no clear 7th place at this point (not via the new poll, but from looking at previous polls). Are we less than halfway through and we're already scraping the bottom of the barrel?
I went with Four Swords Adventures again. Great game. Love the battle mode. In fact, I'd love to see the battle mode expanded into a full game that would be a cross between it and Smash Bros. I call it Super Sprite Bros. and it a 2D, sprite based battler featuring Nintendo characters and powerups from the history of Nintendo. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: vudu on May 13, 2010, 01:35:14 PM
For what it's worth, I would expect the exact same results if we were to run a Metroid series poll--Super Metroid would win in a landslide.
I highly doubt it, I would expect Metroid Prime to easily win (and rightfully so since it is easily one of the best games ever).
We shall see--Bob, after this series has run its course you know what to do!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 13, 2010, 02:25:40 PM
Zelda 2 same reasons I stated when I voted for it before.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: broodwars on May 13, 2010, 02:29:31 PM
I didn't vote in the last one (I forgot to do so before the poll expired), but I think I'll go for Four Swords Adventures this time. My only major problem with that game was with the soundtrack (seriously, why wasn't the LttP Lost Woods theme used when you're in the Lost Woods in Four Swords Adventures?). Otherwise, it was a more beautiful LttP, and a surprisingly serviceable Single-Player game.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: Stratos on May 13, 2010, 02:30:29 PM
I rarely got to play it with other people and never beat it, but the few times I did play it with friends it was awesome.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: Mop it up on May 13, 2010, 06:13:59 PM
Everyone time a new Zelda comes out on the home consoles the fans love to hate it and suddenly praise the previous one. Majora's Mask was hated until Wind Waker came out, and then Wind Waker was hated until Twilight Princess came out.
How do you know it was the same people? Different voices speak up at different times, it doesn't mean the same people hated the game and then changed their minds later.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: Gameboy Freak on May 14, 2010, 10:10:02 AM
Obviously I had to vote for the Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Master Quest! It's totally a super special awesome remix of my favorite video game after all! ;D
FYI: I received my CIB copy of the Japanese version of Ocarina of Time yesterday and in the words of NintendoCapriSun "So Happy!".
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 7: Zelda | TP Makes a Comeback, Takes 6th
Post by: UncleBob on May 16, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest (GCN) - 1 (5.9%) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (GBC) - 1 (5.9%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA) - 1 (5.9%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GCN) - 4 (23.5%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 3 (17.6%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 2 (11.8%) Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES, GBA, VC) - 3 (17.6%) The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, VC) - 2 (11.8%)
Total Members Voted: 17
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 16, 2010, 01:58:11 AM
Zelda 2 for the reasons I stated before.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: UncleBob on May 16, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
The votes are really getting spread out now. With the least amount of games in a poll so far, FSA won with the lowest percentage of votes. "Bottom of the Barrel"?
It's odd that Zelda II seems to be getting more love than Zelda I. I'll be interested in seeing how those two finish the poll off. I imagine that Z1 fans are voting for some of the later games (notably, Minish Cap and FSA) while Z2 fans don't really have anything similar/better to vote for, since Z2 is different from all the other selections.
Went with Four Swords. I know this one will probably finish pretty low on the list (but then, I didn't expect FSA to finish as high as it did). This game was a lot of fun. I would *love* a DS/WiFi version of this.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: UncleBob on May 16, 2010, 02:00:56 AM
Maxi - do you expect to see Zelda II beat Zelda I in this poll?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 16, 2010, 02:05:00 AM
Eh who knows. There are fans of both. I find Zelda 2 to be more challenging. It also has a bigger world than the first Zelda. It also started the Magic system that is in pretty much all the Zelda games since Zelda 2.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2010, 02:21:48 AM
I went with Oracle of Ages this time, my favorite of the Oracle games and one that I'm surprised has fallen this far down the list.
To me, Four Swords belongs right there with the Ocarina of Time Master Quest, in that it's not a game that stands on its own. In fact, in Four Swords' case, it's literally just another mode tacked on to the GBA version of Link to the Past. I wouldn't be surprised if they fell near the bottom of the list, but it wouldn't be due to lack of quality, just that they don't really belong here.
The game that I hope does fall to the bottom of the list is that pile of garbage that is Zelda II, and if other games don't eat away Zelda I's vote that's probably how it's going to go. Unfortunately, Zelda II benefits from there being a lot of games left that can spread the vote. Hell, Minish Cap can sit there near the bottom as well (though still higher on the list than Phantom Hourglass), one of the few Zelda games I feel just completely failed at the idea it was trying to sell: that you were shrinking down and exploring the same areas from a new perspective. It always just felt to me like you're just exploring a new set of maps in a sort of parallel dimension sort of way.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: UncleBob on May 16, 2010, 02:29:16 AM
To me, Four Swords belongs right there with the Ocarina of Time Master Quest, in that it's not a game that stands on its own. In fact, in Four Swords' case, it's literally just another mode tacked on to the GBA version of Link to the Past. I wouldn't be surprised if they fell near the bottom of the list, but it wouldn't be due to lack of quality, just that they don't really belong here.
I could see that argument being made about MQ, but Four Swords? It's an entirely new adventure. New graphics, 100% new levels, new story line, new monsters, the introduction of a brand new series villain. Sure, it was released on the same Game Pak as LttP, but Duck Hunt was released on the same cartridge as Super Mario Bros... I wouldn't just call it a "different mode"...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: Stratos on May 16, 2010, 04:58:42 AM
I went with Seasons and now realize that the Seasons/Ages fans will also cannibalize those games in the polls.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: vudu on May 16, 2010, 02:36:53 PM
Phantom Hourglass 4 life
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: Mop it up on May 16, 2010, 04:40:35 PM
I voted for Zelda II, partly because it is the underdog. I like the first game more, but it is still one of my favourite NES games. It seems the main reason people trash it is simply because it is so different than the first game. It's the perfect example of why Nintendo can never try something new with a beloved franchise without receiving a lot of negativity and complaints, and this was only the second game in the series!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 19, 2010, 03:12:35 PM
Zelda 2 won.Now it is going to get tough as I really haven't beaten or played most of the games left.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: Stratos on May 19, 2010, 07:40:46 PM
It will be interesting now to see who wins as games are eliminated. I'm still expecting one more poll where we see a single title dominate all the others.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: Mop it up on May 19, 2010, 09:05:00 PM
I'm going for the original next. It was one of the few NES games that managed to fascinate me back before I had any real interest in videogames. After that, only the Oracle games are what I've played of what is left.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 8: Zelda | FSA in 7th!
Post by: UncleBob on May 19, 2010, 11:31:12 PM
Thanks for the bump. Sometimes I forget about this...
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest (GCN) - 1 (7.1%) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC) - 1 (7.1%) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (GBC) - 2 (14.3%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA) - 2 (14.3%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 1 (7.1%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 2 (14.3%) Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES, GBA, VC) - 3 (21.4%) The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, VC) - 2 (14.3%)
Total Members Voted: 14
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: UncleBob on May 19, 2010, 11:34:34 PM
Going with Four Swords again.
Two things interest me - First, Zelda II won with a whopping three votes. The voting was really spread out this round - if we had a few more votes, it could have virtually gone any direction.
Second - Spirit Tracks had zero votes. Is this because it's the newest game? It hasn't had time to resonate with anyone? Or is it just considered bad?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 20, 2010, 12:12:53 AM
Spirit Tracks from what I have played was good. I just get the feeling that it is mostly linear.Most Zelda fans like to explore the world. Also I think its newness can make it hard to compare with past games.
Gonna go with The Legend of Zelda. I like that it is pretty non linear. The world was vast and there is lots of small things that are surprising.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: Stratos on May 20, 2010, 04:53:58 AM
Sticking with Seasons. Either Seasons or Ages needs to win soon.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 20, 2010, 05:41:59 AM
Second - Spirit Tracks had zero votes. Is this because it's the newest game? It hasn't had time to resonate with anyone? Or is it just considered bad?
I just haven't gotten the chance to buy it yet. I still have a large backlog of games to play and since Spirit Tracks has only been out for 6 months, I just haven't felt the need to get it yet since I know it'll still be around for at least another year.
So yeah I'd imagine there's others who just haven't gotten around to buying it yet for similar reasons as well.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 20, 2010, 01:14:30 PM
I've been on the Z2 bandwagon for the last few. Now I'd have to choose the Oracle games, but they're really going to suffer from split votes. I think Ages was the better of the two, so I'm going with that.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 22, 2010, 04:05:14 AM
Oracles of Seasons gets 3 votes while several others get 2 votes.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: Stratos on May 22, 2010, 04:19:56 AM
Woo-Hoo! Let's go for a one-two punch Oracle-Seasons fans! If the Seasons voters now back Ages we get bot games passed back to back.
Go Ages, go!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 9: Zelda | Zelda II takes 8th with three votes!
Post by: UncleBob on May 22, 2010, 09:13:35 AM
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC) - 2 (18.2%) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (GBC) - 3 (27.3%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA) - 1 (9.1%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 1 (9.1%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 2 (18.2%) The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, VC) - 2 (18.2%)
Total Members Voted: 11
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10: Zelda | OoS in 9th with three votes! OoA...?
Post by: UncleBob on May 22, 2010, 09:16:29 AM
Four Swords GBA again for me.
Again, no votes for Spirit Tracks - but Master Quest also had no votes this time around.
Odd that Z1 hasn't won yet.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10: Zelda | OoS in 9th with three votes! OoA...?
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 22, 2010, 10:34:31 AM
I went with Zelda 1 again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10: Zelda | OoS in 9th with three votes! OoA...?
Post by: Mop it up on May 22, 2010, 11:25:35 PM
I don't own a DS, so no Spirit Tracks/Phantom Hourglass for me.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10: Zelda | OoS in 9th with three votes! OoA...?
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 24, 2010, 04:12:16 PM
Dang it, I missed the deadline. Why do you discriminate against people who have a life on weekends, UncleBob?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10: Zelda | OoS in 9th with three votes! OoA...?
Post by: broodwars on May 24, 2010, 04:19:39 PM
Looks like it will be another run-off between Oracle of Ages and Legend of Nostalgia Zelda.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10: Zelda | OoS in 9th with three votes! OoA...?
Post by: Stratos on May 24, 2010, 04:21:05 PM
Come on, Ages!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10: Zelda | OoS in 9th with three votes! OoA...?
Post by: UncleBob on May 24, 2010, 04:32:05 PM
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC) - 3 (27.3%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA) - 2 (18.2%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 1 (9.1%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 2 (18.2%) The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, VC) - 3 (27.3%)
Total Members Voted: 11
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: UncleBob on May 24, 2010, 04:36:07 PM
Reminder: The Run-Off round only runs for 24 hours.
I like Oracle of Ages, but I'm going to have to give this to the original Zelda. Ages - while a great game - has a bit of collect-a-thon element to it that I'm not a fan of. And the original inspired Legend of Neil - which rocks. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2010, 07:12:45 PM
The original Zelda game is not that good anymore. It has aged better than Metoid, but still is pretty bad. I haven't played OOA though, so I again can't really vote.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: vudu on May 24, 2010, 09:15:48 PM
The original Zelda game is not that good anymore. It has aged better than Metoid, but still is pretty bad.
I disagree. I played the original game last year for the first time since before the SNES came out and found it to be perfectly playable. I only had to resort to GameFAQs once to find a dungeon that I simply couldn't locate.
It's strange how much I can remember about a game I hadn't played in nearly 20 years--I instinctively knew to burn certain bushes or blow up walls. I never knew what would be behind them, just that they held something.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2010, 10:27:48 PM
Different people have different tastes, I never really like the original game. I played it a little as a kid and a little when I got the Zelda compilation discs, but I couldn't get into it. There are many NES games I would rank above it, but I can see why others would like it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: Mop it up on May 24, 2010, 10:43:03 PM
I voted for the original, as I had done. It's one of the few NES games I can still stand to play. Though I'm not so sure how well the game has aged. If I didn't already know all of its secrets and dungeon layouts, I probably wouldn't have any interest in it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2010, 10:48:53 PM
I know I've been pretty vocal about my hatred of Link to the Past, but I'm a big fan of the original. It's aged better than most NES games; not as well as the Mario games, certainly, but it's definitely still playable and enjoyable.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: UncleBob on May 25, 2010, 12:18:20 AM
Don't forget to vote - this is going to be a close one, so it would seem.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 10a: Zelda | OoA vs. Z1 for 10th Place
Post by: UncleBob on May 25, 2010, 06:49:51 PM
Told ya it was gonna be close...
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC) - 6 (46.2%) The Legend of Zelda (NES, GBA, VC) - 7 (53.8%) Total Members Voted: 13
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: Stratos on May 25, 2010, 07:05:30 PM
Booo! :P
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: broodwars on May 25, 2010, 08:19:59 PM
And nostalgia wins out over quality yet again! ::)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on May 25, 2010, 08:31:28 PM
So you asked each voter their reason for their choice?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 25, 2010, 08:34:07 PM
Gonna go with Master quest this time around.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: Mop it up on May 25, 2010, 08:35:33 PM
And personal opinion wins over objective view once again! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: Shaymin on May 25, 2010, 09:02:20 PM
Ages or bust.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: UncleBob on May 26, 2010, 01:18:28 AM
And personal opinion wins over objective view once again! :rolleyes:
I don't really agree with this. Z1 isn't a flawless game by any means - but the flaws that it does have are mostly due to the restrictions of the system it was released on. Ages, on the other hand, has several flaws that aren't limited to the system it was released on.
Z1 is a world full of exploration and challenges - things like the swordless quests, minimalist quest, the entire second quest. All kinds of things you can do and all different kinds of ways to play the game. By comparison, Ages is pretty linear. You can't do B until you've done A.
The ring collect-a-thon, along with some of the pieces of heart (Pieces of Heart should never be hidden within a random event... this means you could try forever and never obtain them) really hurt the game. Granted, not as bad as, say, the Wind Waker photo quest or such, but still - if I want to play a collect-a-thon, I'll dig out DK64. It did it better. ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: Mop it up on May 26, 2010, 01:46:53 AM
That sounded more like you did agree...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: UncleBob on May 26, 2010, 02:00:33 AM
I agree with the results - that Z1 is a better game than Ages. I don't think that's as much of a personal opinion though - I mean, ultimately, what makes a game "good" will vary from person to person - but it seems to me that Z1 has more universal appeal than Ages because it does more things "right" and less things "wrong".
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: Mop it up on May 26, 2010, 02:18:47 AM
That's actually what I think, too. My comment was more of a direct response to Broodwars comment, but I didn't make that clear.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: UncleBob on May 26, 2010, 02:27:12 AM
Ah. I see now. ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 11: Zelda | Z1 slides into 10th Place.
Post by: UncleBob on May 27, 2010, 11:38:26 PM
Is anyone surprised? ;)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest (GCN) - 2 (16.7%) The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC) - 6 (50%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA) - 1 (8.3%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 1 (8.3%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (NDS) - 2 (16.7%)
Total Members Voted: 12
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: UncleBob on May 27, 2010, 11:40:14 PM
Surprised - Spirit Tracks still hasn't gotten a single vote.
Four Swords again from me.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 27, 2010, 11:56:55 PM
Master quest once again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: broodwars on May 28, 2010, 01:00:52 AM
Yeah, we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel so hard we're drilling through the floor underneath it, so I guess it's time for Master Quest this time from me as well.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: Mop it up on May 28, 2010, 01:26:29 AM
I haven't played any of those listed, so I voted for the one I want to play most: The Minish Cap.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: Stratos on May 28, 2010, 03:59:38 AM
Voting for Hourglass because it has a really awesome multiplayer. Was addicted to it for months.
Haven't played the 4-swords GBA because of the hardware requirements and never got around to trying Minish Cap so I won't be voting for them until the very end probably.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: Shaymin on May 28, 2010, 09:02:41 AM
So apparently I'm a handheld hater.
Blame me, I voted for Master Quest.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: vudu on May 28, 2010, 01:54:41 PM
FINALLY! I'M NO LONGER THE ONLY ONE VOTING FOR PHANTOM HOURGLASS.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on May 28, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
I no longer have a stake in this battle, so my vote is now for sale.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 28, 2010, 05:12:20 PM
FINALLY! I'M NO LONGER THE ONLY ONE VOTING FOR PHANTOM HOURGLASS.
Actually I've been voting for Phantom Hourglass ever since Four Swords Adventure won its round. That's why Phantom Hourglass has been getting 2 votes for the last couple rounds.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: Stratos on May 28, 2010, 09:26:18 PM
FINALLY! I'M NO LONGER THE ONLY ONE VOTING FOR PHANTOM HOURGLASS.
Actually I've been voting for Phantom Hourglass ever since Four Swords Adventure won its round. That's why Phantom Hourglass has been getting 2 votes for the last couple rounds.
With the way the votes have been distributing, our powers combined should mean TOTAL VICTORY!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: UncleBob on May 29, 2010, 07:28:02 PM
It's close again. Let's get a few more votes in here so we don't have to have another run-off round. ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 12: Zelda | OoA in at 11.
Post by: UncleBob on May 29, 2010, 11:43:06 PM
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Master Quest (GCN) - 5 (35.7%) The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA) - 2 (14.3%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 2 (14.3%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (NDS) - 4 (28.6%) The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (NDS) - 1 (7.1%)
Total Members Voted: 14
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: UncleBob on May 29, 2010, 11:48:00 PM
Master Quest and Phantom Hourglass spent some time tied - glad to see we don't have to have a run-off round again. :)
So, MQ beat out the four newest (original) handheld games. Interesting. Even more so, since there was some object to including it in the poll to begin with.
Spirit Tracks finally gets some love.
Voting for Four Swords (again, of course). Expect Phantom Hourglass to take the round.
So, discuss this - we're at the bottom, right?
How many of you would have voted for Link's Crossbow Training before any of the games left on the list? If so, why?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2010, 12:09:49 AM
Hmm all handheld games remaining. The only one out of those I played are Spirit Tracks. Played LTTP but not Four Swords so I would imagine we are only talking about the 4 Swords part of the game correct Unclebob?
Haven't played Link's Crossbow Training yet but from what I heard it is generally liked by those that have played it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: UncleBob on May 30, 2010, 12:12:00 AM
Played LTTP but not Four Swords so I would imagine we are only talking about the 4 Swords part of the game correct Unclebob?
Yeah, Four Swords only - think of it as the Super Mario/Duck Hunt combo cartridge.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2010, 12:18:05 AM
Didn't the game consist of 4 Links going around in Dungeons and every time you played the Dungeon would be slightly different?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: UncleBob on May 30, 2010, 12:39:25 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2010, 02:52:33 AM
Went with Four Swords this time, despite Minish Cap and Phantom Hourglass being the only Zelda games left I've actually played. I didn't care for either of those games, so Four Swords can only be an improvement.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: Stratos on May 30, 2010, 06:51:06 AM
Hourglass again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 30, 2010, 11:33:44 AM
I still care, as I am having a blast just trying to get my game voted. I think the problem is that this poll and this series takes a long time. If it could go faster it would be better...but if you make it go faster than not everyone will have a chance to vote...it is a difficult situation.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 30, 2010, 12:16:04 PM
Of the four remaining games, I have only played Four Sword and Phantom Hourglass and neither for very long. I only knew one other person with a GBA, so I only got to play Four Swords once (during lunch in high school). I only played a store demo of Phantom, but I hated the controls and that was enough to convince me not to buy it despite liking the look of the game.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: Mop it up on May 30, 2010, 03:03:11 PM
Still Minish Cap. I should really get around to buying that...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 13: Zelda | Does anyone even care anymore?
Post by: UncleBob on May 31, 2010, 11:44:42 PM
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA) - 5 (45.5%) The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 3 (27.3%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (NDS) - 3 (27.3%)
Total Members Voted: 11
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 14: Zelda | Four Swords at unlucky 13!
