Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 03, 2009, 07:13:37 AM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/podcastArt.cfm?artid=18715
RFN E3 2009 Special: Episode 1
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It's all about Nintendo on this episode, as we try to cover the big press conference as well as quick thoughts on the playable first-party Wii and DS games from our first day on the E3 show floor.
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This podcast was edited by Karl Castaneda.
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Post by: ShyGuy on June 04, 2009, 01:47:54 AM
Post by: NWR_Karl on June 04, 2009, 03:32:30 AM
Post by: Sundoulos on June 04, 2009, 10:57:33 AM
The reaction of the panel to the press conference seemed a little more downbeat, or at least more subdued, than I initially expected, particularly in regards to the Mario game announcements. After having a little time to absorb the news from the conference, though, I can admit that I share a lingering feeling of disappointment over things that weren't really mentioned, either. I'm mostly surprised that almost nothing was shown about a new Pikmin game; and I was hoping against hope that I'd hear something about a new Starfox.
I'm not really shocked that we didn't have much Zelda info. Even if we had, we won't see that game for a while. I'd rather not have another Twlight Princess hype train, really.
I can understand people's reservations about Galaxy 2, but I for one am looking forward to it. It's definitely my favorite of the 3D Mario installments, and I think there's a lot more they can do with it. The potential return of the Koopalings is enough to make me excited about NSMB2 Wii (I agree, they totally need to change that name). I'm kind of iffy on the mutliplayer emphasis, but I've been pleasantly surprised by the impressions that I've read.
Post by: Nick DiMola on June 04, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
Just speaking for myself, I'm ecstatic about what was announced and I'm greatly looking forward to everything. Between the presentation, and what appeared on the show floor, there is a lot of great stuff coming from Nintendo.
Post by: Sundoulos on June 04, 2009, 11:21:58 AM
I've enjoyed all the coverage, though. You guys are doing a great job!
Post by: ShyGuy on June 04, 2009, 03:04:47 PM
Post by: Sundoulos on June 04, 2009, 04:20:08 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 04, 2009, 04:22:22 PM
You know, I think I'd like to see an Eternal Darkness sequel made that uses the Wii Vitality Sensor as an input for your insanity meter. Heh.
I've never played Eternal Darkness but that was the first thing that came to me when I was trying to think of game applications for it.
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on June 04, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
Just wondered if this was something you were aware of, or if it's intentional. It's kind of annoying.
BTW this is Andy from Iowa here, not some random naysayer! I'm a regular listener/naysayer.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 04, 2009, 04:43:55 PM
Karl, a question about this podcast (and some of your episodes of Tawk-112) - When I'm playing them on my iPhone, it treats the enhanced AAC as a movie almost more than an audio file. And that's fine, except for what that means is that when I'm listening to the podcast, if I try to do anything else on my phone, it stops playing. It basically renders my phone useless until I'm finished with the podcast.
Just wondered if this was something you were aware of, or if it's intentional. It's kind of annoying.
BTW this is Andy from Iowa here, not some random naysayer! I'm a regular listener/naysayer.
Are you getting it through the iTunes feed or downloading it individually? I'm getting it through iTunes and haven't noticed this.
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on June 04, 2009, 05:23:55 PM
Post by: NWR_Karl on June 04, 2009, 08:33:29 PM
Oh, and the new daily ep should be out later tonight. I'm working on it as we speak.
Post by: kraken613 on June 04, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on June 05, 2009, 08:22:44 AM
It's worth noting, though, that if I do get the episodes on my PC first, and then sync them to my phone, this doesn't happen. At least, that seems to be the case, based on noticing it a few times in the past.
Post by: kraken613 on June 05, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on June 05, 2009, 10:12:43 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2009, 03:26:42 PM
Nintendo tends to develop games in an organic experimental process. You can see this in a variety of statements from iwata and Miyamoto relating to games as far back as OoT. If Wii Speak was not integrated in the game, it doesn't mean that Nintendo didn't care or that they didn't account for it. It means that their uses for it simply didn't pass muster.
