Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: Dirk Temporo on July 20, 2009, 06:41:53 PM
Title: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 20, 2009, 06:41:53 PM
This game doesn't have a thread yet, so I just made one on account of they just announced it'll be coming in October for Japan, and January for western markets, a decision that I don't really understand.
in b4 anybody complaining about the sex appeal in the game
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 20, 2009, 06:47:23 PM
Last I heard this was on the 360 and PS3 so why is this in the Nintendo section.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 20, 2009, 09:23:21 PM
Did I really post it in the Nintendo Consoles forum?
I feel like an idiot.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 20, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
This game was awesome at E3. It was one of the few non-Nintendo system games I played and I couldn't get enough of it. It remedied so many of Devil May Cry's problems and felt so much smoother and more satisfying. If you are a fan of that series, you should be ecstatic for this title.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 20, 2009, 09:44:09 PM
But isn't DMC old hat now? Shouldn't we be stacking it against Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and Kameo?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 20, 2009, 09:59:32 PM
Are you implying that Ninja Gaiden and God of War are better hack and slash games than Devil May Cry?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Caliban on July 20, 2009, 10:20:08 PM
I want this game too. It looks like it can be a blast to play.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 20, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
Thine statement shall not be downgraded to "imply."
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 21, 2009, 03:17:59 AM
Are you propagating the idea that Ninja Gaiden and God of War are better hack and slash games than Devil May Cry?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Stogi on July 22, 2009, 12:34:41 AM
I think so.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on July 23, 2009, 12:55:44 PM
I wonder how much cheese Bayonetta will have in terms of story and voice acting.
At least CASHcom can't control Platnium. ;)
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Stogi on July 23, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
I just saw the video demoing all over her moves and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD GOD!
Not only was I slightly aroused, I was damn near drooling by how awesome her moves were!
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: KDR_11k on July 25, 2009, 05:16:06 PM
I watched one trailer, felt insulted by the blatant attempt to sell via sex appeal and "coolness" and put it on my "ignore" list. Since I hated DMC3 with a passion and people say it's like DMC I'm probably better off for it anyway.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 26, 2009, 04:57:43 PM
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: KDR_11k on July 27, 2009, 07:25:31 AM
Absolutely AWFUL camera that made a boss fight impossible because you couldn't see the projectiles you were supposed to deflect. That's totally game breaking IMO.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 27, 2009, 01:04:57 PM
It sounds as though you're talking about a single specific boss fight. So you really let a tiny part of the game ruin the entire thing for you? That's pretty ignorant.
And you also seem to have not played any of the other DMC games, based on your terminology. And who's to say anything you found wrong with DMC3 will be wrong with Bayonetta?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on July 27, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
What KDR is stating is true in terms of the camera. The first boss fight was kind of frustrating because you sometimes couldn't see where the spector was going to pop out at.
However, the camera isn't that awful. It's leagues better then the Sonic Adventure series camera, and the Warehog stages in Unleashed.
Alot of the boss battles are memorization, kind of like MadWorlds. (considering both were made by the same development team)
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: KDR_11k on July 27, 2009, 03:18:58 PM
It sounds as though you're talking about a single specific boss fight. So you really let a tiny part of the game ruin the entire thing for you? That's pretty ignorant.
The game doesn't let me proceed past that no matter how much I open my mind so that's the only impression I can offer. It's that stupid worm that flies overhead and shoots energy balls at you which you deflect with the sword, the problem is that the camera moves slow like arse and immediately snaps back if you move, the enemy is above you but the camera insists on staying level so all you see of the projectiles is the small gap between your character's head and the top of the sceen which isn't enough to start the attack in time.
I didn't enjoy the rest of the game (the 2.5 levels up to that point) much either and it was off to a VERY bad start with the intro consisting of fight scenes that I didn't get to play and so much "coolness" it was as awkward as a marketing exec attempting street speech. I'm not even sure what I disliked about the rest, possibly the combat system or something but I found God of War pretty meh too so maybe I just don't like the brawler genre.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on July 27, 2009, 03:48:21 PM
It kind of sucks because developers forgot what made brawlers fun in the first place.
TMNT Arcade Game and TMNT: Turtles in Time, best brawlers I ever played. What other brawler let's you beat the crap out of ninja in a burning apartment building? With cannon balls falling down stairs?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 27, 2009, 04:14:24 PM
You've confused it with TMNT The Arcade Game.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: KDR_11k on July 27, 2009, 05:36:03 PM
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Halbred on October 20, 2009, 03:14:28 PM
Yeah, but they also gave Nintendogs and the original Soul Calibur perfect 10's. Their credibility is suspect.
I like the concept of DMC but I just hated the controls. I don't really want fighting game controls in an action game. That's why I like God of War: Two attack buttons and hold R1 for special attacks. Mix 'n' match. DMC3 absolutely made my brain melt with its combos. I had to press three buttons to dodge. Sorry, that's not my bag.