Post by: UncleBob on May 31, 2010, 11:49:55 PM
While I assume Spirit Tracks will take last place (it fell down to zero votes again this round), the Minish Cap vs. Phantom Hourglass race should be interesting.
On one hand, Phantom Hourglass does have the better story line. On the other hand, so many people dislike the controls and the Ocean Temple. But then, Minish Cap had the Kinstones.
I went with Minish Cap just because I did enjoy the idea of shrinking down. I don't think it was done all-too-well in this game, but the idea was a good one. I also liked that they brought back the seashells and that they tried to give the second main villain in the Zelda series some kind of backstory that didn't involve Ganon.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - Round 14: Zelda | Four Swords at unlucky 13!
Post by: UncleBob on June 03, 2010, 12:41:44 AM
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA) - 5 (50%) The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (NDS) - 3 (30%) The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (NDS) - 2 (20%)
Total Members Voted: 10
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: UncleBob on June 03, 2010, 12:44:26 AM
Well, here we are, the final round. The two newest games in the series, battling it out for second to last place.
I went with Spirit Tracks. While both titles were great games, I felt that Spirit Tracks was a bit more polished. Also, the multi-player in it was more fun. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 03, 2010, 02:07:53 AM
I went with Spirit Tracks this time around since I haven't played Phantom Hourglass.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: Halbred on June 03, 2010, 03:06:43 PM
If Spirit Tracks loses, the bearrorists win.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 03, 2010, 03:20:57 PM
I hate the controls in the DS games, so I don't care either way. I am surprised they finished last though.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: UncleBob on June 04, 2010, 12:54:43 AM
Very interesting poll results so far.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: vudu on June 04, 2010, 02:19:18 PM
The people voting for Spirit Tracks probably haven't played it. They just didn't like Phantom Hourglass so they assume Spirit Tracks is better.
They are mistaken.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: Halbred on June 04, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
I trust Neal Rhonaghan.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: Stratos on June 04, 2010, 11:06:34 PM
Spirit Tracks has been OK. The train parts can be fun but the game feels too linear. It seems to squash the sense of exploration the series has been known for.
I voted Phantom Hourglass solely because of the multiplayer as I feel the single player is lacking. Too rehashed for my liking. The customizable vehicles are pretty neat though.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: Shaymin on June 04, 2010, 11:21:02 PM
Question: Is the next one going to be Mario, so I can avoid the thread when the inevitable Mario 3/Mario World slapfight starts?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 04, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I though it was going to be Metroid next. There was a request in the thread about it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: Stratos on June 04, 2010, 11:28:20 PM
I think it was discussed before that the next series is going to be Castlvania. Metroid was also a strong candidate I recall.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: UncleBob on June 04, 2010, 11:39:51 PM
The only thing I recall being discussed was Metroid.
If I did Mario... whew. Would Luigi's Mansion count? Wario Land 2/3/4? Super Mario Land 3/Wario Land 1? Yoshi's Island? Yoshi's Story? Does Super Mario Bros DX. for the GBC count as enough of a separate release? Could be interesting.
Metroid would be pretty straight forward to do. And wouldn't take *too* long.
I'm not much of a Castlevania fan - I could pull a list from Wikipedia or some such, but if Castlevania is the next round, I'd let a Castlevania fan take the reigns of it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1 - FINAL ROUND - Phantom Hourglass vs. Spirit Tracks
Post by: UncleBob on June 05, 2010, 12:55:18 AM
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (NDS) - 4 (30.8%) The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (NDS) - 9 (69.2%)
Total Members Voted: 13
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: UncleBob on June 05, 2010, 01:05:35 AM
So, it's all said and done. Whacha think? Surprised that Spirit Tracks beat Phantom Hourglass. I think it's a better game, but the fact that it went the previous 14 rounds and only got one vote kinda surprised me.
Link's Awakening should have been first. :p
What should we do next? I'm interested in the results of a similar Mario Poll, but I dread putting that list together and running it. This one took over a month as it was.
I went with Mario Kart. This doesn't mean we can't come back to one of the other options later (or next?) - I think Mario Kart would be a nice change, since there's only 6 games, it would be done in about two weeks - if we stick with the current set up.
Which brings me to the next question - two days for voting... Is that enough? I feel like any more and the thread will go stale pretty quick. Even more so with larger a series like Zelda or Mario. But, there's been some concern about weekend polls. Perhaps polls that would run Saturday-Sunday should become three-day polls, running Saturday-Sunday-Monday?
Also, if you choose other for the poll, mention your series of choice here and I'll probably put it up in the poll. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Stratos on June 05, 2010, 02:56:26 AM
I could have sworn Castlvania was discussed. Maybe it was only mentioned in passing in a different thread.
I like the sound of Mario Kart. It's not been done to death and each game has good strengths and some weaknesses so it will be fun to see what happens.
Are there really only 6 titles? Feels like more but that may be due to the once per-system and the longevity of the series.
Super Mario Kart Mario Kart 64 Double Dash Super Circuit (thats the GBA one, right?) DS Wii
Hmm...
You forgot the two arcade games. Mario Kart GP 1 and 2. I played the first one and it was pretty fun. Plus it had a ton of extra items and such.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 05, 2010, 04:39:47 AM
Yeah go with Mario Kart. There's not that many games in the series so it'll be a nice break after Zelda since a Mario Kart poll wont take long.
If I did Mario... whew. Would Luigi's Mansion count? Wario Land 2/3/4? Super Mario Land 3/Wario Land 1? Yoshi's Island? Yoshi's Story? Does Super Mario Bros DX. for the GBC count as enough of a separate release? Could be interesting.
If you do a Mario Platformer poll, only do the Mario platformers were you actually play as Mario. Even though Yoshi's Island and Wario Land 1 both have the Mario name in the title, both games are really the start of Yoshi and Wario's own separate series. The only reason both games contain the Super Mario name in the title was so it could help both series get off the ground. This is why the sequel to both games, Yoshi's Story and Wario Land VB no longer have Mario in the title.
Luigi's Mansion isn't a platformer so it shouldn't be counted at all.
On the issue of Super Mario Bros DX, I'd say don't count it for the same reason I would also say not to count Mario-All Stars and the Mario Advance releases. It'll just create a giant mess and split a lot of the results. If say SMB3 got the most people voting for it in a certain round, but all the votes got split between the Original, All-Star and Advance versions of it and as a result something like Land 1 ends up winning over it because all it's votes went to it's only version, that wouldn't make a very good poll now would it.
I'd say for a Mario Platformer poll, just include Super Mario Bros 1-3 (count both American and Japanese version of SMB2), World, Land 1-2, NSMB DS and Wii, 64, Sunshine, and finally Galaxy 1-2. This way it'll be simple and to the point and we won't have to get into arguments about different version of certain games messing up the results.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 05, 2010, 05:14:51 AM
I think the Mario platformers would be interesting. The Metroid series and Mario Kart are both kind of short, and therefore, wouldn't be as interesting.
The Mario platformers that is some serious debating going on. And would be a blast.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: vudu on June 05, 2010, 10:20:52 AM
I can give you the results of the Mario Kart poll right now.
DS Wii Mario Kart 64 Super Mario Kart Double Dash Super Circuit (thats the GBA one, right?)
Tell me I'm wrong. Just try to.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 05, 2010, 12:06:18 PM
You are wrong, at least if that was based on quality. Double Dash is better than the original, but this Zelda poll showed that posters don't always vote based on quality (otherwise The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess would have both been in the top 5).
Stratos, I am not sure if the arcade games can really be included. The second one never got released here, and even the first one was barely even available because of how few arcades still exist (there wasn't a single Mario Kart Arcade GP cabinet within 100 miles of me and I live in one of the biggest cities in New York).
I went with Metroid, but either of the Mario ones would be OK.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: vudu on June 05, 2010, 07:34:26 PM
You are wrong ... but this Zelda poll showed that posters don't always vote based on quality
You'll notice I didn't say this was my personal list. I just claimed to know the results of the polls, thereby saving UncleBob the trouble of conducting them.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: UncleBob on June 05, 2010, 08:01:14 PM
Sorry, but you're wrong. MK64 and MK Wii would split the vote amongst console gamers and the DS version would take top honors.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: UncleBob on June 05, 2010, 08:15:11 PM
I don't think so. MKDS has too many issues. MK64 is near-perfect. ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 05, 2010, 10:14:12 PM
If you do Mario Platformers I think you have to include Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island, and its gameboy advance version. Those are both official Mario games....however Yoshi's Island 2 and Yoshi's Story are not Mario platformers.
So I would include:
Super Mario Bros 1-3 Super Mario All Star Super Mario World Super Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island Super Mario Land Super Mario Land 2 Super Mario 64 Super Mario Sunshine Super Mario Galaxy Super Mario Galaxy 2 New Super Mario Bros. New Super Mario Bros Wii Super Mario Bros for Gameboy Color Super Mario Bros Advance 1-3
Though I believe you could drop Super Mario All Stars since it is a collection of games, and then combine the advance games with the originals...and it can be just about the core game experience. That might be better for the series series polls.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Halbred on June 06, 2010, 02:09:00 AM
Castlevania has the most games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 06, 2010, 07:56:34 AM
Are we predicting the results, or how we will vote?
For me I think I will go:
DS Super Mario Kart 64 Super Circuit Wii Super Mario Kart Super Mario Kart Double Dash Super Mario Kart Arcade Games
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda
Post by: stevey on June 06, 2010, 09:38:02 PM
The poll start out great but fell apart neared the end. Here's how I would ranked the Zelda games:
Mario poll nao plz...oh damn it people vote for it I want Mario3/World slap fights.
Considering Galaxy 2 is still very new and is about to come out in Europe, I think we should wait on a Mario Platformer poll for a while. I'd imagine once more people get a chance to play Galaxy 2, it'll finish pretty high on a poll list. Because right now the first Galaxy would probably finish ahead of Galaxy 2 just because more people have played it. Which would be a shame since Galaxy 2 improves on the first game in every way possible.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Mop it up on June 07, 2010, 10:07:15 PM
Which would be a shame since Galaxy 2 improves on the first game in every way possible.
Not really. One thing it lacks is a sense of discovery. Because it sticks so close to the formula of the first game, it uses a lot of the same conventions. I already know what to expect, how to deal with every obstacle, and how to defeat each boss just by hearing their names.
Also, there's no storybook equivalent in Galaxy 2.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 08, 2010, 03:21:00 AM
Not really. One thing it lacks is a sense of discovery. Because it sticks so close to the formula of the first game, it uses a lot of the same conventions. I already know what to expect, how to deal with every obstacle, and how to defeat each boss just by hearing their names.
And that matters to the quality of the game how? Videogames aren't movies that I'm interested in being surprised over, they're games that I want to play. To me videogames are no different then any other type of game, whether it be a board game, card game or some kind of physical sports game. This is one of the reasons why I had no problem spoiling myself on all the stages and music before both Mario Galaxy games came out, because I don't care about what's in them because I want to know what I'll be playing in them.
This is why Mario Galaxy 2 is a better game in every way to me since it takes the gameplay of the first Galaxy and improves on it with better level design and a higher difficulty that makes getting all the stars in this game, much more satisfying then the first Galaxy.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: Mop it up on June 08, 2010, 03:37:22 AM
That makes some sense, I guess it is all about perception.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: UncleBob on June 12, 2010, 05:52:00 PM
Looks like Metroid barely won. Shame, I would have liked to see Mario Kart. ;)
Mario Kart - 5 (33.3%) Castlevania - 1 (6.7%) Mario Platformers - 3 (20%) Metroid - 6 (40%)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 1: Zelda - All Wrapped Up! Next Poll...?
Post by: broodwars on June 12, 2010, 06:00:50 PM
No doubt in my mind with this first vote: Metroid Prime all the way. It was the first Metroid game I actually enjoyed, the one that got me into the franchise. Great art design, great music, great level design, and a rare FPS that actually has perfectly manageable platforming.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: UncleBob on June 12, 2010, 06:05:03 PM
I'm going to change something with this poll - all polls will run two days... unless the poll will run primarily on Saturday/Sunday - then I'll run the poll for three days and extend it into Monday.
Counting Zero Mission as a separate release from the original Metroid. Not counting the Trilogy as anything more than a compilation - so, if you want to vote for one of the titles in it, vote for the individual game.
Yes, I included both DS games. Screw you, haters. :p
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 12, 2010, 06:06:45 PM
To me, Metroid Prime easily (although Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is not far behind).
The original game was good when it came out, but it has not aged well at all. It's ugly, brutally difficult, and does not control well.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2010, 06:21:54 PM
Super Metroid all the way.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 12, 2010, 06:49:10 PM
Well I am going to go with Super Metroid. Reason being that it is enjoyable and fun and has lots of ways to play through the game. Super Metroid also as far as I know started the concept of Speedruns.So it gets a nod for that.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
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Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 12, 2010, 10:06:19 PM
Super Metroid First Vote. Second Vote: Metroid Zero Mission. .... Last place Original Metroid. I don't care if it started it all...that game SUCKS.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 12, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
I respect Super Metroid, but I really would like to hear why some people consider it their favorite? Maybe it's nostalgia, the same way people remember some movies being better than they actually are. I am not affected by that as I didn't play the game until after Metroid Prime had been released.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 12, 2010, 10:32:15 PM
Here is the order I played the Metroid games in.
Super Metroid Metroid Fusion(There was a station to play it. Didn't get far as I wasn't used to the controls) Metroid Prime-Like got to the final boss but couldn't beat it. Metroid-On VC before launch of Corruption.Didn't make it far. Not really sure where to go. Metroid Prime 3:Corruption-Beat all difficulties except Hyper. Metroid Prime 2:Echos-Didn't get far because I couldn't figure out where to go. The rest of the games I haven't played so it will be difficult to judge.
My reasoning on Super Metroid is that it can be played in many different ways. There is a Backwards Playthrough of it on youtube where the player plays through the game by beating the bosses in the reverse order. It is a challenging way to play through the game. Many of the later Metroid games don't really offer that choice of play.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Mop it up on June 13, 2010, 02:40:22 AM
Super Metroid is 2D perfection.
I never even heard of Metroid until Samus's appearance in Super Smash Brothers, so I didn't play the games during their time. Starting in 2002, I played them in I believe this order...
Metroid Super Metroid Metroid Prime Metroid II Metroid Prime 2 Metroid Fusion Metroid Zero Mission Metroid Prime 3
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 13, 2010, 05:06:45 AM
I didn't play Super Metroid until the VC release in 2007, and I still consider it the best in the series. It holds up remarkably well.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 13, 2010, 05:09:09 AM
I'm probably the only one, but Metroid Prime 3 is my favorite. To me it pretty much took everything I loved about Prime 1+2 and improved on it. Not to mention on it's harder difficulties has the most intense and enjoyable boss fights in the series which really show why the Wiimote is amazing for FPS games even without Motion+. Makes you say "Holy Sh!t" when you think about what Retro could be able to do with Motion+ now.
Plus it has one of the most incredible soundtracks I've ever heard and shows easily why Kenji Yamamoto is one of Nintendo best composers.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Peachylala on June 13, 2010, 10:09:01 AM
Super Metroid is SNES perfection.
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Metroid Prime 2:Echos-Didn't get far because I couldn't figure out where to go.
Did you have the hint guide thing turned on in Options?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2010, 11:34:42 AM
I think I did I just couldn't find a way to progress.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 13, 2010, 09:58:21 PM
The reason I think Super Metroid is fantastic is the openness of the 2D world, and the subtle details in the game to give it character and atmosphere.
Super Metroid is full of small details that when you see them give you goosebumps. The world is gigantic and I have had truly emotional moments in that game which basically has no story, which proves that they succeeded in the atmosphere.
And this isn't nostalgia talking I didn't play the game when it first came out...but truly experienced first and beat it as a virtual console game.
Super Metroid was the perfect difficult, a truly amazing world, and a game that never forgets you are playing a game...but succeeds in being more than a game. Only two other 2D games are truly as special as Super Metroid and those are Zelda: Link to the Past, and Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: UncleBob on June 13, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
Should I sticky this topic, or no?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 13, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
If you are gonna keep this as a regular feature, then I think that would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Stratos on June 14, 2010, 04:26:11 AM
I don't see the need. The continuous discussion and changing polls will keep it at the top on it's own.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 14, 2010, 10:23:52 AM
Probably no need. to Sticky, but if you are going to keep it one thread only, it will probably need some maintenance like linking to where new game thread discussions start on the first link.
Honestly, I can see keeping on thread for like 3-5 game polls, then locking and moving on to another to keep threads from getting too big.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: Stratos on June 14, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
But mega threads are awesome! We need a heavy hitter to break into the top 10 most posted threads.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Voting Happens Now!
Post by: UncleBob on June 16, 2010, 01:03:06 AM
Super Metroid - 8 (53.3%) Metroid Prime - 4 (26.7%) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - 1 (6.7%) Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - 2 (13.3%)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: UncleBob on June 16, 2010, 01:06:17 AM
I actually figured this would happen. The 2D fans all pretty much agree that Super Metroid is the peak of Metroidy goodness. 3D fans can't agree on Prime 1 or 3.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: stevey on June 16, 2010, 01:07:58 AM
Prime 3 S-U-C-K-ED
Prime 2 > Prime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prime 3
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2010, 01:18:46 AM
Prime 3 is the only Prime I've played. I really need to go back and play the others on the Trilogy. And it's not just split votes that gave it to Super Metroid; it beat everything else combined, and rightfully so.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: Mop it up on June 16, 2010, 01:31:26 AM
Metroid Prime has the best atmosphere. Prime 3 is too mechanical.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 16, 2010, 06:03:41 AM
I actually figured this would happen. The 2D fans all pretty much agree that Super Metroid is the peak of Metroidy goodness. 3D fans can't agree on Prime 1 or 3.
Are we going to have a similar result as the Zelda poll.We shall see.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 16, 2010, 06:06:08 AM
Went with Metroid Prime. It is probably the best game on there now. Maybe Zero Mission.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 16, 2010, 08:52:12 AM
Super Metroid was a good game, but it doesn't even come close to being as good as the Prime games.
Prime 1 is best, then 3 (then Zero Mission).
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2010, 10:07:55 AM
I have to say I enjoyed Prime 3 better than Prime 2 or Prime 1.
Though, I will say I think Prime might be the best experience...I just didn't enjoy it much.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: Halbred on June 16, 2010, 01:49:47 PM
I went for Prime in the Number Two spot. It's the Game of the Decade, after all.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - SuperMetroid officially best Metroid game ever
Post by: UncleBob on June 18, 2010, 04:23:11 PM
Metroid II: Return of Samus - 1 (8.3%) Metroid: Zero Mission - 1 (8.3%) Metroid Prime - 8 (66.7%) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - 1 (8.3%) Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - 1 (8.3%)
Total Members Voted: 12
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2010, 05:16:22 PM
Now things are going to get interesting with the obvious 1 and 2 out of the way.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: broodwars on June 18, 2010, 05:25:59 PM
Well, my next vote is to Zero Mission, easily.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 18, 2010, 05:32:24 PM
Maybe, although Metroid Prime should have been first. Of the remaining games, the only ones I have never play are Metroid II: Return of Samus and Metroid Prime Pinball. I did play the horrible demo of Metroid Prime Hunters that came with early DS systems (Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt), and I heard the full game was just as bad. If I had to pick, I would go with Metroid Prime 3: Corruption next as it is easily the second best Metroid game (after the first Prime).
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 18, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
Metroid Prime Hunters was not a bad game, it was just a bad Metroid game. It was a pretty damn good multiplayer FPS, considering the limitations of the DS.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: Mop it up on June 18, 2010, 10:28:38 PM
It's a bit tough to choose, but I think I'll go with Metroid Prime 2.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 19, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
I can totally accept Prime being the second best Metroid game...not my pick but good.
I am still going with Zero Mission. Fantastic Art, great 2D game mechanics. Great story mechanics introduced to the game without losing some of the Metroid feel, that some people believe is lost in Fusion. All in all one of the best Metroid experiences you can have.
