Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: bustin98 on May 26, 2009, 11:00:35 PM
Title: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: bustin98 on May 26, 2009, 11:00:35 PM
http://wii.ign.com/articles/986/986663p1.html
I think I can get behind this game more than the Gladiator game. I'm looking forward to more details at E3.
Currently 4 characters to choose from Game is built for online cooperative play Light RPG elements based on an unannounced system +65 enemies on screen with 60 fps during initial tests Boss characters Wii Speak support Motion+ Support
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 26, 2009, 11:12:00 PM
I think I can get behind this game more than the Gladiator game.
I'm on the fence calling you cancer, but with L4D and Killing Floor, "co-op zombie killan FPS" is a pretty spoken for genre.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 26, 2009, 11:13:49 PM
High Voltage is really embarrassing many of the 3rd party efforts, the game looks amazing and actually looks fun!
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stogi on May 26, 2009, 11:22:42 PM
Looks phenomenal. I really like both of the concepts HVS has shown today. They both seem very strategic.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2009, 11:39:57 PM
If the Conduit is even remotely fun, you can consider this game pre-ordered.
Online Hunter: Left4Dead Wii with M+ has me really looking forward to this game.
HVS is really trying hard to fill in some software gaps that Nintendo and lots of other 3rd parties have ignored. All we need is a high quality 3rd person over the shoulder shooter/adventure game.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 26, 2009, 11:41:31 PM
You're thinking of Muscle March.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2009, 11:46:39 PM
you talking to me? do we have a thread on Muscle March?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on May 27, 2009, 12:23:02 AM
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there's also split screen coop mode currently running in the demo, which is also pretty awesome for those who may not have access to play together using a Wi-Fi connection.
ARE YOU HAPPY NOW SPLIT SCREEN BEGGERS AND PLEADERS? Can a NWR staffer test out this mode at E3?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 27, 2009, 12:24:13 AM
HVS is smart. They are taking a huge risk with high dollar, HIGH TALENT support of the Wii, however, they are getting this support in at the perfect time, since they can get games realized with little competition from similar genres.
Basically, HVS is proving the Wii can do the same exact games as the other consoles, and is doing it in such a way as it is embarrassing the larger developers.
HVS deserves the support of ALL Wii owners...or at least all Wii owners that don't consider themselves casual.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on May 27, 2009, 12:35:59 AM
HVS deserves the support of ALL Wii owners...or at least all Wii owners that don't consider themselves casual.
More like they deserve the support of people who have interest in these types of games. Not every "hardcore" gamer has interest in shooters and fighters.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2009, 01:15:47 AM
HVS deserves the support of ALL Wii owners...or at least all Wii owners that don't consider themselves casual.
More like they deserve the support of people who have interest in these types of games. Not every "hardcore" gamer has interest in shooters and fighters.
OK it deserves support from everyone but people that think Boom Blox has poor controls. ;)
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on May 27, 2009, 01:21:51 AM
HVS deserves the support of ALL Wii owners...or at least all Wii owners that don't consider themselves casual.
More like they deserve the support of people who have interest in these types of games. Not every "hardcore" gamer has interest in shooters and fighters.
OK it deserves support from everyone but people that think Boom Blox has poor controls. ;)
I never said that, I just said the shooting levels don't work because the shots are off-center in relation to the on-screen cursor. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 27, 2009, 01:52:41 AM
Sounds pretty God damned great. Holiday 2010 = a year and a half left in production, right?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: jakeOSX on May 27, 2009, 07:15:54 AM
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2009, 10:05:48 AM
Call me a total pessimist, but when a glorified port house all the sudden is showing three new IPs they are working on simultaneously, I start to doubt their ability to execute.
Also, those don't look like screens at all to me... they look like mocked up concepts...
I could be wrong, but who knows. At the very least I don't agree with this hype approach..... to me it reads like they aren't confident one of their games could stand on its own this E3 so they are taking the quantity approach.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: bustin98 on May 27, 2009, 11:28:15 AM
This is doing a couple of things: its putting HVS on gamers lips just before the big show, which is going to drive traffic to their booth. Its also getting the word out before any other game that is competing for the same gamers is announced at the show. They're putting up speed bumps for other developers. Because what could come out of E3 has the possibility to run everything else down.
There could also be similar games coming. Announcing their games first is just stregthening brand name recognition.
Maybe HVS has a history, but they have to try to grow out of that mold, right? Even painters start out copying other people's work before creating their own.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dasmos on May 27, 2009, 11:31:23 AM
looks bleh
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Deguello on May 27, 2009, 11:40:34 AM
Even world class developers started out making questionable things.
For example, Square started off making NES ripoffs of Sega arcade games. Then they made Final Fantasy and a bunch of Ultima fanboys made fun of it. Nintendo's first game before Donkey Kong was quite bleh, too. RadarScope or something.
Just because High Voltage they had to start out in the contract work doesn't mean they don't have talent.
And I totally agree with GoldenPhoenix, High Voltage, a "glorified port house," if you will, has totally shamed and faced major third parties on the market leader. We shouldn't even be having this discussion. The majors should have been able to crush this young upstart like a grape Instead, they allowed High Voltage to grow unhindered by ignoring the largest userbase. It's why High Voltage gets hype just for trying.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 11:44:54 AM
Call me a total pessimist, but when a glorified port house all the sudden is showing three new IPs they are working on simultaneously, I start to doubt their ability to execute.
Also, those don't look like screens at all to me... they look like mocked up concepts...
I could be wrong, but who knows. At the very least I don't agree with this hype approach..... to me it reads like they aren't confident one of their games could stand on its own this E3 so they are taking the quantity approach.
By my eyes, those are all real-deal in-game shots.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 11:53:10 AM
Even world class developers started out making questionable things.
For example, Square started off making NES ripoffs of Sega arcade games. Then they made Final Fantasy and a bunch of Ultima fanboys made fun of it. Nintendo's first game before Donkey Kong was quite bleh, too. RadarScope or something.
Just because High Voltage they had to start out in the contract work doesn't mean they don't have talent.
