Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: Kytim89 on April 04, 2010, 12:31:20 PM
Title: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Kytim89 on April 04, 2010, 12:31:20 PM
With Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft battling it out for supremacy in the home console market and Sony and Nintendo jockying for position as the leader of the hand held market. Well, what if Microsoft entered the hand held market while Apple entered the home console market.
The Apple console would be calle the "Core"(no pun intended). ;D It would have the appearance of th ipad, but have graphical out put of the PS3.
It seems as if Microsoft will eventually enter the handheld market with a portable Xbox to battle the PSP 2 and 3DS.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 04, 2010, 01:51:52 PM
Apple already entered the Console market with the Frodo or something... it failed.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: ShyGuy on April 04, 2010, 02:58:13 PM
I think Android has the potential to become the fourth hand held game market.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 03:20:47 PM
I think Android has the potential to become the fourth hand held game market.
It's also why I think that if there was a PSPhone, Sony would use Android to help stomp out iPhone as the market share leader.
PSPhone, the only phone that allows you play Playstation(R) games and access the Android Market. Seems like a winning more successful strategy(than what they are currently doing) to me.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Mop it up on April 04, 2010, 03:30:51 PM
There's no room for another competitor, the market is already too crowded as is.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 04, 2010, 04:24:15 PM
Apple already entered the Console market with the Frodo or something... it failed.
Wasn't it the Pippin or did they try more than once?
The Apple Bandai Pippin. Apple only designed it, they never actually produced it themselves. They intended to just license the technology (similar to what Trip Hawkins did with the 3DO, he just designed the system and then licensed it out to companies like Panasonic and GoldStar). Less than 100,000 systems were manufactured and the only major publisher was Bandai.
ShyGuy, how would Android be a system? It is just a operating system, not a hardware system. There are also only 2 handheld systems (iPod Touch and iPhone have gaming capabilities, but it is not their primary function. DVD players can also play games, but they are not considered game systems). Assuming Sony makes a PlayStation Portable with phone capabilities (like some fans speculate they will), it will not beat Apple or Nintendo.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 04:41:51 PM
Shyguy never said anything about Android being a "system". He implied that it would be the 4th handheld gaming platform next to the DS, PSP and iPhone.
I think a smart move for Sony would be to assist boost Android in the battle against iPhone while simultaneously confronting the 3DS with the PSP2 by using Android as the base software in their PSPhone/PSP2. That would put Sony right in the middle of everyone else just like with the motion control situation.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Kytim89 on April 04, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
I have been speculating that Microsoft would enter the hand held scene for a long time and I am surprised that they have not done so already. I would not be surprised if the xbox portable was not revealed at this years E3. Microsoft is Sony's primary rival with the home consoles and it would seem logical on their part to rival them with a hand held. Also, Microsoft is one of a few companies that have not challenged Nintendo's hand held dominance. And no, the Zune does not count as a Xbox hand held.
Second, Nintendo should offer skype in case Sony does put a phone service on the next PSP. It would be a cheaper alternative for both Nnitendo and the consumer and it would provide wireless communication for games.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 05:18:50 PM
MS will not enter the portable game machine market. There is less room for success there than in the home console market and they have yet to make an actual profit there yet.
Nintendo has an iron grip on the market and even with competition from both the iPhone and the PSP. The iPhone is eating into the PSP's market share and all either do is bookend the massive DS market in the middle that pushes towards the outer edges.
