Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
The point being that a collection of games on the HD consoles use the same color pallete? Been there, done that. Don't care, because I don't play those shooters anyway. Next!
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
The point being that a collection of games on the HD consoles use the same color pallete? Been there, done that. Don't care, because I don't play those shooters anyway. Next!
Same color palette, same textures, same models, same levels.
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2009, 05:12:24 PM
Hahaha Trick is on all of you. They were all pics from the same game. They have been releasing the same game over and over again on the HD consoles, with the only difference being the name. hahaha sheep.
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 11, 2009, 05:28:50 PM
I love how first-person shooters = all of HD gaming. Like these are the ONLY 8-10 games available for HD consoles.
I could make a similar poll of cartoony Wii games and call it WII FAIL!!!!
What's your point, aside from trolling non-Nintendo consoles?
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2009, 05:30:04 PM
Ok let's post pictures of different big name Wii games and see if Lindy's conclusion is true that you can't tell the difference between each game. The fact is that in this poll are all major HD games. So it would only be fair to do the same with the big Wii games, and see!
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2009, 05:31:14 PM
I love how first-person shooters = all of HD gaming. Like these are the ONLY 8-10 games available for HD consoles.
I could make a similar poll of cartoony Wii games and call it WII FAIL!!!!
What's your point, aside from trolling non-Nintendo consoles?
NintendoWorldReport
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: Plugabugz on September 11, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
Trolling is hip. Not quite hip replacement yet, but still hip.
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 11, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
I think this topic has merit in the sense that instead of creating something new with HD graphics they tend to stick with the tried and true. I made a similar topic back when I first got my 360 when I noticed how many games shared the same engine, the same design and even the same textures.
I think it could, however, have been expressed in a better way.
Title: Re: HD gaming FAIL!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 11, 2009, 09:22:44 PM
I changed the title to "HD shooters fail" because you won't be seeing LBP or Uncharted in that list.
I did my level best at this quiz and got around 45%. Seriously, the point that many shooters look identical is a valid one.
If the thread is that bad, move it to the funhouse.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Caliban on September 11, 2009, 09:54:25 PM
100% lol
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 11, 2009, 10:55:54 PM
I don't have a Facebook account, but I'm pretty sure I got all of them right. The screens are small, too mask the discrepancies, but none of those games are actually *that* much alike. The ones without a HUD can be hard to tell, but come on, showing a first person view of a realistic earth-based scene and saying every FPS is the same is a pretty weak argument. You might as well show pics of a racetrack and blur the makes and models of the cars, shrink the pics, and try to argue that all racers are the same.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Caliban on September 11, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
Answers: Haze; Quake 4; Call of Duty 4; Halo ODST; Killzone 2; Gears of War 2; Resistence 2; Fear 2; Half-Life 2; Wolfenstein; Halo 3.
The screens are small, too mask the discrepancies, but none of those games are actually *that* much alike. The ones without a HUD can be hard to tell, but come on, showing a first person view of a realistic earth-based scene and saying every FPS is the same is a pretty weak argument. You might as well show pics of a racetrack and blur the makes and models of the cars, shrink the pics, and try to argue that all racers are the same.
I honestly can't wait for Nintendo's next system, and then I want to see what people will complain about. hey maybe we will get ports of these old HD games lol.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2009, 11:23:37 PM
We will have colorful HD games. Full spectrum vibrant living colors. we've got over 32,000 of them to use, no need to focus on only those in the Brown sector of the HD spectrum.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 11, 2009, 11:36:43 PM
I don't have a Facebook account, but I'm pretty sure I got all of them right. The screens are small, too mask the discrepancies, but none of those games are actually *that* much alike. The ones without a HUD can be hard to tell, but come on, showing a first person view of a realistic earth-based scene and saying every FPS is the same is a pretty weak argument. You might as well show pics of a racetrack and blur the makes and models of the cars, shrink the pics, and try to argue that all racers are the same.
The fact you have to think at all makes it sad considering those games and games that look like those dominate the charts for 360/PS3.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 12, 2009, 01:03:31 AM
There's a reason Uncharted and LBP aren't in the list.
They actually feature boatloads of colors.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Peachylala on September 12, 2009, 01:06:29 AM
The latter features a boatload of gameplay problems, but then again, the Sony fanbase ignores flaws and throws away money.
We, the Nintendo fanbase, are kind of the same, except we buy games when they are GOOD.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: broodwars on September 12, 2009, 01:11:47 AM
The latter features a boatload of gameplay problems, but then again, the Sony fanbase ignores flaws and throws away money.
