Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Plugabugz on February 19, 2010, 01:58:23 PM
Title: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Plugabugz on February 19, 2010, 01:58:23 PM
....but is it really deserving of that title?
Excluding its "win win" factor by being bundled in 75% of the markets alongside its parent console (thus guaranteeing sales and that title, if you don't like the game tough you paid for it and guaranteed a sale!), did it really advance gaming forward enough to have apparently sold 60 million copies?
Metroid Prime 3 showed FPS could be done properly. Mario Galaxy, IMO, showed the potential of the system and took platforming and camera systems completely differently. Wii Fit, like Lindy, Director of Nintendo World Report dotcom, said on RFN it "was created out of thin air" to cater to a new age of health-conscious people. Carnival Games popularised (*ahem* popularized) the party genre and Boom Blox made physics seem interesting.
While none of them have sold 60 million, i guess the thought i'm having is that Wii Sports has little replay value to me. Aren't there better games (even compiled together) to show off what the Wii can do and be deserving of that label?
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 19, 2010, 02:02:19 PM
I don't like where this topic is going to head to. Count me out.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 19, 2010, 02:12:28 PM
I'm not a Wii Sports fan. I only own it because it came with the system, but I never would have purchased it on its own. The same is true with Wii Play. I'm not a "non-gamer", I'm a real gamer, so these sorts of "games" don't interest me at all.
But with that said, I have to say there are lots of people out there who DO like these sorts of games. But would they have purchased this game if it didn't come with the system? Many probably would have, but definitely not 60 million. If the game wasn't bundled with the Wii its sales would be considerably less. Maybe only 20 million or something like that...
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: vudu on February 19, 2010, 02:17:32 PM
I think Jonny said it best on the last episode of RFN--packing Wii Sports in with the system was the single smartest thing Nintendo has done in the history of the company. There is no debating this fact. Regardless of your personal opinion about the game it has likely saved the gaming industry from the death spiral it was certainly headed towards.
Does it deserve the title of best video game of all time? Probably not. Does it deserve the title of best-selling video game of all time? Probably.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 02:20:58 PM
Ifit wasn't bundled with the Wii, the Wii wouldn't be as successful as it is. WiiSports is the showcase for the potential of the Wiimote and the initial draw for the Wii.
I've sunk more hours into WiiSports than more than 2/3rds of of all the games I own, mostly due to the competitive nature of the game, but it's still worth the price of admission and 10's of millions of new owners every year seem to be agreeing.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ian Sane on February 19, 2010, 02:55:44 PM
Wii Sports greatest accomplishment was making the Wii a huge success and the market leading console for this generation. It had enough appeal that once people saw it they had to buy a Wii to play it. Right now that's the only accomplishment we can really give it. We don't know what impact that will have. It isn't like Super Mario Bros. where we have 25 years of perspective.
The sales figures though are tainted. By bundling it with the Wii, Nintendo rigged the game. Wii Sports is an asterisk. That doesn't mean it wasn't successful but it's not a true record. Super Mario Bros. also can't lay claim to this record. Neither can Wii Play. And to go beyond Nintendo neither can something like Sonic the Hedgehog since it was the Genesis pack-in. To truly be the best selling game of all time the game has to have been sold in a manner where it could achieve high sales on it's own merits, not because it was packaged with something else people would want to buy.
How well has Wii Sports Resort sold? That will give one an idea of how valuable the Wii Sports franchise is. How many people who own a Wii liked Wii Sports enough to buy the sequel? That determines the appeal of it as a standalone product vs. a fun game that comes with your system.
Wii Sports' Japanese figures though are completely legitimate since it wasn't bundled there.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 19, 2010, 03:20:40 PM
I would like to point out that in Japan, where the game is NOT bundled with the Wii, it is still the best selling Wii game.
While the game is not the best game ever, it is a good game and helped show what the Wii Remote could do. The game is the main reason so many non-gamers bought the system, which was Nintendo's strategy. Wii Sports Resort has already sold over 14 million copies (it sold 13.58 million as of December 31, 2009).
