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Title: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2009, 06:32:04 AM
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=99531
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"In an industry that's certainly had its challenges this year, we like to say that the environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry. We have a brand that can play on a worldwide basis, young and old, male and female, where our competition tends to be relegated to either select regions or to select consumer audiences. ...We don't have unlimited money, we cater to a more mass market audience. I think we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo is and ultimately we deliver to the masses on a worldwide basis and that's what we've done for the last 15 years." - SCEA boss Jack Tretton
This Jack Tretton jerk really deserves to have his mouth smacked for such rude comments. >:( Seriously, Reggie needs to hunt this guy down and punch his teeth in.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 10, 2009, 06:49:33 AM
No, you're supposed to give him a NOBEL PRIZE.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 10, 2009, 08:09:22 AM
"In an industry that's certainly had its challenges this year, we like to say that the environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry. We have a brand that can play on a worldwide basis, young and old, male and female, where our competition tends to be relegated to either select regions or to select consumer audiences. ...We don't have unlimited money, we cater to a more mass market audience. I think we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo is and ultimately we deliver to the masses on a worldwide basis and that's what we've done for the last 15 years." - SCEA boss Jack Tretton
This Jack Tretton jerk really deserves to have his mouth smacked for such rude comments. >:( Seriously, Reggie needs to hunt this guy down and punch his teeth in.
"Rude"? Oh give me a ****ing break...stuff like this is why I can't stand Nintendo fanboys. The guy's a Sony PR guy! Do you really expect him to state that a Nintendo brand being dominant in the industry is what's best for it? All companies have someone out there who says silly things on behalf of their company to try to spin things that make them look favorable. Sony has Jack Tretton; Nintendo has Reggie and Cammy; and Activision has their president, for example.
Now, Tretton spins an awful lot of hyperbole about what Sony's been doing in the HD era, but it's not all ridiculous. Sony has been more bold than Nintendo of late in trying to develop new IPs and trying to get worthwhile new IPs on their platform. Uncharted, Resistance, Infamous, LittleBigPlanet, The Last Guardian, etc. are all recent Sony ventures. Meanwhile, if it's not the core of Mario; Metroid; and Zelda for Nintendo, it's the latest Wii (add new title here) string of tech demos and casual whatevers.
Now, on the flipside Sony trying to make the case that they're going for the mainstream whereas Nintendo's been going for the niche is one of the most laughable statements I've ever read.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 10, 2009, 10:10:46 AM
Jack Tretton knows he won't be with Sony much longer. Also, Sony does have **** tons of money.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: mac<censored> on October 10, 2009, 10:22:58 AM
This Jack Tretton jerk really deserves to have his mouth smacked for such rude comments. >:( Seriously, Reggie needs to hunt this guy down and punch his teeth in.
Naw, it's so obviously marketing blather that nobody's gonna take it seriously anyway.
His desperation is palpable though...
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: UncleBob on October 10, 2009, 10:26:54 AM
I don't know about rude, but where's this Sony innovation we're hearing about?
I mean, they didn't even copy Nintendo's motion controls... they copied Microsoft copying Nintendo's motion controls..... ;)
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Guitar Smasher on October 10, 2009, 01:51:07 PM
Releasing an affordable, apple-styled, all-ages, both-genders, fun times system = NOT RISKY
Releasing a $600 blu-ray player with promises of RRRidge RRRacer and massive damage, that only techies and well-off fanboys can justify buying?
Tretton's got a point. Sony has balls.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: King of Twitch on October 10, 2009, 02:01:33 PM
I agree with Broodwars. More smack talk please, this isn't the Gamecube era
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 10, 2009, 02:15:25 PM
"Tretton's got a point. Sony has balls."
Motion-sensing balls.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 10, 2009, 02:52:52 PM
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 10, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
Totally agree with BroodWars here. This all really comes down to how you define "risk".
Nintendo risked that their forays into alternate control schemes with the DS and Wii wouldn't catch on with the gaming mainstream. They also put out risky, unproven products like Wii Fit Plus and Wii Music.
Sony has taken several MAJOR gambles this generation, starting with shoving Blu-Ray into the PS3 to give it a $600 price tag. Then you also have the fact that they relied on original IPs for the first two+ years of the PS3's life, then pushed Playstation Home, and then pushed the PSPGo to move into digital distribution.
The major difference is that Nintendo's risks have been "calculated" risks, whereas Sony's risks have been experimental to the point that you say "Ummm...neat concept, but how the hell are they going to make any money with that?"
What I like is that both Sony and Nintendo have taken a lot of chances this generation, and they'll both learn from each other's mistakes and successes. I think that's really what's best for this industry, not whether or not Nintendo or Sony "wins".
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: King of Twitch on October 10, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Nintendo's products help the sick and disabled, and may one day help prevent terrorists from getting on planes. Surely there is an obvious hierarchy of greatness this gen we can agree on?
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: ShyGuy on October 11, 2009, 02:58:52 AM
I don't think Blu-Ray was seen as a risk when Sony decided to put it into the PS3. It looks risky in retrospect, but that's because of the Sony phail train.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: KDR_11k on October 11, 2009, 03:53:48 AM
Sony probably thought everything they did was perfectly logical, a risk shouldn't count if you don't realize it is one when you take it.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 11, 2009, 03:59:58 AM
Sony probably thought everything they did was perfectly logical, a risk shouldn't count if you don't realize it is one when you take it.