Also, I think Prime 2, was too difficult, and Corruption although great just isn't 3rd best game material.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: Stratos on June 19, 2010, 08:39:31 PM
I voted Fusion.
I hate Hunters. But that is more because I hate FPS controls on the DS. Face buttons =/= D-Pad.
I am stoked that the 3DS has a stick so I can actually enjoy them.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 19, 2010, 08:55:50 PM
I thought Hunters controlled beautifully with the thumb strap to aim; I'd take that over aiming with an analog stick any time.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: stevey on June 19, 2010, 09:06:09 PM
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I think Prime 2 was too difficult
Sure are a lot of casual nongamers in here, if you can't play the game, you shouldn't judge it.
Prime 1 was a great game and got me into Metroid (sadly it took a $4.99 new price tag for me to jump on it)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 19, 2010, 09:15:54 PM
Stevey, I got to the last boss, and thought it was just stupid hard and not fun.
Games should never feel like a chore.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 20, 2010, 06:54:16 PM
Looks like Prime 3 got 3rd in a close one.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 20, 2010, 11:26:31 PM
For the next round, I don't know if I will go with Metroid: Zero Mission or Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 2 is still a Prime number, right? Round 3 up!
Post by: UncleBob on June 21, 2010, 12:10:14 AM
Metroid II: Return of Samus - 2 (13.3%) Metroid: Fusion - 2 (13.3%) Metroid: Zero Mission - 4 (26.7%) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - 2 (13.3%) Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - 5 (33.3%)
Total Members Voted: 15
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 3rd in 3rd! Round 4 up!
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 21, 2010, 04:13:50 AM
Nice to see I wasn't the only one with love for Corruption after all. :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 3rd in 3rd! Round 4 up!
Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2010, 12:51:24 PM
I really enjoyed Corruption, just not as much as Zero Mission. No problems here with it being the next winner, though.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 3rd in 3rd! Round 4 up!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 21, 2010, 11:05:00 PM
Zero Mission. Echoes is easily the weakest of the Prime series...and does not deserve to be higher than some of the best 2D games around.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - 3rd in 3rd! Round 4 up!
Post by: UncleBob on June 25, 2010, 01:38:08 AM
You guys should remind me about this more often... ;)
Metroid II: Return of Samus - 1 (7.7%) Metroid: Fusion - 2 (15.4%) Metroid: Zero Mission - 5 (38.5%) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - 4 (30.8%) Metroid Prime Pinball - 1 (7.7%)
Total Members Voted: 13
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: Mop it up on June 25, 2010, 02:07:15 AM
Zero Mission is definitely just under Super Metroid for the 2D games. I enjoyed Fusion too, but I'm still going with Prime 2.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 25, 2010, 05:50:00 PM
Zero Mission was the best 2D Metroid in quality IMO. I have to go with Metroid Prime 2: Echoes now.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: broodwars on June 25, 2010, 05:54:58 PM
I have to go with the Pinball now. I can't stand Echoes, though not as much as I can't stand the original Metroid.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: Mop it up on June 25, 2010, 07:42:36 PM
I have to go with the Pinball now. I can't stand Echoes, though not as much as I can't stand the original Metroid.
Your thoughts on Fusion?
"Meh, it's ok." It's a lot of Super Metroid fanservice, and I don't care all that much for Super Metroid. I thought the SA-X was a cool idea, but it was just about the only thing I thought stood out with the game. Throw in the excessive amount of linearity for 99.9% of the game so you couldn't explore for secrets organically as you visited them (instead, you had one big cluster**** of it right at the end of the game), and it's just not a game I cared all that much for.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: Halbred on June 25, 2010, 08:54:28 PM
Apparently, my favorite Metroid games are not the majority's favorite Metroid Games.
Seriously? Echoes? Com'on, people!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: vudu on June 26, 2010, 07:27:47 PM
Hey Bob! I have a suggestion for the next poll--GCN launch games!!
All-Star Baseball 2002 Batman Vengeance Crazy Taxi Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2 Disney's Tarzan Untamed Luigi's Mansion Madden NFL 2002 NHL Hitz 20-02 Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader Super Monkey Ball Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 Wave Race: Blue Storm
Alternatively, you could go with just Nintendo-published GCN games released in 2001.
Luigi's Mansion Wave Race: Blue Storm Pikmin Super Smash Bros. Melee
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 26, 2010, 07:49:13 PM
I was planning to pretty much go with the Prime series after Super Metroid and Zero, however now that the Prime games I would have voted for already won, I went with Fushion. I believe it is an excellent game that really added to the Metroid experience. Some didn't like the less isolated feel, but I really enjoyed the nature progression of the story and how it felt like Metroid 4, and the changes incorporated to make it more accessible for portable gaming.
The only thing I didn't like was the Spider boss.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 27, 2010, 07:28:38 AM
Tie between Fusion and Echos.6 a piece.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: UncleBob on June 27, 2010, 01:11:36 PM
Metroid - 1 (6.3%) Metroid II: Return of Samus - 2 (12.5%) Metroid: Fusion - 6 (37.5%) Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - 6 (37.5%) Metroid Prime Pinball - 1 (6.3%)
Total Members Voted: 16 Runoff!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Zero not Zero! Round 5 up!
Post by: UncleBob on June 27, 2010, 01:12:38 PM
Normally, run offs run for 1 day - but since it's a Sunday, I set it to two days.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: Stratos on June 27, 2010, 06:42:55 PM
Go Fusion, Go Fusion, Go!
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 27, 2010, 06:49:20 PM
I went with Fusion since that's the one of the two that I've played.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: Mop it up on June 27, 2010, 06:53:54 PM
Tough choice actually... both are great! But I voted Echoes the first time, so I s'pose I should stick with that.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 27, 2010, 06:54:13 PM
Echos is the better of the two.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 27, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
Sorry Echoes, you are my next vote, but do not beat Fushion.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 27, 2010, 08:57:21 PM
I disagree...Echoes was a mess, and people are just upset because Fusion took Metroid in a different direction.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 27, 2010, 09:47:44 PM
Echoes wasn't a mess, it just made a couple of minor mistakes. I only played Fusion for an hour (I never owned the game, a friend let me borrow his copy during lunch). I will stick with MP2E.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: KDR_11k on June 28, 2010, 01:53:19 AM
Zero Mission is definitely just under Super Metroid for the 2D games.
Dunno, it really failed to grab me, I didn't like it much when I played it. Of course it's still better than the grindy Metroid 1 and the non-Metroid Fusion so it gets #2 by default but it's a distant #2.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 02, 2010, 08:16:54 AM
Echos won in a close one.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Run Off vote for 5th Place - Fusion vs. Echoes
Post by: UncleBob on July 02, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: vudu on July 02, 2010, 11:19:54 AM
What happened to Hunters?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: UncleBob on July 02, 2010, 11:37:52 AM
I *knew* I forgot one when I was resetting the poll.
Tiebreakers suck guys - don't make it happen again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 02, 2010, 03:28:50 PM
I haven't played Metroid Prime Pinball. Of the remaining games, I will go with Metroid Fusion.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: Mop it up on July 03, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
Time to vote Fusion. I don't really like Metroid or Metroid II, and I haven't played the other two games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 04, 2010, 08:34:12 PM
Fusion got first by a wide margin.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: Stratos on July 04, 2010, 09:25:54 PM
About time. Now to vote for Metroid 2 since that is the last one I have played (besides Hunters, which I will never vote for since I dislike it so much).
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 05, 2010, 08:22:27 PM
Are we getting a new poll Unclebob?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Echos in 5th. Vote for 6th!
Post by: UncleBob on July 06, 2010, 07:44:12 PM
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: UncleBob on July 06, 2010, 07:47:03 PM
The four options left are not surprising. Everyone hates the original Metroid. Everyone hates Hunters. No one considers Pinball a Metroid game (although it's super-fun).
I funny expect Return of Samus to (finally) win. I'd guess Pinball next. Interested in seeing which wins between Hunters and the original.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 06, 2010, 07:51:27 PM
The only one left I have played is Metroid (although I did play the Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt demo). I heard Metroid Prime Pinball is really fun.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: Mop it up on July 06, 2010, 08:33:32 PM
I haven't played the two DS ones. Both Metroid and Metroid II have aged terribly, but I'll vote for Metroid since it at least has colour.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 06, 2010, 09:23:02 PM
It's interesting how someone can say that "everyone hates the original Metroid", when if that were the case then all the sequels would not have been made. I understand that many people feel it hasn't aged well, but I for one appreciate the difficulty of the game.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 06, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
I think that is what he meant, everyone hates it NOW because it has aged terribly. I am sure it was well received at the time (I was 11 months old when it came out), but I would not recommend it to anyone now.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: Mop it up on July 06, 2010, 10:03:36 PM
I certainly wouldn't deny that Metroid was a revolutionary game. A game of that size and scope was practically unheard of at the time, plus it was the first game to use passwords. It was also one of the first games to star a female, even if it was intended to be a joke.
These days, the difficulty in the game feels artificial. Having to start at 30 energy every time and fill it back up is just tedious. A lack of a map makes backtracking confusing, especially because a lot of areas look the same. There's no explanation for the items you pick up, so you have to figure them out on your own (I had no idea what the boots item did, so I had to look it up on the Internet before I could continue).
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: Peachylala on July 07, 2010, 01:05:32 AM
I agree that both Metroid 1 and 2 are not good games. They are not terrible, just very flawed.
But Metroid 2 had those awesome Metroid designs and the Spider Ball. And that gave birth to the awesome Spider Ball in Metroid Prime, so... yeah.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 07, 2010, 08:20:39 AM
At this point I am voting for the black sheep Metroid Pinball.
Sure it is a strange spinoff game. But the original Metroid game is just bad. Hunters is alright, but not really a Metroid game, and isn't fun. So Metroid Pinball is fun...and zany.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 07, 2010, 01:30:56 PM
I voted for Hunters because, although it's Metroid in name only, it's a better game than any other remaining choice.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: broodwars on July 07, 2010, 01:34:40 PM
Going with the Pinball. It's IMO more of a Metroid game than Hunters was, and it's actually a competent game compared to the remaining games on this list.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 08, 2010, 11:10:45 PM
Wow Pinball beat Return of Samus by a narrow margin.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: Stratos on July 08, 2010, 11:12:57 PM
This reminds me that I want a pinball game. I was leaning towards either Alien Crush Returns on WiiWare or one of the Pokemon ones. I might consider this instead.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 08, 2010, 11:16:21 PM
Not surprisingly, I was the only one to vote for Hunters. I stand by my decision; it's a very good multiplayer shooter. "Very good" isn't a descriptor I'd use in reference to the original or Metroid II, and, while I'd use it for Pinball, pinball is, in my opinion, an inferior genre to shooters. I'll definitely be voting for Hunters again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 11, 2010, 11:35:04 PM
Are we going to see who wins the next poll UncleBob?
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: UncleBob on July 11, 2010, 11:42:23 PM
I really should do a better job keeping up with this...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Fusion for 6th. Best of a bad lot?
Post by: UncleBob on July 11, 2010, 11:42:49 PM
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Pinball in 7th. I, II and Hunters left to go..
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 12, 2010, 12:05:41 AM
I don't like Metroid, I only played the demo of Metroid Prime Hunters (which I hated), and i've never played Metroid II: Return of Samus. I don't know what I will pick, or if I will even vote with the remaining ones.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Pinball in 7th. I, II and Hunters left to go..
Post by: Mop it up on July 12, 2010, 01:32:29 AM
Still going with the original.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Pinball in 7th. I, II and Hunters left to go..
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 12, 2010, 07:08:40 AM
Metroid 2. It really took the original and started laying the ground work for what would be Super Metroid. It fixed most of the problems of the original...except for the lack of a map, but hey that is almost forgivable right? Nope, which is why it is coming in 3rd to last.
I am tempted to voting Hunters, because it really is a good FPS, but except for the multiplayer mode it was really lacking.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Pinball in 7th. I, II and Hunters left to go..
Post by: Halbred on July 13, 2010, 02:19:25 PM
Considering that Metroid Prime Hunters isn't so much "Metroid" as "Quake," I'm going with Metroid 2.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Pinball in 7th. I, II and Hunters left to go..
Post by: Mop it up on July 13, 2010, 06:12:18 PM
What issues did it fix, other than adding a save feature? It still has all the same problems plus makes some things even worse, like having even more indistinguishable environments.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Pinball in 7th. I, II and Hunters left to go..
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2010, 11:25:55 PM
I actually think the levels are more distinguishable, but there is also seeing where blocks have blown up so you can move. I think Metroid 2 is a better game than the first...but not great.
You helped me decide the next vote though. Next I am going with Hunters. Metroid deserves to be last.
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Pinball in 7th. I, II and Hunters left to go..
Post by: UncleBob on July 14, 2010, 11:49:10 PM
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Samus returned in 8th. LAST ROUND VOTING NOW!
Post by: UncleBob on July 14, 2010, 11:53:41 PM
I think this is going to be the most interesting poll of all for Round: Metroid.
If it didn't take so long to do these, I'd almost like to run one backwards - vote a game off the island type of thing. It'd be interesting to do it forwards, then backwards - to compare the results...
Title: Re: Series Series - Poll 2: Metroid - Samus returned in 8th. LAST ROUND VOTING NOW!
Post by: broodwars on July 14, 2010, 11:55:47 PM
Definitely the original Metroid for me this last time, because although it is an awful game it is at least a Metroid game. Hunters is both awful and more Doom than Metroid.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 15, 2010, 12:04:43 AM
To me, this final is like asking which turd pile I like more. The original game is not terrible, but there are just so many flaws with it to be enjoyable now (no map, most rooms looking the same, hard controls, etc.). I just hated everything about Hunters.
I went with the original, but only because i've played more of it.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 15, 2010, 12:13:31 AM
You helped me decide the next vote though. Next I am going with Hunters. Metroid deserves to be last.
Spite voting never solves anything. :P
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 15, 2010, 12:17:29 AM
Going to vote for Metroid. Another thing you guys have got to keep in mind is that Metroid was released on the NES so there is hardware limitations.Also I liked the different passwords that were in the game. It had lots of different effects in the game.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 15, 2010, 01:59:22 AM
You helped me decide the next vote though. Next I am going with Hunters. Metroid deserves to be last.
Don't worry I'm with you. The original Metroid game should be considered a war crime by how bad it is. It was terrible 20 years ago, it's still terrible now. Hunters might not be the greatest thing in the world but at least it's playable, which is more then I can say for the original Metroid.
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Post by: Stratos on July 15, 2010, 04:28:04 AM
You helped me decide the next vote though. Next I am going with Hunters. Metroid deserves to be last.
Don't worry I'm with you. The original Metroid game should be considered a war crime by how bad it is. It was terrible 20 years ago, it's still terrible now. Hunters might not be the greatest thing in the world but at least it's playable, which is more then I can say for the original Metroid.
Tell that to us lefties. And don't you dare say that the face buttons make a great substitute d-pad because they suck as one.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 15, 2010, 10:33:34 AM
Metroid is a game that is just cruel to play. You had to memorize paths and map out the entire game basically, and record where you are going and where you have been...that should never be in a video game.
But add to that the frustration of having secret areas that must be bombed to find, but there is no visual clue to bombing the area or that the area had been bombed. It gets even worse.
Then at the end of the game you will have to race time back to your ship before every thing blows up. Yip sounds like a great design.
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Post by: Halbred on July 15, 2010, 02:08:16 PM
Metroid > Metroid Hunters
I'm going to suggest the Castlevania series for the next poll.
Castlevania Castlevania 2 Castlevania 3 Castlevania Adenture Belmont's Revenge Castlevania Legends Castlevania Bloodlines Super Castlevania IV Castlevania 64 Legacy of Darkness Dracula X Rondo of Blood Symphony of the Night (not on a Nintendo system, but still worth mentioning) Circle of the Moon Lament of Innocence Aria of Sorrow Dawn of Sorrow Portrait of Ruin Ecclesia Castlevania: Judgement Castlevania ReBirth
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 16, 2010, 03:51:22 AM
Hmm Castlevania.It could be a good one to nominate.I have only played two Castlevania games.Castlevania 3 and Aria of Sorrow.
I would nominate the Mario kart series for the next poll.
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Post by: Sundoulos on July 16, 2010, 09:57:04 AM
Wow. All this lack of love for the original Metroid breaks my heart. Sure in many ways, it doesn't hold up, but not many early NES games do.
I still remember going over to a friend's house who got them game when it came out; when I realized the depth of this game, my mind was blown; of course, I was a pretty young kid at the time. Being raised I had never seen anything like it.
My parents hated that game, though. When I got my own NES and started playing at home, they were annoyed by the repetitive music. And, they kept asking me questions about it. Parents: "Why is that guy running around naked?" Me: "He's NOT naked!"
I guess they thought the yellow was more of a flesh tone? I didn't know at the time that Samus was a woman. I don't know that particular revelation would have gone over well, anyway.
Castlevania sounds great!
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Post by: Mop it up on July 16, 2010, 06:29:31 PM
The original Metroid game should be considered a war crime by how bad it is. It was terrible 20 years ago, it's still terrible now. Hunters might not be the greatest thing in the world but at least it's playable, which is more then I can say for the original Metroid.
Now you're just spewing blasphemy. Show a little respect. If Metroid was never created, we never wouldn't have gotten all its awesome sequels.
Metroid is a game that is just cruel to play. You had to memorize paths and map out the entire game basically, and record where you are going and where you have been...that should never be in a video game.
But add to that the frustration of having secret areas that must be bombed to find, but there is no visual clue to bombing the area or that the area had been bombed. It gets even worse.
Then at the end of the game you will have to race time back to your ship before every thing blows up. Yip sounds like a great design.
You just described every NES game that isn't Zelda (it at least had a map). A lot of NES games had that kind of design so it isn't fair to single out Metroid.
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Post by: King of Twitch on July 16, 2010, 06:42:07 PM
So why did Metroid both get a pass and get so many greater sequels despite a rocky start? Why do other disliked NES games stay lost in obscurity? Now there's a PB SPECIAL SERIES
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Post by: Luigi Dude on July 16, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
Now you're just spewing blasphemy. Show a little respect. If Metroid was never created, we never wouldn't have gotten all its awesome sequels.
Just because the later Metroid games were amazing doesn't make the original any less horrible. I don't rate games based on what eventually came out of them, I rate them based on my actual enjoyment of them. The original Metroid gives me no enjoyment at all and the fact that it's the game that eventually gave birth to Super Metroid doesn't change that. It actually just makes me ask myself why I'm playing the terrible original Metroid when I could be playing the amazing Super Metroid and then I stop playing it and play Super instead.
So why did Metroid both get a pass and get so many greater sequels despite a rocky start? Why do other disliked NES games stay lost in obscurity? Now there's a PB SPECIAL SERIES
Probably because the original Metroid sold better then a lot of the other disliked NES games.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 16, 2010, 07:26:31 PM
Just because the later Metroid games were amazing doesn't make the original any less horrible. I don't rate games based on what eventually came out of them, I rate them based on my actual enjoyment of them. The original Metroid gives me no enjoyment at all and the fact that it's the game that eventually gave birth to Super Metroid doesn't change that. It actually just makes me ask myself why I'm playing the terrible original Metroid when I could be playing the amazing Super Metroid and then I stop playing it and play Super instead.
I understand all of that, and feel similarly. But I feel it still deserves some respect for advancing gaming.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 17, 2010, 10:43:52 PM
Looks like Metroid beat Hunters.
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Post by: vudu on July 18, 2010, 09:57:02 AM
I'm introducing my own one-off poll. Just for fun. ;)
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Post by: Peachylala on July 18, 2010, 11:10:18 AM
Hunters is not a good game, but seriously, it got beaten by the first Metroid? What the frack?