And I totally agree with GoldenPhoenix, High Voltage, a "glorified port house," if you will, has totally shamed and faced major third parties on the market leader. We shouldn't even be having this discussion. The majors should have been able to crush this young upstart like a grape Instead, they allowed High Voltage to grow unhindered by ignoring the largest userbase. It's why High Voltage gets hype just for trying.
Outside of Motion Sports games and some key non-combative Horror titles, upcoming we have "major" "big-budget" yet justifiably niche Japanese projects (that people claim will turn Wii's fortunes around...) and a couple "audience-targetted" "accessible" ON-FREAKING-RAILS SHOOTERS. 3rd Excuse Makers have set themselves to allow smaller guys like HVS to appear as credible competition.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for a moment saying that they shouldn't try and break the mold to become a big time IP house....
I'm just saying that trying to do it with three different and new games at once comes off as fishy to me.
Pro, why do you think those look like the real deal? They don't have any aliasing, HUD, or anything to make them look engine generated in my mind.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2009, 12:25:33 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for a moment saying that they shouldn't try and break the mold to become a big time IP house....
I'm just saying that trying to do it with three different and new games at once comes off as fishy to me.
Pro, why do you think those look like the real deal? They don't have any aliasing, HUD, or anything to make them look engine generated in my mind.
If you can't go by looks, I'd go by historical precedent with Conduit, they didn't touch up the first images either with that game. I don't think HVS is into that stuff. In regards to making 3 games at once, Conduit has probably been mostly done for a few months with bug testing being their primary focus, their resources could be diverted elsewhere. Also do we have any idea how big they are? If they have a fairly big development team splitting duties it is very possible.
Also like Deg said, every company has to get their star somewhere and HVS got their money from making licensed stuff (If I recall few of them were "bad", more like average) which from everything I understand is a pain in the butt to do if you care about any kind of quality control.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2009, 12:28:10 PM
Again, I'm not saying they can't go for their own stuff. I'm not saying they aren't capable of making a great game. More power to them. I'm saying that having three games does not instill confidence... in fact, it stinks of lack of industry experience in my mind. I'd love to be proven wrong.
I don't care if Conduit is almost done. It isn't on shelves yet and they would do good to focus all their attention on discussing why its so great right now, not showing their two other game ideas that they may come out with some day.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2009, 12:29:52 PM
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It isn't on shelves yet and they would do good to focus all their attention on discussing why its so great right now, not showing their two other game ideas that they may come out with some day.
I think they are past the idea stage and are actually in development (unlike, oh, Sadness). My guess is that we'll see footage at E3. We also have to remember that both games are running off the Conduit's engine, so that speeds things up.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2009, 12:33:05 PM
Heh, well if they are that far along I think they should release actual screenshots. ;) If those ones are "real" they must be from more of a proof of concept level than an actual game level in my mind.
But I'm not claiming any hard evidence here, I'm just discussing my gut feeling. And my gut feeling is that they are showing a high level of arrogance which stinks of inexperience which makes me lose faith in them. =P
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: bustin98 on May 27, 2009, 12:35:05 PM
I circled elements that generally show this is not some bullshot or painted image.
(http://www.microcharged.com/images/jaggies.jpg)
I would tend to agree that the shoots are a proof of concept, with the lack of HUD and that HVS has said they created mock ups just to see how many enemies they can get on screen while keeping a high frame rate.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: D_Average on May 27, 2009, 12:35:43 PM
Meh, just give me Animales already.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
Are you circling aliasing there Bustin? I agree there is a little there, but it still doesn't look anything like an in game screenshot to me.
Here, can I be pessimistic for another reason?
HVS have released 4 VC games. Only one of them received somewhat good reviews and absolutely none of them brought anything interesting to the table that made me even remotely intrigued by the title.
How's that? I just think people should be weary of being too excited about these two new announcements. You'll also notice they don't have a publisher yet.... so in a world where Conduit doesn't tear up the sales charts, these may not ever see the light of day.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 27, 2009, 12:43:37 PM
Pale is being a negative face. :P
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 12:45:00 PM
1. There's actually plenty of aliasing. You probably have a modern PC monitor, so it's hard to tell from "tiny" SD screens. Checkout the full-sized screens, and bring your eyes within 6-inches of the monitor. This game has stronger art-direction than The Conduit and doesn't have the candy-color contrast of Nintendo games, so aliasing is less noticeable due to the more-organic color palette.
2. The resolution on the screens is 795x448. Out of the 720x480p available "canvas" on Wii, Nintendo's games (everything but Metroid Prime 3) are typically rendered at 660x456 (helps eliminated thin black borders), while the majority of 3rd party devs (Capcom, most consistently) render their games at 640x448 with no other variation. The Grinder is apparently 448-vertical, so scaling it we get 448 * 16 / 9 = 796, the approximate width of our screens. Either HVS provided the screens as 795x448, or IGN received 640x448 screens and did the scaling themselves (with imperfect math...) to get 795x448. The overall image quality of the teaser screens are consistent with the 480p Wii videos I manually scale to widescreen -- most pixel edges look perfectly contrasted/jagged, while more-horizontal edges show some pixel interpolation.
3. The graphic effects in The Grinder are consistent with what's been shown for The Conduit. The clean, bloomy explosions and gun flares are essentially the same. As a base case, The Conduit makes aliens super shiny, but not much else. Gladiator A.D. goes OVERBOARD with shinyness, while Grinder holds back on it. And the HUD, we don't have to expect to see it from HVS shooters now because we know it can be disabled completely in The Conduit, and it's "confirmed" that kind of customization applies to The Grinder as well.
4. The in-progress game is playable at E3, and we'll know for sure.
5. As far as I can tell, HVS's WiiWare games are just experiments made for a quick buck. They're not tightly associated with existing genres. These big HVS shooters feel like established, hard-to-mess-up-making-a-genre-fitting-game focused affair with more generous dev time.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: D_Average on May 27, 2009, 12:53:35 PM
HVS have released 4 VC games. Only one of them received somewhat good reviews and absolutely none of them brought anything interesting to the table that made me even remotely intrigued by the title.
I agree with Pale here. HVS has a track record of mediocrity. How many times have we seen a below average developer create or port 30+ average or sub par games over a 10 year period to all of the sudden hit one out of the park? Their last 3 Wiware titles, Evasive Space, Hot Rod Show, and Gyrostarr, were all pretty basic concepts that should have been fun. Yet they all lacked that certain punch to make them a compelling addictive experience, like say the first Geometry Wars.