Ian, I disagree that Wii Play can't hold claim to the record. Just because you get a free Wii Remote with the game doesn't change anything.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: GearBoxClock on February 19, 2010, 03:25:47 PM
You know, theSuper Mario game that sold so much on the NES only sold so much because it was bundled.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
Bottom line is that lots of people bought the Wii for WiiSPorts just as lots of people bought the NES for Super Mario Bros.
WiiPlay is different, because most people bought that because it was an extra controller with a cheap game thrown in.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 19, 2010, 05:31:27 PM
So what is the best selling game of all time that WASN'T a pack-in? Whichever game that is deserves greater credit, imho.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stogi on February 19, 2010, 06:00:23 PM
Super Mario 3 I'm guessing.
That said, even if Super Mario and Wii Sports were pack-ins, I doubt there success would be minimalized (sp?). They are killer apps in every sense of the term and people would have bought a cheaper Wii or NES and bought those games first.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: ejamer on February 19, 2010, 06:06:59 PM
... Does it deserve the title of best video game of all time? Probably not. Does it deserve the title of best-selling video game of all time? Probably.
Not sure if I think it "saved" the industry, but I definitely agree with the statement above.
Despite not being a big fan of the game, it's gotten played for 33 hours and 56 minutes on my console according to the Nintendo Channel statistics. That's not out of line either, since the average "per person" numbers listed are 32 hours of playing time over 27 sessions. When friends come over, it's still one of the best multiplayer choices because of being immediately intuitive and enjoyable.
While far from my favorite game, I can totally understand why it sells well. This is reinforced when you realize that people have a tendancy to buy what is popular regardless of how "good" it might be.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 19, 2010, 06:23:22 PM
So what is the best selling game of all time that WASN'T a pack-in? Whichever game that is deserves greater credit, imho.
Wii Play (no it's NOT a pack-in, it is not bundled with the Wii anywhere) at 26.71 million. After that, you have Wii Fit at 22.56 million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Top_20_console_games_of_all_time).
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ian Sane on February 19, 2010, 06:26:57 PM
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Ian, I disagree that Wii Play can't hold claim to the record. Just because you get a free Wii Remote with the game doesn't change anything.
I think it changes EVERYTHING. I'm pretty sure every single person on this forum that owns Wii Play bought it because they wanted another controller and the price difference between a standalone and Wii Play was so minor that they figured they might as well get the controller that came with a game. Every person I know personally who owns Wii Play bought it for that reason. That's like regarded as the thing to do. Salesmen in stores point you in that direction when you buy a Wii.
You don't get a free remote with it. It's the remote pack-in title. They just offer standalone remotes as well because someone who wants four controllers wouldn't have need for three copies of Wii Fit. If Nintendo didn't plan it that way they fluked their way into one of the most successful strategies of all time.
I look at Amazon.com's user reviews and I get:
"this is a 10$ game bundled with a remote. Only worth buying because it comes with remote"
"The whole package was the same price as just the remote from Wlmart. So it was worth it. The games arent all that much fun...just ok"
"I don't believe my grandchildren play the games that came with this remote."
"I bought this really because it had the remote with it, but the Wii Play game is actually not bad."
"We bought if mainly for the remote and count the games as an extra benefit."
"I bought this game because it came with a free controller. I played each of the mini games once. They are beyond bad. My kids played once and never put the game into the Wii again. Good for controller, but I could have saved a few buck by just buying an extra controller by itself, because the game is worthless."
"The main reason I bought this game was because it was a bargain with the Wii remote."
These don't appear to be written by disgruntled core gamers. There's no "rrrgh Wii Play sucks" here. This is the mainstream Wii audience and the message is loud and clear: you buy Wii Play for the remote!
If Wii Fit is number three behind Wii Sports and Wii Play then it is the best selling game of all time and its record is completely legitimate.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 19, 2010, 06:38:41 PM
No, Wii Play is. Just because the general public sees Wii Play as a pack-in with the Wii Remote doesn't make it so. The FACT is that you are technically buying the game and and getting a Wii Remote free with it. So the biggest selling non-bundled game is Wii Play.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Plugabugz on February 19, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
If i'm reading Wiki correctly then Nintendogs is the best selling unbundled-with-hardware game of all time at 22 million, but this is all semantics.