By that logic, nothing Nintendo's done in the past decade or so outside of handing Metroid Prime to Retro would count.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: mac<censored> on October 11, 2009, 05:33:22 AM
My impression is that Sony had gotten very very sloppy and arrogant -- other parts of the company desperately wanted bluray to succeed, and SCE just sort of assumed the PS3 would be a shoe-in to command the market after what happened with the PS1/PS2 (including PS2's use of DVD to increase market-share), regardless of price (etc).
They didn't carefully think about the consequences of a hugely expensive system, how bluray would drive the price up, and that the DVD->DVD-successor transition was rather different than the VCR->DVD transition. Of course perhaps more importantly they also didn't consider that Nintendo would get all very creative with their next system and take the market in an unexpected direction...
One can't really blame them for the latter (it's hard to predict the unexpected), but they certainly could have dealt better with the other issues; really, they were just asleep at the wheel.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 11, 2009, 06:09:29 AM
Sony probably thought everything they did was perfectly logical, a risk shouldn't count if you don't realize it is one when you take it.
By that logic, nothing Nintendo's done in the past decade or so outside of handing Metroid Prime to Retro would count.
What about when Nintendo said they were taking a gamble on releasing the DS and that their future console plans were kinda being tested by market results of the DS? Then making motion controls the standard of the Wii & not significantly bumping the hardware specs, using mini-game collections & experimental software with peripherals and focusing a part of the market that doesn't even normally play or buy videogames? How could that not be considered a risk when Nintendo stated as much with the play-by-play of their strategy the entire time they were doing it?
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 11, 2009, 06:25:28 AM
Sony probably thought everything they did was perfectly logical, a risk shouldn't count if you don't realize it is one when you take it.
By that logic, nothing Nintendo's done in the past decade or so outside of handing Metroid Prime to Retro would count.
What about when Nintendo said they were taking a gamble on releasing the DS and that their future console plans were kinda being tested by market results of the DS? Then making motion controls the standard of the Wii & not significantly bumping the hardware specs, using mini-game collections & experimental software with peripherals and focusing a part of the market that doesn't even normally play or buy videogames? How could that not be considered a risk when Nintendo stated as much with the play-by-play of their strategy the entire time they were doing it?
Every time I've ever heard Nintendo speak of the DS and the Wii, I've heard nothing but utter confidence in that strategy. I can't remember the last time (if ever) I heard Nintendo Corporate publicly state that they weren't sure that something they were doing would catch on. You might have a point with the DS due to the whole "3rd pillar" thing, but considering the DS was their justification for what they were doing with Wii I wouldn't consider that one of Nintendo's "known risks" as well.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: mac<censored> on October 11, 2009, 10:40:55 AM
What about when Nintendo said they were taking a gamble on releasing the DS and that their future console plans were kinda being tested by market results of the DS? Then making motion controls the standard of the Wii & not significantly bumping the hardware specs, using mini-game collections & experimental software with peripherals and focusing a part of the market that doesn't even normally play or buy videogames? How could that not be considered a risk when Nintendo stated as much with the play-by-play of their strategy the entire time they were doing it?
Is that fried chicken?!
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: UncleBob on October 11, 2009, 11:30:15 AM
I don't think you can consider Blu-Ray a risk. Sony simply wanted to force Blu-Ray into people's homes so it would win the HD format war. Putting it into the PS3 was the way for them to do it.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 11, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
Sony launching a handheld to go up against the DS was a risk, after that paid off, making the PSPgo was a risk. Bluray is a trojan horse, forced into the hands of their most loyal customers.
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Is that fried chicken?!
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c262/BlackNMild2k1/Avatars/261lrps.gif) Why? are you jealous? Are you hungry now?
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 11, 2009, 02:53:03 PM
Oddly, Jack is actually right. There has been no bigger risk in history than the PSP Go. You remove most of the parts of the predessor and charge double in a system where consumers don't really own their games and you've got to have some pretty big brass balls to expect a product like that to succeed. Or just be incredibly ignorant.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 11, 2009, 06:27:08 PM
Hahaha. Oh wow.
Playstation "winning" is best for the industry? Sony appeals to a more "mass market" audience? Willing to take more of a risk than Nintendo?
This guy is completely laughable.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Stogi on October 11, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
You have to be a dumb motherfucker to think that the PS3 was a risk.
From the PS1 to PS2, Sony added better graphics, online, and a DVD player. From PS2 to PS3, Sony added better graphics, better online, and a Blu-ray player.
How is doing the samething taking a risk?
Like I said, a dumb motherfucker.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Peachylala on October 11, 2009, 08:35:02 PM
You have to be a dumb motherfucker to think that the PS3 was a risk.
Actually you'd have to be the kind of dumb motherfucker who's heading Sony to think it's not a risk, it was a huge pile of unnecessary risks but Sony didn't know that and thought they'd gone with the safest option because they wouldn't want to take a risk.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Stogi on October 12, 2009, 03:00:56 AM
That's my exactly point. They chose the safest option. Saying they took the biggest risks may or may not be true, but they had no intention to gamble.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 12, 2009, 03:04:23 AM
That's my exactly point. They chose the safest option. Saying they took the biggest risks may or may not be true, but they had no intention to gamble.
I don't see what's so safe about loading up a $600 console with features most people will never use. For instance, I'd hazzard a guess that maybe 1% of all PS3 owners actually know about the ability to install an alternative OS to replace the XMB, and of those maybe 5% who would actually use it because the XMB is fine as it is. How about the ability to play streaming video, audio, or images from a network? That's a feature I didn't know it could do until I recently installed Windows 7 and I laughed at seeing a Microsoft logo appear on my PS3 XMB. My PS3 has 4 USB ports, but the console only comes with 1 controller and for the life of me I can't think of any 4-player PS3 games right now, and I'm primarily a single-player gamer anyway. The PS3 is full of stuff like that: features that most people will probably never use but probably do jack up the price. Add them all up and you get a $600 console in a bad economy. Sounds pretty risky to me.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2009, 03:15:30 AM
It was safe because Sony figured 100 million people would run out to buy it regardless of what it cost and that would automatically win them the HD movie format war, which at the time was more important than the cost of the system.
