Community Forums => I'M BACK => Topic started by: King of Twitch on August 30, 2009, 02:40:26 AM
Title: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: King of Twitch on August 30, 2009, 02:40:26 AM
I swear on the grave of the DD64, I will not contribute one red cent to the destruction of gaming.
And if it appears to become widespread in the next few years, I will not purchase a next gen console.
signed...
-Zap
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2009, 02:44:35 AM
Not signed. ::buys some stuff off of steam::
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: UncleBob on August 30, 2009, 03:18:17 AM
Do ill-gotten Wii Points from Pepsi caps count? :)
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 30, 2009, 01:06:06 PM
I'm a-okay with DLC as long as it was created after the game was actually finished and is a worthwhile effort. Fake DLC that's already on the disc is bullshit
I'm a-okay with DLC as long as it was created after the game was actually finished and is a worthwhile effort. Fake DLC that's already on the disc is bullshit
Same. Burnout Paradise released the Big Surf Island pack in June but and everyone had a system update (which included it). You had to pay to get the keycode to unlock it. This i'm fine with. I bought it last night.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: nickmitch on August 30, 2009, 02:55:23 PM
I'm with Ty.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Mop it up on August 30, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
The day the game industry switches to digital distribution is the day I quit gaming.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on August 30, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Man, the future sure is scary.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 30, 2009, 11:20:45 PM
I'm a-okay with DLC as long as it was created after the game was actually finished and is a worthwhile effort. Fake DLC that's already on the disc is bullshit
Not to mention it effectively doubled the size of the game.
Same. Burnout Paradise released the Big Surf Island pack in June but and everyone had a system update (which included it). You had to pay to get the keycode to unlock it. This i'm fine with. I bought it last night.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: EasyCure on August 31, 2009, 12:19:35 PM
The day the game industry switches to digital distribution is the day I quit gaming.
Same.
ditto
I'll still buy games. Why do you care how you get your game as long as you can still play it?
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on August 31, 2009, 01:38:35 PM
I can appreciate that there are some DRM issues at play, and losing resale value is a concern for me too, but other than that, I am all on board with digital distribution.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 31, 2009, 02:15:38 PM
Digital distribution has arguably been a boon for the music industry. Why are you so down on it for gaming?
Also, I realize this is the Funhouse, so it's possible you are all just lying.
Atleast with music I can burn it to a CD and play it in my CD player. any of them. I can even make a mixtape for a friend since I now own the music and can make physical copied of it that I can use anywhere.
Not quite the same with gaming. And as soon as bandwidth allows, I'm sure server based gaming is what we will get instead of DD or physical disk. You will probably log on and see the games that you have bought, pick one, and it streams the game to you hardware and loads your saves and settings. This is how the gaming industry is likely to kill the used game market and the whole "you buy a license to play the game, not own it" debate.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: EasyCure on August 31, 2009, 03:11:10 PM
The day the game industry switches to digital distribution is the day I quit gaming.
Same.
ditto
I'll still buy games. Why do you care how you get your game as long as you can still play it?
^To the both of you:
Because music companies have never (at least publicly) thrown out ideas of selling songs/albums in parts.
"Hey man, did you hear the new _____ song?" "Ya, but I didn't get the solo yet. The first 2 minutes are epic then it starts to build up... can't wait to buy the rest next pay check"
If you think horse armour type dlc is bad now, imagine what greedy publishers will make devs do if/when games are distributed digitally only* Thats why I'm with that particular bandwagon.
*i don't mind a mix of the two, but digital distrubution only can be a scary road..
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: vudu on August 31, 2009, 03:39:12 PM
If you don't want to buy horse armor don't buy it. If publishers start releasing games piece-meal either wait until they put out the whole thing before downloading anything or skip it completely. If games people are making these days don't appeal to you stop playing them. But to give up gaming simply because of a change in media is stupid.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on August 31, 2009, 04:01:11 PM
Because music companies have never (at least publicly) thrown out ideas of selling songs/albums in parts.
A 2-5 minute song off an album is one thing, downloading a partial game and being forced to pay for the ending is another. Obviously the type of DLC we have no is nowhere near as bad as these examples but the thought that anyone in the industry is even entertaining these thoughts (as a means to keep from losing revenue on used game sales; ie gamestop) is scary ****.
Isn't iTunes pretty much founded on the ala carte model? .99 per song, buy the album if you want.
If you don't want to buy horse armor don't buy it. If publishers start releasing games piece-meal either wait until they put out the whole thing before downloading anything or skip it completely. If games people are making these days don't appeal to you stop playing them. But to give up gaming simply because of a change in media is stupid.
I know what you're saying and I agree with you, I'd only give up gaming to a small extent:
No new games/consoles would be purchased if publishers did digital distribution only*, But I'd NEVER stop playing the games in my collection as long as i still could. I still have my NES, SNES, N64, and GC all in working condition, and I plan to keep playing them later down the road.
*again, that's only assuming digital distribution took a turn for the worst. I don't want to sound all paranoid and rant about it like Ian, but its a legitimate concern of mine on the future of gaming.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on August 31, 2009, 04:28:27 PM
Okay, I'll rephrase - pretty much every single place you can buy music works on an ala carte model, and they wouldn't operate that way if the "music companies" objected to it.