That said, why is there no update to Nintendogs?!
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 19, 2010, 06:50:44 PM
Like everyone says, the only decent Wii Play game is Tanks. Nintendo needs to make a dedicated Tank fighting game, with online play and more levels and the ability to customize your tanks and so on. That sort of game would easily be worth $19.99 as a stand-alone with no remote.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 06:51:42 PM
No, Wii Play is. Just because the general public sees Wii Play as a pack-in with the Wii Remote doesn't make it so. The FACT is that you are technically buying the game and and getting a Wii Remote free with it. So the biggest selling non-bundled game is Wii Play.
You've got it backwards. you are buying a wiimote with a cheap game bundled in.
And Tanks and Targets are both good games.
Both could work as expanded standalone WiiWare games.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 19, 2010, 06:52:45 PM
If i'm reading Wiki correctly then Nintendogs is the best selling unbundled-with-hardware game of all time at 22 million, but this is all semantics.
That said, why is there no update to Nintendogs?!
Good question. By now Nintendo should have released a version of it for the Wii.
I remember in another thread someone mentioned R.O.B. and said Nintendo should bring it back. Well, since we know bundled hardware makes games sell, what if Nintendo created a robotic dog peripheral with a Wii version of Nintendogs?
Guaranteed multi-million seller, right there.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 19, 2010, 06:54:43 PM
No, Wii Play is. Just because the general public sees Wii Play as a pack-in with the Wii Remote doesn't make it so. The FACT is that you are technically buying the game and and getting a Wii Remote free with it. So the biggest selling non-bundled game is Wii Play.
You've got it backwards. you are buying a wiimote with a cheap game bundled in.
And Tanks and Targets are both good games.
If thinking that makes you feel better, go ahead. Don't let facts get in the way.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 06:59:04 PM
if you think WiiPlay is a $50 game with a $40 wiimote bundled in for free then it is you who isn't letting the facts get in the way.
Ian even posted the casual non-gamer reviews of the product who understand that the game was bought because it's added price to the Wiimote was worth adding another game to the collection even if it had little value as a stand alone.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 19, 2010, 07:09:46 PM
This happened sometime last year. Isn't there already a topic about this?
What is the best-selling game that wasn't subject to any marketing gimmick like packed in with hardware or an accessory, or have multiple versions? Was Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas ever a pack-in with a PlayStation 2 bundle? If not, then it is the best-selling no frills game.
I have a somewhat related question: Why isn't Duck Hunt also considered to be tied as the "most successful videogame"? After all, it was a combo cartridge containing both Super Mario Brothers and Duck Hunt. I know that both games were available separately for a short time, but... how much did each of them sell? Shouldn't Duck Hunt at least be second (or now third)? And then there was the triple-game cartridge which also had World Class Track Meet...
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: UncleBob on February 19, 2010, 07:26:27 PM
I think once the NES started getting sold without SMB people still bought it... no one bought Duck Hunt stand-alone. ;)
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 19, 2010, 09:46:51 PM
Sports is 100% free. There's no price to pay so you really shouldn't count that, along with WII Play. WII Fit again is bundled hardware, did you buy it for the game FIT or did you just want the balance board? Most people wanted the game but you're still going count the people who just wanted the board.
Think Mario Kart is the better example considering it's $45 with a $5 wheel.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 19, 2010, 09:53:28 PM
W.T.F?
who would buy just the balance board? that makes absolutely no sense. you buy WiiFit which is the game that uses the balance board. They are one in the same. It's impossible to play the game without it and buying the BB by itself isn't even an option. You can't even use the BB by itself so why would you even ask if you bought it fot the game or the BB? The BB is part of the game.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 12:07:25 AM
LOL? Never heard of Shaun White Snowboarding or what about Skate It? Like you said, nintendo didn't sell it seperate so people are basically stuck with a game (has no resale value minus the board).