To Sony the risk was NOT putting Blu-ray in the PS3 and losing out on the huge investment that was the HD movie disc format which is expected to be the companies bread and butter over the next decade. The PS3 was their safe bet to use as a Trojan Horse to push the format.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2009, 03:48:49 AM
Blu-ray is this generation's equivalent of laser-disc. Most people do not own HD-capable televisions yet, and of those who do many of them don't really care about it. For example, I have an HD tv but I don't think its so much better than the other TVs that arent HD. And I don't have a blu-ray player, nor any intention of getting one in the near future.
Blu-ray is definitely better than DVD, but its not as much better than DVD as DVD was over VHS. VHS sucked monkey balls, so people were more than willing to rebuild their movie collections with the new format. But with Blu-ray it just doesn't matter as much. DVDs don't have to be re-wound, and they do not wear out the more you play them like VHS did. Also, VHS had crappy sound and video quality even at the best of times. DVD solved these issues, which made DVD a worthy upgrade.... but all Blu-ray offers over DVD is HD, and that just isn't as important. Plus the movies cost more in blu-ray.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2009, 03:55:04 AM
But it's not about what BRD is or isn't, the risk was that Sony put alot behind the tech and needed it to be adopted by the industry as a whole. The risk would have been to NOT include that investment in their "sure to sell, blockbuster hit, get a second job to afford, 5 million sold w/o any games" PS3, as they needed BRD to take off.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on October 12, 2009, 04:01:05 AM
You have to be living in a dream world to think blu-ray isn't getting more and more significant. Just look at the shelf space that is expanding for Blu-ray movies. I'm sorry, I may not be Sony's biggest fan but to say it is the next laser-disk is silly going by the current success of Blu-ray and its rapid expansion.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: UncleBob on October 12, 2009, 07:38:28 AM
You have to be living in a dream world to think blu-ray isn't getting more and more significant. Just look at the shelf space that is expanding for Blu-ray movies. I'm sorry, I may not be Sony's biggest fan but to say it is the next laser-disk is silly going by the current success of Blu-ray and its rapid expansion.
Blu Ray is getting more shelf space because retailers are trying to push it more. I can assure you, sales increases are very nominal in this category.
Notice how, now that HD-DVD is dead, you don't see Sony releasing any more press releases about how many Blu Ray movies they've been selling?
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2009, 02:29:55 PM
Blu-ray is expanding by taking over the niche marketshares once held by HD-DVD. If you take a niche market and another niche market and merge them you have something bigger, but it still isn't that great.
DVD still reigns supreme, and will do so for a long time, I predict. CDs came out in the early 80s and they are still around despite better alternatives like DVD-Audio and so forth. These alternatives are better, but only marginally. And that's how it is with Blu-ray too. Most consumers don't care about the subtle increase in picture quality. When you have to pay $30 for a new movie, its ridiculous.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: UncleBob on October 12, 2009, 08:11:56 PM
June 20th, 2006 - First Major Blu-Ray Movies released (7 titles, including "50 First Dates", "Hitch", and "The Fifth Element".
Aug. 11th, 1997 - First Major DVD Movie released ("Twister")
Aug. 14, 2006 - Last Major VHS Movie released ("A History of Violence")
So, nine years from the first major DVD release, we had the last major VHS release. So, if DVD is still alive and kicking in 2015, we can finally call Blu-Ray a failure.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 13, 2009, 05:56:38 AM
The problem Blu-ray faces isn't just from the existing DVD format.... there's also the problem of even better formats on the horizon such as Holographic Versatile Discs (HVD) and Protein Encoded Discs that will completely blow away Blu-ray's edge and make it totally obsolete.
Blu-ray can hold like 30-50gb per disc, right? Well, HVD and so forth can hold hundreds of GB per disc, so as you can see Blu-ray isn't going to have a long life. BLu-ray won against HD-DVD, but it doesn't matter because before it can even start to put a dent into DVD the Holographic discs and protein discs are going to appear and they'll be the next big thing.
I predict people who invested serious amount of money into Blu-ray drives and media are going to be pissed in a few years when better stuff appears and makes their stuff as obsolete as 8-track tapes...
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 13, 2009, 06:34:11 AM
I predict people who invested serious amount of money into Blu-ray drives and media are going to be pissed in a few years when better stuff appears and makes their stuff as obsolete as 8-track tapes...
Here's the thing, though: the market can't withstand multiple format shifts within a certain period of years. No doubt we have better stuff on the horizon, but in the time we had VHS after it won the war against Betamax we had both Laserdisc and DivX. Despite there being superior formats, though, the market didn't convert until DVD came along. The market is starting to convert with Blu-Ray now, probably nowhere near as quickly as Sony would like but it is doing so. I can't see the market adopting a replacement format for at least 5 years, maybe more depending on the adoption rate of HD-TVs.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 13, 2009, 09:33:38 AM
Why isn't anyone mentioning Apple TV? I heard they would make great games someday too....
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 13, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
I doubt people play games when watching a Fruit Channel.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Peachylala on October 13, 2009, 01:18:46 PM
Why isn't anyone mentioning Apple TV? I heard they would make great games someday too....
Resi Evil 4 Ipod Failure says hi.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Ian Sane on October 13, 2009, 01:47:15 PM
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where our competition tends to be relegated to either select regions or to select consumer audiences.