I hope that game turns out well, as the Wii needs more fps's, but there's no way I'm getting hyped until I see the final product.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2009, 12:55:47 PM
I'm interested in the points about resolution. That does lend itself to being system rendered....
They could still be totally staged though. =)
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 27, 2009, 12:58:49 PM
Pale, look at the full-sized image on this page (http://kotaku.com/5271084/conduit-developers-announce-another-new-game). You can see lots of good ol' Wii aliasing issues. Keep in mind, the closer you are to the object, the less apparent the aliasing.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
Being a small developer, they ARE at the mercy of publishers. You work on the work you can actually get, and you work on what gives you income and practice.
If CondomUnit is a plain but solid Goldeneye corridor shooter (and i don't think highly of Goldeneye), that's plenty of practice for a monster meat grinder game.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2009, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: Ningurl
Also do we have any idea how big they are? If they have a fairly big development team splitting duties it is very possible.
I hear their development team is about 150 people. That is ploenty to be working on 3 games especially where one has been in bug testing and polishing mode for the last few months.
Think about how many people grasshopper has and how many games they are working on right now? I believe its less that 90 people and they are working on 2 or 3 games.
Another thing you have to take into consideration is the fact that HVS has been around fro a long while, and they have been working on mostly licensed crap. But all that licensed crap has to be completed within the budget and on a strict deadline to coincide with the licensed movie they are making a game for. That sort of efficiency could definitely be whats helping them manage 3 games at once, and all the WiiWare practice was probably to help them not only generate a quick buck, but help them figure out ways to perfect their engine.
And why would they fake a screen shot from a demo that they gave IGN to play that will also be playable at E3? & if they were gonna start fdaking screen shots, wouldn't they have done bettter looking models (skin texture looks wierd) for Gladiator AD?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
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HVS deserves the support of ALL Wii owners...or at least all Wii owners that don't consider themselves casual.
They still have to earn it. I really like how they actually seem legitmately interested in making Wii games and literally no one aside from Nintendo shares that. But they don't get a free pass just because no one else shows up. I don't rate games on a bell curve. HVS still has to deliver the goods. The Conduit doesn't get my purchase just because it's an okay game or "good by Wii standards" or better than most Wii third party games (since most Wii third party games are complete trash).
The Conduit has to be good enough that it would also be a big deal on the PS3 or Xbox 360. Ditto with this and Gladiator.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 01:44:41 PM
"The Conduit has to be good enough that it would also be a big deal on the PS3 or Xbox 360."
Ugh, when you consider been-there-done-that games that happen to be HD are considered big deals, that's not saying much.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
Why would the Conduit need to be a big deal on 360 & PS3 where it would get lost in the sea of 1st person shooters and even if it did get noticed it would just be compared to Halo3, Killzone2 & Resitance2.
HVS doesn't get a pass just for showing up on the Wii, but they sure as hell get noticed for being enthusiastic with their Wii support by putting in lots of effort with a sufficient budget and the 8.0+ reviews don't hurt the game either you know.
The Conduit is getting my purchase just for the fact that I know they are putting out a quality product & I don't own a FPS yet. If I find the Conduit even remotely fun, The Grinder automatically get my pre-order since AI'm sure its only gonna be an improvement. Gladiator on the other hand is a wait-n-see.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2009, 02:15:33 PM
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Why would the Conduit need to be a big deal on 360 & PS3 where it would get lost in the sea of 1st person shooters and even if it did get noticed it would just be compared to Halo3, Killzone2 & Resitance2.
The Conduit should be as good as those games or better. That's what I mean. It shouldn't just get a free pass for being okay and standing out entirely because there is nothing else. The Conduit should be good enough that if the big FPS games of the other consoles were on the Wii you would still buy it.
Is Metroid Prime 3 good for a Wii game or is just a great game PERIOD? It's a great game period! So we should expect HVS' games to be of similar calibre. These games should be great games PERIOD and would be great games that stand out on any console. That's what I want and that's what it will take for me to buy any of these.
Otherwise you're ADMITTING to giving them a free pass just for trying which is stupid. If you reward mediocrity you get more mediocrity. We're the market leader and should expect the BEST from third parties.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2009, 02:22:51 PM
But what about the tests!!?? I think we need more tests. we might not be ready to handle the awesomeness of actual 3rd party effort.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Caliban on May 27, 2009, 02:37:07 PM
You'll also notice they don't have a publisher yet....
SEGA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conduit) SEGA (http://www.sega.com/games/the-conduit?t=EnglishUSA) SEGA (http://www.conduitgame.com/index_us.html) SEGA (http://wii.ign.com/objects/142/14248157.html)
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2009, 03:11:36 PM
You'll also notice they don't have a publisher yet....
SEGA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conduit) SEGA (http://www.sega.com/games/the-conduit?t=EnglishUSA) SEGA (http://www.conduitgame.com/index_us.html) SEGA (http://wii.ign.com/objects/142/14248157.html)
They don't have a publisher for Gladiator A.D. & The Grinder yet. But after all the positive feedback from the IGN reveal, if everything looks good @ E3 & the conduit performs at par or better I'm sure SEGA would love to publish atleast The Grinder too.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 27, 2009, 03:17:50 PM
You'll also notice they don't have a publisher yet....
SEGA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conduit) SEGA (http://www.sega.com/games/the-conduit?t=EnglishUSA) SEGA (http://www.conduitgame.com/index_us.html) SEGA (http://wii.ign.com/objects/142/14248157.html)
They don't have a publisher for Gladiator A.D. & The Grinder yet. But after all the positive feedback from the IGN reveal, if everything looks good @ E3 & the conduit performs at par or better I'm sure SEGA would love to publish atleast The Grinder too.
D'oh! In my head it came out as if HVS does not have a publisher. My apologies to Pale.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2009, 05:14:49 PM
Hey man, I'm still hopeful they will work, it's just fishy to reveal this quantity of games.. that's all I'm saying. =P
Optimistic Pale: They are just really confident and excited, that's why they are revealing them.
Pessimistic Pale 1: They are trying to land publishers for these before Conduit comes out because they have no faith in that game.