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2010, 01:23:18 AM
Nobody (not literally, of course, but statistically speaking) bought Wii Fit just so they could use the Balance Board for those games.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 20, 2010, 01:24:36 AM
Bundled games are in no way free, they are included in the asking price. You pay for them, otherwise Nintendo would be giving out copies of Wii Sports on their website. Wii Sports is the reason why the Wii was $50 more than previous Nintendo systems. Wii Play is the reason it costs $10 more than a Wii Remote.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2010, 01:28:15 AM
LOL? Never heard of Shaun White Snowboarding or what about Skate It? Like you said, nintendo didn't sell it seperate so people are basically stuck with a game (has no resale value minus the board).
The thing about those games is that you can play them with out the BB and you probably wouldn't seek out a BB just to use them. Those games are targeted at people that already own a BB and the only reason to actually buy a BB is because it comes with WiiFit/+.
I highly doubt too many people would have spent $100+ on a Shaun White Snowboarding w/ BB combo as they probably would have just picked up the stand alone version for probably less than half the price. Same goes for Skate It.
WiiFit and everything it represents is what sells the BB, not the other way around, as one wouldn't exist if it weren't for the other. No other game would have made as convincing of a case for the need of a BB and that is why the 2 are essentially one product.
Nobody (not literally, of course, but statistically speaking) bought Wii Fit just so they could use the Balance Board for those games.
I'm glad you agree.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2010, 01:29:57 AM
Super Mario Brother 3 AND Nintendogs were packed in with SKUs for their respective systems so they can't count.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 01:44:30 AM
? Actually quite a few did, Shaun White was shown at E3 and alot of snowboarding fans went ahead and bought the damn thing. Same with Skate It. You can play those music games on a joypad too but it would kind of kill the purpose.
And I didn't buy a WII for sports as someone else on this board stated--right there's already two sales that shouldn't count. If it was such a great game then wouldn't the sequel be right there along side it? Sports Resort is selling (better than I would have thought) but it's not going be hitting 20 mil let alone 66 million. But you can count sports resort though because even though it's bundled with motion plus you can still get an motion plus controller seperate.
By you insane logic the best selling game of all time is no WII Sports but freaking Solitaire :( .
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 01:45:32 AM
"Super Mario Brother 3 AND Nintendogs were packed in with SKUs for their respective systems so they can't count."
But you can buy the standalone hardware without them so yeah you can still count them.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stogi on February 20, 2010, 01:49:26 AM
^^^ I agree with that.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2010, 01:56:01 AM
But the same could be said about the first SMB. I didn't get that game for myself until near the launch of the SNES because it was on sale. How does this change the matter? Both games were available at times as a pack-in with the system AND separately. Am I missing something obvious here?
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2010, 01:57:18 AM
I can't think of a single person that would pay hundreds of dollars for a computer just because it came with solitaire(which is not an advertised game or a selling point), so by my logic, that doesn't even make sense.
WSR has sold almost 14million copies in 7 months on sale WW and is still in the Top 10 and you don't think it's gonna get up in the 20's? It's doing on average almost 2 million a month WW and it hasn't even been a year yet.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2010, 02:03:43 AM
? Actually quite a few did, Shaun White was shown at E3 and alot of snowboarding fans went ahead and bought the damn thing. Same with Skate It. You can play those music games on a joypad too but it would kind of kill the purpose.
And I didn't buy a WII for sports as someone else on this board stated--right there's already two sales that shouldn't count. If it was such a great game then wouldn't the sequel be right there along side it? Sports Resort is selling (better than I would have thought) but it's not going be hitting 20 mil let alone 66 million. But you can count sports resort though because even though it's bundled with motion plus you can still get an motion plus controller seperate.
By you insane logic the best selling game of all time is no WII Sports but freaking Solitaire :( .