At least Hunters is a tiny bit compatible as a DS FPS (Read: DS). Other then that, it's a giant 'meh'.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 18, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
I only played the First Hunt demo that came with the DS, but it was so bad that it killed any interest I had in the game.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 18, 2010, 05:19:48 PM
Hunters is a very good DS FPS. It's also notable for being the first Nintendo game to include voice chat. I believe the game would be a lot more popular if it weren't called Metroid, and instead were a new Nintendo IP.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 18, 2010, 07:56:23 PM
I only started caring about the Metroid Prime series with Trilogy and got my first DS with the Lite, so I didn't even get the demo.
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Post by: Stratos on July 19, 2010, 04:30:04 AM
I picked up Hunters at a Toys R Us Buy2Get1Free sale. Very disappointed in it.
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Post by: Halbred on July 19, 2010, 02:12:47 PM
Vudu, you'll have to post the Metroid poll results, from #1 on down, in summary when all's said and done.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 19, 2010, 07:45:56 PM
I've never played Hunters since I have no DS.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 19, 2010, 08:08:43 PM
Vudu, you'll have to post the Metroid poll results, from #1 on down, in summary when all's said and done.
??? Like, the winning games, or the full polls? The first post is edited to list the winning games in order...
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Post by: Halbred on July 19, 2010, 08:43:15 PM
Ah, didn't see that.
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Post by: Peachylala on July 19, 2010, 09:53:35 PM
Completely agree with the first place entry. There is no other substitute for 2-D perfection except SMB3/NSMBWii/DKC2.
So what the next series poll going to be again? Castlevania? Mario? Mario Kart/Spin-Offs?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 19, 2010, 09:59:23 PM
If you only played the single player version of the game I understand being disappointed in it...it was horrible. Playing against people made it more fun, but still not perfect...fun and enjoyable, but not great...still better than the first Metroid though.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2010, 10:01:59 PM
I still disagree with it. Metroid Prime, IMO, is easily the best Metroid game ever.
Well, as this poll showed, you are in the minority on that.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 20, 2010, 12:04:12 AM
SM only barely won, and I bet a large part of that is just nostalgia (the same way people think Perfect Dark is still a good game, not remembering the horrible framerate in multiplayer).
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 20, 2010, 12:09:59 AM
I'd bet a lot of the people who voted for Super Metroid played it recently on the VC, so it's not all nostalgia; as I said at the time, I don't have any nostalgia for it because the VC was my first experience with it, and I still voted for it. Also, Perfect Dark on XBLA holds up very well, which proves that the original was a good game despite the frame rate.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 20, 2010, 09:51:06 AM
PD on XBLA is not a strict port. They made a lot of improvements, with the framerate being one of the biggest.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 20, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Yes, there was framerate issues in Perfect Dark, but it was still fun. Does it hold up? I would rather pull out my Nintendo 64 and play Perfect Dark than some of the modern day shooters...even the multiplayer.
I liked the feel of the multiplayer mode, the controls, and aiming...and I didn't care about the frame rate issues, which could be improved, by limiting the number of bots, or playing with only friends.
As for Super Metroid, when that hit virtual console I immediately played through and beat the entire game...which I had never done on the SNES. I was blown away by the level design and mood and atmosphere in the 2D game design. Things that are sometimes not even done in this generation of games that really made you feel like you were in a living world. The same is special...and is one of the best games ever created.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 21, 2010, 01:03:20 AM
I first played Super Metroid sometime during the mid 2000's, I forget exactly when. It was around the time I first played Metroid Prime, which I didn't buy until it was cheap since at that point I was barely familiar with the Metroid series. I can't remember which I played first though...
My point is, I played it well past its time and I still recognized its greatness.
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Post by: vudu on July 21, 2010, 01:41:12 PM
The results are in:
Have you played Metroid Prime: Hunters?
No 4 (22.2%) Yes, the retail release 9 (50%) Yes, but only the demo 5 (27.8%)
Total Members Voted: 18
I'm surprised that 50% of you have played the retail release of Hunters; I honestly thought it would be lower.
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Post by: Halbred on July 21, 2010, 01:41:41 PM
Good, now get with the Castlevania!
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Post by: Stratos on July 24, 2010, 07:49:13 AM
No! Mario Kart! ;)
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Post by: UncleBob on July 24, 2010, 09:10:21 AM
Any other suggestions/requests?
Castlevania scares me, because that one will take about two months. Throw up some requests and I'll create another poll for round three.
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Post by: Shaymin on July 24, 2010, 10:28:16 AM
Mega Man (1-10)?
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Post by: vudu on July 24, 2010, 10:41:17 AM
Hey Bob! I have a suggestion for the next poll--GCN launch games!!
All-Star Baseball 2002 Batman Vengeance Crazy Taxi Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2 Disney's Tarzan Untamed Luigi's Mansion Madden NFL 2002 NHL Hitz 20-02 Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader Super Monkey Ball Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 Wave Race: Blue Storm
Alternatively, you could go with just Nintendo-published GCN games released in 2001.
Luigi's Mansion Wave Race: Blue Storm Pikmin Super Smash Bros. Melee
I still like this idea.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 24, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
I like the idea of doing a poll based on a systems launch games.
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Post by: broodwars on July 24, 2010, 12:42:25 PM
How about a poll on best Donkey Kong games, in honor of the upcoming Retro Studios DK Country game?
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Post by: vudu on July 24, 2010, 03:19:35 PM
I am not sure how practical this would be. Even just counting the original Mega Man (meaning no Mega Man X, Mega Man Network Transmission, etc.), there have been 18 games on Nintendo systems. Add in all Mega Mega series and that number goes up to 52 (not counting compilations), that means the poll would be going on for the next 3 1/2 months (52 entries at 2 days for each round = 102 days).
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Post by: Shaymin on July 24, 2010, 10:42:11 PM
That's why I suggested 1-10. Letting the whole series in would have us on the same poll until the end of the decade.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on July 25, 2010, 06:39:37 AM
I vote Mega Man 1-10 the original series. Or if you like I would even say doing only the NES Mega Man games plus 9 and 10...and then another for the SNES 16 Bit Mega Mans ect.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 25, 2010, 11:23:50 AM
I guess that is possible, Mega Man 8 is technically on a Nintendo system since it was on Mega Man Anniversary Collection for GameCube (the original release was only on PlayStation and Saturn).
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Post by: UncleBob on July 25, 2010, 11:56:54 AM
Mega Man Castlevania Donkey Kong GCN Launch Titles Mario Kart
Any other suggestions?
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Post by: TheBlackCat on July 25, 2010, 12:29:23 PM
A few other possibilities:
RPG Mario (including Paper Mario and the portable games like Bowser's Inside Story) Non-Mario Mario games (Yoshi games, Super Princess Peach, Lugi's Mansion, Mario is Missing, etc) Pinball (mario pinball, kirby pinball, metroid pinball, etc) Art Style Kirby (traditional games, not puzzle or racing games)
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Post by: Shaymin on July 25, 2010, 05:20:19 PM
Why do I suspect the hand of Jones in this poll now?
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Post by: Stratos on July 26, 2010, 04:44:19 AM
"Keeping up with the Joneses" has never been easier! Just follow the rampant shenanigans and you've found him.
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Post by: Halbred on July 26, 2010, 02:48:46 PM
Games Involving Dinosaurs
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Post by: TheBlackCat on July 26, 2010, 10:06:17 PM
Yoshi isn't even a dinosaur. He's a dragon. Or, even more technically, he's a Yoshi. :P
From the Super Mario World instruction manual:
Quote
Suddenly the egg hatched, and out popped a young dinosaur named YOSHI, who proceeded to tell Mario and Luigi a sad tale of how his dinosaur pals who were sealed in similar eggs by a group of monstrous turtles.
What game says Yoshi is the name of his species? Yoshi is the character's name.
The Yoshi's Island instruction manual refers to "Yoshies" as plural, saying there are "lots of different Yoshies".
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Post by: Mop it up on July 28, 2010, 12:47:32 AM
That's the US manual. In Japan, Yoshi is and has always been a dragon. I'm guessing that Nintendo of America felt that "dinosaur" sounded a little more friendly than "dragon"?
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Post by: broodwars on July 28, 2010, 01:02:54 AM
I'm invoking the Pokemon rule: he's obsessed with constantly saying his own name, so logically that must be the name of his species. :P:
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Post by: Mop it up on July 28, 2010, 01:09:11 AM
So Wario is of the species called Wario? :P
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Post by: UncleBob on July 28, 2010, 09:49:22 AM
Wario... hmmm... Next time 'round, WarioWare series gets an entry into the poll.
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Post by: broodwars on July 28, 2010, 10:39:15 AM
I assume the Yoshi situation is similar to Toad. "Toad" is both the name of the species and the name of a specific character (so the assistant to Peach is a Toad named Toad).
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Post by: Stratos on July 28, 2010, 11:31:53 AM
Toads parents must have been lacking in the creativity department when he was born.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2010, 11:36:30 AM
My thoughts exactly, it would be like parents naming their kid "Human".
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Post by: UncleBob on July 28, 2010, 12:11:28 PM
Maybe Toad isn't really his name, it's his nick-name. Perhaps it's even slightly derogatory, denoting the Toad-Race's place as subservient to Humans. It'd be like if aliens had captured you and turned you into a slave. "Human, get over here and polish my spikes!"
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on July 28, 2010, 12:35:17 PM
That's the US manual. In Japan, Yoshi is and has always been a dragon. I'm guessing that Nintendo of America felt that "dinosaur" sounded a little more friendly than "dragon"?
I'm no Japanese expert, but my understanding is that the Japanese word for dinosaur (kyōryū) means "frightful dragon." It seems to cause a lot of confusion.
The English word's origin is similar, essentially based on the Latin for "frightful lizard" instead. I bet that if we actually spoke Latin, we'd probably have a big(ger) problem with people attributing lizard characteristics to dinosaurs, too.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 28, 2010, 12:57:26 PM
It doesn't help that the coins with Yoshi's face on them are called "Dragon Coins" in the US manual. (Plus there's the "Super Dragon" final smash in Brawl).
Let's just say that all dragons are dinosaurs and call it a day. (Waits for Halbred's head to explode.)
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Post by: Stratos on July 28, 2010, 02:16:51 PM
If Mario Kart wins we should throw in Diddy Kong Racing. It's always felt like a cousin game to the series.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2010, 02:39:40 PM
If Mario Kart wins (I voted for Mario RPG's and GCN launch games), would the Mario Kart Arcade GP games be included? Barely anyone has been able to play the first one due to a combination of so few arcades left and a lot of those didn't buy the game, the second one didn't even get released outside of Japan.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 28, 2010, 06:06:30 PM
Which game says that "Toad" is the name of the species? "Toad" and "Yoshi" are both always capitalized, so I always just assume it's a proper name and not a specie name.
As for if Mario Kart wins the poll, I don't think the arcade games should be included on the basis that very few people have played them, and I think we all know they would place last due to that.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 28, 2010, 06:10:44 PM
I went with Megaman and the Mario RPGs because both are I feel can have lots to talk about. Also there is generally lots of compitition between the games within the series.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2010, 06:27:32 PM
Which game says that "Toad" is the name of the species? "Toad" and "Yoshi" are both always capitalized, so I always just assume it's a proper name and not a specie name.
Without doing too much checking, I found an example. Here is his profile from Mario Superstar Baseball:
"Princess Peach's subject. Though he tries to protect the princess from the evil Bowser, she gets kidnapped with disturbing regularity. There are many Toads who look just alike, and though they are generally small and look cute, they are actually quite powerful."
If I were to check more, I am sure I could find it. The Yoshi one is even easier, just take a look at Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story, where all of the Yoshi are called Yoshi.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 28, 2010, 06:36:14 PM
I think it's up for interpretation. Just because the name is pluralized doesn't mean it's the specie name. They're all named Yoshi so they're all called Yoshi. In Super Smash Brothers Melee, there's an event match where you fight "128 tiny Marios." Each one is still Mario, correct? "Mario" isn't a specie. It's the same kind of thing for Toad and Yoshi, I believe.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2010, 07:07:32 PM
Except that SSB is basically non-canon, especially the challenge events. The evidence we have suggests that the species are Toad and Yoshi. Maybe the fact that every other member of their species has names in the RPG's could mean that the "Toad" and "Yoshi" we know are just generic ones, similar to how you can play as a random Goomba or random Koopa Troopa in games.
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Post by: TheBlackCat on July 28, 2010, 07:15:17 PM
Toads parents must have been lacking in the creativity department when he was born.
They weren't the only ones. "Mario Mario"?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2010, 07:25:40 PM
It's not limited to just video games. Fans of The Simpsons will know that two of Homer's friends/co-workers are Carl Carlson and Lenny Leonard. People do this in real life too, I have seen people named Jack Jackson, John Johnson, etc., don't forget that boxer George Foreman named all six of his sons after him (George Foremen, Jr., George Foreman II, George Foreman III, etc.) and even named his daughter Georgia.
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Post by: Stratos on July 28, 2010, 07:31:17 PM
I've played the first arcade game several times. I say include that one but not the second since there was no stateside release.
It would be interesting to see if enough people played/liked it enough to pass any of the other Mario Kart titles. There seems to be enough division between SNES and GBA Kart lovers and haters that the acrade title could sneak in somewhere along the line.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2010, 07:48:03 PM
I am not so sure, I would be surprised if that many people here have gotten to play it. I know I could never vote for it since the only arcade within 100 miles of me (which has since closed) never had it or F-Zero AX.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 28, 2010, 08:44:35 PM
Except that SSB is basically non-canon, especially the challenge events. The evidence we have suggests that the species are Toad and Yoshi. Maybe the fact that every other member of their species has names in the RPG's could mean that the "Toad" and "Yoshi" we know are just generic ones, similar to how you can play as a random Goomba or random Koopa Troopa in games.
The Mario series doesn't really have a continuing story so I don't think there is a canon. The SSB thing isn't the best example but it's a difficult concept for me to explain, so I went with it. I s'pose you could say Toad and Yoshi are generic in a way, as they are simultaneously an individual and a representative of every member of their group. I know, that doesn't make sense, but it's fantasy. It doesn't have to make sense.
Isn't the movie the only thing that says Mario's last name is Mario?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2010, 09:02:15 PM
There is the fact that Mario and Luigi are the Mario Brothers. Strangely though Nintendo apparently says that they don't have last names. Mario Mario and Luigi Mario are fine though.
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Post by: Mop it up on July 28, 2010, 09:13:32 PM
I have always assumed it's a Japanese thing to refer to two or more brothers by just the first name of one of them. I'm probably wrong about that though.
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Post by: King of Twitch on July 28, 2010, 09:31:02 PM
WILSON WILSON. Must be an early 90's thing.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 02, 2010, 12:28:05 AM
Mega Man (in some form) - 6 (20.7%) Castlevania (in some form) - 1 (3.4%) Mario Kart - 8 (27.6%) Donkey Kong - 3 (10.3%) GCN Launch Titles - 4 (13.8%) RPG Mario Titles - 6 (20.7%) Kirby Series - 1 (3.4%)
Total Members Voted: 17
Yay! Mario Kart wins! Yee-haw!
And, great news... I discovered today that Mario Kart GP 2 was, in fact, released in the US. Even played it! I have plans on how to handle this for the poll... which I'll start in the next day or two... (sooo tired....). Meanwhile, enjoy this temporary poll!
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Post by: Halbred on August 02, 2010, 01:21:38 AM
He's both because you collect Dragon Coins, which have Yoshi's smilin' face on 'em, but he's often referred to as a Dinosaur.
But he can grow wings and fly, which clearly puts him further into the Dragon camp. Also, the fire-breathing.
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Post by: nickmitch on August 02, 2010, 03:38:04 AM
He's a dinosaur with dragon-like powers. Thusly making a new species dubbed "Yoshi."
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 02, 2010, 09:49:28 AM
The games state that the species is called Yoshi. It may be based on both dragons and dinosaurs, but is its own unique species (before anyone says they call it one or the other, remember that Pokemon games do things like call Pidgey a tiny bird Pokemon while the species is Pidgey).
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Post by: Caterkiller on August 02, 2010, 03:51:39 PM
The question should have been, "what is on Yoshi's back? Saddle or Shell? Obvious answer being a shell.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 02, 2010, 04:14:56 PM
Is Mario a species other than human because he has special powers? Or is that just something we overlook for the sake of gameplay? If we're willing to overlook that, then why the hangup on Yoshi?
Also, "Dinosaur" isn't a species. Triceratops and Utahraptor don't look much alike, but they're both dinosaurs.
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Post by: Halbred on August 02, 2010, 04:31:23 PM
Yeah, it's clearly a shell. He hatches with it, for pete's sake.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 02, 2010, 05:01:52 PM
The games have made explicitly said that Mario is human, and that "Yoshi" is a species. Also, Mario himself has no special powers, it's the items that give him powers.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 02, 2010, 06:07:49 PM
It doesn't help that the coins with Yoshi's face on them are called "Dragon Coins" in the US manual. (Plus there's the "Super Dragon" final smash in Brawl).
In the Japanese version of Super Mario World, Yoshi signs the message at his house as "Super Dragon Yoshi" (http://themushroomkingdom.net/images/j-e/smw_yh_jp.png)
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 02, 2010, 06:34:20 PM
The games have made explicitly said that Mario is human, and that "Yoshi" is a species. Also, Mario himself has no special powers, it's the items that give him powers.
Yoshi's dragon-like powers are granted by items, too. Thanks for missing the point.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 02, 2010, 06:58:09 PM
The games have made explicitly said that "Yoshi" is a species.
Show me a game which specifically puts the words "Yoshi" and "species" into one sentence, and maybe I will believe it.
Maybe not those exact words ("species"), but the wording makes it clear that anyone with common sense will see that the species is Yoshi. Some examples:
*All of the Mario Super Sluggers profiles (there are 5 Yoshis in it) say something like "A speedy Yoshi with all-around skills." *His Super Smash Bros. Melee Classic profile says: "Yoshi's are gentle, fleet-of-foot dinosaurs that make their home on idyllic Yoshi's Island." *His profile on Mario Superstar Baseball includes: "Yoshi's use their tongues to eat anything and everything. It is said that Yoshi's can turn anything they swallow into eggs."
There is also the fact that many games use multiple Yoshis (i.e. Red Yoshi, Blue Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi).
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Post by: Mop it up on August 02, 2010, 07:28:25 PM
If it doesn't specifically say that Yoshi is a species, it isn't explicit, it is indicative. Anyone who lives in an individualistic society (read: America) will want to interpret Yoshi as being a species, and there being a "main" green Yoshi named "Yoshi," in order to make him feel more like a unique character.
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 02, 2010, 11:44:31 PM
If he was a dragon, he would have leathery wings, but he has feathered wings, hence he is a dinosaur (since only dinosaurs have feathers). He also lays eggs shaped like bird eggs, which also indicates he is a dinosaur. Plus his two-legged stance with legs directly under his body and smaller forelimbs useful only for grasping (at most) is characteristic of therapod dinosaurs, while most dragons you see walk on all fours (although they might be able to use their front limbs for grasping on occasion, there front and rear legs are much closer in size).
Also, if Yoshi lays eggs, doesn't that mean he's actually a she? All yoshis seem to lay eggs, so they must either be asexual (which means yoshi is a she) or hermaphrodites (which means yoshi is really both). We can't tell which because we never actually see Yoshi lay an egg with another yoshi in it as far as I am aware.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 03, 2010, 12:01:38 AM
Personally I think Yoshi is a hermaphrodite (and I can't help but think Birdo is too).
But, if Yoshi's eggs don't hatch a Yoshi, are we sure they are eggs? I mean, Yoshi has the ability to turn anything he swallows into an egg, so could they perhaps be egg-shaped feces of some sort?
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Post by: Stratos on August 03, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Maybe "Yoshi" is the female and "Birdo" is the male? (a very confused male, but still a male) ;)
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 03, 2010, 04:31:19 PM
But, if Yoshi's eggs don't hatch a Yoshi, are we sure they are eggs? I mean, Yoshi has the ability to turn anything he swallows into an egg, so could they perhaps be egg-shaped feces of some sort?