Also, I keep hearing that the PS3 version of Bayonetta is half-broken. I'd otherwise be tempted to try it.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on October 20, 2009, 09:21:42 PM
Let's see if the game lasts longer then six hours. (hi madworld)
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: KDR_11k on October 22, 2009, 03:06:11 PM
It'll take a lot to convince me to buy this considering how insulted I felt after watching the trailer.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 22, 2009, 09:03:34 PM
I hope this game had a huge budget.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 22, 2009, 09:59:10 PM
It'll take a lot to convince me to buy this considering how insulted I felt after watching the trailer.
How do you mean?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: KDR_11k on October 23, 2009, 10:54:40 AM
The amount of sex appeal thrown around there was insulting, I felt treated like some slavering idiot who'd buy anything with tits on the cover.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on October 23, 2009, 01:27:27 PM
Realize these are the same people who bought DOA: X-treme Broken Volleyball just for the skimpy swimsuits and tits.
Give Peach DOA boob physics and a skimpy outfit in the NSMBW, and watch the sales triple (or be destroyed).
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Halbred on October 23, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
Fun Fact!
I have the original Dead or Alive Volleyball on the Xbox. I haven't touched it in years. I remember it being an actually pretty fun core game. The itty bitty teeny weenie yellow polka-dot bikinis were window dressing. Beautiful, beautiful window dressing.
Haven't played the sequel. They tell me it's crappy.
Also, and this is an important distinction: Bayonetta does not have what I would call "breasts." Samus does, Kasumi does, and Lara Croft does. Bayonetta is leggy, not chesty.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on October 23, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
The amount of sex appeal thrown around there was insulting, I felt treated like some slavering idiot who'd buy anything with tits on the cover.
Well, most people are. But also, PG is pretty up front about the sexuality in Bayonetta, by way of making the character open about it. It's not like most games, where the girls are wearing next to nothing, but are totally super serial about everything (I'm looking at you, Soul Calibur).
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 23, 2009, 02:17:08 PM
Beach Spikers was a better volleyball game.
And Vanessa Z. Schneider stomps all over Bayonetta.
THUNDERBIRD PRO
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on October 27, 2009, 03:32:14 PM
Also, and this is an important distinction: Bayonetta does not have what I would call "breasts." Samus does, Kasumi does, and Lara Croft does. Bayonetta is leggy, not chesty.
CHUN-LI levels of leggy?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on October 31, 2009, 04:38:41 AM
I played the demo, it was fun. It reminds me not only of Viewtiful Joe, but also Gungrave (the game), which owns.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: hylianhero5249 on November 01, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
The amount of sex appeal thrown around there was insulting, I felt treated like some slavering idiot who'd buy anything with tits on the cover.
Well, most people are. But also, PG is pretty up front about the sexuality in Bayonetta, by way of making the character open about it. It's not like most games, where the girls are wearing next to nothing, but are totally super serial about everything (I'm looking at you, Soul Calibur).
Kimono/traditional dress, a one-piece swimsuit, a cheerleader uniform, and a race queen outfit. Clearly, Platinum Games just let their otaku/nerd fetishes wash all over this game. I'm glad and excited that the developer was allowed to be this silly and ridiculous, however I can see how this is a bit too much for some.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 02, 2009, 04:31:46 PM
I've been called both "over-the-top" and "too much" by friends, so that might have something to do with my taste in games.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Pale on November 04, 2009, 03:03:49 PM
I wish I lived in a world where Okami sold bucket loads and this pile of nonsense was an absolute flop.
I agree with KDR
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on November 04, 2009, 03:42:30 PM
This part of Platinum does not surprise me, Pale. They did make DMC 1 & 3, and that game was full of over-the-top cheese. So was MadWorld, but it took itself seriously (imo, the storyline was great). Bayonetta, sadly, will sell well because it has a nearly naked chick (who I admit looks sexy) and it supposedly fixes the flaws of DMC's battle engine.
Does it surprise anyone that I'm looking forward to Infinate Space more then Bayonetta?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 04, 2009, 10:06:54 PM
Bayonetta, sadly, will sell well because it has a nearly naked chick (who I admit looks sexy) and it supposedly fixes the flaws of DMC's battle engine.
I don't see why it selling well is a bad thing, regardless of WHY it sells well. Pretty much all reports of the game thus far are saying it's God's gift to third-person action games.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on November 05, 2009, 11:56:16 AM
All reports coming from said media said the same thing about other games.
I'd take it with a grain of salt and nothing else.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 05, 2009, 10:13:47 PM
Well I was talking about firsthand reports from regular people, personally. Most of the praise has been about the battle/combo system.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on November 05, 2009, 10:56:10 PM
That's fine and dandy, but what about the rest of the game? My lack of interest in the DMC series is pretty much the fault of over the top cheese covered in annoying game play mechanics.
