Ghost Recon: Future Soldier, the latest game in the Tom Clancy series, will be coming to the Wii (see Kotaku (http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_grawfuture.jpg)).
There is a different development team taking a different approach to the Wii version. "It will deliver a fresh gameplay experience with an unparalleled level of quality", says Ubisoft.
My expectations are low, but we'll see.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 09, 2010, 05:57:34 PM
I don't like this "future" business. Ubi's shown to make a circus out of "modern combat" ever since acquiring the the Tummy Crabby license.
"different approach" could mean all kinds of negative things.
My expectations are lower, but I'll keep my eyes peeled for a trainwreck.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 06:20:16 PM
in before rail shooter or guided first person shooter joke!
oh wait.....
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 09, 2010, 06:35:22 PM
in before rail shooter or guided first person shooter joke!
oh wait.....
Talk about low-hanging fruit. Ubisoft put this one on a tee and handed us a bat.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 09, 2010, 06:36:38 PM
In the future, soldiers will be guided unmanned avatars or androids. Also in the future is guided unmanned avatar seks.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 06:41:53 PM
I swear, if GR:FS is a rail shooter or anything like a rail shooter, I'm taking the bricks out of their wall of shame and tossing one through each window of the Ubi execs top floor office.
I'm head hunting. If they ignore the supposed success of MW on Wii and instead replicate the failure of DSE & DSC, heads will roll.
Someone with some executive power has to have been paying attention. WE WANT THE SAME GAME YOU ARE MAKING FOR THE OTHER CONSOLES. we just want it to use the wiimote properly and you can even include other control option.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 09, 2010, 06:53:37 PM
Aren't there other Tom Clancy games on Wii? How did they turn out?
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 09, 2010, 07:01:49 PM
The 1 Wii game was a big pile of 'who cares.' The Wii version was probably a port of the GameCube version, was probably a port of the PS2 version. On to the Wall of Shame, it went.
I think we know whats gonna be different about the Wii version already..... *picture*
I don't know if I want to find that funny or absolutely depressing.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 09:00:04 PM
laugh now.... cry later?
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Post by: Peachylala on February 09, 2010, 09:03:24 PM
Or better yet, cry now and cry some more later?
I cannot fathom finding something funny with depressing third party support. They are like Heidi Pratt(sp?), they get a massive boob job (make high budget HD titles, ignore Wii), without thinking about the consequences for their actions (piss of Nintendo fanbase, games don't sell well).
God that comparison just depressed me more. D8
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Stratos on February 09, 2010, 09:12:05 PM
I think we know whats gonna be different about the Wii version already.....
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2yzkktj.jpg)
I wouldn't mind a Rabbids based FPS or TPS, actually. Maybe something similar to Jet Force Gemini but with controllable Rabbids.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
We have enough Rabbids games. You can do shooter stuff in on 1 or 2 of the rabbid mini game collections. So Rabbids don't need to start infecting everything Ubisoft touches that makes it's way to the Wii.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Peachylala on February 09, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
Wii Need Excuses
Coming next year to Wii from *insert third troll here*.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: KDR_11k on February 10, 2010, 02:28:36 AM
I hope their simplify-for-Wii thoughts are more along the lines of Quake than Dead Space Extraction, we haven't really had a nice brainless shooter for a while now, it's all cover based headshot nonsense these days.
I don't like this "future" business. Ubi's shown to make a circus out of "modern combat" ever since acquiring the the Tummy Crabby license.
Eh, the gear in the Tom Clancy games often includes stuff that's not past the prototype stage so future is actually a more appropriate name for it. The kit you get in GRAW2 is leagues ahead of the rusty leftovers MW2 will hand you.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 10, 2010, 09:56:53 PM
Looks like Ghost Recon is shaping up to be http://illogicalcontraption.blogspot.com/2008/12/pearls-before-swine-captain-power-and.html
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2010, 12:21:41 PM
So, a trailer got released and you know what's a brilliant idea?
Definitely not taking the name of a franchise that's known for being very much about thinking and tactics and combining it with the gameplay of a game that failed to sell even ten thousand copies. That's right, they made it a rail shooter! Aren't third parties supposed to clone SUCCESSFUL games? Why is everyone whining about Wii FPSes not selling and in the same breath announcing a new rail shooter? They sell like an order of magnitude worse!
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Caterkiller on August 18, 2010, 01:54:07 PM
The game is on rails, in the sense that the range of movement is limited to moving from cover to cover. But players can choose when and where they want to move to, and can decide how they want to run to it.
I hate to always link to IGN but I keep finding useful things. You can see the trailer and a bit of info. I am getting so sick of ugly Wii games. Can't wait til next generation with motion and pretty realistic graphics. Been loving all the cartoony graphics though, all generation long.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2010, 02:12:09 PM
You ever know someone that for some reason thinks that you like some dish that you actually cannot stand and they cook it for you every time you visit them? That's what this is. Third parties are the confused aunt that makes us liver.
I'd guess the real reason we keep getting this genre, despite the fact that making an on-rails shooter is like giving Wii owners the finger, is because it's easy to do. You can take your existing shooting related game and just make the path fixed and have the player aim with the remote and, voila, product on the shelf. Pointing and shooting is one of the easiest ways to use the remote without it being a broken mess and without having to come up with a creative idea. It's like a mouse point, you know your team can pull it off without fucking it up.
Also because the Wii is underpowered compared to the other systems you can't just port your game to it. You could design a brand new game from scratch but that's a lot of work. An on-rails shooter lets you reuse ideas and since you control what the user sees you can make sure that you don't have too many enemies on screen at once or that an area is too big. In an open 3D game there are a lot of variables and you certainly can't just port your game. The on-rails shooter is the cheater way to port a game to the Wii. Its heavily scripted nature gives the dev the control to make sure the game works.