We, the Nintendo fanbase, are kind of the same, except we buy games when they are GOOD.
*snicker*
Right, and this would be why Carnival Games is a top-selling Wii game?
LittleBigPlanet is a fine game that's just lacking a satisfying single-player and has a troublesome physics engine when it comes to jumping (it's too realistic, so Sackboy can only jump a foot or so forward and half that upward).
And I hate to keep bringing this game up (but I will, since everyone forgets it), but you guys are forgetting Valkyria Chronicles in your list of non-brown gorgeous HD games.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 12, 2009, 01:12:46 AM
The latter features a boatload of gameplay problems, but then again, the Sony fanbase ignores flaws and throws away money.
We, the Nintendo fanbase, are kind of the same, except we buy games when they are GOOD.
*snicker*
Right, and this would be why Carnival Games is a top-selling Wii game?
LittleBigPlanet is a fine game that's just lacking a satisfying single-player and has a troublesome physics engine when it comes to jumping (it's too realistic, so Sackboy can only jump a foot or so forward and half that upward).
And I hate to keep bringing this game up (but I will, since everyone forgets it), but you guys are forgetting Valkyria Chronicles in your list of non-brown gorgeous HD games.
The Nintendo fanbase and the Wii userbase are not the same thing; the former is a small subset of the latter.
And I don't forget about Valkyria Chronicles, that's the one and only game that I would want for the PS3.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: NWR_Lindy on September 12, 2009, 12:24:20 PM
I think this topic has merit in the sense that instead of creating something new with HD graphics they tend to stick with the tried and true.
You could make the same argument about Nintendo and their franchises. Instead of creating new IP they stick with the tried and true - Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Metroid Prime re-release, New Play Control re-releases, etc. Of course, the counter-argument to that is the new stuff they've done like Wii Sports/Resort, Punch-Out!!, Wii Fit, Wii Music, and a bunch of awesome (and original) DS games.
My point is that this all feeds into a stereotype that reinforces what you don't like about the other consoles. So what if you don't like first-person shooters? Just ignore them. They aren't made for you anyways, just like Nintendo games on the whole aren't made for some people either. This entire thread is fanboy troll-baiting, and it gets so old. You could go to a PS3 or 360 forum and see a thread just like this turned around on the Wii, with the same hyperbolic arguments and blanket statements.
Stuff like this just drags down the atmosphere of these forums...that's why I don't like it.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 12:45:28 PM
Yes because there are 20 similar looking kart racers on the Wii and DS, not to mention a dozen or so 4 player fighers, or fighters in general that play almost the same, can't forget all the Metroid Prime Clones, etc etc.
And Nintendo really should stop milking its franchises. Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart Wii Tournament Edition & Mario Kart: GTHD are just too similar and frequent. The madness must stop.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: King of Twitch on September 12, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
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Stuff like this just drags down the atmosphere of these forums...that's why I don't like it.
Says the guy who trolled the NWR forums on his honeymoon ;)
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on September 12, 2009, 01:14:06 PM
To a certain extend, I agree that this topic could have presented itself in a better way. But it DOES have merit in the sense that it displays one of the biggest issues this generation has seen; console typecasting.
Developers see that X game sells on Y console and figure out that in order to see success on Y console you must make X games for it. On the HD platforms they think dark and realistic shooters sell the most. On the Wii they see that casual games sell the best. All three suffer from the issue of being typecasted into being one kind of console.
There ARE games that differ from the norm. Games like Little Big Planet, Blaz Blu, Street Fighter and such on the HD consoles, Muramasa, No More Heroes, Conduit and such on the Wii.
Again, I think the topic of discussion has merit since its an issue that has plagued this generation of games. It just needed to be presented in a better manner rather than the tired fanboy cliche.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 01:34:20 PM
The word of the thread is Merit:
when you see someone say merit, I want everyone to SCREAM. AHhhhhhhhHhHHhHHH!!!
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Pale on September 12, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
You had to qualify this with "HD" because if you put the Conduit in there every could point it out because of lack of resolution!
I can haz trollz too!
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Mop it up on September 12, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
I think this thread shows what's wrong with the current generation of gaming: too much criticizing of systems people don't own and of games people never played, and not enough actual playing of the games people do own and celebrating what they like. I guess it stems from people not being able to afford all three systems so they have to fool themselves into believing a system they don't own is worthless and has bad games.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Pale on September 12, 2009, 02:21:38 PM
Now, to be serious, I just wanted to point something out about this thread that really hits the nail on the head as far as the problem with these forums.