Translation: MS is only popular in North America and Nintendo is only interested in TEH CASUALZ so pick us, Sony, or Japanese hardcore games are DOOMED. That's the gist I get from it. Actually that's a pretty damn good scare tactic aimed at the PS3's target demo.
The PS3 was a huge risk, just it was a stupid one and I think it's more that we all noticed the risk more than Sony did. Sony was arrogant in thinking that people were willing to pay $600 for a console. They shoehorned Blu-Ray into the whole thing to try to win the format war and if that failed, the PS3 would be even worse off then it is now.
And irony of ironies Sony is now taking more risks than Nintendo because Nintendo changed the market. Nintendo took risks with the Wii launch but since then they've played it super safe. The market embraces stuff like Wii Fit and Wii Sports so Nintendo gives it to them. Note that almost everything else they make involves established Nintendo franchises. As good as a game like Super Mario Galaxy is it is a completely zero-risk title.
Sony meanwhile is aggressively targeting the hardcore market which is now the smaller market and the riskier one. The development costs for these games are higher so each title is a bigger risk. And while Nintendo is busy pumping out more of the same franchises Sony has introduced Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, Resistance and Infamous. Nintendo gets all this credit for being so innovative (and I think that USED to apply) but the irony is that Sony, who is supposedly so generic and cookie cutter, is constantly introducing brand new IP. IP that though critically acclaimed does not have a familiar brand name to rest on. Each time they have to take the risk of unproven IP filling the role of a major first party exclusive. And they were better at this last gen as well as they introduced God of War, Ratchet & Clank, Killzone and Team ICO's games. Last gen Nintendo released Pikmin and what else?
I see people on this forum make fun of LBP, not because they think it's a bad game but because it wasn't the big success Sony was hoping it would be. Yet if Nintendo took a risk with a new IP and it turned out to be a good game but bombed I don't think anyone here would be ragging on it. If anything those same people would be praising Nintendo for taking the risk.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: vudu on October 13, 2009, 02:00:27 PM
Here's the thing, though: the market can't withstand multiple format shifts within a certain period of years. No doubt we have better stuff on the horizon, but in the time we had VHS after it won the war against Betamax we had both Laserdisc and DivX. Despite there being superior formats, though, the market didn't convert until DVD came along. The market is starting to convert with Blu-Ray now, probably nowhere near as quickly as Sony would like but it is doing so. I can't see the market adopting a replacement format for at least 5 years, maybe more depending on the adoption rate of HD-TVs.
The problem with your logic is what happens if a new format is introduced before the majority of consumers "upgrade" to Blu-Ray? The danger to Sony is that they'll skip the format completely and just jump to the even better technology.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2009, 02:05:06 PM
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If Sony had established franchises that they could milk (Ratchet & Clank), then I'm sure they would (GoW). Sony has no choice but to introduce new IP's because they don't have a stable of long standing guaranteed sellers like Nintendo. MS would do the same exact thing if they could (Halo), but they have the same problem as Sony.
WiiFit & WiiSports were both HUGE gambles (also read as RISK), it's just that they both paid off HUGE and Nintendo should be proud of that. Just because they (DS, Wii, Wii____ ) are the huge successes that they are today does not mean that they were safe bets and it was not known that they would be "embraced" when they were being developed, since nothing like it has ever really existed in the console space before. And if we took a look at the history of Sega, we would all know that releasing peripheral after peripheral was a big no no and risk not worth repeating, but Nintendo did it anyway.
As far as games like LBP go, I don't think anybody bashes the game because it's from Sony and it was hyped to all hell, I think they bash it because it wasn't very fun or good. It was pretty, and functioned as demonstrated, but it just wasn't a fun game to play. I'm pretty sure no one here knocks a good game just because it's on a different system, otherwise Uncharted 2 wouldn't be getting the praise that it is.
And Nintendo did take a risk with a new IP, WiiMusic ring a bell? I remember everyone ragging on that game, even though some liked it, a majority of the internet was like WTF Nintendo, WTF is this ****!? SO once again, I'm not really following you here.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 13, 2009, 02:36:14 PM
I would disagree with Wii Fit as a gamble. Once it was introduced, gamers and press alike knew it would be a massive gold mine months before release given the success of wiiSports and wiiPlay. They knew Reggies criptic prophecy of "WiiFit is it" would certainely come to pass.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 13, 2009, 03:05:22 PM
"and it was not known that they would be "embraced" when they were being developed, since nothing like it has ever really existed in the console space before."
Well all your logic trains are off their tracks, cuz the Wii/Fit embrace is simply the spiritual offspring of the love surrounding the Nintendo Entertainment System. Think about how the whole NES experience reaches out to customers, and how that parallels with what goes on today, and how things transformed to bring about 'today.'
All should not start talking risks and gambles until you've agreed on a proper frame of reference.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Ian Sane on October 13, 2009, 03:17:32 PM
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Just because they (DS, Wii, Wii____ ) are the huge successes that they are today does not mean that they were safe bets and it was not known that they would be "embraced" when they were being developed, since nothing like it has ever really existed in the console space before.
I didn't say they weren't risks at first. Wii Fit was probably the last true risk Nintendo took. The Wii series is established now. Even something like Wii Music is still a somewhat safe bet because it has that Wii name. Yeah we were all WTF but we weren't even the target market for it anyway. The sheer fact that it was called "Wii Music" ensured that at the very least it was going to sell with those that bought the previous Wii titles. There was risk they might not like it or that it would have any longterm sales but I highly doubt Nintendo was ever worried about making back their investment on it.