Pessimistic Pale 2: They are totally full of themselves and are over promising on something they won't have the capacity to deliver, thus disappointing everyone who is getting excited.
=P
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 05:21:49 PM
bwuh? How hard is it for a western dev house to churn out a western bang-bang game? not at all!
It's those Japanese developers who have yet to deliver on the level they achieved in the previous cycle.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Caterkiller on May 27, 2009, 05:35:22 PM
Wow Pale, your hitting them hard huh? Well if both these games turn out AAA quality you will be pleasantly surprised im sure.
As for me, I am eating up the Coduit and The Grinder. I am going to read a review or 2 and I do expect 9's and up all around for the Conduit, but even if the scores aren't that high I know im going to get it regardless.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2009, 05:39:18 PM
The CondomUnit got a 5.0 from Nintendo Power.
It's a winner =D
Frankly, 8.0 seems unusually high for a corridor shooter. Think of all the WWII and movie shooter games that have come and gone on Nintendo systems, what were they, 2.9 at best?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stogi on May 27, 2009, 05:49:39 PM
I think they have a passion not found in other developers. They see the Wii and they see what we see; potential. As programmers, artists, directors and producers, they work together in the belief that there is better. So when one lonely programmer one night comes up with a great concept, they don't shun it away; they embrace it. For creativity is like the tide; you need to push off when it's at its highest.
We all need to relax and just wait to see how these games actually play, but I don't think announcing these games was a mistake, nor do I think it was prudish; simply self-fulling. They are proud of their work, and they want the world to know why. I want to know why.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on May 27, 2009, 05:52:38 PM
Three games in a Three year period is too much for a 150+ person company? Come on.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Pale on May 28, 2009, 12:10:34 AM
Did it really get a 5 from NP? Or is that a joke. I'm confused!
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 28, 2009, 12:18:22 AM
Did it really get a 5 from NP? Or is that a joke. I'm confused!
A few weeks ago some member on gamespot made some scans of the review.Put in some information that was true at one time.Like 16 player online. Basically gave that score to prove that people only pay attention to scores and not the content of the review.I think later in the day he came forward and explained why he did that.Before he explained the "review" everybody was putting down the game.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 28, 2009, 12:51:45 AM
Anyway never got around to Hunter the Reckoning so this will give me a second chance.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on May 28, 2009, 01:33:02 AM
I thought it got an 8 from NP
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 28, 2009, 01:35:12 AM
The Fake review got a 6.5 The real one got a 8.
If you want to discuss this go in the Conduit topic.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 28, 2009, 03:17:24 AM
If you look at the blurry scan, the 8.0 looks like a 5.0, hence the comedy.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ThePerm on May 28, 2009, 04:49:38 AM
HVS needs to keep it up they could be the next second party! i miss second party software, it really kept you into the system and it filled genre holes. Also, i've worked on shooting game mods before, changing one game into another isn't terribly hard. Oh and I really like Hunter The Reckoning...i played that at a friends house one time and had a blast, now that I know they worked on that game it sounds even more appealing.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: KDR_11k on May 28, 2009, 10:47:58 AM
Why would they reveal two games now? Is it because they want to reveal them before The Conduit is released or is there a tiny chance it might be related to IT BEING ONE WEEK BEFORE E3?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 28, 2009, 12:44:56 PM
They're just trying to build attention to nab a publisher. Instead of visiting publishers first at E3, they want to establish awareness on the internet first so it's a bullet point they can talk about with publishers, then demo the actual game in person, unlike Sadness and Orb and Duke Nukem Forever.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: DAaaMan64 on May 28, 2009, 01:07:07 PM
This one really does interest me. Much more than Gladiator.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 28, 2009, 01:20:18 PM
Gladiator is almost an instant no-sell cuz I'm reminded of Russel Crowe and his boat Tugger.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on May 28, 2009, 07:39:55 PM
Nice to see more uses for the WiiSpeak.
I am very pumped for this game. I love L4D and was hoping for a Wii version, but this will do fine if it turns out right.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2009, 07:43:50 PM
Its rumored that L4D might be getting a expansion pack that might be announced at E3.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Morari on May 28, 2009, 07:47:08 PM
Its rumored that L4D might be getting a expansion pack that might be announced at E3.
That seems pretty unlikely, given Valve's long history of releasing massive amounts of content for free post-release. An expansion pack would really have to change things up a lot to warrant any kind of price tag, me thinks.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2009, 08:07:07 PM
Just a rumor, but it could just be some DLC. It was something about 4 new characters in different parts of the same environments at the same time with a few new weapons & a new boss. Don't know if its true or not, but something to look out for next week.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on May 28, 2009, 08:09:18 PM
more characters would be cool. Also guns and whole levels. I want it all in L4D.
Though sadly the internet cafe my friend and I went to to play it got shut down. Since my computer can't run it that's my only option currently. That's another reason I'm happy for Grinders.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Morari on May 28, 2009, 10:57:40 PM
Just a rumor, but it could just be some DLC. It was something about 4 new characters in different parts of the same environments at the same time with a few new weapons & a new boss. Don't know if its true or not, but something to look out for next week.
With the Survival Pack having just been released, I wouldn't hope for anything too solid to manifest. New environments will definitely come at some point (whether from Valve or elsewhere, now that the SDK is in an open beta state). I wouldn't rule out new monsters and weapons either. I can't really see new characters however. The current characters don't really play a huge role, as there is little story. Furthermore, the developer commentary goes into quite a bit of detail concerning just how they worked the silhouettes of each character to stand out against the hordes. If anything, they need to revert Francis back to how he looked in the early screenshots... y'know, cool.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 30, 2009, 12:43:11 AM
Anyway, back to the GRINDER. The (early) trailer looked pretty damn good.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2009, 01:04:07 AM
On a slightly related note, a friend of mine hosts pen and paper Hunter games and he's convinced me to join. It might give me an idea of what HVS is planning to do with this game.
