Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Kytim89 on April 22, 2010, 07:59:25 PM
Title: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on April 22, 2010, 07:59:25 PM
I have been looking around this forum for a while have not seen any mention of the upcoming sequel to The Force Unleashed. A few months ago I saw a revealt trailer at the Spike video awards. There is no doubt that the game will be made for the HD consoles, but the wii willl get its due. However, looking back on the first wii game made by Krome studios, I can not help but say that if the wii game is to be released, it must be of better quality than its predacessor.
The first is graphics, the first game was generally good graphics wise, but with such games as Monster Hunter 3 and No More Heroes 2 along with the first party games, there is no excuse for the Unleashed 2 to inferior in the graphics department. The cutscenes for the first game were kind of lazy, they should be better animated for the sequel.
Next we have the controls. To me it was kind of a pain in the ass to constantly swing the wiimote to attack. I would much prefer the style of No More Heroes and since Starkiller will be dual wielding light sabers in this one, it makes it all the better. Secondly, motion plus should be added in some where to make the controls more precise.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2010, 08:17:05 PM
1. It doesn't exist.
2. If Lucas Arts makes a Wii game, it's going to be lazy.
3. If you ask for Motion Plus, expect to swing the controller the entire damn time.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 22, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
Supposedly LucasArts wanted to put Wii MotionPlus in the first game, but Nintendo announced Wii MotionPlus only two months before it came out (since most of the major publishers said that they didn't find out about it until Nintendo announced it in that press release in July 2008).
Ningurl, what makes you think the Wii version (which is basically confirmed; a Tweet from LucasArts linked to the Amazon listing, which includes a Wii version) would be lazy? The Wii version got practically the same review scores: the Xbox 360 version average 73.82%, the Wii version 73.35%, the PlayStation 3 version 72.5%.
As for your third point, we can't tell because Wii MotionPlus support has not been confirmed.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on April 22, 2010, 11:10:31 PM
According the game's web site it coming out on PS3, 360, wii, DS and PSP. I just thought the first game for the wii was kind of lazily produces and want better quality for the wii sequel. I mean the wii is no HD console, but it is no last generation console either. There is much they could do to make this game specieal.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: ShyGuy on April 23, 2010, 01:32:59 AM
The graphics were lazy, but the controls were really good. The rest of the gameplay was pretty similar between versions.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 23, 2010, 01:45:20 AM
Apparently the June issue of Gamepro is going to have some info on this. Anybody got a subscription to Gamepro?
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 23, 2010, 01:50:28 AM
I played the original recently and liked it enough to buy it, although with my various discounts and credits it only cost me $4. The sequel and its use of Motion+ gives them a real opportunity to differentiate the Wii version from the others and give people a reason to buy it instead of (or in addition to) the 360/PS3 version.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 23, 2010, 02:29:27 AM
Differentiate from what, a SMove/Natal version?
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 23, 2010, 02:46:55 AM
How exactly would the Natal version work? Do you pick up a broomstick and swing it wildly around the room?
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2010, 02:51:22 AM
Maybe I was about to make a thread about it and then searched to discover one was already made or something.
Is Krome confirmed to be making the sequel? I have high hopes for what they can do with M+ and more time with the Wii. Prettier graphics is a must.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 27, 2010, 12:44:47 PM
Oh boy I can't wait for George Lucas to green light some more canon raping!
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 28, 2010, 09:40:02 AM
The only stuff guaranteed canon are the movies. Stuff like the extended universe and the first Force Unleashed games are secondary canon (meaning that they are canon, except when they contradict something from the movies. If the movie says one thing and something in the extended universe says something else, the movie is considered correct).
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on April 28, 2010, 11:21:47 AM
I hope that Krome Studios does not return to develop the sequel. Perhaps Lucasarts could find a more competent studio to do the work. After seeing such games as No More Heroes2 and Monster Hunter 3 there is no reason why the graphics for this game should be bad.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 28, 2010, 03:11:46 PM
The only stuff guaranteed canon are the movies. Stuff like the extended universe and the first Force Unleashed games are secondary canon (meaning that they are canon, except when they contradict something from the movies. If the movie says one thing and something in the extended universe says something else, the movie is considered correct).
Everything by Lucasarts is the same as movie canon.