Nintendo took a huge risk with the Wii but since it paid off they have become complacent. You look in the pipeline and you see sequels and the Wii series. In fact that's pretty much the entire Wii first party library right there.
And from the perspective of the traditional game market today's Nintendo is as cookie cutter as you can get.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2009, 03:22:54 PM
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The NES was over 20 years ago, who knows if the level of "love" you are trying to resurrect is still around. How would they know if they can rope back in all the lapsed gamers?
WiiFit when near completion, was probably a media darling because of the success of Wii/Sports/Play and America's sudden health & fitness revival. As much as America (and the rest of the world) can hop on and off the fitness bandwagon, no one would have ever expected WiiFit to be the success that it is today.
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And from the perspective of the traditional game market today's Nintendo is as cookie cutter as you can get.
If it ain't broke, then don't fix it.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 13, 2009, 03:31:54 PM
All the podcasts I listenedto expected Wiifit to sell out like crazy. Go back to some of the old RFN shows for example. In fact, many thought Wiifit would be even more successful by becoming it's own platform. Johnny actually brought this up on the latest episode as it seems Nintendo may finally allow b board only games which is a great step towards a legitimate b board platform.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2009, 03:44:44 PM
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WiiFit when near completion, was probably a media darling because of the success of Wii/Sports/Play and America's sudden health & fitness revival.
But let me finish that thought.
...but when Nintendo said, "hey lets make a exercise game that is dependent on a bathroom scale for balancing and charge $90 for it"... No one could have thought it would be the hardware pushing piece of software that it was today.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 13, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
But that's my point. We all knew it would take off. Even Pachter got this one right.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 13, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
"The NES was over 20 years ago, who knows if the level of "love" you are trying to resurrect is still around. How would they know if they can rope back in all the lapsed gamers?"
You missed the station again.
This is nothing to do with resurrecting old feelings or love or junk like that, nor was it about grabbing the old moldy customers. First an foremost, this is about grabbing NEW customers that the existing products weren't servicing; the few lapsed gamers could follow later, they'll eventually hear about it, but the real numbers are in the new and uninitiated.
Nintendo aimed for the un-tapped un-gaming masses once decades ago, and that's what they aimed and succeeded at today.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 13, 2009, 04:19:42 PM
I know they were aiming at a new audience and that was the risk that they took.(Risk is what we are talking about afterall) It paid off. I simply commented on what you said;
"the Wii/Fit embrace is simply the spiritual offspring of the love surrounding the Nintendo Entertainment System."
But maybe I missed the point you were trying to make since you like to be somewhat cryptic in your wording.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 13, 2009, 04:25:36 PM
Yeah, that's my bad.
Chicken seems to be the theme of the day. My lunch included those buffalo boneless saucy nugget things from Wendy's.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: mac<censored> on October 13, 2009, 11:49:24 PM
Nintendo took risks with the Wii launch but since then they've played it super safe.
Er, so what, do you expect them to continuously take risks without bothering to get some benefit from those risks they have taken? They're reaping the payoff from their previous huge risks, which seems the only sane thing to do!
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Sony, who is supposedly so generic and cookie cutter, is constantly introducing brand new IP.
Of course, the only reason they're constantly introducing "new IP" is that they have bugger-all compelling "old IP".
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 16, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Yet if Nintendo took a risk with a new IP and it turned out to be a good game but bombed I don't think anyone here would be ragging on it.
I suspect you might. I don't understand why, but you never seem to have anything positive to say about Nintendo.
But on this I have to agree with you. I'm very disappointed with the Wii's game library. This may change, and I really hope it does... but I will say you were wrong about Pikmin being the only IP Nintendo introduced for the GC. There was Geist and some others, but these titles failed... they didn't fail because they sucked, they failed because the GC had a tiny userbase of potential buyers and also because those franchises were new and lacked name recognition. Nintendo also failed to advertise those games properly.
So, it is inaccurate to say Nintendo hasn't come up with new franchises in the last 5 years but those franchises flopped for a variety of reasons, and I think this reinforced Nintendo's dependence on their old IPs. This is very unfortunate...
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 16, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
Nintendo came up with Wii Sports and Wii Fit and System Updates.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Peachylala on October 16, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
They also originally helped Sony with the Playstation. History is such a bitch sometimes.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: ThePerm on October 16, 2009, 04:14:04 PM
Nintendo's thoughts this generation were
were a big company, but were not like NES big, what could make us NES big?
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 16, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
Since Nintendo wants to be NES big, I'm suprised they haven't redone Duck Hunt. DH was the first game I saw teh casuals go for while I stuck to Mario Bros. Who knew that title screen with DH and MB side by side, casual and hardcore would eventually explode into the war we fight so hard for 25 years later. At least Nintendo made their intentions clear from the begining.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: KDR_11k on October 16, 2009, 04:46:28 PM
Doesn't Wii Play's shooting gallery fill the Duck hunt role?
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 16, 2009, 05:42:40 PM
Doesn't Wii Play's shooting gallery fill the Duck hunt role?
It does. Would have been nice if Nintendo threw the dog in there for everytime you shout a duck though. That would have made for such a nostalgic moment and even more award for shooting the ducks.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 16, 2009, 08:01:26 PM
I'd like to see Duck Hunt fleshed out into a big WiiWare game, redo the main stage and add a few more, with a neat backs tory, like a guy that needs to shoot enough ducks by dusk or else he's evicted by...wait for it.....Zombies!