I'm not saying there weren't lunatics who were willing to pay $140 to be able to play Shaun White with a Balance Board and didn't care about Wii Fit, I'm saying that they made up an incredibly small proportion of the Wii Fit sales, as in less than 1%: like I said, not statistically significant.
Wii Sports Resort has already sold 14 million copies, which means it's sold more copies than over 99% of the games that have ever been made. Given that and its continued consistent sales, I don't understand why you'd think it won't hit 20 million; it's probably got a decent shot at passing Wii Fit to become the best-selling non-pack-in.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 02:06:22 AM
People don't count SMB sales neither because when the system frist came out it was bundled only. At least stateside. Japan was the only country were you could buy an Famicon without it at launch. Same with WII Sports, the Japanese didn't get the game for free (they had to buy it for at a budgetted price of $40). You can count them.
The only time you can count hardware bundles is if that product only works with that one game. Tony's Ride or even that DJ Hero would be examples of that.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 02:14:21 AM
You won't know what the % is unless you went around and counted and you forgot alot of people bought WII FIT for their kids, and how many of them actually used them?
As for WII Sports Resort, it's just to profitable a title to pass up for nintendo not to make it annual. I'm guessing at E3 we'll hear about another Sports title coming down the road in the fall.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2010, 02:16:02 AM
Majority of the people were sold on NES because of SMB though, same situation with WiiSports. People in Japan may have had to buy it separately, but I bet it was one of if not the best selling NES game in Japan too.
As far as DJ Hero and TH Ride, WiiFit is in the same boat. The hardware was created to play the game. If TH Ride and DJ Hero were huge successes then I'm sure other games would be made to utilize the equipment that all those people had already bought. <insert reference to Rock of the Dead here>
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2010, 02:20:19 AM
You won't know what the % is unless you went around and counted and you forgot alot of people bought WII FIT for their kids, and how many of them actually used them?
I think that's besides the point. The people still bought WiiFit for WiiFit, not just the balance board.
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As for WII Sports Resort, it's just to profitable a title to pass up for nintendo not to make it annual. I'm guessing at E3 we'll hear about another Sports title coming down the road in the fall.
We won't see another WiiSports game till Wii2, Nintendo obviously likes to let a game ride and not make too many sequels especially while the first game is still selling strong, with the exception of WiiFit Plus which isn't a sequel, but an update.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 02:23:42 AM
"If TH Ride and DJ Hero were huge successes then I'm sure other games would be made to utilize the equipment that all those people had already bought"
But the fact remains the same--there's no other title as of now can use them.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 02:24:46 AM
"Nintendo obviously likes to let a game ride " Guess you skipped over Mario Party then? :)
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 20, 2010, 02:25:55 AM
There's only one Mario Party on Wii and it is still selling...
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2010, 02:26:52 AM
"If TH Ride and DJ Hero were huge successes then I'm sure other games would be made to utilize the equipment that all those people had already bought"
But the fact remains the same--there's no other title as of now can use them.
and why would they? there are what several 100k of them out there combined? might as well make a game for wonderswan and release it only in the US. There is no market for it therefore it wouldn't make sense.
I don't even know what point you are trying to argue anymore.
"Nintendo obviously likes to let a game ride " Guess you skipped over Mario Party then? :)
Plus that was made by a 3rd party so they might have had more say in how many of them were made.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 20, 2010, 02:41:13 AM
Actually Hudson developed them but Nintendo published them so they had total control. Same with Mario and Sonic games too. Nintendo learned it's mistakes with the CD-I.
And for awhile there Nintendo was releasing them yearly and that's my point I was making, they stop with 8 and I'm not sure why other than it might have to be a fallout with the developer--Hudson did make that Deca Sports and I recall they weren't happy with Big N because they couldn't use MIIs and I bet Nintendo wasn't pleased with them taking a similar title to their own game. Maybe I'm wrong but I haven't heard any news on MP9 for a long time.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 20, 2010, 02:49:01 AM
I'm sure MP had a yearly release for a while because, well, they had a developer to do them and then needed to fill out their release schedule.