I realize that there have been some bad examples of greedy publishers asking for you to buy DLC that clearly would have been a part of the game to begin with, but I'm not even talking about DLC - I'm talking about buying full games digitally. DLC is a different conversation.
Wait a minute.... this conversation is far too serious for the fun house.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: EasyCure on August 31, 2009, 04:31:23 PM
Wait a minute.... this conversation is far too serious for the fun house.
Agreed. I'd spit on this thread but my buttered camel could do a better job, so i'll wait for him to wake up.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Mop it up on August 31, 2009, 05:44:34 PM
Sometimes it seems like digital distribution is meant to take the rights away from consumers. Nintendo's model is the worst. You don't own the games, you're just paying for a license to play them for an indeterminate period of time. They're all a fixed price, never any sales or price drops. You can't sell or give them away if you get a bad game. They're tied to the system you download them too, rather than to an online account.
If I'm paying for something I want to own it. I want to hold it in my hands and display it on my shelf. Should I decide I don't want it anymore, I want the option to sell it, too.
If a new generation of systems switches to digital-only then I won't be a part of that. Instead, I'll just continue to buy games for the systems I already own. As it is, there are hundreds of games out there on my list, so I'll have plenty to choose from.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 31, 2009, 05:49:30 PM
If a new generation of systems switches to digital-only then I won't be a part of that. Instead, I'll just continue to buy games for the systems I already own. As it is, there are hundreds of games out there on my list, so I'll have plenty to choose from.
Just make sure you buy them used ;D
::cue Jaffe outrage:: :P
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: vudu on August 31, 2009, 05:51:53 PM
Sometimes it seems like digital distribution is meant to take the rights away from consumers. Nintendo's model is the worst. You don't own the games, you're just paying for a license to play them for an indeterminate period of time. They're all a fixed price, never any sales or price drops. You can't sell or give them away if you get a bad game. They're tied to the system you download them too, rather than to an online account.
If I'm paying for something I want to own it. I want to hold it in my hands and display it on my shelf. Should I decide I don't want it anymore, I want the option to sell it, too.
While this is true, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal if it only costs you $5 to $10 for the game. If you get a stinker, who cares? If you buy a new game for $50 and decide you don't like it you can probably sell it for $40 on eBay, but you're still out $10.
If in 5 years you decide you want to play a game again but it's somehow disappeared from your service, who cares? It cost $5 to $10. Buy another freaking copy.
You're too concerned about when you "own". The things you own end up owning you. I buy games to experience them, not to own them.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: nickmitch on August 31, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
I doubt that if the industry went all digital that the system would suck as much as it does now.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Mop it up on August 31, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
I refuse to pay for the same game twice.
There are no physical copies of WiiWare games. Once they disappear from the service, there will be no way to get them.
Obviously ownership isn't something that's important to you. I can't really explain why it's important to me for various reasons, including that I don't fully understand it myself. But it's something I value, and therefore, if it isn't offered, I will take my business elsewhere.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 31, 2009, 05:59:41 PM
The only physical copy of WiiWare games you have is your Wii
=|
If you want to share your WiiWare games, share your Wii
=|
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Deguello on August 31, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
Quote
You're too concerned about when you "own". The things you own end up owning you. I buy games to experience them, not to own them.
Does this extend to the DRM console, too? Or is that something I might digitally not be able to own as well?
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: vudu on August 31, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
I'm not going to pretend to be happy about DRM or even purchasing licenses instead of ownership. But ultimately, who cares? Some pie-in-the-sky, what if someday in the future, doomsday scenario isn't going to stop me from paying money to play the games I want to play right now.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 31, 2009, 07:13:24 PM
I like to play games. If the only way I can play games is via Digital Distribution then that's how I'll play them. I think the only thing that would even have a chance of making me stop playing games is if Nintendo stopped making them, and I don't think even that would do it.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: EasyCure on August 31, 2009, 07:24:22 PM
vudu is so hardcore
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Mop it up on August 31, 2009, 07:56:41 PM
Corporations can't be trusted, I don't want to even give them the opportunity to have that much power.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Plugabugz on August 31, 2009, 07:58:57 PM
SERIOUS TORQUE IS AGAINST THE RULES OF FANHAUS.
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: King of Twitch on September 01, 2009, 12:17:23 AM
In that case we will be *waiting* for a long time....
Another budding romance shattered. Sad
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Stogi on September 02, 2009, 05:22:18 PM
"Now I was sitting waiting wishing That you believed in superstitions Then maybe you'd see the signs But Lord knows that this world is cruel And I ain't the Lord, no I'm just a fool Learning loving somebody don't make them love you"
Title: Re: 'Not One Penny for DLC, DD, HDD, or HD' oath thread
Post by: Plugabugz on September 02, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
In that case we will be *waiting* for a long time....
Actually, I plan to be in [insert where you're from here] in the coming weeks, for a nice lil holiday off from work. Perhaps we can meet up and actually play! [start getting your hopes up here]