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 16, 2009, 08:14:10 PM
A game like Duck Hunt is too controversial nowadays because hunting isn't a mainstream sport anymore like it was in the 80s, and nowadays you'd piss off a lot of yuppies and animal rights activists. That's why Nintendo gave a nod to it in Wii Play with the shooting gallery game, but there are no live animals you shoot at this time.
Hunting games do exist. Cabelas makes quite a few of them... but its not something Nintendo wants to touch, for fear of alienating large amounts of people.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 16, 2009, 08:25:26 PM
Hunting games do exist. Cabelas makes quite a few of them... but its not something Nintendo wants to touch, for fear of alienating large amounts of people.
Didn't consider that. Its funny how 25 years ago the idea that Duck Hunt would someday be offensive is pretty bizarre.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 16, 2009, 08:39:44 PM
A game like Duck Hunt is too controversial nowadays because hunting isn't a mainstream sport anymore like it was in the 80s, and nowadays you'd piss off a lot of yuppies and animal rights activists. That's why Nintendo gave a nod to it in Wii Play with the shooting gallery game, but there are no live animals you shoot at this time.
You do realize that there are DUCKS* in WiiPlay, hence my comment about using the dog to retrieve the ducks when you shoot them.
*a duck is a live animal ;)
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 17, 2009, 05:16:57 AM
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"In an industry that's certainly had its challenges this year, we like to say that the environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry. We have a brand that can play on a worldwide basis, young and old, male and female, where our competition tends to be relegated to either select regions or to select consumer audiences. ...We don't have unlimited money, we cater to a more mass market audience. I think we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo is and ultimately we deliver to the masses on a worldwide basis and that's what we've done for the last 15 years." - SCEA boss Jack Tretton
I'm pretty late to this thread but this quote next to some bottom lines is really, really funny
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 17, 2009, 06:37:18 AM
A game like Duck Hunt is too controversial nowadays because hunting isn't a mainstream sport anymore like it was in the 80s, and nowadays you'd piss off a lot of yuppies and animal rights activists. That's why Nintendo gave a nod to it in Wii Play with the shooting gallery game, but there are no live animals you shoot at this time.
You do realize that there are DUCKS* in WiiPlay, hence my comment about using the dog to retrieve the ducks when you shoot them.
*a duck is a live animal ;)
You do realize that we will probably never see a Duck Hunt sequel with actual ducks, right? It's barbaric and definitely not considered family friendly anymore to go out and use "live animals" as target practice. Maybe those redneck hunting games can get away with it because no one really gives a damn about them, but the moment Nintendo does it again you'll see outrage.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 17, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
But... Didn't he just say there are ducks in WiiPlay...? Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2009, 03:12:43 PM
But... Didn't he just say there are ducks in WiiPlay...? Or am I missing something?
I never played WiiPlay so i'm not positive about this but..
because he mentioned a shooting gallery within the game, perhaps the ducks being pointed out aren't "real" ducks within the game, but cardboard cut-out images of ducks...?
I dunno, i'm just as confused about that post as you are.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 17, 2009, 03:14:32 PM
A game like Duck Hunt is too controversial nowadays because hunting isn't a mainstream sport anymore like it was in the 80s, and nowadays you'd piss off a lot of yuppies and animal rights activists. That's why Nintendo gave a nod to it in Wii Play with the shooting gallery game, but there are no live animals you shoot at this time.
You do realize that there are DUCKS* in WiiPlay, hence my comment about using the dog to retrieve the ducks when you shoot them.
*a duck is a live animal ;)
You do realize that we will probably never see a Duck Hunt sequel with actual ducks, right? It's barbaric and definitely not considered family friendly anymore to go out and use "live animals" as target practice. Maybe those redneck hunting games can get away with it because no one really gives a damn about them, but the moment Nintendo does it again you'll see outrage.
But... Didn't he just say there are ducks in WiiPlay...? Or am I missing something?
They quack, and then a second or so later they fly across the screen. there are ducks in each of the five sections of the shooting gallery, so I don't know WTH Broodwars is talking about. Selective Understanding FTL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQeHjQziSzA
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 17, 2009, 03:24:07 PM
Seriously, Internet, what the ****.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 17, 2009, 03:44:47 PM
Yeah, those look like ducks to me.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 17, 2009, 05:37:33 PM
Hey, you guys are the ones who mentioned that they weren't "real" ducks. I have better things to do with my time than play shitty Wii minigame collections, so the hell if I'd know if it was true or not.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 17, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
But I told you it was there and you just kinda glossed over it. oh and BTW some of the WiiPlay games are really good and challenging.
You should try tank & air hockey on multi and go for the record on shooting gallery.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Deguello on October 17, 2009, 07:24:49 PM
Gotta love how this all breaks down into personal definitions of whatever. Nobody's wrong!
Nintendo certainly does risk a lot more than Sony, and it's basically proven by the way both were presented going into this generation. Starting around 2004 Nintendo was "crazy" and "working on their next Virtual Boy" and Sony was doing the things that would assure them victory with the PSP and PS3.
Just because we have 3 years of hindsight under our belts doesn't mean what Nintendo did was a sure bet and what Sony did was foolhardy (well, maybe the $600 thing was.) in 2006. And furthermore, just being rash and stupid doesn't equivocate to taking risks. My economics professor put it best when he told us that risk is trying to cross a rickety bridge and being stupid was jumping off a cliff and hoping a bridge would form under you. Making Wii Fit amidst all the criticism of abandoning hardcores and destroying videogames was risky. Making a updated handheld that's almost 50% more expensive while slashing features and robbing your customers of their ownership rights is stupid (and also not risky either. How much has been said of the future of "digital distribution?" Sony's just responding to the fan's wants.)