Point is, Nintendo has been doing some things differently with the Wii ever since Iwata has had full control of whats going on, and yearly sequels to games that could become ever green if given the right support is not gonna happen anymore. Who wants to buy essentially the same game over and over again every year besides the sports fanatics that need an updated roster?
If it's really just because Hudson decided to not make them anymore, then so be it, but that doesn't change the fact that there is only 1 MP game for Wii and Nintendo is letting the game ride on it's own merits and it's doing just fine. We have yet to even hear request for a sequel or interest in them making one.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2010, 03:41:35 AM
True, people have been complaining about too many MP sequels but now that they stopped the annual release people are complaining. I guess I'm afraid that if I cave and buy it that they will then announce a sequel.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 20, 2010, 05:31:55 AM
Anyone who says the majority of Wii Play owners bought it just for the game and not for the controller is either being dishonest or just plain stupid. The reviews Ian posted are from actual consumers, and that shows exactly what they are thinking right from their own mouths. Those quotes prove for a fact that many Wii Play owners bought it only for the controller.
Does this mean all consumers bought it only for the controller? Well no, probably not, but that's not the point. The point is MOST of them did. Wii Play might have sold reasonably well without the remote, but still no where near as well as it did with it.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 20, 2010, 05:36:28 AM
Bundled games are in no way free, they are included in the asking price. You pay for them, otherwise Nintendo would be giving out copies of Wii Sports on their website. Wii Sports is the reason why the Wii was $50 more than previous Nintendo systems. Wii Play is the reason it costs $10 more than a Wii Remote.
No, that's not always true. Wii Play has sometimes cost the same or even less than just getting a plain remote. How would you explain that? If someone wanted an extra controller they could pay $40 for just the wiimote, or they could grab wii play with a wiimote for perhaps $30. I know its been like that because I seen it myself. So how can you say someone is paying extra for a bundled game if the bundle costs less than the hardware by itself?
Granted, that isn't always the case and that's not the MSRP of Wii Play, but I have seen it sell that way, and I know others have too.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 20, 2010, 05:42:59 AM
That holds true of any item on sale, sales get people to buy things they wouldn't normally buy. And it isn't like they got Wii Play for "free" as they still put money down in order to acquire the game and remote.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 20, 2010, 05:45:56 AM
That holds true of any item on sale, sales get people to buy things they wouldn't normally buy. And it isn't like they got Wii Play for "free" as they still put money down in order to acquire the game and remote.
But would they have spent $50 (or $40 or whatever) for it if it was just the game and no remote?
Let's be honest here and admit the game just isn't worth that price.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 20, 2010, 05:52:14 AM
No, of course not. But Wii Play isn't a $50 game, it is a $10 game. I'll bet if it were released alone as a $10 game then it would have still sold at least ten million copies. People like cheap games, especially ones released near the launch of a system.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: KDR_11k on February 20, 2010, 06:18:10 AM
How many people who own a Wii liked Wii Sports enough to buy the sequel?
Careful, that also mixes with the question "how many people think WSR offers a sufficiently large improvement to warrant buying?"
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 20, 2010, 07:37:43 AM
I think WSR offers that.
Airplane mode FTW. Plus it's one of the preferred games to play with other 'casual' type people I've played with. They always ask for that one along with the original WiiSports and New Mario Brothers when I bring the system over.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ymeegod on February 21, 2010, 05:28:22 PM
This is my thoughts on seeing another Sports title this year:
1. there's not alot of "motion plus" games coming this year--fact there's only a handful currently available.
2. developement time, Zelda might be Big N big star in the winter but will it release in time without getting delayed?
3. It add salt to the wound. Sony's and MS going be launching their motion stuff in the fall; I don't expect them to sell all that much but Nintendo should have something "new" just to keep whatever software Sony and MS launches off the top 10 list. A new sports title would do just that. Hell I bet Reggie's already working on his speach when both Sony and MS's attempt fail.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 21, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
Nintendo should counter the competitor's motion stuff by reforging their Wiimote so that it has M+ built into it by default. Then whenever someone purchases a Wii console, they're getting a controller that already has it and that way Nintendo will still have a good (if not the best) control option and with that being the standard, anyone developing for the Wii would have to take it into consideration.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 21, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
Nintendo should counter the competitor's motion stuff by reforging their Wiimote so that it has M+ built into it by default. Then whenever someone purchases a Wii console, they're getting a controller that already has it and that way Nintendo will still have a good (if not the best) control option and with that being the standard, anyone developing for the Wii would have to take it into consideration.