This thread has been reported for trolling by several people. Some of them point out that the entire thread is trolling non Nintendo systems.
Other reports complain that the people are trolling Nintendo for defending the other consoles.
Does anyone else see how ridiculous this is? Seriously, so many people on this board need to take the freaking blinders off. Stop reporting this thread. There is nothing I can do to it that will make people happy.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Pale on September 12, 2009, 02:22:03 PM
Well said Mop.. you typed that out while I was typing mine.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: King of Twitch on September 12, 2009, 02:23:24 PM
Please.
How can you have a console war without....war?
edit: I didn't see Pale's post first
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 12, 2009, 02:25:06 PM
I think this thread shows what's wrong with the current generation of gaming: too much criticizing of systems people don't own and of games people never played, and not enough actual playing of the games people do own and celebrating what they like. I guess it stems from people not being able to afford all three systems so they have to fool themselves into believing a system they don't own is worthless and has bad games.
Mop_it_up wins the thread.
To add on to that the problem this gen is an elitest mentality. Just enjoy the games that each system has and don't put down other systems. It really gets tiring seeing this happen over and over again.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 12, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
I think this topic has merit in the sense that instead of creating something new with HD graphics they tend to stick with the tried and true.
You could make the same argument about Nintendo and their franchises. Instead of creating new IP they stick with the tried and true - Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Metroid Prime re-release, New Play Control re-releases, etc. Of course, the counter-argument to that is the new stuff they've done like Wii Sports/Resort, Punch-Out!!, Wii Fit, Wii Music, and a bunch of awesome (and original) DS games.
My point is that this all feeds into a stereotype that reinforces what you don't like about the other consoles. So what if you don't like first-person shooters? Just ignore them. They aren't made for you anyways, just like Nintendo games on the whole aren't made for some people either. This entire thread is fanboy troll-baiting, and it gets so old. You could go to a PS3 or 360 forum and see a thread just like this turned around on the Wii, with the same hyperbolic arguments and blanket statements.
Stuff like this just drags down the atmosphere of these forums...that's why I don't like it.
In all honesty, I posted this with the goal of simply saying "Haha! Look, it's funny!", but I think I'll turn this discussion serious now since a very good point has just been presented here...
Yes, you're right: there are threads on other forums dedicated to the PS360 mocking the Wii, but the same threads exist on general gaming forums as well.
The Wii is regarded as crap on most any general gaming forum. Why is that? Is it because it HONESTLY had zero games worth playing? Of course not: I spend my free time playing Brawl and whatever I rent from GameFly, which recently included Overlord (which was great but short), LKS, Punchout and now I'm starting on the Conduit. This very minute, I'm reliving the days of my youth with Sonic the Hedgehog on the virtual console. The Wii is a FANTASTIC platform for games.
So why does it get trashed in any non-Nintendo forum and even some Nintendo specific forums?
Let's think back to the GC for a minute. I don't care what anyone says, the GC was a goddamn good system. SSBM, Pikmin 1&2, Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, FF:CC, Four Swords, Eternal Darkness, MGS:TS, Geist (the aiming was the ONLY downside of this game), Super Monkey Ball, F-ZeroGX, Metroid Prime 1&2, Animal Crossing, etc., etc. Yet, it routinely got **** all over, especially by the people who were supposed to be the GC-specific editors! (I'm looking at YOU, IGN).
I've looked over the library of the original Xbox: 90% of it was utter crap. All this militant Xbox fanboyism that went on back then was nothing more than smoke and mirrors and male posturing. These guys sure as hell weren't going on about the wonderful games the system had, but the system itself.
But here's the fucking ridiculous part: it WORKED! All of the FUD that Microsoft succeeded in spreading, combined with the lack of support for the GC by its own alleged proponents meant that any kid looking to pick up a console of that generation was unlikely to pick up a GC for fear of ridicule. It was an excellent system with many, MANY AAA games, and yet none of that mattered because, when push came to shove, no one would stand up for the GC.
Let's look at the GC's closest approximation this gen, the PS3. The PS3 is in dead last, launched with terribad numbers, has suffered a huge drought of quality exclusives and has been plagued by price point problems from day one. For all the flak they take, the Sony Defense Force doesn't...give...up. I don't see IGN PS3 editors talking about playing Halo 3 instead of reviewing Killzone 2, because despite the fact that the PS3 is in a far, FAR more laughable state than the GC ever was (Giant enemy crab, 599 US dollars, you'll get a 2nd job to buy one, etc.), they haven't quit on it.