And regardless of the status of the EU, the fact is that the entire storyline of the first game was... how shall I put it...
FUCKING GAY
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 29, 2010, 10:47:42 PM
The canon system for Star Wars is a mess. I much prefer that of Star Trek, where if it didn't happen on camera it doesn't count, even though there are several novels I'd love to be canon.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 30, 2010, 01:21:46 PM
If George Lucas had actually cared about the universe he created past RotJ, the canon wouldn't be such a mess. Greenlight things that are canon, put a stop to things that aren't. It's not that hard. Unfortunately, he's a money hungry f***er, and he greenlights anything that will make him more cash.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2010, 01:46:50 PM
All they would have to do is something like Paramount does. All of the live action shows and the 11 movies are canon (the Animated Series is not, most of the 11th movie takes place in a alternate timeline and thus doesn't screw up the real timeline). This means Star Trek novel writers, comic writers, game developers, etc. can do almost anything they want (obviously they need approval, Paramount would not allow something like sex stories) without messing up the canon.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: ShyGuy on April 30, 2010, 02:13:09 PM
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Stratos on April 30, 2010, 06:16:33 PM
There is actually a person at Lucasfilm who has the job of accepting if something is of cannon or not. Everything now being made is pretty much accepted as cannon. Any new stuff has to go through her and she corrects mistaken facts and chooses what of the old stuff is accepted as cannon. Before that there was a good deal of confusion on the matter and a lot of pathetic stuff was made.
Old comics are not cannon but parts of them have been taken as cannon in their own way. I can even point out things in the prequel trilogy that are specifically from the old comics.
A general rule of thumb is that the full novels are cannon but childrens books, games and comics are not unless there is a specific mention of them in the novels. Kyle Katarn is cannon, Exar Kun is as well. Those were originally game and comic inspired characters.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 30, 2010, 11:17:52 PM
All they would have to do is something like Paramount does. All of the live action shows and the 11 movies are canon (the Animated Series is not, most of the 11th movie takes place in a alternate timeline and thus doesn't screw up the real timeline). This means Star Trek novel writers, comic writers, game developers, etc. can do almost anything they want (obviously they need approval, Paramount would not allow something like sex stories) without messing up the canon.
Gene Roddenberry insisted that the novels and the animated series not be canon, and because of that there's all kinds of contradictory stuff in the old ones. In the last 10-15 years they've been pretty careful about what happens in the novels and the vast majority of stuff from that era fits in just fine with established canon, but it would be even more of a mess than Star Wars if some novels were canon and others weren't.
I personally consider Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels' Enterprise relaunch novels, as well as Greg Cox's Eugenics Wars novels, to be canonical, even though they aren't officially part of it.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on May 01, 2010, 01:01:23 AM
The biggest question I have to ask is how did Starkiller survive the explosion and make it out of the death star? I am speculating that the Emperor kept his body in stasis thinking that he may have been still alive or he was keeping him for research. Either was Starkiller probably escaped from the empire and is now earning a living by competing in an arena battle colliseum.
I hope that development team bring back the shadow guard, those guys in the back armor with light saber pikes. They were very kick ass and I would love to take them on again. I would bet that the Emporer dispatches them to capture or kill Starkiller and his allies.
A rematch with Vader and the Emperor is a definent possibility. I can not but wonder if this game will allow you to kill Vader, or spare him? Although it would seem like too much of a rehash to follow in the same foot steps as the first game.
One more thing that would make the game good is if Shaak Ti was still alive. I know that she swallowed up by the mega sarlac on Felucia, but she could have some how escaped like Boba Fett.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 01, 2010, 01:03:57 AM
For the love of god, does no one use spoiler tags anymore?! I'm currently in the middle of playing the first one!
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on May 01, 2010, 01:40:09 AM
All they would have to do is something like Paramount does. All of the live action shows and the 11 movies are canon (the Animated Series is not, most of the 11th movie takes place in a alternate timeline and thus doesn't screw up the real timeline). This means Star Trek novel writers, comic writers, game developers, etc. can do almost anything they want (obviously they need approval, Paramount would not allow something like sex stories) without messing up the canon.