Feces doesn't usually have a shell. Also, they look identical to the eggs that do hatch yoshis. Also, I am not sure yoshi is so much "turning" it into an egg, it might be more like eating the enemy then using the nutrients to build an egg (birds do need to eat a lot before laying eggs). There is also the fact that the input and output size rarely matches up.
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 03, 2010, 04:50:41 PM
I have questions. What kind of intestinal system could the Yoshi's have that can propel the eggs at such a speed and distance, and with such accuracy? Are there any similar features in real-life dinosaurs? Was it originally a defense mechanism? Or did Mario, (like Olimar with the Pikmin) later show the Yoshi's how to use them offensively against predators? Or is it a spring-loaded mechanism that Doctor Mario implants into the backside of every Yoshi? Why would Mario make such a device? Why not just make a gun? Could Bowser use that for evil in the next Super Mario RPG? Could they port Super Mario RPG to 3DS? How could animals that size grab the nutrients so quickly before passing it along as an egg? Or is it a separate digestive system altogether, like a separate gizzard?
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Post by: Mop it up on August 03, 2010, 06:31:12 PM
Feces doesn't usually have a shell. Also, they look identical to the eggs that do hatch yoshis. Also, I am not sure yoshi is so much "turning" it into an egg, it might be more like eating the enemy then using the nutrients to build an egg (birds do need to eat a lot before laying eggs). There is also the fact that the input and output size rarely matches up.
The feces could be egg-shaped, in both appearance and composition, as a way to protect a Yoshi's real eggs. How many predictors would dare to eat Yoshi eggs after they sample one and it tastes like poo? And it would be likely that the feces of both males and females look like eggs, which would explain the male Yoshi "laying" eggs. Yoshi has the ability to encase things or creatures into eggs though, so the shell could be composed of... something the Yoshi can create.
Maybe "Yoshi" is the female and "Birdo" is the male? (a very confused male, but still a male) ;)
So you think they are both of the same species? Or they're different species, but every Yoshi is female and every Birdo is male, so they go together? I've wondered the same thing before, but that's overthinking it. And it's fantasy so it's probably best to not overthink it.
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 03, 2010, 06:42:33 PM
I have questions. What kind of intestinal system could the Yoshi's have that can propel the eggs at such a speed and distance, and with such accuracy?
First, eggs are not formed in the intestinal system, they are formed in the reproductive system. Second, Yoshi does not propel the eggs out of anything, he throws them.
Could Bowser use that for evil in the next Super Mario RPG?
I don't think Bowser is quite that smart. The best he seems to be able to come up with is a flying smiley face (don't even get me started in the physics of that thing).
How could animals that size grab the nutrients so quickly before passing it along as an egg? Or is it a separate digestive system altogether, like a separate gizzard?
A gizzard doesn't really do much digestion, it is more from crushing and grinding stuff, especially for animals that lack teeth (a category which Yoshi may fall into).
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 03, 2010, 06:45:02 PM
Yoshi has the ability to encase things or creatures into eggs though, so the shell could be composed of... something the Yoshi can create.
I don't recall him doing this outside of smash bros, and that was a change necessary for the sake of balance (you can't have Yoshi or Kirby instantly kill anyone they eat like they do in their own games). Do you have any examples from a real Mario or Yoshi game?
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Post by: Mop it up on August 03, 2010, 08:11:12 PM
I'm not sure, I don't really play Yoshi games. But since the Mario series has no continuity, I take everything into consideration and not just the "real" ones. The real ones to me are the spin-offs, since they delve deeper into the universe than the platformers.
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Post by: King of Twitch on August 03, 2010, 08:56:25 PM
Thanks TheBlackCat you rule.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 04, 2010, 09:52:54 AM
Yoshi: Dragon, Dinosaur, or something else...
Dragon - 5 (26.3%) Dinosaur - 3 (15.8%) Both - 3 (15.8%) Neither, he's a Yoshi. - 8 (42.1%) Neither, something else (leave a comment) - 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 19
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Fight!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 04, 2010, 10:00:56 AM
I have to go with Mario Kart DS, although Mario Kart Wii is not far behind.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Fight!
Post by: vudu on August 04, 2010, 02:21:56 PM
Tough call, really. My personal favorites are 64 and Wii, but that's mostly because I had people to play those games with on a regular basis.
So much of Mario Kart is dependent on the multi-player so you don't get the full experience by yourself. I played battle mode on MK64 for hours; and while I sunk a lot of time into the GP mode of Wii, I didn't play the battle mode for more than a couple hours at most.
I'm going to have to vote Wii just because it's the freshest in my mind.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 04, 2010, 03:09:29 PM
I'm going with Super Mario Kart because it is the most enjoyable to me. It had lots of shortcuts. The item selection was great. the multiplayer was fun.
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Post by: Caterkiller on August 04, 2010, 04:27:46 PM
Mario Kart DS! If not for evil snakes I might be playing it right now. I might say wii but I still need to get it back form my brother.
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Post by: Stratos on August 04, 2010, 07:34:29 PM
I still don't see the issue of snaking. But then again, maybe I snake myself and don't realize it so that is why it's not a problem for me. I am power slide happy in the MK games.
I'm torn between the DS and N64 ones for #1.
Though I would rank the Wii and GC ones in a sure 3rd and 4th respectively.
Then it gets tricky for me. I loved SNES Kart back in the day. My sister, dad and myself would play that one for hours. But it is just so unplayable for me now-a-days. I might go for MK GP instead since I found that to be a solid and enjoyable release. A pity the two arcade games never came to consoles. Maybe once MKWii sales drop they could release the two arcade games at a budget price with motion controls added in? Kinda like a NPC thing. The arcade game does give me a vibe of MK DS though. Probably because of how it brought back single kart racing.
I never played the GBA one outside of once or twice at a demo kiosk so it is automatically last because I didn't like what I played of it. I'll vote for Arcade GP2 over it because it is probably at least as decent as the first one.
At the end of this series poll you should do a quick poll asking us where we would place Diddy Kong Racing on the final list. I'd probably place it in 4th myself from my current list.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 04, 2010, 09:47:56 PM
I fully expect Mario Kart 64 to come in first. Anything less would be a travesty.
I like the idea of taking the two arcade games and releasing them as budget titles on the Wii. I'd go a step further, release them (together) at full price and include the Wii Gas/Break Pedal accessory. :)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 04, 2010, 10:12:18 PM
I went with DS, and it wasn't close. I think the reason I love it as much as I do is that I've spent a lot of time with it in local multiplayer. It's just so great that way. Also, great memories of getting to the semifinals of the Mario Kart DS tournament at PAX, but I'd have said DS before that.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 04, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
Having gone back and played it, most of the levels in MK64 are not that good (although Moo Moo Farm is still one of my favorite levels in the series). Multiplayer in battle mode is not even worth it unless you have four players since the stages are so large that you could potentially not even contact the other player.
Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game. It is just that the future MK's improved on all of the faults of the N64 version.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 04, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
Battle Mode in MKDS was fantastic. Basically the same thing as MK64, but with 8 players instead of 4, and if you didn't have that many you can use CPU bots.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 04, 2010, 10:46:14 PM
That was what I loved about MKDS, it finally added bots so that you could play battle mode even if there was no one else to play with.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 04, 2010, 11:27:04 PM
Mario Kart Wii by far. It's about the only one I like, actually, because it finally improved what I felt were terrible controls, among fixing/changing other aspects to my liking. It's my favourite Wii game, though that doesn't mean I think it isn't without issues. I'll be the first to point out its problems, such as a lack of balance in vehicles and items; a few poorly designed tracks that are decided by luck; lack of options, especially for the battle mode; and ugly graphics in some places, most notably the character models. Some of these are flaws with the entire series though, so MKWii isn't to be singled out. But it is truly one game that's better than the sum of its parts.
I like the idea of taking the two arcade games and releasing them as budget titles on the Wii. I'd go a step further, release them (together) at full price and include the Wii Gas/Break Pedal accessory. :)
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised they haven't seen a console release of some kind. The games are already made and I doubt it would cost much to convert them, so even if they didn't sell very well they'd probably bring in some profit. They probably are too large data-wise to appear on the Arcade section of the VC, unfortunately.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 05, 2010, 01:22:13 PM
Having gone back and played it, most of the levels in MK64 are not that good (although Moo Moo Farm is still one of my favorite levels in the series).
Moo Moo Farm is the only track in that game I'd ever say I don't like. It's wide open and boring.
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Multiplayer in battle mode is not even worth it unless you have four players since the stages are so large that you could potentially not even contact the other player.
I played it almost exclusively with just one other person, and we never had any trouble finding each other. I guess you could "potentially" both do donuts on opposite sides of the level instead of attacking each other. That's how my friends and I learned to power slide.
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Don't get me wrong, it's still a good game. It is just that the future MK's improved on all of the faults of the N64 version.
I couldn't disagree more. Every future home console game added more bad ideas and took away more of what I liked. The only game in the series I've really liked since Mario Kart 64 is Mario Kart DS, and I can't even play that one without excruciating pain from the unergonomic controls.
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Post by: broodwars on August 05, 2010, 02:13:57 PM
I'm abstaining from this poll. Frankly, I can't stand any of the Mario Kart games anymore. Despite fond memories of Battle Mode in the SNES and N64 Karts, I've tried to go back and replay them fairly recently and they just bore me. The post-N64 Mario Karts are won largely by luck (I'll give Activision credit for one thing in that silly Blur commercial: Mario Kart isn't about racing anymore, but about "making friends."), so I don't care for those either.
I will say, though, that Mario Kart DS probably has my favorite tracks of any Mario Kart game, especially Waluigi Pinball and whatever level you flew through Bowser's Airship Fleet.
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Post by: Shaymin on August 05, 2010, 08:48:37 PM
I cast my vote for 64, simply because it's the one I played the most and the blue shell "surprise sex" is set to 3 rather than 11.
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Post by: TheBlackCat on August 06, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
I have both MK64 and the original on VC and, although I have fond memories of them, they just don't hold up. The controls on the original are just far too loose, I can barely stay on the course. The courses in MK64 are just too short and lack the variety of features found in later titles. I haven't played the portable games.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 06, 2010, 09:02:22 AM
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE!
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 06, 2010, 11:12:00 AM
Looks like a run-off will be needed as the N64 and DS versions tied for first.
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Post by: broodwars on August 06, 2010, 11:19:50 AM
Looks like a run-off will be needed as the N64 and DS versions tied for first.
Or given that I was the guy who put in the lone vote for "I have no opinion..." I could just throw my vote in for the DS version and we could call it a round. ;)
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Post by: TJ Spyke on August 06, 2010, 11:28:15 AM
I would be OK with that. :)
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Post by: Stratos on August 06, 2010, 04:45:03 PM
Wow. Talk about condensed votes. Looks like we know what 3rd will be.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 06, 2010, 05:01:53 PM
I say we have a tiebreaker vote.Put up another poll and have it for 2 days.
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Post by: UncleBob on August 06, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
Damn you guys - a tie on the first round? Really?
Super Mario Kart (SNES) - 3 (14.3%) Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA) - 0 (0%) Mario Kart: Double Dash (GCN) - 0 (0%) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 0 (0%) Mario Kart DS - 6 (28.6%) Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 0 (0%) Mario Kart Wii - 5 (23.8%) I have no opinion on the remaining titles - 1 (4.8%) Mario Kart 64 (N64) - 6 (28.6%)
Total Members Voted: 21
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Fight!
Post by: UncleBob on August 06, 2010, 06:09:58 PM
N64 version again.
Really surprised it wasn't a run-away winner.
Also, very surprised that Double Dash, the only real variant in the 3D versions, didn't get a single vote.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 06, 2010, 06:13:30 PM
Going with DS since I like the track design more.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Fight!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 06, 2010, 06:20:15 PM
The DS version took the best parts of the series, and improved on it by doing stuff like adding bots for multiplayer (so you could play battle mode even by yourself). The N64 version was good at the time, but it has been eclipsed. Too many of the maps sucked (Choco Mountain springs to mind). I would put it 3rd or 4th in the series.
Going with the DS version again.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 06, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
I usually hate to play the "So-and-so game is only popular because of nostalgia" game, but that's how I feel about Mario Kart 64. It's probably because I've never really found it to be much of a quality title. It was I think maybe the third Nintendo 64 game that I got, so I played it mostly due to that. Age has not been kind to it.
The courses in MK64 are just too short and lack the variety of features found in later titles.
Mario Kart 64 has some of the longest tracks the series has seen (N64 Bowser's Castle is the longest track in Mario Kart Wii). The series has always had relatively short tracks though.
Multiplayer in battle mode is not even worth it unless you have four players since the stages are so large that you could potentially not even contact the other player.
It is only an issue if both players are not trying to actively engage one another. If someone wants to be a coward and run away from the other player, then yeah, it's too easy to avoid the opponent.
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Post by: vudu on August 06, 2010, 08:28:18 PM
If I'm forced to chose between these two for 1st, MK64 wins hands down.
But I still prefer the Wii version. (I'm hoping for a surprise second place finish!)
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Fight!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 07, 2010, 12:35:33 AM
I like the Mario Kart 64 version for multiplayer, and the Super Mario Kart DS for the single player. So that is a tough decision for me. I will have to vote Super Mario Kart DS because the single player is rich, and the portability is awesome.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Run Off for First Place - Vote Again,
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 07, 2010, 12:49:49 PM
The multiplayer in Mario Kart DS is way better than that of Mario Kart 64. Hell, if you take the online out of the discussion it has better multiplayer than Mario Kart Wii.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Run Off for First Place - Vote Again, pls
Post by: Mop it up on August 07, 2010, 07:51:37 PM
It very well could. We'll see where the votes go from those who voted the number 1 choice.
Not at this rate--I'd think it's more likely MK64-lovers would put the Wii version in second place than MKDS-lovers. If MK64 is still around for the second round of voting it will probably win.
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Post by: Mop it up on August 07, 2010, 08:12:42 PM
Hey no fair, you can see the poll results!
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Run Off for First Place - Vote Again, pls
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2010, 07:16:10 AM
I am still a huge fan of the MK64 blue turtle shell, and feel that after MK64, racing really broke down to some really bad random weapon attacks. I wish Nintendo would go back to the Mario Kart 64 formula of weapons. But, keep some of the awesome Wii Mario Kart stuff.
I would put Wii Mario Kart over Mario Kart 64, because of single player features.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Run Off for First Place - Vote Again, pls
Post by: vudu on August 08, 2010, 10:27:35 AM
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart... Run Off for First Place - Vote Again, pls
Post by: UncleBob on August 09, 2010, 01:49:20 PM
Mario Kart DS - 13 (61.9%) Mario Kart 64 (N64) - 8 (38.1%)
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Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: UncleBob on August 09, 2010, 01:55:58 PM
Surprised that Mario Kart DS won the tiebreaker so soundly. I wonder how many people voted for the DS version have not played the N64 version.
Going for N64 again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 09, 2010, 02:01:04 PM
Going with Mario Kart: Double Dash!! this time. The controls take a little getting used to, but I love the tracks (especially Baby Park) and the two players on each kart added a new dynamic (like being able to store one item without having to hold a button down).
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 09, 2010, 04:58:44 PM
I may have missed this, but why doesn't the N64 version get second place and we move on to 3rd? Isn't that how tiebreakers usually work?
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: UncleBob on August 09, 2010, 08:25:10 PM
Not in my polls. ;) In the original poll, 6 people thought MK64 was worth of first. Ideally, these same six people should vote for it in second. However, if the six MKDS voters all agree that another version (say, MKWii, that got 5 votes) is better than MK64, then that puts more voters who think MKWii is a better game than MK64.
You have to earn your ranking - the only game that wins my default is the loser in the final poll. ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 09, 2010, 08:52:34 PM
What happens if (as a joke) "I have no opinion on the remaining titles" wins the poll?
BTW, the poll results are not hidden.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Mop it up on August 09, 2010, 10:04:13 PM
I liked Mario Kart Double Dash!!, it was better than every previous game. I don't really understand why it appears to be viewed as the worst in the series; it plays pretty much the same with some new features added into it.
I'm still going with Mario Kart Wii though.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 09, 2010, 10:09:58 PM
Maybe the controls are part of the problem some people have, I have to get used to them every time I try and play DD. I personally love every other aspect of the game, I just regret that I never got to try and play the unofficial online mode using the Warp Pipe project.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Mop it up on August 09, 2010, 10:19:55 PM
Although I agree the controls are not as tight as later Mario Kart games and therefore take adjusting, I thought they were better than the previous games. But I guess people could have been used to just how slippery the control is in MK64 and SMK, and so they aren't used to DD's more responsive control.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: broodwars on August 09, 2010, 10:33:32 PM
I liked Mario Kart Double Dash!!, it was better than every previous game. I don't really understand why it appears to be viewed as the worst in the series; it plays pretty much the same with some new features added into it.
I'm still going with Mario Kart Wii though.
Well, my problem with Double Dash (besides how pointless the dual-rider aspect felt in Single Player Grand Prix) was that the tracks were pretty uniformly bland and forgettable. Mario Kart Wii's tracks weren't all that much better, either.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 09, 2010, 10:38:59 PM
I liked most of DD's tracks, more than MK64. There were only a couple I didn't enjoy.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Mop it up on August 09, 2010, 10:40:01 PM
I find that interesting, actually. The tracks in both games have more intricate designs with a lot more going on. Most of the tracks in previous games were pretty flat, even Mario Kart 64 doesn't have much beyond flatness.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 10, 2010, 07:33:51 AM
I think Super Mario Kart DS has had the best tracks in the game, but Double Dash and Wii do not have boring tracks. The tracks are actually quite impressive and amazing. I think perhaps the art style has been lacking in all the 3D Mario Karts, and this makes the tracks feel worse than they really are. That said some of my favorite tracks to play, and some of the most creative and interesting Mario Kart tracks are in the 3D games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 10, 2010, 04:13:46 PM
I would agree that most of the tracks in DD and Wii are a lot more interesting than most of those in 64. Those in 64 are mostly pretty flat (excluding pits) and didn't tend to have much going on. This is even more stark when comparing equivalent levels on the games.
For instance the road level in MK 64 was a simple loop road with a bridge and some cars. There were no atlernative routes and really nothing there besides the cars. DD had two road levels. The first had several shortcuts, including a pipe that shot you out, a sidewalk separated by a railing, a bridge you could drive up the side of, and a couple tunnels. The second had the track split into 3 intersecting paths, a looping on-ramp, and a pit.
Similarly, the snow level in MK 64 had an iceberg in the middle of the road at one point, some pinguins, and a cave with some pillars. The one in DD had ice-skating shy guys in place of pinguins, dudes that froze you solid, a couple of blocks of ice with no traction, a much larger downward-sloping tunnel, and a couple of areas you could cut across by going over hills. The Wii one has a launcher, skiing shy-guys, moguls, jumps, a pit you can jump across, deep snow, and is one of the steeper down-hill levels in any MK game (and is down-hill almost the entire way).
The MK 64 seaside level has a hole you can jump through and a ramp, while the DD one has areas that are flooded by tides, a pipe that shoots you out, a big hill, enemies that chase, and a big jump, and the closest one to that on the Wii has a river you need to drive down with several cut-offs, pipes that shoot out shells, an underwater tunnel with water and lightning bolts that shrink you, and a watefall that tries to push you off the course.
Even the same-named level, Moo Moo Meadows, on the Wii has a decent hill, cows on the track, a field you can cut across, and an area with grass patches and moving moles you need to avoid. The MK 64 one has some fixed moles in a bridge you have to avoid the pillars of, that is about it.
The standard rainbow road level in MK64 is basically a road with hills, a railing, and chomps. The DD one has a launcher, lots of sharp turns with no walls, much larger changes in altitude, and lots of boosters. The Wii one has several launchers, several splits in the road, a part the road that bounces you in the air, lots of boosters, lots of areas with no walls, and an area with pits you can jump over or walls you can shoot up.