I'm not saying that militant fanboyism is a good thing, but the problem lies in the fact that no doubt many potential Wii owners have been pushed away from owning a Wii. They check online, largely uneducated, to see what people are saying about it, and when they see PS360 sites lambasting the Wii and ALSO see Wii sites lambasting the Wii, odds are they're not going to pick one up.
I think Nintendo saw this happening and the blue ocean was also intended to shift the customer base OUT of the group that succumbs to peer pressure and FUD.
The point is, the HD consoles can handle themselves (I have a 360 and PS3 as well, FYI). They're attached to gigantic, multinational corporations who will disappear from the market the minute that the "owning the living room" dream is made irrelevant by some unforeseen sweeping change and they'll be off to greener pastures.
But Nintendo is in this until the bitter end: I believe them when they say they'll go out of business before selling out. Right now, the FUD has basically succeeded in convincing the internet that the Wii has no good games to play, despite the MANY examples to the contrary that abound. If we, the alleged Nintendo fans, don't stick up for the console, then our silence equates damnation for the Wii. To the many thousands of lurkers this forum sees daily, I'm sure most come away with the idea that even a community built around Nintendo has few good things to say about the Wii.
I believe the Wii is the best of the three consoles, by leaps and bounds. I believe that motion control is just waiting for an enterprising developer to unveil its true potential. In my support of the Wii, I don't see anything wrong with poking fun at some of the very WORST trends in gaming, such as the endless rehashing of the same goddamn FPS over and over and over again. I'm actually a FPS connoisseur, which is why I see TF2 as proof that god loves humanity, hence why I balk at the endless parade of stale, uninspired shooters (Conduit included).
In summary, poking fun at the "enemy" is not only warranted but is necessary to maintain a sense that, yes, there IS a fanbase behind the Wii. Besides, this is pretty harmless compared to what you might see on other forums. It's not like this thread is titled "PS360 ARE GIANT PIECES OF ****!!!", but I'm sure you can find a thread suggesting the very same about the Wii on many other forums.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 12, 2009, 02:38:29 PM
I think this thread shows what's wrong with the current generation of gaming: too much criticizing of systems people don't own and of games people never played, and not enough actual playing of the games people do own and celebrating what they like. I guess it stems from people not being able to afford all three systems so they have to fool themselves into believing a system they don't own is worthless and has bad games.
I own all three consoles. I've played games from all of them and found myself liking/being disappointed with games from all three. What I've pointed out here is a problem on the PS360. I'd love to see more Uncharteds, LBPs and Assassin's Creeds. God willing, we'll see more of these instead of just more stale shooters with gimmicks.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 02:40:21 PM
Whats actually surprising is that the PS3 is doing almost exactly the same as the GC despite the original price tag of $599. If you line uip the launches of the PS3 to the 360, they are actually pretty even at this point.
The Wii is on par with the PS2 software wise and was outpacing it hardware wise, until recently.
The 360 is doing similar to what the Xbox did, which is not much better than the GC.
The parallels are kind of funny.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Mop it up on September 12, 2009, 02:45:04 PM
You know what they say, those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: King of Twitch on September 12, 2009, 02:46:30 PM
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The point is, the HD consoles can handle themselves (I have a 360 and PS3 as well, FYI). They're attached to gigantic, multinational corporations who will disappear from the market the minute that the "owning the living room" dream is made irrelevant by some unforeseen sweeping change and they'll be off to greener pastures.
Thank you Smash Brother for putting it in perspective. Either defend gaming or climb aboard the trojan horse at the gates of your living room. To me the choice is clear.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: D_Average on September 12, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Wow. I took the quiz. And failed miserably. I must say, I'm shocked. And saddened. Definitely giving up shooters now, whats the point?
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 02:54:14 PM
Wow. I took the quiz. And failed miserably. I must say, I'm shocked. And saddened. Definitely giving up shooters now, whats the point?
Well if you've played one HD shooter, you've played them all.
So basically Resistance 2 and Battlefield 1943 are the same thing? Good to know. I won't bother with Battlefield then.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 12, 2009, 03:16:55 PM
I took the quiz but didn't get to see results because I would have had to make an account for that.