Though any non-white Wiimote already comes with the M+. Blue, Pink and Black all sell with the add-on.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 21, 2010, 08:05:03 PM
I don't mean addons. I mean the remote should be remade to have it built into it inseparably.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 21, 2010, 08:40:33 PM
I'm pretty sure they are saving that for Wii2, simply packing it in with every system and every separate controller from here on out should be good enough.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 22, 2010, 05:28:22 AM
I hope the next Wiimote thing also has enough buttons to at least handle SNES games on the VC. Two more buttons next to the 1 and 2 buttons plus an L and R at the top (when you turn it on its side) ought to do it.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stogi on February 22, 2010, 05:33:52 AM
Doubtful. I'm pretty sure Nintendo is going to stick with a simple remote again, possibly even more simple then we have today -- or in my case, had.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 22, 2010, 06:58:50 AM
Had? What happened?
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 22, 2010, 07:18:33 AM
Stogi gave away his Wii and is holding out for Nintendo to release a black one before he gets a new one.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 22, 2010, 10:00:52 AM
Oh yeah, now I remember reading about it. I was thinking something more recent happened.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Ian Sane on February 22, 2010, 01:22:29 PM
The funny thing with all this is whether or not Wii Sports or Wii Fit count, Nintendo is still the company with the best selling game. The right company gets the credit.
I say pack-ins don't count but only in the sense that the amount sold as a pack-in doesn't count. Some games are sold primarily as seperate titles and a limited-time bundle is also available. But the primary intention is for the game to be bought seperately so those count. I consider Wii Play to be an exception since it comes with a standard controller. Other bundles are always stuff where it comes with some special peripheral that that game is designed for. So it comes with a wheel or a lightgun or a guitar or a balance board. In that case the idea is more to buy the game and the accesssory required for that game. The idea isn't really to buy the accessory for a different purpose. The remote is a standard controller. Wii Play is not a special title that makes use of a special accessory.
My definition isn't a clear-cut rule. To me it's more case-by-case. It just seems obvious to me which titles hold a legitimate claim to their sales. Sadly, one of my favourite games of all time, Super Mario World, has tainted sales. Any of its GBA or VC sales though are legitimate.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Plugabugz on February 22, 2010, 05:24:30 PM
Stogi gave away his Wii and is holding out for Nintendo to release a black one before he gets a new one.
Pay me and i'll buy you one.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stogi on February 22, 2010, 05:56:57 PM
Really? Will it work in the US?
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 22, 2010, 09:45:14 PM
Only if your television can accept a PAL video signal, which I doubt.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2010, 10:04:28 PM
What you need to do is swap a case with a EUR or JPN Black Wii and make sure you get all the included controllers and cables that came with the black version.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 22, 2010, 10:06:33 PM
A bottle of spray paint is cheaper and easier than that.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2010, 10:24:02 PM
But it would look cheap. And the cords and controllers wouldn't be the right color.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 22, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
Only if your television can accept a PAL video signal, which I doubt.
Most TV's nowadays can accept both PAL and NTSC signals, the only real problem lies in the AC adapter. You will need a power converter if you have a import system (at least if you don't want to take a chance with frying your system).
The other problem is that I think all ways to play import Wii games don't work anymore, so you would be stuck playing PAL Wii games on it.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2010, 11:36:26 PM
case switch. it's the only way at this point to have the real thing.
Unless Nintendo wants to see a big cheshire cat smile on my face on Wed. and announce the Black Wii.
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Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 22, 2010, 11:45:12 PM
the only real problem lies in the AC adapter. You will need a power converter if you have a import system (at least if you don't want to take a chance with frying your system).