Looks pretty nice in motion. Did they say if it would be playable @ E3?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2009, 01:46:46 AM
Stratos I'm not sure if it will be playable at E3 but I think it will be there.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2009, 02:32:53 AM
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/Maxi_80/Video%20Games/DWM.jpg) Early box art
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: KDR_11k on May 30, 2009, 03:02:21 AM
That trailer should put the bullshot claims to rest.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on May 30, 2009, 03:37:12 AM
The trailer even has a hud so that's a good sign as well.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2009, 04:16:55 AM
It should have a HUD since its supposed to be playable at E3
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on May 30, 2009, 04:32:57 AM
It's supposed to be playable?!
*Runs out and sells kidney on black market to pay for plane ticket to E3*
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on May 30, 2009, 04:56:26 AM
Trailer animations look decently smooth.
I liked Hunter the Reckoning, it took a little bit to get into it, but it was pretty fun once I did. It actually was easier to play Single Player than coop.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: KDR_11k on May 30, 2009, 07:21:34 AM
The trailer even has a hud so that's a good sign as well.
Missing HUDs in the earlier shots could've been because the UI graphics weren't done, dev builds can quite easily have just some really ugly number displays as the HUD, of course that's not very presentable.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 30, 2009, 09:49:41 AM
Also, you can probably turn off the HUD.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on May 30, 2009, 10:20:56 AM
Looks a little more interesting than Gladiator A.D. but I'll wait until more details come out since I enjoyed Left 4 Dead. Like The Conduit I may wait until it's a little cheaper but only time will tell.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2009, 11:11:44 AM
Looks a little more interesting than Gladiator A.D. but I'll wait until more details come out since I enjoyed Left 4 Dead. Like The Conduit I may wait until it's a little cheaper but only time will tell.
At least the L4D idea hasn't been beaten to death.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on June 01, 2009, 11:42:24 PM
Looks a little more interesting than Gladiator A.D. but I'll wait until more details come out since I enjoyed Left 4 Dead. Like The Conduit I may wait until it's a little cheaper but only time will tell.
At least the L4D idea hasn't been beaten to death.
Spoke too soon it looks like, they are already making a L4D 2. And I don't like the looks of it.
Grinder looks better than L4D 2
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on June 04, 2009, 05:54:20 AM
gameplay vid looks fun, mini bosses look hard, almost cheap.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2009, 10:40:16 AM
It's good generic fun. It does look like a poor man's L4D. Where are your team mates?
Notice how he clicked on "single player."
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: kraken613 on July 07, 2009, 09:26:29 PM
I am resurrecting this thread since we know have seen some more of this game(check out NWR's direct feed then IGN has some too) and have played The Conduit.
So first off from what I have seen they are listening to their fans. The game looks a lot less generic than Conduit and looks to have some story this is the one thing that really bring The Conduit down. Graphics look even better which is great since they are already amazing. I assume online will be even better than Conduit which is already great. They have said Co-Op but also deathmatch too.
So what are your thoughts on this game and what do you want added after playing Conduit and seeing more?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 07, 2009, 09:35:05 PM
Valve comments on The Grinder. Just imagine how kickass it would be if Valve would buy High Voltage. A Valve Wii team.... Dreams, only dreams....
Just think L4D was being made by a studio who they bought because they loved the game. Dreams....
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 30, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
Valve would buy HVS to keep them from developing on Wii. Valve doesn't care about Wii.
Gabe wants GAMERS to INVEST in dev projects so that that Valve doesn't have to spend their own money making it! So that way the video games doesn't exist before there's a customer; it's backwards. They can shove off.
I'll start caring when they start producing.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: broodwars on July 30, 2009, 05:07:14 PM
Valve would buy HVS to keep them from developing on Wii. Valve doesn't care about Wii.
Gabe wants GAMERS to INVEST in dev projects so that that Valve doesn't have to spend their own money making it! So that way the video games doesn't exist before there's a customer; it's backwards. They can shove off.
I'll start caring when they start producing.
I agree with this. While the Valve employee has a point that the Wii online service just isn't there to accomodate something like the Grinder, I don't think they have a right to comment on another company's Wii project when their own company is ignoring Wii altogether. Put up or shut up.
And yes, if Valve were to purchase High Voltage they'd just turn around and put them to work making projects for the 360 and PC like every Valve game.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 30, 2009, 05:19:26 PM
Lets hope that on Wii2 Nintendo takes the best of Xbox LIVE and Steam and works it into their online strategy. Then we can get a real online network going.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: kraken613 on July 30, 2009, 05:45:26 PM
This is about serious talk not jokes...
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on July 31, 2009, 04:41:55 AM
Are you saying what the Valve employee said was a joke or Nintendo having a real gaming network is a joke?
I think both are, to be honest. That Valve dude has a problem with his thinking if he believes that is the only way people connect. Conduit works well, plus people arrange to meet up in other places like forums and what-not.
Besides, Steam is a terrible social network for me because I always forget it is running and leave my computer so poor Kraken tries to chat with me and I don't know 'till I come back and see I missed him (:rolleyes: Sorry, Kraken)
Maybe it's because I'm old-fashioned and didn't grow up having networks like LIVE or Steam, but I see plenty of ways outside of those to communicate and connect with people to play with you.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stogi on July 31, 2009, 06:51:14 AM
It would be nice if the Conduit...you know...let me play people who are sitting right beside me...
It's the reason I still haven't bought the game.
But I guess I'm just old fashioned as well.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 31, 2009, 10:16:41 AM
That Valve dude has a problem with his thinking if he believes that is the only way people connect. Conduit works well, plus people arrange to meet up in other places like forums and what-not.
That doesn't really change what he's saying, which is
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I can be sitting there, watching Netflix on my 360, I see a popup saying that someone online who I know is playing Left 4 Dead, and I can go join them.
Steam works that way as well. On the Wii, the only way you know if somebody you know is playing a game is if you are already in that game, have added them as a friend (which needs to be done in another venue as well), and are actually looking at your friend roster.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on July 31, 2009, 05:06:42 PM
That Valve dude has a problem with his thinking if he believes that is the only way people connect. Conduit works well, plus people arrange to meet up in other places like forums and what-not.
That doesn't really change what he's saying, which is
Quote
I can be sitting there, watching Netflix on my 360, I see a popup saying that someone online who I know is playing Left 4 Dead, and I can go join them.
Steam works that way as well. On the Wii, the only way you know if somebody you know is playing a game is if you are already in that game, have added them as a friend (which needs to be done in another venue as well), and are actually looking at your friend roster.