Nintendo risked much more in making the DS and Wii than Sony did with the PSP and PS3. Sony stuck with familiar territory. It was Nintendo who zagged while others zigged. New IPs aren't a good measure of "taking risks" either. Mainly because Sony only does that when their current IPs barely make a ripple. Of the ones that DO stick in the marketplace, Sony drives them into the ground with vicious tenacity. Like Ratchet and Clank, Socom, Crash Bandicoot (which they sold off once it was no longer useful. Go artistic company). And numerous times, these "new IPs" are just a version of an already existing game, like the Getaway is to GTA.
Uh well... in conclusion, don't confuse being risky with being stupid, and don't be results-oriented and use hindsight to judge either.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on October 17, 2009, 07:35:27 PM
Would you rather have a "new IP" with tired, cliche gameplay, or fresh, new gameplay with an old IP attached? If you answer the former, I almost pity your worthless ass. :reggie:
In fact, Team ICO is the only team that Sony has that is worth their salt. Though their games are mediocre, at least they try to do something different.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 17, 2009, 08:14:35 PM
Nintendo risked much more in making the DS and Wii than Sony did with the PSP and PS3. Sony stuck with familiar territory. It was Nintendo who zigged with the DS and zagged with the Wii while others stayed the course.
fixed
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: D_Average on October 17, 2009, 10:13:41 PM
In his defense, they could be robotic ducks, but we may never really know. But yes, that and tanks are fun games on WiiPlay, worth picking up for a few bucks if you find a copy.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 18, 2009, 07:37:34 PM
A game like Duck Hunt is too controversial nowadays because hunting isn't a mainstream sport anymore like it was in the 80s, and nowadays you'd piss off a lot of yuppies and animal rights activists. That's why Nintendo gave a nod to it in Wii Play with the shooting gallery game, but there are no live animals you shoot at this time.
You do realize that there are DUCKS* in WiiPlay, hence my comment about using the dog to retrieve the ducks when you shoot them.
*a duck is a live animal ;)
There may be ducks, but you don't shoot at them... or if you do they don't die. That's kinda my point... Nintendo will not release a game where you shoot and kill animals. 25 years ago people didn't care or were okay with it, but most people nowadays have never went hunting or even touched a shotgun in their entire life. I know its weird, but even though most people are okay with eating meat many of them are not okay with killing animals for food or sport. They'll eat steak and hamburgers, but they are not willing to do what it takes to put that stuff on the table.
Nintendo wants to make stuff that appeals to all ages, and groups, and shooting ducks would go against that and probably get them in hot water. Its not hard to see where there hasn't been a proper duck hunt sequel, and why there probably never will be one.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: broodwars on October 18, 2009, 07:43:07 PM
A game like Duck Hunt is too controversial nowadays because hunting isn't a mainstream sport anymore like it was in the 80s, and nowadays you'd piss off a lot of yuppies and animal rights activists. That's why Nintendo gave a nod to it in Wii Play with the shooting gallery game, but there are no live animals you shoot at this time.
You do realize that there are DUCKS* in WiiPlay, hence my comment about using the dog to retrieve the ducks when you shoot them.
*a duck is a live animal ;)
There may be ducks, but you don't shoot at them... or if you do they don't die. That's kinda my point... Nintendo will not release a game where you shoot and kill animals. 25 years ago people didn't care or were okay with it, but most people nowadays have never went hunting or even touched a shotgun in their entire life. I know its weird, but even though most people are okay with eating meat many of them are not okay with killing animals for food or sport. They'll eat steak and hamburgers, but they are not willing to do what it takes to put that stuff on the table.
Nintendo wants to make stuff that appeals to all ages, and groups, and shooting ducks would go against that and probably get them in hot water. Its not hard to see where there hasn't been a proper duck hunt sequel, and why there probably never will be one.
For the record, I don't have any problem with hunting so long as it's for the purpose of providing food. That's the way of nature. It's hunting for sheer sport, killing animals just for the purpose of killing that bothers me. The way Duck Hunt presents it as a game is why I don't think we'll ever see a true Duck Hunt sequel.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2009, 07:59:02 PM
A game like Duck Hunt is too controversial nowadays because hunting isn't a mainstream sport anymore like it was in the 80s, and nowadays you'd piss off a lot of yuppies and animal rights activists. That's why Nintendo gave a nod to it in Wii Play with the shooting gallery game, but there are no live animals you shoot at this time.
You do realize that there are DUCKS* in WiiPlay, hence my comment about using the dog to retrieve the ducks when you shoot them.
*a duck is a live animal ;)
There may be ducks, but you don't shoot at them... or if you do they don't die. That's kinda my point... Nintendo will not release a game where you shoot and kill animals. 25 years ago people didn't care or were okay with it, but most people nowadays have never went hunting or even touched a shotgun in their entire life. I know its weird, but even though most people are okay with eating meat many of them are not okay with killing animals for food or sport. They'll eat steak and hamburgers, but they are not willing to do what it takes to put that stuff on the table.
Nintendo wants to make stuff that appeals to all ages, and groups, and shooting ducks would go against that and probably get them in hot water. Its not hard to see where there hasn't been a proper duck hunt sequel, and why there probably never will be one.
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All I can say is before you decide to reply again, PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD, and use your mouse to watch this youtube video of someone playing WiiPlay Shooting Gallery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQeHjQziSzA
I don't want to spoil the surprise, but.... In every section there are ducks, and he shoots them, and then die, and they fall out of the sky.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Stogi on October 18, 2009, 09:03:53 PM
This is the dumbest fucking conversation in the entire forum.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Deguello on October 18, 2009, 09:16:16 PM
Yeah this thread is the pits. I hate it when people just don't do basic research and the thread gets derailed having to deal with phantom issues. they'll say stupid stuff like "Nintendo oughta remake Rad Racer" which just sends the facepalms a-flying.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Peachylala on October 18, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
Yeah this thread is the pits. I hate it when people just don't do basic research and the thread gets derailed having to deal with phantom issues. they'll say stupid stuff like "Nintendo oughta remake Rad Racer" which just sends the facepalms a-flying.
