Post by: )Dark-LInk( on April 24, 2003, 01:15:34 PM
Post by: Zelda on April 24, 2003, 01:19:06 PM
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 24, 2003, 01:20:58 PM
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 24, 2003, 01:26:02 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 24, 2003, 01:49:25 PM
Still, while you can argue about the profitability of online gaming all you want, it's foolish for Nintendo to completely ignore the online market. All I'm asking for is a simple matchmaking service for peer-to-peer multiplayer in games like Mario Kart and F-Zero. That sort of setup would be quite cheap compared to something like PSO. Nintendo has this attitude that all online solutions are ridiculously unprofitable which is dumb. Huge online RPGs are unprofitable. Simple online multiplayer in games that can also be played offline are not going to break the bank. Losing a huge chunk of a future market to the competition just to save a few bucks in the present doesn't make sense.
It's f*cking cartridges and CDs all over again. A new technology starts becoming popular and Nintendo ignores it to save a few bucks.
Post by: BobbyRobby on April 24, 2003, 02:22:26 PM
Post by: Ninja X on April 24, 2003, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: The Omen on April 24, 2003, 02:44:35 PM
Post by: joeamis on April 24, 2003, 02:49:22 PM
what wishes were those?
simply that mario kart and f zero would be online
just 2 games...thats all i wanted...
but NOOOOOOOOO, nintendo is being stubbornly old fashioned...
that is about the harshest thing ive said about them because i love them
but i can't understand why they wont do anything online
it seems to me they included the broadband and modem adapters simply for
3rd party games... i cant believe it
how much money would they lose by having two games online?
they would make money on the adapters and they could even offer
exclusive add ons (for small $) to the games from their networks, i just dont understand it
i dont even know for sure now if its just a cost concern... i digress GRRRRRRRRRRRr
currently playin metroid prime, metroid fusion, tactics ogre knight of lodis, and zelda wW
Post by: rpglover on April 24, 2003, 02:51:14 PM
they have basically said that they will probably not show much if any and will show some of their lan-play games
personally i dont like online gaming that much so it doesnt bother me any
i like how nintendo is running business now- they make money and give us gamers the games we need to play
i would like to see a better ad campaign though- the gc with a free game deal highered their sales alot and hopefully they keep that up for a while
i dont think they need to price cut their system yet, but when the other systems do i think nintendo knows that it will be about time to do it
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 24, 2003, 02:52:28 PM
Post by: joeamis on April 24, 2003, 03:06:16 PM
friends move away, others dont play videogames
youre left in solitude, so online is your only source for multiplay
plus you get to play people from all over the country,
and people of high skill level in each game
and generally online has more modes of play
i for one absolutely love online gaming, in a few weeks ill be putting my ps2 online
id much rather it be nintendo though.... *sniff sniff*
curr playin metroid prime, metroid fusion, tactics ogre knight of lodis, zelda WW
Post by: Bloodworth on April 24, 2003, 03:22:50 PM
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Originally posted by: BobbyRobby
I think 10% of X-Box owners in America are hooked up to X-Box Live. That's not too shabby. I also think its foolish for Nintendo to ignore the market for online.
Considering that the XBox market is the prime target for online gaming, that's got to make you wonder. This topic's been beat to death people. Nintendo isn't being "old fashioned" They've tinkered with online gaming for years, and that's likely why they're more cautious about it. While everyone else thinks online gaming is the "next big thing," Nintendo has done enough behind-the-scenes work to make them skeptical. I'd think that doing simple matchmaking setups would be easy enough, but who knows?
Post by: kennyb27 on April 24, 2003, 03:51:42 PM
QuoteProbably, a lot. Having two online games and a server system to support just those two games would be stupid. The audience for online games in general is small, and then to restrict that market to only one type of game would make it even smaller. With server costs and marketing, it would not be worth it.
how much money would they lose by having two games online?
Post by: Cap on April 24, 2003, 03:55:38 PM
Post by: aoi tsuki on April 24, 2003, 03:58:47 PM
The Omen: When did MS say they expected Nintendo to release their plan? If they do, great, but i'm not holding my breath. Remember Megaton? ^_^
Post by: Locke Cole on April 24, 2003, 04:16:31 PM
Post by: Wesisapie on April 24, 2003, 04:30:33 PM
Shoot everything/everyone
Slash everything/everyone
Try to level up, even though levelling isn't fun.
Everyone wants to be the hero when they play games, and online games make you just another person.