But L4D doesn't hinge on that for the game to work. The game could still function well without the comprehensive community environment of Steam and Live.
Also, Mario Kart Channel proves the Wii can do something close to that. Not exactly the same, but close.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dirk Temporo on July 31, 2009, 05:09:25 PM
But L4D doesn't hinge on that for the game to work. The game could still function well without the comprehensive community environment of Steam and Live.
If you honestly believe that the game would have performed as well on either system without that ability, you are deluding yourself.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on July 31, 2009, 05:12:44 PM
I have never used that feature on Steam. I'm sure plenty of other people don't as well. Maybe I'm just old fashioned and would rather call up or message friends to play.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 01, 2009, 08:03:39 PM
Messaging friends. Oh hey I can do that on Steam! And on Xbox Live! Or hell, if all I want is to play a couple rounds of TF2, I can just send them an invite or join a game they're already in straight from my desktop/dashboard!
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BwrJim! on August 01, 2009, 08:22:48 PM
well for me, my friends all moved off into differnt directions and I am the only one in the family who played it.. soo I can honestly say I have never played that game locally with anyone. thanks live in that respect, same with say.... SF IV
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on August 01, 2009, 10:38:50 PM
Didn't HVS say that The Grinder was going to have split screen play?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BwrJim! on August 02, 2009, 01:02:29 AM
yeah, they were aloof with the answer.. first they let everyone think split screen then someone asked about online and they said something like "we didnt say it wouldnt" or something to that affect.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 10, 2009, 06:32:47 PM
There's still a few questions about how well the Wii will be able to cope with online coop multiplayer, especially when High Voltage are promising upwards of 60 enemies on screen at once. We'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now though, because The Grinder has our interest well and truly piqued.
Remember that there will be only 4 people in a game at a given time. So those crazy glitchy, laggy and wonky 10-12 player matches from Conduit will give a lot of room for online improvement..
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BwrJim! on August 11, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
and also the fact that they understand the 3d tech. Instancing the enemies and then modify them individually may take time to do, but it is a huge memory save as well. So the worries are not justified as long as a developer takes the time needed to do it. Its a longer process and most pubs want to shove something out, so lets hope that The Grinder doesnt get that experience.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 11, 2009, 11:16:18 AM
Those screen shots make the game look pretty badass. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BwrJim! on August 11, 2009, 11:51:54 AM
not to mention 12 foot tall vampires
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 11, 2009, 12:18:56 PM
If it runs as smoothly as BWii, that'd be something.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on August 11, 2009, 05:06:25 PM
The Grinder just made an appearance on True Blood tonite. Vampire killing action with a flame thrower FTW.
really. I'll be watching...
Scene at Bill's house, Wii Wagglin action atleast twice so far.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 24, 2009, 01:07:52 AM
SPOILERS MAN, still waitin' on the dl. ;)
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 24, 2009, 01:10:25 AM
I might have been mistaken on which game it is. I think it was actually Dead Space: Extraction.
Thinking about it, that would make more sense since DSE is coming out this year. The clip was soo quick, that I thought the mutants looked just like the vampires from The Grinder.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on August 24, 2009, 03:55:00 AM
I might have been mistaken on which game it is. I think it was actually Dead Space: Extraction.
Thinking about it, that would make more sense since DSE is coming out this year. The clip was soo quick, that I thought the mutants looked just like the vampires from The Grinder.
Plus who is more likely to not only have the budget, but also the drive to do that type of product placement in a TV series? EA, not HVS.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 24, 2009, 01:31:58 PM
Does it literally plug DSE or will TV viewers automatically think "huh, is that the new Doom game?"
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 24, 2009, 02:00:40 PM
I thought it was The Grinder.... so what does that tell you? ;D
It was just like when Heavenly Sword showed up on Heroes a while back. quick glimpse of someone playing the game, a shot at the controller being used so you know what system it was on, and in this case, one more shot of the controller so you instantly know what system it is.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 25, 2009, 01:59:04 PM
Man, EA is doing a good job of promoting The Grinder.
Real first person games on Wii are getting their due.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Peachylala on August 26, 2009, 12:36:51 AM
Real FPS games should try to be as entertaining as the Metroid Prime series without copying it.
Or Half-Life 2.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on August 26, 2009, 02:29:42 AM
What about multiplayer FPS games like Quake 3?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 26, 2009, 01:46:20 PM
Play Water Warfare.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on August 28, 2009, 04:20:15 AM
I thought KDR was the only person on the boards to D/L Water Warfare? He could use a buddy to play with online.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Morari on August 28, 2009, 09:35:19 AM
Nothing should ever aspire to those heights. That's just setting yourself up for failure. Quake 3 is still the very first game i install on my computer, every time. Couple it with a few mods, such as Generations Arena, and there's not much reason to look elsewhere. Unreal Tournament 2004 and Left 4 Dead are about the only other things that really seem to shine as far as mutliplayer goes.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2010, 02:43:03 AM
Hai Guys, the Grinder has CONFIRMED local 2 player co-op. Split screen bliss for you local mulitiplayer fanboys.
http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=111386
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 29, 2010, 02:49:26 AM
Well this is nice news.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Caterkiller on January 29, 2010, 02:54:00 AM
Kinda excited, but Conduit did nothing for me. I just couldn't get past the second level. Anyone recomend me keep going?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2010, 03:11:10 AM
I haven't even finished the 1st level, so I'm the wrong person to ask.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2010, 03:13:43 AM
*hopes she's blonde and hopes game supports wiispeak so I can annoy you guys with a alley girl impression*
Huzzah! Now when does this release? Close to Wii 2 time and no one will buy it?