Nintendo is NOT your typical developer. Very few of their games are designed to "PUSH" tech or accessories (unlike Eye of Judgement...), instead the hardware has to ultimately SERVE the software, and if it doesn't it's better for it to be not utilized.
*also shocked at the comment about iwata's "bland numbers"*
T_T
Iwata's insights into this industry are invaluable! They are the closest thing we have to an explicit commentary on the industry by Nintendo. This is HARD data, and the studies show Nintendo's CLEAR intent, and any Nintendo fan who doesn't take the time to absort the meaning of Iwatas charts is handicapping themself when trying to understand, anticipate, and appreciate the company that saved videogames back in '84.
*at 2.5D talk*
What does 2.5D mean to you?
To me, 2.5D means AWESOME.
*at talk about replacing multi-colored toads*
... DAISY! DAISY! PUT DAISY IN!!!
Post by: King of Twitch on June 06, 2009, 03:45:40 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2009, 03:55:55 PM
Wii Speak assists in the process of playing together and interaction. That's the very essence of Wii. Aren't businesses supposed to 'serve' the customer?
It may look like that from a distance, but implementation is important as well. Wii Speak CAN help with playing together and interaction, but with New Super Mario Bros. Wii, WAS it? With Nintendo games it's a case by case basis. In this case, it appears that Wii Speak may not have added enough to justify putting it in.
Besides, we all know how Nintendo loves on-site multiplayer. New Super Mario Bros. Wii may be another result of this, especially with an eye towards expanding the number of players inside a household, and getting gamers and non-gamers in the same house to play together and share experiences.
In FACT, with that in mind, pursuing on-site multiplayer is attempting to accomplish the goal of "playing together and interaction" and aiming this at the most ambitious goal as possible: not connecting two people who already play games, but bridging the gap between heavy players of games and lighter users.
Post by: King of Twitch on June 06, 2009, 04:25:42 PM
You don't think online games could be designed to let someone pick which level of skill to join with? You want them to Nintendumb down yet another online experience for nonsensical reasons.
Adding Wii Speak doesn't prevent people from playing together in the same room.
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2009, 05:09:43 PM
Don't be ridiculous, communication is by definition interaction.
You don't think online games could be designed to let someone pick which level of skill to join with? You want them to Nintendumb down yet another online experience for nonsensical reasons.
Adding Wii Speak doesn't prevent people from playing together in the same room.
But perhaps it doesn't add enough to warrant them investing the time and energy that could otherwise go to something else?
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on June 06, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
Well then that just speaks to why I am less happy with Nintendo than I used to be. They are putting their non-gamer expansion strategy ahead of my happiness as a gamer. Every single person I envision myself playing through NSMBW with lives at minimum 2 hours away from me. I suggested to my wife that she give it a try and she shrugged it off and said "No thanks, I suck at Mario games."
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2009, 07:43:42 PM
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on June 06, 2009, 10:39:55 PM
Now, to be fair, I'm very excited about this new game (along with the new Metroid and Galaxy games) but I'm far more interested in gaming solo than gaming with someone whose throat I've had to shove the game down just to give it a shot.
Post by: Kairon on June 06, 2009, 11:23:41 PM
The truth is that I'm trying to explore why Nintendo may have removed online or decided never to add online to the title. Let's not forget that we're dealing with a company that has talked about trying to remove "impurities," or aku, from games, and in this case it may simply be that with New Super Mario Bros. Wii, online gameplay may have been an impurity in the experience, instead of an improvement.
There's this common train of thought that more means better, that we can add features, build a longer list, tack-on more functionality and ideas, and in the end this'll make things better. Nintendo rarely subscribes to that. Instead, it may be Nintendo's restraint in their quest to produce their titles, polished gems with few or no impurities, that make them the company they are, or always have been.
Now, that doesn't do anything to sate my appetite for the next Perfect-Dark co-op mode. Co-op is something that the other guys are doing more and more in bigger and bigger ways. But at least I believe that Nintendo is doing what they believe in, and with all their heart. Any loyalty I have for the company is grounded in that trust, not in whether I liked the last Zelda game or not. (for the record: I LOVED Phantom hourglass, but was disappointed with Twilight Princess)
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 07, 2009, 02:25:16 AM
Including online support (and subsequently, Wii Speak support) need not replace local multiplayer, and any claim of an either/or scenario is just silly. Miyamoto's claim of processing limitations is feasible, but having played the game myself and seen it with my own eyes, I find it hard to believe this particular title is really pushing the system's capabilities.