Post by: mouse_clicker on April 24, 2003, 04:33:15 PM
Post by: joeamis on April 24, 2003, 05:11:49 PM
First off, Nintendo is a business and in order to stay in that business, they need to be profitable. I completely agree with Bloodworth, Nintendo is not stupid, they have surely looked thoroughly at online plans, and to them (believe me, they have a lot more information than we do) it isn't worth it. If truly only 10% of Xbox gamers go online, this number will sharply drop for GCN, it is a different audience.
you're trying to say less than 10% of Gamecube owners would go online if they had titles like
Mario Kart, F-Zero, Animal Crossing 2, 1080 avalanche, Soul Calibur 2, and Pikmin 2 online?!?!
thats just absurd...sorry but i had to say it
i would have to think that xbox only has 10% due to the actual cost there is- to be on xbox live...
Post by: The Omen on April 24, 2003, 05:12:19 PM
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The Omen: When did MS say they expected Nintendo to release their plan? If they do, great, but i'm not holding my breath. Remember Megaton? ^_^
They said so after last years E-3. Basically, they called Nintendo a wolf in sheeps clothing when it comes to online. Also, if you consider all of the great news for the GC this year, with more to come, and scrunch it all together, it comes pretty close to a megaton, doesn't it?. It's just spread out.
Post by: kennyb27 on April 24, 2003, 05:24:53 PM
QuoteI definitely don't think any more than 10% would go online. Sadly the audience that supports the Gamecube does not have the budget for an online monthly fee, even if those games were online. Even if more than 10% went online with their Gamecube, it still wouldn't be profitable for Nintendo.
you're trying to say less than 10% of Gamecube owners would go online if they had titles like Mario Kart, F-Zero, Animal Crossing 2, 1080 avalanche, Soul Calibur 2, and Pikmin 2 online?!?!
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 24, 2003, 05:41:59 PM
LAN GAMES CAN BE PLAYED ONLINE
That should be enough to keep all of you who want to play games online with your GameCube quiet. You can play Mario Kart online. What's the problem?
ONLINE GAMING IS NOT AS BIG AS YOU THINK
Take a look at these polls for instance. Keep in mind that everyone who voted is a gamer with internet access.
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1075
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1170
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1071
http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.asp?poll=1167
To me those polls don't really say a whole lot for the popularity of online gaming, least of all on consoles.
Post by: thepoga on April 24, 2003, 06:27:19 PM
yeah... ok nm. I think that nintendo not having any online plan is making them lose some potential gc buyers, but maybe not to much. it would be great if games like mario kart and fzero were online cuz u may wanna actually play with 8 players but u cant have 8 people comin to ur house or something. LAN can be hard to organize sometimes (i mean in terms of people comin over and connecting everything). that is a reason why online has so much appeal, u can play against a human person almost anytime u want to. unfortunately it isnt very clear as to whether or not nintendo can make a profit from online games. ( i dont think that people should say that nintendo WOULDNT or WOULD make a profit). its a very hard and changing business as most of u know.
okie dokie. that is all i have to say. you jerks...
umm... i was joking for those of u who are offended. so err, dont be offended. and stuff.
Post by: Zelda on April 24, 2003, 07:21:23 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 24, 2003, 07:36:46 PM
Post by: joeamis on April 24, 2003, 07:39:58 PM
I definitely don't think any more than 10% would go online. Sadly the audience that supports the Gamecube does not have the budget for an online monthly fee, even if those games were online. Even if more than 10% went online with their Gamecube, it still wouldn't be profitable for Nintendo.
who said anything about a monthly fee???!!!
nintendo runs their online access just like sony, not the Msoft (pun intended...the M being soft and all)
-that means no monthly fees...
HAIL THE CUBE!
Post by: WesDawg on April 24, 2003, 08:01:47 PM
GameDaily
Nothing new really, but interesting. I hadn't heard them mention their push for new unique titles and online games in the same breath before. It's also kinda nice to know, they're all for people developing things like Gamespy, they're just not gonna do it yet. Hopefully other developers will decide to try some new innovative stuff with online and the Cube. Stuff that even Shiggy don't think of.
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 24, 2003, 08:12:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Lord_die_seis
Yea thts true, and gray ninja how would of the gamers polled online if they didnt have online, its just a non purpose poll. Statistics prove way more than polls.
Yes, I realize that it's just a small sample of what gamers would like you to think, but show me something better and I'll take it. But my gut feelings tell me that it would yield a similar result. But unless you make a gaming census, nobody is ever really going to know the truth. Small samples such as this are the best that we have.
Post by: egman on April 25, 2003, 05:30:17 AM
Online would be nice from Nintendo, but I think they are doing the right thing. Many posters have already stated that Nintendo can't blow their resources like that because they do not have other sectors to cover that cost. I think they are also being very perceptive about the money issue. How many people are going to pay for the service? There's no way to predict that with what we know about online gaming because the PC online market is made up of hardcore gamers who would be more willing to pay by default, and X-box live has not gone into subscription mode yet. How many people will stay on Live when they have to pay a monthly fee for live and possibly an extra monthly fee for the games?