Unless MS has something that is gonna blow PSP and iPhone out of the market, then they would be better to just grow their Windows Mobile platform & Zune market slowly until the time is right to enter. in other words, not any time soon.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: MegaByte on April 04, 2010, 06:13:01 PM
If this research firm is at all accurate, Apple is more significant than you think... (http://blog.flurry.com/Portals/41620/images//iPhone_USportableGameShare_2009.png)
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 06:18:12 PM
I've seen that (what I was basing my whole post off of) and if you add in the actual software sales figures then you might see that the market expanded and iPhone was eating into PSP's sales, not the DS.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: ThePerm on April 04, 2010, 07:06:49 PM
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: MegaByte on April 04, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
Actually, go here (http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/04/whoa-apple-reveals-amazing-gaming-accessories-in-the-works.html) for a better idea of what they're thinking. No, it's not an April Fools joke.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
Actually, go here (http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/04/whoa-apple-reveals-amazing-gaming-accessories-in-the-works.html) for a better idea of what they're thinking. No, it's not an April Fools joke.
I'm sorry, but I read about 1/2 of that and Apple is crazy if they think everyone is gonna have 20 different shells and hubs to plug their iPhone/Ipod Touch into so that it can be whatever I want it to be.
I would need a cabinet full of attachments and a room house full of Apple products. Not gonna happen.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: MegaByte on April 04, 2010, 11:13:50 PM
Of course not. But they're going to patent every possible option so that they can choose which to use at their leisure. That's assuming any of them could get past anti-button Jobs.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Spinnzilla on April 05, 2010, 12:07:51 AM
Actually, go here (http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/04/whoa-apple-reveals-amazing-gaming-accessories-in-the-works.html) for a better idea of what they're thinking. No, it's not an April Fools joke.
I'm sorry, but I read about 1/2 of that and Apple is crazy if they think everyone is gonna have 20 different shells and hubs to plug their iPhone/Ipod Touch into so that it can be whatever I want it to be.
I would need a cabinet full of attachments and a room house full of Apple products. Not gonna happen.
Well, if the Apple hardcore is like the Nintendo hardcore they already have a cabinet full of Apple products they don't use anymore because they've upgraded to the new yearly interations. Which there are plenty of Apple Hardcore (I have friends who are) buy the new editions every year.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Morari on April 05, 2010, 12:45:19 AM
Apple zealots will buy anything labeled with a lowercase "i" and a sleek, white exterior. Never mind the price or lack of capabilities!
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2010, 12:46:20 AM
But would you really want to plug your iPhone into a shell for everything?
a gameboy shell, a ds shell, a remote control shell, etc. etc.
I don't know if that's what they were leading towards, but that's what it seemed like in the article/patent.
Why not just design the device to be more universal and have an ultra thin slide out keyboard or just have a few buttons and a directional input. Make the device capable of communicating with other devices through apps and not through the need of shells or anything other than give the iPhone Wiimote syndrome with all the plug in devices to give it more functionality.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Kytim89 on April 05, 2010, 12:46:32 AM
As much of a xbox hater as I am, I find the idea of a xbox portable quite appealing. The idea of playing Halo, Gears of War, Mass Effect and Fable on the go seems pretty good. Althought the machine would probably RROD in a short period of time. :cool;
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: ThePerm on April 05, 2010, 12:49:49 AM
lol when Nintendo announced DS, i thought DS was going to be like that
If this research firm is at all accurate, Apple is more significant than you think... (http://blog.flurry.com/Portals/41620/images//iPhone_USportableGameShare_2009.png)
Looks like Apple is chewing into the PSP market while completely ignoring the DS.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: JoshuaGaler on April 05, 2010, 05:40:31 AM
I think that still the google is left to enter in market. They are like tortoise which steadily and slowly enters in market and will make their place in between all. As it is competitive market it becomes really difficult to judge which one is at the top and which will be kick out of market.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 05, 2010, 02:24:29 PM
Looks like Nintendo is finally getting some serious competition in the handheld arena, and who would have thought this serious competition wouldn't be from the PSP?
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Guitar Smasher on April 05, 2010, 04:42:33 PM
Or perhaps the market is growing, i.e. people who weren't interested in DS in the first place are getting into iPhone.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: ShyGuy on April 05, 2010, 04:47:59 PM
I think people can justify buying an iPhone more than they can justify a dedicated gaming system cause that's for children.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: D_Average on April 05, 2010, 08:44:45 PM
I think people can justify buying an iPhone more than they can justify a dedicated gaming system cause that's for children.