I would say in pretty much every case, the equivalent levels in DD and Wii have at least as much, and often far more, going on in them than in MK 64, and almost every level in DD and Wii have at least as much going on as the most complicated level in 64, and most of the levels in MK 64 have a lot less going on.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 11, 2010, 10:25:30 AM
TheBlackCat: True. You really help point out how most people looking at Mario 64 as the best game, are perhaps only remembering the best qualities of the game.
The best thing Mario Kart 64 has is the non-exploding blue turtle shell, and less crazy weapons. However, I still think about the "2D" Mario Kart level design and realize those almost always have more interesting levels, and it is mostly because of art design and creativity.
Super Mario Kart vs Super Mario Kart 64. 64 added hills but, other than that didn't do much in adding new to the track designs...But then also look at the Gameboy Advanced game, and see all the crazy levels and themes in those tracks. I love that the sprite based games seem to have more levels themed off of actual Mario games.
Now look at Super Mario Kart DS tracks vs both Double Dash and Wii. Yes the DD and Wii Karts have some features the DS game doesn't, but creatively speaking the DS tracks are amazing. Some of the best tracks are literally playing through themed mario levels. They are brilliant.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: UncleBob on August 11, 2010, 11:34:02 AM
I think the reason so many of us like Mario Kart 64 is because it's got the right mix of racing and crazy-luck. Beyond that point, there's so many items and track designs that are built around killing you, then defiling your corpse with sex toys that it tends to lose some of the competitive spirit.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Halbred on August 11, 2010, 03:24:11 PM
I daresay that MK64 had the best Battle mode.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 11, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
I personally always thought Baby Park from Double Dash was the worst, or perhaps Moo Moo Farm from Mario 64. Sure, Yoshi Falls is by far the worst Yoshi track, but even that track isn't as boring at those two are.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Stratos on August 11, 2010, 05:54:42 PM
I personally always thought Baby Park from Double Dash was the worst, or perhaps Moo Moo Farm from Mario 64. Sure, Yoshi Falls is by far the worst Yoshi track, but even that track isn't as boring at those two are.
Baby Park is a terrible regular racing track. But it's fun is in having max players (4 or 8 if you can LAN) and crazy fun with shells and such flying everywhere.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 11, 2010, 06:21:48 PM
I'd really like to know how you could argue that 64 has a better battle mode than DS.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Mop it up on August 11, 2010, 06:28:48 PM
Wow, those are some interesting results. Not only did Mario Kart 64 receive less votes, but Maio Kart Wii won in a landslide.
I'd go with Yoshi Fails as being the worst track in the series as well. Baby Park is pretty poor, but at least it has some uniqueness in the fact that it's the only track which is more like a round of battle than a race.
I think the reason so many of us like Mario Kart 64 is because it's got the right mix of racing and crazy-luck.
I've seen various people say that but I'm still not seeing what's so different about Mario Kart 64 compared to the later games. Mario Kart Wii doesn't seem any more or less luck based; in fact, I'd argue that Mario Kart 64 is even more unbalanced when it comes to items. In MK64 it is possible to get stars and lightning, two of the game's most powerful items, in second place, meaning that first place has more danger to face than just a blue shell. Though, I do think it is still a bit better than Double Dash!!, as the character-specific items really throw that game out of whack.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 11, 2010, 07:36:54 PM
I daresay you haven't spent enough time with MKDS's battle mode.
My main gripe with MKDS's battle mode is the bizarrely wide open stages that required nerfing the red shell's target tracking ability and made green shell ricochets a non-issue. The other stages are fine and the other changes I can remember were all for the better. I even liked blowing up spare balloons. It was such an improvement, it makes the Epic Fail that is MK Wii's battle mode all the more depressing.
However, MK64 gave us Block Fort, which is still the greatest battle mode stage in the entire series. The best one created since is Twilight House. Pipe Plaza would be truly great, too, if only it were larger. If the pipes connected to a second area, it would probably be the second best in the series. Neither of those is as good as MK64's Skyscraper (and if you're going to call me out, Skyscraper's small size and openness are made up for by the opportunities for death-defying escapes, not to mention seeing how far out you can get your minimap icon to go 8)).
I'd also like to mention how much I miss a feature from the original game's battle mode. When you ran over an item block, it didn't immediately respawn. You had to use nearly every item block on the map before they'd all respawn en masse, which made for some very tense moments trying to avoid your opponent while hunting down one of the few remaining blocks. I'd really like that to be an option in later games. It would make the upside-down item block a more effective trap, at the very least.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Stratos on August 11, 2010, 07:39:56 PM
I daresay you haven't spent enough time with MKDS's battle mode.
My main gripe with MKDS's battle mode is the bizarrely wide open stages that required nerfing the red shell's target tracking ability and made green shell ricochets a non-issue. The other stages are fine and the other changes I can remember were all for the better. I even liked blowing up spare balloons. It was such an improvement, it makes the Epic Fail that is MK Wii's battle mode all the more depressing.
However, MK64 gave us Block Fort, which is still the greatest battle mode stage in the entire series. The best one created since is Twilight House. Pipe Plaza would be truly great, too, if only it were larger. If the pipes connected to a second area, it would probably be the second best in the series. Neither of those is as good as MK64's Skyscraper (and if you're going to call me out, Skyscraper's small size and openness are made up for by the opportunities for death-defying escapes, not to mention seeing how far out you can get your minimap icon to go :cool; ).
I'd also like to mention how much I miss a feature from the original game's battle mode. When you ran over an item block, it didn't immediately respawn. You had to use nearly every item block on the map before they'd all respawn en masse, which made for some very tense moments trying to avoid your opponent while hunting down one of the few remaining blocks. I'd really like that to be an option in later games. It would make the upside-down item block a more effective trap, at the very least.
I love blowing up my own balloons. It adds a lot of strategy. Do I not blow one up at first and try to get a mushroom to steal someone elses balloon or do I blow them all up to be safe? I generally blow one up so I have 2 and try to steal the third.
I too liked the limitation on items in the SNES game. It was fun racing around trying to find the last one first.
I also agree that Skyscraper was an awesome multiplayer level. Second only to Block Fort for me.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: Mop it up on August 11, 2010, 07:57:36 PM
I personally found the Skyscraper to be dull and boring. I wonder what their thought process was when selecting retro battle arenas for Mario Kart Wii, as they chose the worst of the four. Though I guess they didn't want to use Block Fort because of the new level Block Plaza, which is similar but larger. Double Deck would have been awesome with twelve players.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 11, 2010, 09:44:30 PM
Baby Park is a terrible regular racing track. But it's fun is in having max players (4 or 8 if you can LAN) and crazy fun with shells and such flying everywhere.
For single-player, yeah baby park is terrible. But for multiplayer it is one of my favorite courses. With the short-track, bunched-in players, walls that many items can cross, and lots of laps it is just utter mayhem. You can never get too far ahead because if you do you start lapping the last players, who have the most powerful weapons and can pummel you.
I was really disappointed it wasn't in MK Wii. Actually, I was disappointed MK Wii had no tracks with anything other than 3 laps. Having longer tracks with fewer laps and shorter tracks with more laps added quite a bit of variation.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 11, 2010, 09:48:37 PM
I think the reason so many of us like Mario Kart 64 is because it's got the right mix of racing and crazy-luck. Beyond that point, there's so many items and track designs that are built around killing you, then defiling your corpse with sex toys that it tends to lose some of the competitive spirit.
Few of the tracks really have truly random threats. If you learn the tracks and its patterns you can avoid the threats easily enough, and you can balance risk-taking with safety depending on how the course is going and your personal inclination. This adds a lot of strategy and a lot of benefit to practice, since you can learn just how close you can come to a threat and still be okay, when something will likely be in a certain place and what you can do to avoid it or take advantage of it. It also means you can't just close your eyes and do the track from memory, you need to actually pay attention to what is going on around you and plan your next move on-the-fly. I wouldn't consider those cheap or "built around killing you", and it prevents the tracks from getting boring because you actually have to pay attention to what is going on around you in order to get through the fastest.
The only things that I recall that I would really consider cheap and annoying are the random green shells popping out of pipes in Koopa Kape on MK Wii, since they are unpredictable and come at you from behind.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: 1st place to DS. Vote now for 2nd!
Post by: UncleBob on August 11, 2010, 10:16:38 PM
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 0 (0%) Super Mario Kart (SNES) - 3 (15%) Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA) - 1 (5%) I have no opinion on the remaining titles - 1 (5%) Mario Kart 64 (N64) - 4 (20%) Mario Kart Wii - 10 (50%) Mario Kart: Double Dash (GCN) - 1 (5%) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 20
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: UncleBob on August 11, 2010, 10:24:09 PM
This is the first time the losing title from a tie-breaker vote didn't win the next round. Weird.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Mop it up on August 11, 2010, 10:36:27 PM
I'm going to go with Mario Kart Double Dash!! since it is the only one which remains that I can tolerate. Though due to its reputation I don't expect it to be able to take third.
This is the first time the losing title from a tie-breaker vote didn't win the next round. Weird.
It does seem rather odd, especially considering that it had even less votes. But it goes to show why the game that loses the tie-breaker is still in the poll and not declared automatic second, because you never know!
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 11, 2010, 10:51:00 PM
I agree with Mop, Double Dash is a great game that gets an unusual amount of hate. I am going with it again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 11, 2010, 11:48:10 PM
I went with MK64 this time, because, even though it doesn't hold up that well today, I had a lot of fun with it back in the day, and that's more than I can say about any of the other remaining titles.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 12, 2010, 12:11:56 AM
Actually it's not hard to see why Mario Kart Wii got less votes in the first round but ended up winning the second round. Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart DS are the two Mario Karts that are the most similar to each other. Because of this, if someone liked Mario Kart DS as their favorite, chances are Mario Kart Wii is their second favorite since it's basically a continuation of it. So most of the people who voted for Mario Kart DS in the first round, voted for Mario Kart Wii in the second round.
No real surprise here.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: UncleBob on August 12, 2010, 12:37:49 AM
Actually it's not hard to see why Mario Kart Wii got less votes in the first round but ended up winning the second round. Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart DS are the two Mario Karts that are the most similar to each other. Because of this, if someone liked Mario Kart DS as their favorite, chances are Mario Kart Wii is their second favorite since it's basically a continuation of it. So most of the people who voted for Mario Kart DS in the first round, voted for Mario Kart Wii in the second round.
No real surprise here.
That still doesn't explain how Mario Kart 64 got fewer votes in the second poll than in the first.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: UncleBob on August 12, 2010, 02:01:42 AM
Well, in the first poll, there were 21 voters, where only 20 people participated - so that explains one of the votes.
In the second poll, someone voted for MKDD and MKSC, whereas only ten people voted for MKDS (six voted in the first round for it and five voted for MKWii). So, either one person completely changed their vote from MK64 to MKDD or MKSC or two people who voted for MK64 didn't vote at all.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 12, 2010, 06:19:16 AM
I personally always thought Baby Park from Double Dash was the worst, or perhaps Moo Moo Farm from Mario 64. Sure, Yoshi Falls is by far the worst Yoshi track, but even that track isn't as boring at those two are.
Moo Moo Farm is an excellent track. Its one of my favorites from the N64 days. And Baby Park is only good for its craziness, but its a lot of good.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: UncleBob on August 12, 2010, 08:50:41 AM
For what it's worth, Baby Park is the track I always play whenever I get a new GameCube and want to make sure the LAN mode is up and running okay.
I put the Wavebird receiver in multiple GameCubes, set them to the same channels, then crank it all up to Baby Park and play! ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Sarail on August 12, 2010, 09:44:23 AM
I voted for Mario Kart DS in the first round, and then voted for Super Circuit in the second. Hmm...
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 12, 2010, 06:50:15 PM
I'd really like to know how you could argue that 64 has a better battle mode than DS.
BLOCK FORT
Block Fort is in Mario Kart DS too.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Peachylala on August 12, 2010, 10:54:32 PM
I voted for Double Dash since, despite what people may say, has that really good partner system I liked. Some of the special items are useful, others... not so much (Mario/Luigi fireballs).
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 13, 2010, 12:08:44 AM
I'd really like to know how you could argue that 64 has a better battle mode than DS.
BLOCK FORT
Block Fort is in Mario Kart DS too.
lol I forgot. Well I would suspect that battle mode is a better *experience* on N64 cause your all battling next to each other :P. But then also because I prefer how the green shells and the red shells felt in the N64 game over all others.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Mop it up on August 13, 2010, 08:23:23 PM
I'd really like to know how you could argue that 64 has a better battle mode than DS.
BLOCK FORT
Block Fort is in Mario Kart DS too.
Ah, so that explains its absence in Mario Kart Wii. They wouldn't want to use the same ones again.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 13, 2010, 09:49:45 PM
I voted for Mario Kart 64. Mario Kart Double Dash and Mario Kart Wii are very similar to me. I think the Wii game does everything that Double Dash does better. However, Mario Kart 64, has some great elements that need to be recognized.
The Blue Turtle Shell is the best example. To me Mario Kart 64, may be the best of the old school Mario Karts. (SNES, N64, GBA)
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 13, 2010, 10:02:43 PM
I think the reason so many of us like Mario Kart 64 is because it's got the right mix of racing and crazy-luck. Beyond that point, there's so many items and track designs that are built around killing you, then defiling your corpse with sex toys that it tends to lose some of the competitive spirit.
Few of the tracks really have truly random threats. If you learn the tracks and its patterns you can avoid the threats easily enough, and you can balance risk-taking with safety depending on how the course is going and your personal inclination. This adds a lot of strategy and a lot of benefit to practice, since you can learn just how close you can come to a threat and still be okay, when something will likely be in a certain place and what you can do to avoid it or take advantage of it. It also means you can't just close your eyes and do the track from memory, you need to actually pay attention to what is going on around you and plan your next move on-the-fly. I wouldn't consider those cheap or "built around killing you", and it prevents the tracks from getting boring because you actually have to pay attention to what is going on around you in order to get through the fastest.
The only things that I recall that I would really consider cheap and annoying are the random green shells popping out of pipes in Koopa Kape on MK Wii, since they are unpredictable and come at you from behind.
This post really got me thinking, and it really helped me think about designing levels that are "moving" or living levels with obstacles within the track that aren't just other racers. When done right the levels create an awesome balance of tension from racers and the track. Mario Kart 64 and even more so Double Dash had the best examples in the series about racing tracks. But, there is nothing more frustrating, then having a random or ill-timed environmental hazard take you out of the race, because of chance.
Mario Kart Wii has the worst examples of these...but also had some great examples of well designed levels. I think Mario Kart Wii's levels were sometimes had too much going on.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: Mop it up on August 13, 2010, 10:48:29 PM
The only things that I recall that I would really consider cheap and annoying are the random green shells popping out of pipes in Koopa Kape on MK Wii, since they are unpredictable and come at you from behind.
What are you talking about? There is no such hazard on that track.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: UncleBob on August 14, 2010, 01:33:36 AM
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 0 (0%) Super Mario Kart (SNES) - 4 (19%) Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA) - 1 (4.8%) I have no opinion on the remaining titles - 1 (4.8%) Mario Kart 64 (N64) - 9 (42.9%) Mario Kart: Double Dash (GCN) - 6 (28.6%) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 21
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart: Wii in 2nd with 50%. 3rd?
Post by: UncleBob on August 14, 2010, 01:36:07 AM
Double Dash next. It's the Mario Kart I own the most copies of!
Reminder: This poll runs three days, due to the weekend.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart 64 Finally Places! Vote now for Fourth!
Post by: Shaymin on August 14, 2010, 08:57:17 AM
I voted the original, since it's the one besides 64 I played the most. Plus it has the Feather, and no ****ing blue shells.
Also, I believe the standing were made public again...
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart 64 Finally Places! Vote now for Fourth!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 14, 2010, 10:05:28 AM
Blue shells are fun.
Going with Double Dash, the 3rd best in the series IMO and I will keep picking it until it wins.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart 64 Finally Places! Vote now for Fourth!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 14, 2010, 12:18:52 PM
Mario Kart Wii has the worst examples of these...but also had some great examples of well designed levels. I think Mario Kart Wii's levels were sometimes had too much going on.
What, specifically, are you referring to?
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart 64 Finally Places! Vote now for Fourth!
Post by: Morari on August 14, 2010, 02:22:11 PM
I voted for Mario Kart 64. Mario Kart Double Dash and Mario Kart Wii are very similar to me. I think the Wii game does everything that Double Dash does better.
Except present any sort of strategy when it comes to item juggling or character-specific special weapons. Mario Kart Wii always felt like beginner's distillation of the series. Some of the tracks were epic in terms of crazy **** going on, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart 64 Finally Places! Vote now for Fourth!
Post by: Mop it up on August 14, 2010, 09:55:08 PM
What are you talking about? There is no such hazard on that track.
Shortly after the finish line there are some green pipes. Green shells occasionally pop out of them.
I've never seen any such thing. I think you are mistaken, and are confusing them with shells launched by other players.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: Mario Kart 64 Finally Places! Vote now for Fourth!
Post by: UncleBob on August 17, 2010, 08:49:37 AM
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 0 (0%) Super Mario Kart (SNES) - 6 (31.6%) Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA) - 1 (5.3%) I have no opinion on the remaining titles - 1 (5.3%) Mario Kart: Double Dash (GCN) - 11 (57.9%) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 19
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: UncleBob on August 17, 2010, 08:53:44 AM
I figure the original will win the poll. I'd like to vote for the GBA version, since it's the version I own the second most amount of, but I think I'm going to break away from the pack and vote for the first arcade game. It's really a great game...
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 17, 2010, 10:02:53 AM
I went with the original Mario Kart. The Gameboy advanced Mario Kart was difficult to get multiplayer going, and although great it had its moments that made it just not as grand as I would like. Portable Mario Kart is awesome...but the original has so many awesome moments, and traits.
1) Special enemy weapons during single player, really made racing against your 2nd place rival dangerous. Bowsers moving fireballs or Mario's invincibility were always scary. And I loved them all.
2) Being able to lap opponents and even sometimes second place racer. I loved hitting the computer with a shell right before a jump and screwing them a lap. (Mario Circuit I heart you.)
3) Levels based on Super Mario World, the second best 2D Mario game....second only to Yoshi's Island.
4) Being introduced to the concept of Kart Battle Modes...that would become standard in many racing games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 17, 2010, 10:03:52 AM
I either don't really like or haven't played the remaining titles, so I'm going to have to go no opinion.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 17, 2010, 12:38:05 PM
I haven't played the arcade games but I have played the original and GBA games and I prefer the SNES game. Mainly for the reasons that Spak-Spang stated. I loved playing on Bowser Castle and lapping everybody. I used the Princess most of the time.
I also liked how if you picked someone you would have your rival.
It also had fun ways to add to the challenge. I liked running over toad and princess toadstools mushroom and playing shrunken through the race.
It was also fun to race backwards on certain tracks.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 17, 2010, 12:46:52 PM
2) Being able to lap opponents and even sometimes second place racer. I loved hitting the computer with a shell right before a jump and screwing them a lap. (Mario Circuit I heart you.)
The best part about that is that the computer controlled racers had infinite feathers, and their use of them seemed to be completely deterministic, i.e. if they did use them, they'd always use them in that same spot. That meant if you placed a banana peel perfectly, every single one of them would jump over it every single time, as well as over the boost and jump markers. The entire pack could be stuck in an endless loop.
Another thing I liked was how speed boosts affected your jump height when you hit the jumps. I loved using a mushroom so I'd be at ludicrous speed and jump clear off the top of the screen. It was possible to do some shortcuts that way, but really, really risky. Which is why it was awesome.