I've never heard of that happening with any Nintendo game system, and I've talked with several people who have swapped adapters. The system itself isn't different than an NTSC system, and the power conversion takes place entirely in the adapter. You could use the AC adapter from a North America system and it'd work fine.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: ThePerm on February 23, 2010, 01:20:36 AM
I liked wii sports, that being said its an 8.0 game single player at best. Its a 10 on multiplayer though. Heres a question I pose: Do systems sell significantly better when they come packed with a game?
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Guitar Smasher on February 23, 2010, 01:27:51 AM
I think it's more a matter of perceived value. Wii hit the sweet spot with a low price and system seller in a single package. If PS3 had come packaged with a game, I don't think it would have sold much better because the price was still way too high. But the packaged game is only relevant for the first couple years. I think WiiFit and NSMBWii moved a lot of systems, despite being sold separately.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 23, 2010, 01:27:58 AM
Only if your television can accept a PAL video signal, which I doubt.
I'm sure it would void your warranty, but if one were really desperate enough for a black wii, couldn't they buy a white NTSC wii and a black PAL wii and then just swap the innards? That way you should end up with a black NTSC wii (assuming all goes well). You would also have a functioning White PAL.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2010, 01:37:06 AM
Only if your television can accept a PAL video signal, which I doubt.
I'm sure it would void your warranty, but if one were really desperate enough for a black wii, couldn't they buy a white NTSC wii and a black PAL wii and then just swap the innards? That way you should end up with a black NTSC wii (assuming all goes well). You would also have a functioning White PAL.
What you need to do is swap a case with a EUR or JPN Black Wii and make sure you get all the included controllers and cables that came with the black version.
case switch. it's the only way at this point to have the real thing.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Mop it up on February 23, 2010, 03:42:32 AM
There's also the option of paint, which doesn't void your warranty and costs a lot less. You might still have to disassemble it though, especially if you wanted to paint the controller.
I'm pretty sure that the cords (AC adapter, A/V cable, and sensor bar) are gray no matter which colour you get.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 23, 2010, 08:22:03 PM
I've never heard of that happening with any Nintendo game system, and I've talked with several people who have swapped adapters. The system itself isn't different than an NTSC system, and the power conversion takes place entirely in the adapter. You could use the AC adapter from a North America system and it'd work fine.
I wasn't aware Nintendo did that, I knew that voltage was a major problems for other systems. If this is true, than there is nothing stopping a person from just importing a black PAL Wii (although they would have to import PAL games to play on it). I would just wait, it's just a matter of time before Nintendo of America releases it.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stogi on February 23, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
Are you guys still talking about this?
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 24, 2010, 12:09:17 AM
If you installed the Homebrew Channel and Gecko OS on a PAL Wii you could play NA games on it. You'd be stuck with the PAL Wii shop, though.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 24, 2010, 12:11:13 AM
You also would never be able to update your Wii again and would not be able to play any more first party games (as you would be forced to download the new firmware, which disables the Homebrew Channel).
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 24, 2010, 01:24:39 AM
I'm on the current firmware (4.2) and just installed the Homebrew Channel a couple days ago. The update blocked the HBC, but the homebrew community got around that in a matter of days.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stratos on February 24, 2010, 02:47:33 AM
Well, at least a Black PAL Wii could get you Disaster among a few other European exclusives.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: Stogi on February 24, 2010, 03:15:42 AM
Seriously guys. I'm not buying a foreign system, so why are we even contemplating it?
EDIT: Actually, do what you want.
Title: Re: So, Wii Sports is the best selling video game of all time
Post by: KDR_11k on February 24, 2010, 03:59:30 AM
You also would never be able to update your Wii again and would not be able to play any more first party games (as you would be forced to download the new firmware, which disables the Homebrew Channel).
What? My Wii is updated and HBC'd just fine. They had one patch that removed the HBC if you didn't update the HBC first but all it did was look for a hardcoded channel name so after renaming the HBC works the same as before.