Plus the iphone is more convenient. You don't have to decide to take it with you, and if so, which games to grab. That is my issue with the DS and PSP, I never feel like lugging it around. So this gen, I've spent the vast majority of my handheld gaming time with Iphone games that are not as good as the DS and PSP games I own but never play.
The iPad is even more of a decision, in terms of bringing it with you for the day. That said, I don't think it'll beat out even the iPhone for portable gaming. Even though I would love the new version of Geometry Wars with it.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Morari on April 05, 2010, 09:00:25 PM
As much of a xbox hater as I am, I find the idea of a xbox portable quite appealing. The idea of playing Halo, Gears of War, Mass Effect and Fable on the go seems pretty good.
I can already play all of those on the go. It's called a laptop! :P
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
this is the Direction the iPhone should take http://www.flickr.com/photos/angel-art-3d/3403901215/
the same direction many other phones that wanted big touchscreens but realized buttons might be a good thing too took.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: ThePerm on April 06, 2010, 04:21:27 PM
thatd be good for gaming, as far as i can tell Apple is the biggest threat to Nintendo in the longrun of handhelds, but the pc has never really threatened the console. Apples line would be the pc of handhelds. Microsoft seems like they are not ready to jump into the handheld business because Nintendo is too dominant, they have said something to that extant.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2010, 05:27:54 PM
Apple could force their hand though.
Zune was already trying to mark out a section of the iPod market for itself, I have no idea how that's going, but iPod has already moved into phones and now gaming, so I think MS would have to do something crazy to even compete.
Windows Mobile 7 is their phone platform. -it plays games and it has apps. Currently sitting at 3rd or 4th in the market behind iPhone, Android and possibly Palm Pre Zune is their Portable Media Player -Plays music, movies and a limited amount of games.
MS has invested in 3D tech a while back, but the would have to merge their XNA developing platform with WM7 and the Zune department to come up with something to compete with Apple and even then, there is no built in audience for any of that.
They will need to keep making inroads from multiple angles until they have an audience for their platform and a platform for that audience. A portable Zune360 Phone doesn't have a market that would guarantee any sort of success and therefore would be too costly to push right now.
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: Louieturkey on April 08, 2010, 04:08:02 PM
They will need to keep making inroads from multiple angles until they have an audience for their platform and a platform for that audience. A portable Zune360 Phone doesn't have a market that would guarantee any sort of success and therefore would be too costly to push right now.
They did a demo at GDC where they took a game that they could transfer the save from the PC to the phone and then to the 360 all while keeping the same place you left off previously. Their portable system will be the phones that use the Phone 7 OS and you can transfer saves between that and the PC and the 360. I don't think the Zune is in the equation at this point, but I wouldn't be surprised if the next Zune uses some aspect of the Phone 7 OS. They are also integrating the Zune marketplace into the 360 so I think connectivity between all their systems is what they are striving for now.
So it looks like they are trying to build a market by first introducing it with the Phone 7 OS. My guess is that the Phone 7 OS phones will be able to access the Zune store and control the 360 dashboard remotely. They seem to be making a market from multiple angles I guess. I really don't think they'll ever release a dedicated portable gaming machine though. It's not feasible with the competition (including themselves).
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: ThePerm on April 08, 2010, 08:03:58 PM
lol that feature only sounds like features addicts need that travel
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2010, 10:37:33 PM
I've got to hand it to Microsoft: given their history, I wouldn't have expected them to realize that they couldn't beat Nintendo in the handheld arena. It seems like all the smart people in the company work in the Xbox division (except not in the part of the Xbox division that designs the hardware).
Title: Re: New Additions to the Console Wars
Post by: ThePerm on April 09, 2010, 01:10:35 AM
the shell or the chips, i think the shell looks sleek