I've been voting for the original the whole time because it was the game I was best at in my prime, and it was a hard game, too. Also, none of the others have felt quite as precise to me. I could snipe with green shells reliably in that game, but in every one since I've felt like the green shells don't get fired quite straight. I just haven't ever developed as good a feel for them as I did in the original in spite of probably logging as many hours in MK64 as in the original. I can list a lot more stuff I miss from the original, like how I prefer the larger turning radius for red shells (that got me killed a lot when first starting MK64), but it's going to turn into nitpicking if I don't stop now.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: vudu on August 17, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
I either don't really like or haven't played the remaining titles, so I'm going to have to go no opinion.
Ditto. I hate the original and I haven't played the other remaining titles.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 17, 2010, 07:23:31 PM
I've never played the SNES or GBA ones (the closest i've come is playing their tracks in the retro cups of later games), and the one arcade that used to be in my county never had either arcade game. I guess I have to go with the no opinion option.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: Stratos on August 18, 2010, 02:14:16 AM
I'm pushing for GP now. I agree it is quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: Mop it up on August 18, 2010, 02:20:07 AM
I'm voting for the arcade game since it can't possibly be worse than the SNES and GBA ones, plus there's a Birdo cameo in it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: UncleBob on August 19, 2010, 01:54:25 AM
Interesting...
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: Stratos on August 19, 2010, 04:03:43 AM
GP is actually gaining some support. But I doubt it will beat SNES. People don't like it, but I don't think enough will rally to others to help them win.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 19, 2010, 04:57:23 AM
The original deserves much more credit than its getting. Sure its not as good as the later, but you need to respect and put it somewhere.
That is one reason I love the Mega Man series...they are so similar that the second and 8th game can compete together even though the graphics are quite different.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: DD takes 4th - voting for 5th is now!
Post by: UncleBob on August 19, 2010, 09:00:38 AM
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 0 (0%) Super Mario Kart (SNES) - 7 (35%) Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA) - 2 (10%) I have no opinion on the remaining titles - 8 (40%) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 3 (15%)
Total Members Voted: 20
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 19, 2010, 09:28:26 AM
Haha, so SMK won that round by default. I still wonder why both arcade games were put in, the first had very limited distribution (partially because there are very few arcades left here, and also because some of the few remaining arcades didn't buy the game due to price and/or the size of it), the second one was in even fewer arcades.
No opinion on the three remaining ones because I never played them.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: broodwars on August 19, 2010, 10:09:05 AM
Is there a reason this poll is still going, considering the large number of people who voted "no opinion" on the last poll? :confused;
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 19, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
The original deserves much more credit than its getting. Sure its not as good as the later, but you need to respect and put it somewhere.
The problem, at least for me, is that I haven't played any of the other titles, and I think there is a good enough chance that they are better than SMK that I can't vote for it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: UncleBob on August 19, 2010, 03:21:13 PM
Is there a reason this poll is still going, considering the large number of people who voted "no opinion" on the last poll? :confused;
Because there's still three more games to decide on? :)
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: vudu on August 19, 2010, 03:26:26 PM
Sorry, but once that 'no opinion' vote wins the poll series should be over.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 19, 2010, 03:43:44 PM
That's ridiculous. It's just an indicator of disinterest in the outcome -- a way to catch votes from people who would otherwise pick at random or by useless criteria so they don't spoil the outcome.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: vudu on August 19, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
In that case, I look forward to the GP vs. GP2 poll when 95% of the participants haven't played either game.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: Morari on August 19, 2010, 06:15:50 PM
I wanted to vote for GP3, but it doesn't appear to be an option. I mean, who doesn't want to race as Pikachu?
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: UncleBob on August 19, 2010, 06:17:23 PM
In that case, I look forward to the GP vs. GP2 poll when 95% of the participants haven't played either game.
So do I. I'm considering that once NoO gets 50% of the votes, declaring that round over... but I'm not sure. I'd really like to see which game "loses" each round (although, in this round, I suspect GP2 since the lesser amount of people have played it.)
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: Mop it up on August 19, 2010, 11:14:52 PM
The original deserves much more credit than its getting. Sure its not as good as the later, but you need to respect and put it somewhere.
Well, this poll is asking us for what we consider our favourite games, and not which ones had an impact. So I think it's up to the individual to decide the reasons for their choices. In my case, I tend to go with games that I could still enjoy playing today, and Super Mario Kart doesn't fall under this. It was a revolutionary and innovative game for its time, and I would never discredit it for single-handedly creating the "kart racing" off-shoot genre. But I feel it has aged poorly and is not worth playing today, as its sequels far outclass it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 20, 2010, 12:44:04 AM
That's ridiculous. It's just an indicator of disinterest in the outcome -- a way to catch votes from people who would otherwise pick at random or by useless criteria so they don't spoil the outcome.
Or just not vote at all. There is no rule that says that people have to vote in every round. If I didn't have an opinion and that option wasn't there, I just wouldn't vote.
I would still continue voting as long as there is at least one person who voted for one of the titles we should continue. I think as long as there are people interested in the outcome it would be unfair to them to end it. I know I would prefer it continue if I was in that boat. But if none of the titles get any votes, then I would end it.
I do have a question, though. If "I have no opinion on the remaining titles" ties with one of the other titles, do we still get a run-off vote?
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 20, 2010, 09:35:13 AM
That is a good point. Personally, I could go back to play Super Mario Kart tomorrow. The only thing it is lacking is a 4 player mode, and if Nintendo could remake it, sprite for sprite the same with a 4 player mode I would be all over it.
At times I even like the graphics in the game better than the N64 version.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: Mop it up on August 20, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
At times I even like the graphics in the game better than the N64 version.
I agree with that. I've always preferred a more "cartoony" look than a computer-generated graphic look, so a lot of those older Mario character designs are more appealing to me. Plus, the pre-rendered sprites used in Mario Kart 64 were pretty blurry. These days, the characters are all rounded and glossy, it just looks weird sometimes. It's a shame they didn't use that "cel-shaded" look I think it's called, for Mario games, something similar to Wind Waker though maybe a bit more subtle. I've always felt that would be a good look for the games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 20, 2010, 11:19:35 PM
I really hate the 3D Mario models in most Mario games. Galaxy was the first Mario in 3D that I liked the look of Mario.
Mario himself is such a great character design. But, he needs that cartoony look that sprite based graphics bring. I wouldn't mind seeing what a cell-shaded Mario game would look like though.
But, if they ever wanted to make a Super Mario Bros. 5/6 depending on what you think World and World 2 are...then they need to make it sprite based.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 20, 2010, 11:57:36 PM
I couldn't disagree more about the next mainline Mario game being sprite. I will agree that the N64 models were not that good (that has to do with the limited graphics of early 3D games though), but they were fine with GameCube and later. Most of the characters look better than ever in 3D (although Goombas look better in 2D).
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 21, 2010, 12:05:13 AM
I'd love to see a new sprite-based 2D Mario game, but the problem with that is that the two likeliest systems it could appear on would be the Wii 2 or the 3DS, and neither of those would be well suited to sprites. They wouldn't work well with the 3D effects of the 3DS, and I doubt Nintendo would want to go to the effort of making sprites for the HD resolution of the Wii 2.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: TheBlackCat on August 21, 2010, 12:36:35 AM
A true sprite wouldn't be worth it, but vector artwork would be good. That also allows things like deforming and resizing that wouldn't work well with sprites.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 21, 2010, 03:11:34 AM
Sprite based games can be done on any system now. Its not like we have now have these powerful 3D game systems and they can't do Sprites anymore. That is silly.
Also, I think the 3DS is going to be a great 2D game system. Actually, it could be the best. You could have higher resolution sprites, than the system can display, and scale them because then it wouldn't get as pixelated. You can also show some nice depth with 3D. Think about the Tarzan animated movie. They used several layers of screens to create a rich and deep jungle. Imagine a Sprite based game doing something similar but adding actual 3D depth to the result. A truly beautiful and rich 2D experience can be had on the 3DS. Now, vector graphics may be a better solution, but it isn't the only solution.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: SMK 5th - No one cares anymore - voting for 6th open!
Post by: UncleBob on August 21, 2010, 09:09:44 AM
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 1 (5.9%) Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA) - 7 (41.2%) I have no opinion on the remaining titles - 6 (35.3%) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 3 (17.6%)
Total Members Voted: 17
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: GBA 6th - everyone cares again! Final Round - Fight!
Post by: UncleBob on August 21, 2010, 09:11:50 AM
This should be interesting. Someone has voted for GP2 - I wonder who else has managed to play both versions of GP...
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: GBA 6th - everyone cares again! Final Round - Fight!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 21, 2010, 09:17:14 AM
I'm going to flip a coin to decide on what I'm voting on since I haven't played either.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: GBA 6th - everyone cares again! Final Round - Fight!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 21, 2010, 03:59:44 PM
I would be shocked if even 5 people here have played either arcade game, yet alone both.
Since I have never even seen either arcade game in person, I have to go with the No Opinion option.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: GBA 6th - everyone cares again! Final Round - Fight!
Post by: Mop it up on August 21, 2010, 08:57:57 PM
Wario Land: Shake it! on Wii was a grand reminder of just how good a sprite-based game can look. A Boy and His Blob wasn't too shabby either.
I'm not sure if they really need 2D sprites to achieve that kind of look though... The systems of today are capable of so much that it could probably be done using some other technique.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: GBA 6th - everyone cares again! Final Round - Fight!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 22, 2010, 05:19:04 AM
I haven't played either of these. But doing research the opinion is the second is far better. Which, I don't doubt, it had more characters, more tracks, and probably polished game play...so mind as well go with the later one.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3: GBA 6th - everyone cares again! Final Round - Fight!
Post by: UncleBob on August 23, 2010, 09:12:10 AM
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 - 2 (14.3%) I have no opinion on the remaining titles - 8 (57.1%) Mario Kart Arcade GP - 4 (28.6%)
Total Members Voted: 14
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 23, 2010, 09:48:02 AM
I wanted to play both arcade games, but I couldn't. Other than the limited arcade at the local amusement park (Seabreeze Amusement Park), the only arcade within 100 miles was at the mall. They never bothered to buy the first one and I think they had shut down before the second one was even released. And no, the amusement park arcade never had either one. They did have the Guitar Hero arcade game, but there was no way I would pay $1 to play it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: Mop it up on August 23, 2010, 06:48:44 PM
I don't think I have ever played a game at an arcade. If the two games were released in a compilation for Wii, I'd be all over it.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: Halbred on August 23, 2010, 08:18:20 PM
My vote isn't entirely true. I saw one of the Mario Kart arcade games in a London Arcade, but I didn't play it. I basically just walked past it and thought "hey, there's one of those Mario Kart arcade games."
Can we do something besides Mario Kart now?
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: Shaymin on August 23, 2010, 08:39:58 PM
I've been able to go to one arcade location in the last decade, and it's never had a Mario Kart arcade game.
In a possibly unrelated note, it no longer exists.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 28, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
So what is next on the poll? I think the Resident Evil series would be good.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: Mop it up on August 28, 2010, 02:58:13 PM
Putting up another poll about it would probably be the best way to decide. I'd like to see Mega Man 1-10 myself.
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: vudu on August 28, 2010, 07:01:46 PM
Results of the last poll:
Mario Kart Arcade GP: Have you played them?
I've played Mario Kart Arcade GP. 1 (6.7%) I've played Mario Kart Arcade GP 2. 1 (6.7%) I've played both Mario Kart arcade games. 1 (6.7%) I have no interest in playing either Mario Kart arcade game. 1 (6.7%) I want to play them, but I've never actually seen one. 11 (73.3%)
Total Members Voted: 15
Title: Re: Series Series - Round 3 over: Follow-up Mario Kart poll!
Post by: vudu on August 28, 2010, 07:04:37 PM
New poll is up.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Mop it up on August 28, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
Vudu, I'm not sure what I've done that you don't like me, but whatever it is, I apologize.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: vudu on August 28, 2010, 09:15:32 PM
You can't guilt me into anything, my dear!
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Morari on August 28, 2010, 09:30:29 PM
This post of mine is clever, interesting and/or insightful.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Mop it up on August 28, 2010, 11:09:38 PM
And to think, I applaud you every day of the week, especially when you have a negative number. I guess I have been wasting my time.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Stratos on August 29, 2010, 06:06:13 AM
I want an option for 'All of the Above'. Or how about 'The World May Never Know'? ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 29, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
I think it's a mix of #2 and #3. They're good posters and deserve to have a good amount of points (well, maybe not thatguy), but they're way too high; there must be some kind of scam.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Stratos on August 29, 2010, 06:53:36 PM
And my points drop down by 10 in about 24 hours...wow.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 30, 2010, 01:39:01 PM
I just want to point out that I don't think I applauded the other three people on the poll at least not every hour on the hour. Only when I think they posted something worth applauding or something they did.
Also who keeps on smiting me?
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Stratos on August 30, 2010, 06:53:37 PM
I just smited you because you asked about smiting ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Halbred on August 30, 2010, 08:16:52 PM
Wow, is proper English so difficult?
How the Hell do Maxi, Mop it up, thatguy and Stratos HAVE so many damn points?
SRSLY
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2010, 10:05:25 PM
Bill has a ton, too.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2010, 10:15:40 PM
I am curious as how thatguy got so many posts considering how infrequently you post (25 posts in the last six weeks).
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: that Baby guy on August 30, 2010, 10:18:06 PM
Quality posting history. I've been going through it, and it's just amazing.
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 31, 2010, 03:11:35 AM
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 31, 2010, 07:03:16 AM
How do you even get points? I have 6..is that good?
Title: Re: Series Series - Hi-jacked poll #2: Points!
Post by: UncleBob on August 31, 2010, 08:40:48 AM
Okay, now taking nominations for the next round. You can only nominate one series and you can "second" up to two other's suggestions.
I nominate Wario Ware. It's a small, contained and popular series that should go rather quickly and I already have a great idea for the follow-up poll. ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 31, 2010, 09:18:54 AM
I nominate the Resident Evil series.
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: broodwars on August 31, 2010, 10:35:13 AM
I still think the Donkey Kong franchise could be a good one, as well as one for favorite Nintendo console.
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 31, 2010, 10:53:41 AM
GameCube launch games seems good to me.
Ranking Nintendo systems is not bad either, I wonder if it would be split up by variations though (i.e. NES/NES 2, GBA/GBA SP/GB Micro, etc.)
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: vudu on August 31, 2010, 04:14:42 PM
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: Halbred on August 31, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
I'm still campaigning for Castlevania.
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: Mop it up on September 01, 2010, 08:01:59 PM
I still say the original Mega Man series (1-10), though I wouldn't mind seeing Donkey Kong or GameCube launch.
I don't like Castlevania, have played only one WarioWare game (the GCN one, barely), and have only watched Resident Evil games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 01, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
If you do Resident Evil, I demand a "They all suck" option in the poll once RE4 wins.
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: Morari on September 01, 2010, 08:29:08 PM
RE4 wasn't a true Resident Evil game. It was a very fun action game, but Code Veronica was the real number four. RE4 had little in the way of puzzles, and even less when it came to survival horror. It was all run and gun, with copious ammo.
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: Shaymin on September 01, 2010, 08:36:58 PM
Title: Re: Series Series - Nominations for Round 4.
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 03, 2010, 07:16:55 PM
After finally downloading Mega Man 10 and recently beating it, I'm all for a Classic Mega Man series poll. It's guaranteed that MM2 and MM3 will take the top two spots but it should be interesting to see where the rest of the series ends up since I've noticed most people are pretty divided when ranking there favorites after 2/3.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: UncleBob on September 05, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
New poll is up. Yeah, I put Kirby in there. Watching Epic Yarn trailer has gotten me excited.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 05, 2010, 11:46:09 AM
I decided Donkey Kong and Mega Man.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 05, 2010, 12:03:25 PM
So are the top 2 that win will be in the next 2 polls?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 05, 2010, 12:24:39 PM
Nintendo systems and GCN launch titles (the launch titles being my main pick).
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: Shaymin on September 05, 2010, 06:57:46 PM
All right, which one of you voted for vudu's mom?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: TheBlackCat on September 06, 2010, 09:40:45 PM
I considered it, but I am not clear on what we would be voting on. Does vudu have more than one mom or something?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: Mop it up on September 06, 2010, 09:50:18 PM
I once played the role of UncleBob's mom.
I think it's better if I don't clarify that comment.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: UncleBob on September 06, 2010, 09:55:28 PM
So are the top 2 that win will be in the next 2 polls?
No, this poll is only for the next series. I'm giving everyone two votes so they can shoot for two different series they'd like to see (if 49% really want SeriesX and 51% really want SeriesY, but 90% would be okay with SeriesZ, then SeriesZ would make for a more inclusive round of polling, as half the participators would be less interested in X or Y.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4.
Post by: Morari on September 07, 2010, 10:04:28 AM
I'm disappointed vudu's mom didn't win, but amused by how close she came.
It wasn't that close. Mega Man didn't tie for first and he still beat my mom.
...
Wait ... that didn't come out right.
You mean that was a poll to see who got to beat up Vudu's mom?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4... again...
Post by: UncleBob on September 11, 2010, 06:12:26 PM
Really low turnout so far in this poll. Where are all the voters? Weekend lag?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4... again...
Post by: vudu on September 11, 2010, 06:22:58 PM
I thought 16 votes was a pretty normal turnout.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4... again...
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 14, 2010, 10:19:23 PM
Looks like Nintendo systems won.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4... again...
Post by: UncleBob on September 15, 2010, 12:43:51 AM
Yup.
Donkey Kong - 7 (38.9%) Nintendo Systems - 11 (61.1%)
Total Members Voted: 18
Guh.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4... again...
Post by: UncleBob on September 15, 2010, 12:50:01 AM
Okay, so vuduisdudu and I were having a discussion about this round of polling. Which totally throws off my future plans of running off the winning titles against one another.
Do we include the Game Boy Color, Virtual Boy and the DSi/DSiXL as their own systems?
Virtual Boy seemed pretty obvious to me, but vudu doesn't like it because he doesn't think anyone's played it, so it'll lose just because of that.
For the GBC/DSi - in spite of the fact that these systems have a selection of games that simply cannot be played on the earlier version of the system, vudu feels that having them as options will split the vote.
So, cast your vote on if you want to include the Virtual Boy and if you want to include the Game Boy Color and the DSi as separate systems.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4... again...
Post by: broodwars on September 15, 2010, 01:04:35 AM
There can be a fairly decent argument made for the Virtual Boy being in the poll and considered its own system considering it...well...was. I won't vote for it, but there's no reason it shouldn't be in there. The DSi and Game Boy Color, though, are just spin-offs of the DS and Game Boy, respectively, and should only be considered as such.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4... again...
Post by: Stratos on September 15, 2010, 01:05:13 AM
EVRYTHING
And I own a Virtual Boy
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2010, 01:38:56 AM
No one may vote for the Virtual Boy, but I don't think something should be excluded based on the assumption no one will choose it.
I think the market dictates what is a successor and what is a hardware revision or different model. In the case of the Game Boy Color, it replaced the Game Boy, both on store shelves and in game development. The DSi, meanwhile, is being sold alongside the DS, and a majority of its games are still DS games, pretty much all of which are retail games. So, the GBC is a successor and the DSi is a revision. If the GBC is a revision, then the Wii is a GameCube revision.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 15, 2010, 02:12:07 AM
No one may vote for the Virtual Boy, but I don't think something should be excluded based on the assumption no one will choose it.
I think the market dictates what is a successor and what is a hardware revision or different model. In the case of the Game Boy Color, it replaced the Game Boy, both on store shelves and in game development. The DSi, meanwhile, is being sold alongside the DS, and a majority of its games are still DS games, pretty much all of which are retail games. So, the GBC is a successor and the DSi is a revision. If the GBC is a revision, then the Wii is a GameCube revision.
Many of the Gameboy Colors games still worked on a normal Gameboy. None of the Wii's games can be played on a Gamecube.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2010, 02:30:24 AM
Zelda Twilight Princess and the New Play Control! games come to mind. I'm sure there are others too.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 15, 2010, 04:35:51 AM
Well I am going to include all of them. The GBC was its own system. I consider that the GBP was the stopgap between GB and GBC.