Gene Roddenberry insisted that the novels and the animated series not be canon, and because of that there's all kinds of contradictory stuff in the old ones. In the last 10-15 years they've been pretty careful about what happens in the novels and the vast majority of stuff from that era fits in just fine with established canon, but it would be even more of a mess than Star Wars if some novels were canon and others weren't.
I personally consider Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels' Enterprise relaunch novels, as well as Greg Cox's Eugenics Wars novels, to be canonical, even though they aren't officially part of it.
Just remember that none of the novels (or anything they contain), even the novelizations of the films, are canon. If it didn't happen in one of the live action TV series or movies, then it us no more canonical than fanscripts on the Internet. Some of the novels are pretty good and I hope that they start a new TV series (set in the real timeline, not this BS alternate timeline), this way they could make canon stuff like Bajor officially joining the Federation like they did in the DS9 re-launch novels. Roddenberry used to change his mind all the time on what was and wasn't canon. Things get more complex when you consider than some stuff has un-officially been decanonized (like the widely hated Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, which has had most of its content contradicted by later movies/shows as Paramount tries to ignore the movie.
But like you said, Paramount decided to play it safe and just say that all novels are not canon. This prevents the mess that Lucasfilm has with Star Wars novels and the "Expanded Universe".
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: ShyGuy on May 01, 2010, 09:36:46 PM
I watched the teaser trailer for this game. How is he gonna kill the giant monkey thing? His laser swords aren't long enough.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on May 02, 2010, 12:50:34 AM
I watched the teaser trailer for this game. How is he gonna kill the giant monkey thing? His laser swords aren't long enough.
I imagine that the boss battle will be something like that of God of War 3. The boss battle will be massive with quick time events that involve Starkiller attacking the beast at vital areas. You can bet your last dollar that this creature will be exclusive to the HD consoles because I do not see it happening on the wii due to hard ware restrictions. Although something like the boass battles of Monster Hunter 3 could work. You will most likely fight a basic rancor in the arena on the wii version.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2010, 12:59:27 AM
I watched the teaser trailer for this game. How is he gonna kill the giant monkey thing? His laser swords aren't long enough.
I imagine that the boss battle will be something like that of God of War 3. The boss battle will be massive with quick time events that involve Starkiller attacking the beast at vital areas. You can bet your last dollar that this creature will be exclusive to the HD consoles because I do not see it happening on the wii due to hard ware restrictions. Although something like the boass battles of Monster Hunter 3 could work. You will most likely fight a basic rancor in the arena on the wii version.
Gee.... I wonder how the Epic boss battles worked in GoW 1 & 2 not to mention ICO and whatever else on the PS2.... poor Wii for not being able to handle such a task.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on May 02, 2010, 11:27:37 AM
I watched the teaser trailer for this game. How is he gonna kill the giant monkey thing? His laser swords aren't long enough.
I imagine that the boss battle will be something like that of God of War 3. The boss battle will be massive with quick time events that involve Starkiller attacking the beast at vital areas. You can bet your last dollar that this creature will be exclusive to the HD consoles because I do not see it happening on the wii due to hard ware restrictions. Although something like the boass battles of Monster Hunter 3 could work. You will most likely fight a basic rancor in the arena on the wii version.
Gee.... I wonder how the Epic boss battles worked in GoW 1 & 2 not to mention ICO and whatever else on the PS2.... poor Wii for not being able to handle such a task.
I forgot about that, but I can imagine the developer for the game thinking that the wii is inferior enough to not be able to handle such boss battles.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Kytim89 on May 09, 2010, 05:04:11 PM
Apparently Darth Vader is going to clone Starkiller on Kamino and engineer him to more servile towards him and the Emperor. Starkiller's old memories begin to manifest and he eventually turns on Vader again and teams up with his allies. So the old Starkiller could be called Big Bosskiller and the clone is Solid Starkiller along with a rival called Liquid Starkiller. I see where this series is going.
Title: Re: Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2
Post by: Stratos on May 09, 2010, 06:16:07 PM
Apparently Darth Vader is going to clone Starkiller on Kamino and engineer him to more servile towards him and the Emperor. Starkiller's old memories begin to manifest and he eventually turns on Vader again and teams up with his allies. So the old Starkiller could be called Big Bosskiller and the clone is Solid Starkiller along with a rival called Liquid Starkiller. I see where this series is going.
You had a somewhat believable premise to me until you started dropping Metal Gear names...