This is pretty typical these days though.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2009, 09:31:07 PM
Would you rather have a "new IP" with tired, cliche gameplay, or fresh, new gameplay with an old IP attached? If you answer the former, I almost pity your worthless ass. :reggie:
You sound like you're actually working with Nintendo. Their games got stale because they tried to innovate on gameplay while failing to innovate on content. I mean, everybody says Twilight Princess was OOT 2 yet the gameplay has many differences. What didn't differ much was the actual content, what you did with that gameplay. People don't want water packs stuck to their character or wolf transformations, those are just gimmicks because they add nonsense without changing the game's fundamentals. If you want to innovate on gameplay make sure the difference is huge but either way make sure the user actually gets a new experience out of it, not an old one with some bells and whistles added.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Ian Sane on October 19, 2009, 07:58:23 PM
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Would you rather have a "new IP" with tired, cliche gameplay, or fresh, new gameplay with an old IP attached?
I would pick fresh new gameplay. Too bad that isn't really an option these days. It's more like new IP with tired, cliche gameplay or stale IP with tired, cliche gameplay.
And I even like these games. I like Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy. And Nintendo does try some new concepts in these games (but then most developers add some new features to their sequels). But the setting and the characters are stale.
Most games are derivative to an extent. Only a small handful of truly original games come out each generation. Most of the time it's a familiar genre with a hook. Look at a game like Infamous and you might think "big deal, it's just another sandbox game." Well yeah but it's a sandbox game where you're a superhero. It has a little twist to shake things up and you get to see a new setting and meet new characters. A developer isn't going to reinvent the wheel each time but when they're going to do something fairly routine you hope they can spice it up a bit.
But Nintendo doesn't really do that by clinging to their franchises so much. There is no freshness in the setting or the characters. So a big part of the newness is automatically thrown out the window. So you're left with Zelda... where you can turn into a wolf and Mario... in space. It becomes much harder to provide something fresh and exciting to the player when the genre, setting and characters are all generic. You might say I'm selling Twilight Princess short when I'm saying it's just Zelda with a wolf. But for someone that has played the other Zelda game that IS all there is to it aside from a few unique items.
Back on the N64 you look at a game like Banjo-Kazooie. From a gameplay perspective it's really Nintendo doing Super Mario 64 again with a few new ideas and with Rare developing it. But it didn't feel like just more Super Mario 64 because Rare introduced a new IP. All the characters were new (well some of them debuted in Diddy Kong Racing but close enough) and the world was new. That combined with some of the minor gameplay twists made for a refreshing experience. Now of course Rare went nuts with platformers on the N64 and kind of burned that thing out but the first time they did it it worked very well.
Nintendo has this attitude that story and presentation don't matter but that ain't really true. Gameplay is more important but story is just part of good game design. Having interesting characters and an interesting setting helps provide an escape for the player.
When Sony introduces a new IP they might be using a genre that has already been done but they're still creating a new world for the player to explore. That is significant. It's been a long time since Nintendo gave us a new world to explore. And when both companies are mostly sticking to genre games for their core gaming offerings new IP gets the edge.
Now if Nintendo wants to pop out some new gameplay that isn't a glorified mini-game comp or the same old thing with irresponsive controls then that changes everything. But until that happens I'll give Sony the win in a "best of the worst" decision.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Arbok on October 23, 2009, 12:19:04 PM
There may be ducks, but you don't shoot at them... or if you do they don't die. That's kinda my point... Nintendo will not release a game where you shoot and kill animals.
There are ducks, and you do shoot at them... although I agree with Chozo here. They have the cartoon "dizzy stars" around them which would elevate the feeling that they are being killed for anyone who might be concerned. So Nintendo took the middle ground with... "concussion duck shooting" I suppose.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2009, 12:28:48 PM
I shoot and kill all kinds of animals in Metroid Prime.
I shoot and kill various winged animals in Zelda.
I throw chickens over cliffs and piglets into watery graves in Zelda.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Deguello on October 28, 2009, 01:35:02 AM
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When Sony introduces a new IP they might be using a genre that has already been done but they're still creating a new world for the player to explore. That is significant. It's been a long time since Nintendo gave us a new world to explore. And when both companies are mostly sticking to genre games for their core gaming offerings new IP gets the edge.
What do you mean by "genre" games? Can anything ever NOT be a "genre" game? I can think of a few, but you won't like them. (Wii Fit, Brain Age)
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: ThePerm on October 28, 2009, 03:53:15 AM
i think what Ian is getting at, is Nintendo could make some great games if they just changed the setting and used the same gameplay. Like make a game with zelda gameplay, and a castlevania like theme.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: Peachylala on October 28, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
Well what about that blacknmild guy?! He immerses chickens in boiling oil (my god the pain must be unbearable), and then devours their ravaged corpses -- and then he dances and sings about it, as if to desecrate even their memory!
I think I'm going to be ill.
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2009, 03:03:36 AM
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♪ "Chicken, some chicken you know you want, you know you want some chicken, some chicken, some fried, crispy, greasy, yummy" [repeat] ♪
Title: Re: Sony bad-mouths Nintendo yet again
Post by: EasyCure on October 29, 2009, 09:29:18 AM