Third parties don't want to make Wii exclusive content, they want to have multiplatform releases. That isn't possible so we get half-baked spinoffs instead because that's the closest thing to a port. Making two unique full Ghost Recon games would take twice the development effort. It feels like they budgetted for one game released on three consoles. The Wii doesn't allow for that so they take the budget for porting the multiplatform game to the Wii and put it towards an exclusive Wii release. But that isn't a full-sized game budget so we get a junk title. It's like no matter what they have this cost in mind for getting some product out for all three consoles and they're not going to allow the need to make a seperate release for the Wii affect that cost.
It's like if you have three sons and you were going to buy them all a snack. All the snacks are such that $2 gets you a large sized snack and $1 gets you a small one. There is a deal that the more you buy of the same item the more you save. You can get 3 large snacks for $4 or 2 for $3. You only have $4. Two of the sons want ice cream cones which are large snacks and other does not. You get the 2 ice creams for $3 and let the remaining son get something for the remaining $1 and he has to settle for a smaller snack than his brothers. He doesn't get a large $2 snack like he would have if he played ball. That only worked if he went in on the deal. He decided to be the oddball so he got less because there was only so much snack money available. That's the Wii and I think that's why we get these stupid on-rails spinoffs. You can decide for yourself if the father or the son is being unreasonable but that's what I think the situation is.
Dead Space Extraction however shows that we don't like this. That game got great reviews but still sold like piss. The reaction from the Wii userbase was clear - "we want the real game, not some bullshit spinoff."
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2010, 02:17:17 PM
Also because the Wii is underpowered compared to the other systems you can't just port your game to it.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex proves that's not necessarily true. The only real omission is voice chat; everything else is there.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 18, 2010, 02:19:04 PM
Looks like it'll be fun to play, but the graphics are absolutely horrible. There's no (valid) reason this shouldn't look as good as GRAW for Xbox.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2010, 02:33:04 PM
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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex proves that's not necessarily true. The only real omission is voice chat; everything else is there.
It depends however on how much money and effort you want to put into it though. This port came out two years after the initial release. As I said though I figure they're just budgeting a specific amount and giving the Wii a spin-off is the way to make it within that cost. Downgrading the game to make it work on the Wii or making a brand new title of the same scope as the other release both probably raise the budget too much.
They should probably adapt to this and change their budget since no one wants these on-rails shooters and you need to, you know, sell games for any of this to be worthwhile. But they haven't and I think that's why we're getting what we're getting. If it was easier to just port the game like Modern Warfare then that's what they would do. Why the hell wouldn't they go that route if that was the cheap and easy route? That's what they do with every other non-portable platform.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
The difference in hardware is certainly a factor, but you can't give publishers and developers a pass for being too lazy or cheap to put out a decent product.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Ian Sane on August 18, 2010, 03:00:14 PM
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The difference in hardware is certainly a factor, but you can't give publishers and developers a pass for being too lazy or cheap to put out a decent product.
I'm just saying this is what it is. These are businesses and regardless of what dumb decisions businesses can make there is always some sort of reason they came to the decision they did. I'm trying to think of why we're getting all this on-rails **** so I'm trying to think of what rationale they based their decision on.
I don't give them a pass because I don't buy any of their bullshit spinoffs. But if they're not going to change it's still a good idea to get into their mindset so as to avoid this problem next gen. Nintendo can't force third parties to do anything but they can try to make sure that third parties don't have excuses to cut corners.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Stratos on August 18, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
Also because the Wii is underpowered compared to the other systems you can't just port your game to it.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex proves that's not necessarily true. The only real omission is voice chat; everything else is there.
And no local multiplayer.
And less people in a multiplayer match, 10 down from 18. No DLC either, if that counts.
I heard that it took ten months of work to port that game over. So you either have people complaining about a lousy port or a late port, both of which hurt sales. Although Modern Warfare still sold a million copies, or close to it, so the late port option is probably the better one.
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Post by: Stratos on August 18, 2010, 07:25:17 PM
I'll take late ports over no ports. At least I get to play it at all.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2010, 07:26:30 PM
A delayed game can be made good; a bad game is bad forever.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: KDR_11k on August 19, 2010, 11:55:54 AM
Maybe rail shooters are cheaper to make but they also sell catastrophically bad. Rule of thumb is that you need 100k sales per 1M$ spent to break even, at that rate you better not spend more than half a million on the game (plus however much the damage to the brand is valued at). Meanwhile if you do it properly you can pass a million sales (see the CoD games) and not even end up hurting your brand.
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 19, 2010, 12:45:20 PM
Hell, just slap some movement controls on the game they already made. It can't be that difficult to do, and even if it's the most half-assed thing ever, it would still be better then ANOTHER DAMN RAIL SHOOTER.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: NeoStar9X on August 19, 2010, 08:34:54 PM
Yup I think I'm done with Ubisoft. Between the DRM on their PC games (I love the Heroes of Might and Magic series but I just know their new DRM will be in it), lack of games that interest me on the 360 and PS3, and the crap they keep pulling on the Wii I think it's time I simple start ignoring them.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2011, 04:21:31 PM
I hope Next Level Games doesn't shut down.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 05, 2011, 04:36:19 PM
What does Next Level Games have to do with it? They have no involvement with the game.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2011, 04:41:39 PM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/112/1126495p1.html
eat. ****.
Title: Re: Ghost Recon: Future Soldier coming to Wii in some form
Post by: Stratos on January 05, 2011, 08:15:25 PM
It's actually not half bad. It does have flaws, but as a co-op game it entertains. I'd probably pick up one of the Resident Evil or House of the Dead games. But it scratches that arcade shooter itch if you've got it.