As for the Virtual Boy I think it deserves to be up on the poll. I have played this a few times but I personally never owned one.
The DSi I believe is a very interesting take on the DS line. I liked the idea of it and it deserves to be up there.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 15, 2010, 10:49:26 AM
Game Boy Color is a different system, I don't know why you would not include it. It is NOT a spinoff (sorry brood, but you are 100% wrong). Virtual Boy is another easy answer, yes.
DSi is not a re-model of the DS, so no.
In short:
GBC- Yes VB- Yes DSi- No
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: vudu on September 15, 2010, 02:30:28 PM
The DS is arguably the best Nintendo system ever created. It's got a huge library of exclusive titles and many innovative things about it. But the DSi beats is in almost every regard (all except GBA compatibility). Anyone who owns a DSi will vote for it over the regular DS. However, since so few people on these boards own a DSi most will probably just vote for the DS. The vote will be split and the systems will rank in the middle instead of at the top.
The same holds true for the GB and GBC (although to a slightly lesser extent).
I never said Virtual Boy shouldn't be included. I just mean it's guaranteed to rank in last place, so I don't really see the point.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2010, 07:28:17 PM
I was thinking, since this poll will have so many choices, maybe it'd be best to lump the entire Game Boy line into one, and the DS line into one? That will leave the poll like this:
NES SNES N64 GCN Wii Virtual Boy Game Boy DS
Eight seems like plenty to me, I don't want these polls to go on for too long.
Then, sometime in the future, you could do a handheld poll where you vote for all the different models.
Game Boy Game Boy Pocket Game Boy Color Game Boy Advance Game Boy Advance SP Game Boy Micro DS DS Lite DSi DSi XL
I know I didn't list everything, such as the Game Boy Light and the GBA SP Backlight, but I figured I'd stick with the ones that were released worldwide.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 15, 2010, 07:31:21 PM
The Game Boy Advance should not be lumped in with the other Game Boys; it's clearly its own system. Other than that, I agree with Mop it up's list.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2010, 07:33:04 PM
I know it is, but it's similar enough, and the point would be to not worry about the debate of what qualifies as a successor, as well as reducing options on the poll so it doesn't overstay its welcome.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 15, 2010, 07:44:18 PM
If you're going to count the GB and GBA as one, you might as well count the NES and SNES as one.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2010, 07:50:54 PM
The Super NES can't play NES games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 15, 2010, 07:53:51 PM
Fine; count the GameCube and Wii as one.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 15, 2010, 07:55:09 PM
Gamecube can't use motion controls.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Mop it up on September 15, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
Look, it was just a suggestion to make things easier, but I guess that won't be possible.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: that Baby guy on September 15, 2010, 09:28:14 PM
GBA Player + Wario Ware: Twisted, Kirby Tilt-n-Tumble, or Yoshi's Topsy Turvey or whatever the last one was called.
It can, just through indirect means >.>
The WiiMote was originally designed to BE an add-on for the Gamecube :P
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: UncleBob on September 19, 2010, 09:52:22 AM
So...
Include DSi - 5 Include VB - 12 Include GBC - 10 None of the above - 2 Total Members Voted: 16
A majority of voters (75%) say to include the Virtual Boy. A majority of voters (62.5%) say to include the GBC. Only 31.25% of voters give the DSi any love. 12.5% of you just hate everything.
Voting starts Monday.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: Mop it up on September 20, 2010, 09:26:35 PM
Well, we know one of those "None of the above" was Vudu. Who was the other? Vudu alt?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 Pre-Poll
Post by: UncleBob on September 20, 2010, 11:31:17 PM
I predict that vudu is incorrect on Virtual Boy losing this round.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: Shaymin on September 20, 2010, 11:35:09 PM
Trying to pick between the SNES and the DS is like trying to choose between my children. This poll can be so cruel.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: Mop it up on September 21, 2010, 12:37:49 AM
Just in case anyone doesn't read my posts, Nintendo 64.
I had to go with the N64. Three of my all time top 5 favorite games were on that system.
If I remember rightly, one is Perfect Dark. What are the other two?
Actually, no, Perfect Dark is my 4th favorite N64 game, which shows just how great the system is. The three in my top five are Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, and Star Fox 64.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: vudu on September 21, 2010, 07:16:57 PM
Anyone who thinks the N64 is the best Nintendo console was born after 1985.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 21, 2010, 07:39:53 PM
I don't know if that's true as a general rule, but it's true in my case. Number 2 for me would be the DS, which by that logic would require me to be even younger.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: vudu on September 21, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
Number 2 for me would be the DS, which by that logic would require me to be even younger.
No, because DS is the best handheld system without question. The best console generally depends on which one was current when you were between the ages of 12 to 18.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: UncleBob on September 21, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
No, because DS is the best handheld system without question. The best console generally depends on which one was current when you were between the ages of 12 to 18.
I'm not sure if age necessarily has anything to do with it, but I do think that the system which provided the most "firsts" for a person is the most likely one to be their favourite. Interestingly, my second pick would also be a current system (Wii), so perhaps a person's second choice is their real favourite system?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 22, 2010, 11:10:19 AM
Number 2 for me would be the DS, which by that logic would require me to be even younger.
No, because DS is the best handheld system without question. The best console generally depends on which one was current when you were between the ages of 12 to 18.
Well then my favorite should be the GameCube, which was released when I was 13 and current until I was 18.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 22, 2010, 11:13:36 AM
I'm older than you insanolord? That is a little depressing.
I love the N64, but the SNES has more of my favorite games (although my favorite games are on GameCube and Wii).
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: vudu on September 22, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
Well then my favorite should be the GameCube, which was released when I was 13 and current until I was 18.
****--so much for that theory. I'm honestly surprised you like the N64 that much. Personally, I love the N64--it was released when I was 16 so its multiplayer focus took up much of my high school gaming carrier--although not as much as I love the SNES (which came out when I was 11).
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 22, 2010, 02:19:33 PM
The thing with me and the SNES is I never owned one, and neither did any of my closest friends, so I barely played the system, and so I have zero nostalgia for it. Combine that with the fact that since I've been able to play SNES games via GBA and the VC, I've discovered that I really don't like two of its biggest games, Super Mario World and Zelda: LTTP, and it's pretty much my least favorite Nintendo console.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: Mop it up on September 22, 2010, 10:32:40 PM
I was 9 when the Nintendo 64 launched, and 14 when the GameCube launched. The GameCube is actually near the bottom of my list; beyond SSBM and Metroid Prime there isn't all that much on it I felt was special.
I'm older than you insanolord? That is a little depressing.
Just barely. By the sound of it, Vudu is 30, so at least you got that beat easily.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 22, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
With the GameCube, it seems like, for the most part (and with Melee being a huge exception), its games were inferior to their N64 counterparts. I'd definitely take the N64's Mario and Zeldas over the Cube's. But then you've got things like Metroid and Pikmin, which weren't on the N64 and were amazing on the GameCube. Plus the Cube had a better third party lineup within a year than the entire life of the N64.
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 22, 2010, 11:01:49 PM
I was 9 when the Nintendo 64 launched, and 14 when the GameCube launched. The GameCube is actually near the bottom of my list; beyond SSBM and Metroid Prime there isn't all that much on it I felt was special.
The e-Reader was an add-on, so then you'd have to include the 64DD, Famicom Disc System, and possibly even the Game Boy Printer...?
The 64DD and FDS wasn't released in the US. :p Game Boy Printer doesn't accept media or play games... ?
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 22, 2010, 11:33:24 PM
But it prints! On expensive paper!
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: UncleBob on September 23, 2010, 08:05:41 AM
Game Boy Color - 0 (0%) Super Nintendo Entertainment System - 8 (50%) Nintendo Wii - 3 (18.8%) Virtual Boy - 0 (0%) Game Boy - 0 (0%) Nintendo Entertainment System - 0 (0%) Game Boy Advance - 0 (0%) Nintendo DS/DSi - 2 (12.5%) Pokémon Mini - 0 (0%) Nintendo 64 - 3 (18.8%) Nintendo GameCube - 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 16
Title: Re: Series Series - Voting for Round 4 BEGINS!
Post by: UncleBob on September 23, 2010, 08:08:15 AM
Surprised that the DS got as few votes as it did...
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 23, 2010, 10:04:11 AM
I think it's just because people were so found of the SNES. Tough, I guess maybe GameCube.
Just a minor thing, but it's not the "Nintendo Wii".
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: broodwars on September 23, 2010, 10:23:54 AM
I think it's just because people were so found of the SNES. Tough, I guess maybe GameCube.
Just a minor thing, but it's not the "Nintendo Wii".
And it's "GameCube Nintendo" (GCN). :P:
As for this new poll, I'm not sure what I'll vote for. Some of my favorite games were on the GC (Rogue Squadron II, Skies of Arcadia Legends, Baten Kaitos Origins), yet I find myself playing my favorite N64 games more often. I've maybe used the backwards compatibility feature on my Wii a couple times, yet I have played a fair bit of N64 Virtual Console. Hmmm... :-\
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: Stratos on September 23, 2010, 04:47:45 PM
I think the fans have pretty much renamed the 'Gamecube Nintendo' to Nintendo Gamecube. It was a bizarre naming format.
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 23, 2010, 06:12:16 PM
It was always Nintendo GameCube. Why Nintendo had the official abbreviation be "GCN" is unknown (though there is plenty of speculation).
I was merely saying that it's just "Wii", not "Nintendo Wii".
With SNES out, I wonder if NES will get some votes this time.
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: vudu on September 23, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
I was merely saying that it's just "Wii", not "Nintendo Wii".
Actually, it's "Wii console". I remember a marketing Q & A that NOA put out right before the launch that said the system should always be referred to as the "Wii console".
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: Halbred on September 23, 2010, 07:09:41 PM
Had to vote for the DS/DSi. The original DS and the DS Lite play GBA games, so that knocks the GBA itself down a peg or two. The DS is just an extremely versitile system. Gotta love it.
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 24, 2010, 09:52:29 AM
This is a hard vote for me for second. I voted for DS/DSi, but I really wanted to vote for the Wii. I think that may be my vote for 3rd best console.
My voting so far would say:
SNES, DS, Wii, NES, N64, Gameboy Advance
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: Mop it up on September 24, 2010, 05:50:36 PM
According to Nintendo Power magazine, they went with "GCN" because "NGC" was already trademarked.
I'm really not surprised that the Super NES won, and not just because it's often mentioned as people's favourite. That era really was a golden age of gaming, brought on by Nintendo and Sega constantly trying to outdo one another. Like Ian Sane said in another thread, the Super NES was the first time that hardware limitations didn't get in the way of game design. And that's why its games will stand the test of time.
Title: Re: Series Series - SNES Best system of all time ever!
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 09:28:36 AM
Game Boy Color - 0 (0%) Nintendo Wii - 4 (20%) Virtual Boy - 0 (0%) Game Boy - 0 (0%) Nintendo Entertainment System - 1 (5%) Game Boy Advance - 0 (0%) Nintendo DS/DSi - 7 (35%) Pokémon Mini - 1 (5%) Nintendo 64 - 5 (25%) Nintendo GameCube - 2 (10%)
Total Members Voted: 20
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 09:33:14 AM
With the obvious #1 and #2 out of the way, I'm interested in what comes up as #3. I had a hard time deciding, but finally settled on the GameCube.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 26, 2010, 11:32:42 AM
I would have gone DS at #3, going with GameCube.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 26, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Going with Wii once again.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 26, 2010, 10:28:06 PM
Maybe I should change to Wii, mainly because I can play all of my GameCube games on the Wii anyways.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: broodwars on September 26, 2010, 10:28:20 PM
Going with the N64 again.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Khushrenada on September 27, 2010, 01:48:27 AM
With the obvious #1 and #2 out of the way, I'm interested in what comes up as #3. I had a hard time deciding, but finally settled on the GameCube.
Same here. The SNES, DS and Gamecube are the 3 systems I would have the hardest giving up. I can honestly say that I if I had to give up all other Nintendo systems and could only play the games released for those three systems, I'd be ok with that.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Mop it up on September 27, 2010, 02:55:13 AM
Maybe I should change to Wii, mainly because I can play all of my GameCube games on the Wii anyways.
I don't think the logic of which games you can play on Wii should apply, because you can also play games from NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, and many other systems. Sure, unlike GameCube you have to pay to play those, but still, I'd judge it by the games made specifically for it.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Stratos on September 27, 2010, 03:40:30 AM
Brood loves Ogre Battle 64 we know.
Still pushing for N64.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: broodwars on September 27, 2010, 07:15:17 AM
Ogre Battle 64 (naturally ;) ), The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Tooie, Jet Force Gemini, and Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness. There are other games I have enjoyed over the years, but I don't enjoy them as much anymore (Donkey Kong 64, Goldeneye 007, Mario Kart 64, Super Mario 64, Conker's Bad Fur Day, etc.). I know I'm forgetting something, though...
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Stratos on September 27, 2010, 08:03:51 AM
Was Castlevania really that good? I've been curious of it but I heard it was terrible. Or am I mixing up the first one and that second 'directors cut' version?
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: broodwars on September 27, 2010, 09:30:49 AM
Was Castlevania really that good? I've been curious of it but I heard it was terrible. Or am I mixing up the first one and that second 'directors cut' version?
Neither version of Castlevania 64 (and for the record, the one I like is the second "Director's Cut": Legacy of Darkness) is generally well-regarded, though I enjoyed both of them at the time. Both games have severe camera problems and some annoying platforming. Still, the atmosphere is generally excellent, the action is decent, and the music is as good as ever. They're not great games, but I don't think they're as bad as people say they are. I think people generally are just inclined to hate them because (a) they're not 2D and (b) they're not Symphony of the Night.
Speaking of Symphony of the Night, I have that on my PS3 and I really should get around to playing that...
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 27, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
I am going for Wii. The virtual console and the new interface makes it amazing.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 27, 2010, 12:33:22 PM
I don't think the logic of which games you can play on Wii should apply, because you can also play games from NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, and many other systems. Sure, unlike GameCube you have to pay to play those, but still, I'd judge it by the games made specifically for it.
I think the Virtual Console does count to a certain degree since it contains a lot of great games that people never got to play and are virtually impossible for anyone to find now a days.
Being able to buy something like Sin and Punishment for only $11 would not have been possible for over 99.9% of people before the Wii came out. Same thing with some of the TurboGraphic CD games like Ys and Lords of Thunder. These things used to cost over $100 dollars by themselves only 5 years ago on Ebay, which was the only way to find them, but now can be easily bought for around 10 bucks.
So even though these games are not technically Wii games, the fact that the Wii is the only legal way to buy and play them for a price that won't cost you a Kidney makes it a valid part of the Wii when comparing it to other Nintendo systems.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Mop it up on September 27, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
It still isn't a Wii game. It is up to the individual to decide their reasons for their voting choice, but I don't subscribe to that logic.
Everyone always forgets something! But it's interesting how most people don't go beyond Nintendo-published titles, because I feel there's a lot out there no one recognizes due to the lack of "Nintendo" on the box. Though you mention Castlevania, which is a nice surprise. I also get the feeling that people rated it low because of the changes to the formula. It's actually the game I'll be playing next, and the remake right after, I look forward to trying them.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2010, 01:00:28 AM
Ok, lets get this straight. This poll is the BEST NINTENDO SYSTEM. Not best series of games for a system.
We are looking at what the entire system has to offer and voting which is the best system and offers the best most exciting contents, games, features. And the Virtual Console as well as the WiiWare service are outstanding features to the Wii. And was a feature that was supported day one.
What other Nintendo system can you play Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, and Turbo Graphics 16 games on? That is right none, unless they were ported later. So the feature and all those games available for download at a reduced price, with brand new save features with game pausing should count towards the features of the system and therefore the ranking of the system.
I know when I voted DS I was looking at the complete package of the DS...including the models that let you play the gameboy advance games.
Features are features...and in this contest it should be valued into the vote.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 28, 2010, 01:03:26 AM
I could give up the Gamecube easily. To me the 3 Nintendo Systems that are the hardest to give up are the DS lite, SNES, and Wii.
All 3 of those systems are amazing and represent the best of Nintendo's past, future, and portability.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Mop it up on September 28, 2010, 01:40:56 AM
Like I said, it is up to the individual to decide their reasons for voting. If those are the reasons behind your choices, then that's fine, but you don't speak for everyone. I, myself, couldn't care less about the features of a system, or what games it is capable of playing, I judge a system based on its exclusive games. This would include things like WiiWare and DSiWare games, but backwards compatibility and the Virtual Console are not relevant. To me, the exclusives define the system.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 28, 2010, 06:34:45 PM
Looks like Wii won with N64 and Gamecube taking 2nd and 3rd.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Mop it up on September 28, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
I'm actually a little surprised that the Wii got so many votes, considering its numbers in the previous two polls. Oh well, it was going to be my second pick, so this doesn't matter to me. I'm actually glad a good number of other people out there feel it has a lot of good games, because there are a lot of games on it I like, myself.
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: Stratos on September 30, 2010, 01:29:10 AM
Wow. This poll has turned some interesting results so far.
Still gonna stump for N64
Title: Re: Series Series - DS at #2 - Voting for 3, now!
Post by: UncleBob on October 06, 2010, 11:38:15 PM
Whoops. Someone forgot to remind me...
Game Boy Color - 0 (0%) Nintendo Wii - 9 (40.9%) Virtual Boy - 0 (0%) Game Boy - 0 (0%) Nintendo Entertainment System - 2 (9.1%) Game Boy Advance - 1 (4.5%) Pokémon Mini - 1 (4.5%) Nintendo 64 - 5 (22.7%) Nintendo GameCube - 4 (18.2%)
Total Members Voted: 22
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: Mop it up on October 06, 2010, 11:52:38 PM
Where's Maxi when you need him most?
I'm kind of surprised to see Wii place already. I was under the impression everyone here hated it... well not really, but they seem to criticize an awful lot! Hate the one you love?
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 07, 2010, 11:31:11 AM
Huh I could of sworn I posted something back before it became October...
Also why is the poll ending on the 8th Unclebob thats like tomorrow.
For now I am going to vote for the Gameboy
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 07, 2010, 07:07:31 PM
Voted for the original NES.
The game library, the history of established franchises that were created on that system, and the sheer longevity of the system makes it a winner in my book. Plus, if you look back the system has so many classics that are still loved and cherished today like no other system.
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: UncleBob on October 07, 2010, 07:11:39 PM
The poll is set for two days. As far as when I get around to resetting it, that's a different story. ;)
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 14, 2010, 08:40:51 PM
I am surprised to see Nintendo 64 get so much respect and love. I mean it was a great system, but the history of the Nintendo 64 people see it as the starting decline of Nintendo's popularity because the medium they chose was so expensive.
I personally had no problem with carts back then, but I remember they were expensive. Still my vote was for the NES for reasons I posted. I am will be happy if N64 wins this round though.
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: Stratos on October 15, 2010, 04:21:48 AM
It may have been the decline of Nintendo as a company but that doesn't change the quality and enjoyment of the games released for the system. And really, it was more a decline of the 3rd parties. Nintendo always has released great games.
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: Mop it up on October 16, 2010, 07:20:17 PM
It's nice to finally see the Nintendo 64 place. I'm not sure where I'll go from here, since my number 2 and 3 are already done with.
The Nintendo 64 may have caused Nintendo to lose the market-leading position, but that doesn't mean that it didn't have a lot of great games. Also, when people say that it was a mistake to use cartridges for the system, I think that's easy to say now with almost 15 years of hindsight. Back in 1996, every CD system had failed miserably, and the PlayStation and Sega Saturn were struggling as well. For the 14th anniversary of the Nintendo 64, I wrote an editorial about Nintendo's decision, (http://www.pixlbit.com/features?action=showFeature&featureId=223) check it out if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Series Series - Wii in Third - Next Round finally up!
Post by: vudu on October 19, 2010, 02:29:26 PM