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2009, 02:57:33 AM
I find it hard to believe this particular title is really pushing the system's capabilities.
I don't think it wasn't/isn't included because of this. I think it wasn't included because either they tried and thought it wasn't fun, or they wanted to use the resources elsewhere or even on a different game, or maybe even because they believed online play didn't fit the game's ideology.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 07, 2009, 03:36:06 AM
I find it hard to believe this particular title is really pushing the system's capabilities.
I don't think it wasn't/isn't included because of this. I think it wasn't included because either they tried and thought it wasn't fun, or they wanted to use the resources elsewhere or even on a different game, or maybe even because they believed online play didn't fit the game's ideology.
I'm betting they've realized no one plays their games online, so they don't make them online. Fortunately, they've probably also realized the online structure is the problem.
Post by: vudu on June 07, 2009, 10:22:13 AM
I will almost certainly buy New Super Mario Bros. Wii, but I'll probably play it alone 80-90% of the time. I just don't know that many people locally who would want to play it with me for any length of time. Most of my friends who'd want to play a Mario game with me live far away.
THIS. A hundred times over, this.
It just makes me sad that I'll most likely never get to play this game the way it was meant to be played (i.e. with 3 other people).
And while online play wouldn't be a perfect substitute for getting four friends together in the same room, it's a heck of a lot closer to the ideal than just one other person of considerable less skill.
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on June 07, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
And while online play wouldn't be a perfect substitute for getting four friends together in the same room, it's a heck of a lot closer to the ideal than just one other person of considerable less skill.
THIS. A hundred times over, this.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 07, 2009, 03:23:58 PM
I don't think it wasn't/isn't included because of this.
Miyamoto said that was the reason. Am I calling him a liar? Yeah, pretty much, although I still love the man.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 07, 2009, 10:54:49 PM
Post by: Mop it up on June 08, 2009, 11:53:58 PM
I know you guys were tired but c’mon, show some excitement for Super Mario Galaxy 2! How will it not be awesome?
I liked the spring suit, it just needs better controls. I did not care for the bee suit… but that may just be because I’m allergic to bees and seeing one makes me nervous…
Post by: NWR_Neal on June 09, 2009, 08:10:10 AM
I know you guys were tired but c’mon, show some excitement for Super Mario Galaxy 2! How will it not be awesome?
If we had Lauren on, it'd be a different story. She's crazy excited for Yoshi in SMG2.
Also, I played WSR Bowling and it felt slightly different. It's one of the (few) impressions I still have to write.
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on June 09, 2009, 01:21:33 PM
Yoshi in NSMBWii is definitely great fun. (You can swallow other players!)
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 09, 2009, 03:09:05 PM
I'll be excited for Yoshi in Galaxy 2 when it becomes clear that he's not going to be as useless and annoying as he was in Sunshine.
Yoshi in NSMBWii is definitely great fun. (You can swallow other players!)
Can you also trap them in an egg?
Post by: NWR_Neal on June 09, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
I'll be excited for Yoshi in Galaxy 2 when it becomes clear that he's not going to be as useless and annoying as he was in Sunshine.They didn't show Yoshi vomiting fruit juice in the trailer so at least be thankful for that.
This game is going to be as meticulously crafted as Super Mario Galaxy. Have some faith that it will all come together beautifully in the end. And who cares if it follows the same path of 120 stars? Who cares if it's a fight against Bowser once again? They could throw in some other premise but it isn't going to change the gameplay so it doesn't really matter.
Post by: Crimm on June 09, 2009, 11:01:17 PM
I'll be excited for Yoshi in Galaxy 2 when it becomes clear that he's not going to be as useless and annoying as he was in Sunshine.
Yoshi in NSMBWii is definitely great fun. (You can swallow other players!)
Can you also trap them in an egg?
No, but you can be a jerk and spit them into holes...*cough*