If Bayonetta fixes those flaws, good for it. I still have no interest in this game at all, even if you're fighting as a nearly naked big breasted chick that screams "otaku sex icon".
I miss the 90s era of video games. =(
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on November 06, 2009, 03:06:40 AM
She's not big-breasted.
But seriously, complaining about over-the-top cheese and then saying you miss the 90s video games?
There are just as many good games now.
Maybe this will help reduce some of your concerns: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/104/1042415p1.html
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Halbred on November 06, 2009, 01:38:49 PM
As Dark said, Bayonetta is by no means big-breasted.
Examples of big-breasted women in video games:
Rachel (Ninja Gaiden) All the DoA girls except Hitomi (DoAX) Mai Shiranui (King of Fighters) Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) Sophitia, Ivy (Soul Calibur)
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on November 06, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
But seriously, complaining about over-the-top cheese and then saying you miss the 90s video games?
There are just as many good games now.
Maybe this will help reduce some of your concerns: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/104/1042415p1.html
I have been playing less games in my young adult years then I did in the 90s. Growing up has something to do with it, as do other hobbies, but lately games with big budgets have been all style and no substance.
And over the top cheese is okay... if you don't over-do. DMC over-did it, it's almost a parody of itself.
I will read the article later.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: D_Average on January 13, 2010, 10:59:52 AM
Anyone pick this up yet? I played the demo and i was really impressed. And from what I saw in the demo, the "sex appeal" seems to be tongue in cheek, so I don't find it offensive at all.
Unfortunately, I don't have a 360 so I'll have to wait until the PS3 version drops way down. I never pay full price for a sub par version.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on January 13, 2010, 08:54:23 PM
What are the overall sales for both versions at this moment?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 13, 2010, 10:17:01 PM
the "sex appeal" seems to be tongue in cheek, so I don't find it offensive at all.
Your mileage may vary. It seems like the womenfolk are really raising hell about this one, judging by posts on various forums and the "second opinion" from Nicole on IGN.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: D_Average on January 14, 2010, 12:45:48 AM
Huh. I didn't know there was a gal named Nicole there. I'll check out what she said.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 14, 2010, 06:50:18 AM
I understand the criticism, but really what is a female video game heroine supposed to look like? I don't know of too many frumpy female video game heroines. Would a frumpy female character make the feminists happy?
Even if it would, the fact is the majority of video gamers are males, so it is obvious which segment the developers don't want to risk alienating. It is unfortunate, but that is how it is.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: D_Average on January 14, 2010, 12:20:23 PM
So I read Nicoles take. Pretty much the same ole blah blah blah. Really. What's wrong with an attractive main character? Would she prefer Dariah or Ellen Degeneras as the lead in this game? If I were a girl I'd be moreoffended by the helpless Princess Peach who must have a man save her. Bayonetta is strong, clever, willing to stand up for what's right, funny, and she has some great martial arts skills. She just happens to be attractive as well. Big deal.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 14, 2010, 02:59:29 PM
So I read Nicoles take. Pretty much the same ole blah blah blah.
That's how I felt. People have too much time on their hands to complain about too much stuff that doesn't even matter. Okay, the main character is a blatantly over-the-top sexualized female. Does that affect how the game plays? Not at all. You don't see me complaining that every main character in games (especially Japanese ones) is some gorgeous, flawless bishounen, with a half open shirt revealing rippling pectorals and washboard abs.
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Would she prefer...Ellen Degeneras as the lead in this game?
I would play that.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 14, 2010, 03:40:22 PM
Do male gamers get offended when the male character has sex appeal for girls?
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 14, 2010, 03:48:56 PM
Yes. The male gamers want male characters with sex appeal for male gamers.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Plugabugz on January 14, 2010, 05:38:16 PM
Yes. The male gamers want male characters with sex appeal for male gamers.
That why they play those JRPGs, huh? Androgyny for everyone!
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 15, 2010, 03:59:32 PM
Something about "growth" and "expansion" with regards to the audience.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 15, 2010, 07:07:49 PM
Fun fact
In Final Fantasy 12, Basch was originally suppose to be the main character but the higher ups at Square Enix thought he was too manly and scare away the Final Fantasy fans since they wouldn't find him attractive. So that's why they forced the development team to create a new main character that was your typical bishounen, and that's how Vaan was created.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Halbred on January 15, 2010, 08:09:45 PM
Oh, the Japanese loves their androgynous main characters. That was actually the subplot of a "Bones" I watched yesterday.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2010, 04:29:11 AM
This game reminded me of Devil May Cry, except even more pointless.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Peachylala on January 17, 2010, 12:31:44 PM
Who cares about pointlessness when you have HOT CHICKS?
It worked for DoA EXTREME, it will work for Bayonetta
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: ShyGuy on January 17, 2010, 04:56:08 PM
She's so tall I bet she will have joint trouble as she gets older.
Title: Re: Bayonetta
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 17, 2010, 05:53:02 PM