All HD shooters are about moving a shopping trolley carrying your reticle over the few pixels of enemy head you can see and then giving off a single bullet. The same goes for CoD4 DS except the reticle is smoother to control and the whole game a lot less fun. Oh and there's always cover and regenerating health, usually also a severely limited weapon capacity (like 2). But well, what do I know living in a country where GoW2 was never released and games like the good CoDs are so overpriced I won't buy them.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 03:46:44 PM
KDR see the post above you. your not missing anything.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on September 12, 2009, 03:52:56 PM
I noticed that Half Life 2 is included in the quiz, as well as Halo 3. If anyone thinks that these are two identical gaming experiences, then I'd be surprised. Half Life 2 is a carefully crafted single player adventure, and Halo 3 is a competitive multiplayer first person military sim.
I really do love shooters in the vein of Half Life 2 and Bioshock, and I really don't care for military themed or competitive FPS games. I don't see a lot ground to gain bashing these games, I just choose not to play them.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 12, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
I noticed that Half Life 2 is included in the quiz, as well as Halo 3. If anyone thinks that these are two identical gaming experiences, then I'd be surprised. Half Life 2 is a carefully crafted single player adventure, and Halo 3 is a competitive multiplayer first person military sim.
I really do love shooters in the vein of Half Life 2 and Bioshock, and I really don't care for military themed or competitive FPS games. I don't see a lot ground to gain bashing these games, I just choose not to play them.
Well I don't think I said that Half-Life 2 isn't a good game, nor many of the ones on the list, but my point is that it is sad that the artistic styles are so similar that is very hard to tell may of these apart. To me it shows a problem with artistic design in the gaming industry more then anything, yeah there are exceptions, like Bioshock but too many of these games leave creative visuals in the garbage can for realism. That trend bothers me a bit.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: D_Average on September 12, 2009, 04:12:23 PM
So why does The Conduit get such a pass from many (not all) Wii loyalists? Sure, its not a grey/brown shooter, and its not HD, but the style of the characters and environments look like the same shooters we played around the turn of the century? Why the double standard? Hmmm....
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 12, 2009, 04:14:13 PM
So why does The Conduit get such a pass from many (not all) Wii loyalists? Sure, its not a grey/brown shooter, and its not HD, but the style of the characters and environments look like the same shooters we played around the turn of the century? Why the double standard? Hmmm....
I don't recall anyone defending the Conduit as a brilliant artistic achievement in visuals, feel free to find someone that said that. People liked the Conduit because it was a solid FPS and enjoyed the Wiimote controls.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 04:18:29 PM
Us Wii owners are just hoping to achieve the same level of mediocrity that the HD consoles get shoved down their throat. The Conduit was a good first step.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Plugabugz on September 12, 2009, 04:28:27 PM
Does anyone else see how ridiculous this is? Seriously, so many people on this board need to take the freaking blinders off. Stop reporting this thread. There is nothing I can do to it that will make people happy.
Yes there is. But i will not say it as you can edit my brain and find out for yourself.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 12, 2009, 05:28:09 PM
People like the Conduit because it has great controls, and a lot of online features - aside form that, it's the same as every other FPS too. It should be on this list. In that sense, every single game in the "quiz" is at least a "solid" FPS.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Mop it up on September 12, 2009, 05:43:54 PM
You can't take one screenshot from each game and say they're all exactly the same. I'll bet I could take a screenshot from Super Mario Galaxy and Halo 3 which looks similar.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: King of Twitch on September 12, 2009, 05:53:06 PM
You could try it. But the wimpy, impotent hero and lame, lifeless environments would give Halo away.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Plugabugz on September 12, 2009, 05:57:17 PM
You can't take one screenshot from each game and say they're all exactly the same. I'll bet I could take a screenshot from Super Mario Galaxy and Halo 3 which looks similar.
I'll take that bet. You make that happen and I will give you your 200 Wii points back.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 12, 2009, 06:41:48 PM
You can't take one screenshot from each game and say they're all exactly the same. I'll bet I could take a screenshot from Super Mario Galaxy and Halo 3 which looks similar.
I would like to think I know what I'm talking about considering I own virtually every big FPS out there. The fact is that they share very similar artistic style, no way would SMG even look like Halo 3 from a screenshot. You do not need to look that hard to find environments that resemble each other on most major FPS games. The point is that realism is overshadowing artistic creativity in visual design, does that make the game necessarily bad? No but it is a FACT.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: D_Average on September 12, 2009, 08:20:27 PM
So why does The Conduit get such a pass from many (not all) Wii loyalists? Sure, its not a grey/brown shooter, and its not HD, but the style of the characters and environments look like the same shooters we played around the turn of the century? Why the double standard? Hmmm....