It does support Wiispeak. No idea on release date.I'll look that up.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 30, 2010, 01:53:26 AM
Conduit supports it like crap. So I hope it is better in the Grinder.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2010, 01:55:59 AM
The real problem is that WiiSpeak is crap. I hope Nintendo comes up with a better solution in the next round of consoles.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on January 30, 2010, 05:10:29 AM
WiiSpeak works alright if you position it right. I keep it loose and bring it out to my coffee table or next to me on the couch when I play a compatible game and it seems to negate all of the adverse sound affects caused from it picking up the TV sound.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: EasyCure on January 30, 2010, 11:46:42 AM
Yeah I can couch for that. The one time stratos and I played wii speak, I had the mic just a few feet to my left as opposed to 6ft in front of me, atop the tv, and I could here his teenage sounding voice just fine :p
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on January 30, 2010, 02:01:45 PM
Don't make me use my 'sexy man voice' on you! :P
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on January 30, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
Huh. The biggest ego in this thread isn't EasyCure or BlackNMild2k1.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 30, 2010, 11:23:24 PM
Wii Speak fails when Dolby Pro Logic II is in use.
How inadequate.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2010, 11:26:26 PM
There just isn't enough power.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: bustin98 on February 05, 2010, 12:28:18 PM
well, I guess this thread can now go to the general gaming forum. Very interested in seeing what the details will be on the other systems.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 05, 2010, 01:25:46 PM
Just make another topic in that forum.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 05, 2010, 01:44:37 PM
I like this quote from one of the guys at HVS.
Quote from: IGN
There were a variety of issues that impacted the Conduit. We arefocusing on fixing those issues that we have control over in our futuregames. For those issues that we cannot control, we are working hardwith our partners to ensure the best possible experience for gamers.
It's obvious that "issues we cannot control" means friend codes/the online system on the Wii, and "partners" means Nintendo.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2010, 02:24:32 PM
I hope they don't include hackers in the "things we cannot control", some noob coders will throw up their arms and go "it's impossible to fix, learn to deal with it!" when facing a serious challenge.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2010, 02:33:08 PM
How come no one posted the new teaser trailer? Looks like a horror movie I want to watch.
well, I guess this thread can now go to the general gaming forum.
Why? It's still coming out on Wii.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: D_Average on February 06, 2010, 12:35:40 AM
Should be very interesting to see how the number of sales for each system looks if each version is put together well.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on February 06, 2010, 07:42:55 PM
I have no problem with a Multiplatform release as long as the Wii has a the same features: co-op, voice chat, DLC...
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on February 06, 2010, 09:02:14 PM
I wouldn't count on DLC as no retail Wii game has that. But since this game is still being developed on the Wii, I don't think we have to worry much about it lacking features that the other versions have.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2010, 09:06:19 PM
Guitard Hero Flop Band
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on February 06, 2010, 09:11:43 PM
Ha ha, I totally forgot about those. Never mind.
...How are they stored on the system, anyway? Do they create a new save file? Does the normal save file have reserved space for the downloaded songs?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2010, 09:21:01 PM
With GH World Tour, a separate save file is created on the Wii's flash memory (300+ blocks per song). I forgot if songs are separate files or one big save for all songs. There is an option to move the songs to an SD (reg.) card. I don't remember if temporary WiiWare-style free space is needed on the main flash memory.
GH 5 added SDHC support, and requires all World Tour songs to be RE-DOWNLOADED if you were going to use GH5's interface. GH5 featured a brand new music store, whose songs are not compatible with the World Tour disc, despite both titles being released the same year.
Activision, get fukt.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on February 07, 2010, 12:17:46 AM
Oh, you have to re-download them? Guess I don't have to try and get my current songs onto an SDHC card anymore, though the time that will take is going to suck.
Yea, Mop it up, you need to have enough free space on the Wii's flash memory if you want to play the DLC songs. It will tell you this if you try to play a DLC song without enough space on the system. Though the speed is pretty quick but these are small files, not huge chunks of extra data.
All of the songs are lumped into one 'DLC save file' when you view the Wii's memory but you can swap which songs stay on the system and on the SD card if you want a few favs you always play to load faster.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on February 07, 2010, 12:36:19 AM
I wouldn't think a music track would take up much space, but what about something like, say, a multiplayer map for this game? How much space would that require? If WiiWare has a 40MB limit then I would think that any single piece of DLC must not exceed that. Can DLC be loaded directly from an SD card? Is that actually possible and Nintendo just chooses to not do it?
Storage space is why I wouldn't expect a game like this to have DLC.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on February 07, 2010, 12:41:58 AM
I'm sure that any game that wanted to could use be programmed like Guitar Hero to store and pull up DLC files from and SD card. Then the only limit would be however much space you could keep on your Wii's system memory.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on February 07, 2010, 01:01:34 AM
That would be a small limit. Probably 40MB since that's the limit for WiiWare.
Does anyone know how much data the average map pack uses for shooters on the XBox 360?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 12, 2010, 12:19:01 AM
In what is good news for the people that hated High Voltage for making this game not a Wii exclusive anymore and want to see them suffer, but almost certainly bad news for anyone interested in the game, The Grinder is no longer a first-person shooter, and is now a top-down, Geometry Wars style twin stick shooter. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/107/1077020p1.html) But hey, at least it's not on rails.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2010, 12:39:16 AM
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2010, 12:46:05 AM
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The reason for the change: while The Grinder would have been one of very few first person shooters on the Wii, it'd be among several on the higher def consoles and the team decided to not enter that genre glut with a "me too" product.
No final decision has been made about the Wii version, however – it could end up the first-person design that it was always originally intended to be, or it could end up a version of the game that's being created for the 360 and PlayStation 3.
You have got to be kidding me. You don't want a "Me Too" product on the HD consoles then don't release the damn game on the HD consoles.... :moonface:
They should just release a different spin-off top down game for the HD consoles(& Wii) at a later date based on The Grinder like the the second part sorta suggest.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2010, 01:19:49 AM
Twin Stick shooters are the next rail shooters.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 12, 2010, 01:27:06 AM
HVS, done digging your grave yet?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: SixthAngel on March 12, 2010, 02:40:15 AM
While I am disappointed that I won't have another fps (I liked The Conduit) I really like smash tv style games and they simply don't make enough of them (any at all basically).
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 12, 2010, 02:51:09 AM
While I am disappointed that I won't have another fps (I liked The Conduit) I really like smash tv style games and they simply don't make enough of them (any at all basically).
You must not own a 360 or PS3, because it seems like every other game on their respective download services are that type of game.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2010, 02:54:08 AM
At first I was hoping it would be a dungeon crawler style top down shooter, like Hunter:The Reckoning was. But no, it looks more mindless.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Urkel on March 12, 2010, 03:42:46 AM
So why did they bother showing off a new trailer just a few weeks ago when they obviously must have been in the process of turning it into a completely different game?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 12, 2010, 04:40:41 AM
... words escape me ...