Grey Ninja is right that we should keep in mind that with LAN play you can play online with Gamespy tunnel. It may not be as graceful and convient as X-box live, but it's still there for small amount of gamers who want to go online. Most people buying Mario Kart or F-Zero will be content with the traditional multiplayer. That's really been the appeal of these games. Personally, I think Mario Kart would feel strange with online multiplay rather than having a real person next to me to talk smack to or to sabotage their their first place by playing a trick on them.
Post by: Mario Menace on April 25, 2003, 05:42:49 AM
Get this in your heads folks....Nintendo will never ever sacrifice profit for innovation. That's not to say Nintendo hasn't been innovative over the years because they have. I'm just saying that more so than any other company, when a new idea comes to the table Nintendo really asks themselves how profitable is this going to be.
Until there is a significant mainstream mass market for console online gaming, Nintendo is not interested. 10% may seem like a big number, but believe me if you really knew the cost on what MS spent to get their online service up and running you'll realize that they are losing money there just like they're losing money on the Xbox itself. How do you think Nintendo would feel if Zelda only sold to 10% of the Gcube owners out there?
No without a doubt, Nintendo is more interested in BOTTOM lines than headlines.
Post by: Ninja X on April 25, 2003, 07:25:15 AM
10% of Xbox owners being hooked up to Xbox Live is not much at all. It just goes to show you that no matter how hard Microsoft pushed the Xbox Live service, they could only get a tenth to sign up. If Nintendo dared try to rival Microsoft and only got a tenth of their audience to sign up, they'd lose some major cash.
I still want simple online services for Mario Kart, F-Zero, and Mario Party though...
Post by: Grey Ninja on April 25, 2003, 07:49:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario Menace
Well about the only thing negative I can say about Nintendo is that they are NOT risk takers. Nintendo are unabashed capitalists and are not going to do anything that dosen't make money. Why do you think they didn't release the GBA with a light in the first place? Because at the time they thought it added too much cost and the system wouldn't be as profitable. Plus it ate the battery life. Why do you think Nintendo went with cartridge instead of cd rom on the 64 (a huge mistake in my opinion)? Because they were uncertain how the medium would be embraced and they were fearful of piracy issues.
The GBA didn't ship with a light because they didn't want to make a Game Gear, where a handheld system became tied to a power outlet. When the technology became available, they shipped an improved version.
They went with the cartridges on the N64 for reasons of durability and loading time. Looking back, I still support Nintendo's usage of the cartridges, as the CDs for PSX took forever to load, and drove me nuts. Besides, both the SNES and the GBA did just fine with cartridge based media. The problem was that the N64 was a beast to program for, so developers jumped ship.
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Originally posted by: Mario Menace
Get this in your heads folks....Nintendo will never ever sacrifice profit for innovation. That's not to say Nintendo hasn't been innovative over the years because they have. I'm just saying that more so than any other company, when a new idea comes to the table Nintendo really asks themselves how profitable is this going to be.
Nintendo leads the industry in innovation. Most developers have a strict timetable and inflexibility in regards to changing the game design midway through the game. Nintendo gives complete freedom to their development teams, and games are delayed if neccessary. Nintendo has become infamous for missing deadlines for the sake of a polished product.
Nintendo is very willing to spend money on innovation, as that's where they make their future. If they are able to come up with something nobody else has, then that translates directly to higher sales. You speak as if innovation != profit, when in reality, they are one and the same, and Nintendo realizes this. Jumping on the bandwagon with a bunch of online games though is hardly innovative.
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Originally posted by: Mario Menace
No without a doubt, Nintendo is more interested in BOTTOM lines than headlines.
Correct.
Post by: The Doc on April 25, 2003, 08:57:52 AM
The Doc
Post by: kennyb27 on April 25, 2003, 12:39:44 PM
QuoteFirst off, Nintendo does not have a set online plan. As of right now, the only game that is online on the Nintendo Gamecube is Phantasy Star Online Ep 1 & 2 and that game requires a monthly fee. Also, Microsoft's online plan costs $50 a year for the service (no monthly fee) and if there is a monthly fee its the game's publisher who deals it out (link). Also, Sony's online plan does require monthly fees (link). And in answer to your question, I was guessing monthly costs would be used simply because of server upkeep and because there is a monthly fee for the only online game (PSO).
who said anything about a monthly fee???!!! nintendo runs their online access just like sony, not the Msoft (pun intended...the M being soft and all)
-that means no monthly fees...
Post by: Armed on April 25, 2003, 02:57:41 PM
But if there was online capabilities for Gamecube the only thing i would really care about is downloading extra levels or other extras they decide to put in the game, nothing more.
Post by: dmcollin on April 25, 2003, 03:12:01 PM
But i agree with nintendo, that if they were alone to setup and run servers themselves that it is too expensive. I would love to see a mario kart server program such that someone could setup their own server for multiplayer action.