I don't recall anyone defending the Conduit as a brilliant artistic achievement in visuals, feel free to find someone that said that.
After just a few minutes of browsing the conduit thread (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=24800.550), one can find many examples of fans drueling over teh conduits graphx, despite its obvious generic style:
Even if it looks like a 360 FPS - Nemo
I will buy this game, because it is LOOKING GREAT. But it's le generic shooter, so it's got only a limited appeal to me. - DAaaMan64
The hand and the ball-projector-thingy both look 360 quailty to me. - Spinnzilla
And yes, even you GP: This game is starting to look like a first-gen 360 game. It is amazing how each time a new trailer is released the game looks noticeably better. This better pay off for High Voltage because other developers need to get their butt kicked into gear and not slack off with visuals with lame excuses about the Wii's hardware - GoldenPhoenix
And this is just NWR, a site with the most objective Nintendo fans. Go anywhere else, and you'll find grown men telling you with a strait face that The Conduits graphics are better than Killzone 2. The whole thing cracks me up really.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 12, 2009, 08:58:06 PM
So why does The Conduit get such a pass from many (not all) Wii loyalists? Sure, its not a grey/brown shooter, and its not HD, but the style of the characters and environments look like the same shooters we played around the turn of the century? Why the double standard? Hmmm....
I'm just STARTING to play the game right now and the visuals aren't terribly good, but I've heard the Conduit bashed nearly everywhere else.
And personally, I can enjoy a generic shooter once in a while, but only ONCE in a while.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
You can't take one screenshot from each game and say they're all exactly the same. I'll bet I could take a screenshot from Super Mario Galaxy and Halo 3 which looks similar.
I'll take that bet. You make that happen and I will give you your 200 Wii points back.
If I owned both games I'd do it. Maybe someone like GoldenPhoenix could help you out there.
The point is that realism is overshadowing artistic creativity in visual design, does that make the game necessarily bad? No but it is a FACT.
I agree with this, and my comment wasn't directed at you anyway.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 13, 2009, 01:20:47 AM
I would never say the Conduit looks like a 1st-gen Xbox 360 game, not even close. Quake 4 was a 1st-gen 360 FPS, and it looks way better than the Conduit, color scheme aside.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 13, 2009, 03:05:03 AM
I'd compare The Conduit to FEAR in that it's extremely generic and set in boxy corridors full of generic gunfights. Quake 4 and Doom 3 were designed around normal mapping, including the environments so the scenery has loads of small details that utilize the NMs, The Conduit and FEAR are based on real environments which have mostly flat, large shapes which really don't benefit from normal mapping and just make the limits of the hardware apparent.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: broodwars on September 13, 2009, 03:12:03 AM
I'd compare The Conduit to FEAR in that it's extremely generic and set in boxy corridors full of generic gunfights. Quake 4 and Doom 3 were designed around normal mapping, including the environments so the scenery has loads of small details that utilize the NMs, The Conduit and FEAR are based on real environments which have mostly flat, large shapes which really don't benefit from normal mapping and just make the limits of the hardware apparent.
I'm not a big fan of FEAR (I played the first game and found it largely rather boring save the very beginning and very end), but I wouldn't compare those two so much. For one thing, the FEAR games have relatively competent AI (rather than Conduit's system of "oh, we've spawned and now we'll run at you!" AI) and a fairly successful gimmick in the horror hallucinations. The Conduit is just bland from beginning to end, and the gimmick it tries to spin (the ASE) just isn't used in any interesting fashion. True, there's a certain amount of generic shooter action in both and the environments are kind of similar, but I'd play a FEAR game again long before I played any other generic shooter High Voltage decides to put out.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Dasmos on September 13, 2009, 06:26:40 AM
wow what a **** thread.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: Deguello on September 13, 2009, 10:26:19 AM
Is this the thread where we troll things?
Is trolling no longer a ban-able offense?
Can we unban people retroactively for trolling when even the mods join in?
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: ShyGuy on September 13, 2009, 01:44:45 PM
Lot of ugliness round these parts. Lot of ugliness. Be glad when the holidays come, people be to distracted by new games to fight about consoles.
Title: Re: HD shooters FAIL!
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 13, 2009, 01:59:44 PM