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: SixthAngel on March 12, 2010, 07:41:54 AM
While I am disappointed that I won't have another fps (I liked The Conduit) I really like smash tv style games and they simply don't make enough of them (any at all basically).
You must not own a 360 or PS3, because it seems like every other game on their respective download services are that type of game.
I don't but that just makes me angry because they never released any outside of downloads.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 12, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Darn, I wish it was still an FPS. :/
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 12, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
My only hope is the Wii version will remain a FPS and the 360/PS3 version will be a twin stick shooter.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
My hope is that they release the Wii FPS first, then release the Multi plat (PS36Wii) twin stick over head shooter many months later.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: MegaByte on March 12, 2010, 11:34:12 PM
If you guys have any questions for HVS, post them now so that I can ask them.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 13, 2010, 12:10:32 AM
If you guys have any questions for HVS, post them now so that I can ask them.
Why? (in regards to the new direction)
And also, would they equate their game to something like Hunter or Gauntlet? 'Twin Stick Shooter' seems a bit off for the theme.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2010, 04:18:00 AM
Eric Nofsinger seemed like a nice guy when I interacted with him at the HVS PAX booth. Ask them nicely what I have to do to get the FPS version of the Grinder. If the answer is negative, don't be afraid to get a little rough.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Adrock on March 13, 2010, 09:51:00 AM
Yeah, I have to throw my hat in the "I hope the Wii version is still a FPS." I have a hard time playing FPS because they give me headaches but the game did look like a lot more fun than The Conduit or maybe I just like the setting more. Either way, the Wii could use more FPS.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 13, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Ask him if the game is still using their Quantum 3 engine.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Morari on March 13, 2010, 07:05:36 PM
So why did they bother showing off a new trailer just a few weeks ago when they obviously must have been in the process of turning it into a completely different game?
After looking at the teaser trailer from February again I realize that there is no gameplay shown in the trailer. The closest thing to gameplay is a half second shot of 1st person view behind the wheel of a truck but it looks like you aren't even driving it.
I'd love to have both a gauntlet/hunter game and an FPS, but I'm not believing that the FPS project is still alive until I hear confirmation from HVS that it is still in production.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 14, 2010, 08:36:16 AM
If you guys have any questions for HVS, post them now so that I can ask them.
Why? (in regards to the new direction)
And also, would they equate their game to something like Hunter or Gauntlet? 'Twin Stick Shooter' seems a bit off for the theme.
Something with the gameplay of the 3D Gauntlet series would be so much cooler than a Wii FPS.
I wish someone would just make a good damn Gauntlet game.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 14, 2010, 03:37:41 PM
I just heard that this game is no longer a first-person shooter. That's too bad, I want another shooter which isn't a war game. The only current games which fit that are The Conduit and Red Steel, and I haven't heard too many good things about the latter.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2010, 04:13:14 PM
I've heard nothing but good things about the latter.
unless your talking about Multi-player and online or something.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 14, 2010, 04:42:30 PM
Red Steel? It has a 65.9% average on GameRankings, it has gotten a lot of 7, 6, and 5 review scores.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2010, 04:46:47 PM
Sorry, I as thinking of RS2. selective reading since I've pretty much forgotten RS1 even existed.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 14, 2010, 04:51:06 PM
I forgot about Red Steel 2. Is that still a shooter? I guess I should check the game's thread for more info, I haven't been keeping up on recent things.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Dirk Temporo on March 14, 2010, 11:32:13 PM
Red Steel 2 was never a shooter.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 15, 2010, 12:06:00 AM
Still, as in, like the first game. I don't know anything about it.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2010, 12:08:23 AM
Red Steel 2 is, as of now, the only first person game to look forward to on the Wii. I may go back and buy COD4 just to fill in the gap. :(
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 15, 2010, 01:17:08 AM
Is Call of Duty 4, is that one World at War? I've heard good things about that one, I might get it if I can find it cheap.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2010, 03:20:34 AM
World at War is "Cod5" It is good. Not great, but good.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2010, 03:23:36 AM
If this was going to be a Gauntlet 3D or Baldur's Gate Dark Legends I would still want it. The impression I'm getting though is that it is closer Monster Madness. And a game like that isn't worth $50 to me.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 15, 2010, 03:37:17 AM
Oh gameplay footage for the 360 version if you haven't seen it : http://www.gametrailers.com/game/the-grinder/11459
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2010, 04:24:44 AM
Is Call of Duty 4, is that one World at War? I've heard good things about that one, I might get it if I can find it cheap.
COD4 is Modern Warfare. And honestly, once I played that on Wii I lost half of my interest in Grinder. I'm more pumped at the possibility of having MW2 come with WiiSpeak support and local multi than this game before the drastic direction change.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Ian Sane on March 15, 2010, 01:49:47 PM
Changing The Grinder from an FPS to a Robotron style game because of the decision to make it multiplatform is kind of like if third parties altered their PS360 games to match up with the lousy Wii spin-off they were coming up with. So instead of the HD consoles getting Soul Calibur IV they got the same bullshit game the Wii got. If it doesn't go in the opposite direction why the change here? Having two different games with the same IP on different consoles is pretty normal this gen. No one compromises their PS360 version because of the Wii so it shouldn't work in reverse either.
HVS is nothing. Really, the whole reason that anyone gave a **** about them was because they were designing an exclusive FPS for the Wii. But that turned out to be an unexceptional title and now they've gone multiplatform and why would anyone care now? Do they really think a new Smash TV style game is going to light the world on fire? It'll be in bargain bins a month after release. And I like those style games, it's just not something people care about these days. At least focusing on the Wii made these guys a big fish in a small pond so they had the ability to stand out. Even with The Conduit being so-so, Wii owners were paying attention to this company. They've just gone and pissed it away.
Though one thing that HVS had demonstrated is that there is a desire for a great Wii FPS. I assume it is Nintendo's Japan-centric tunnel vision that has prevented them from getting to work on such a thing, because the demand is there. Maybe Retro's working on it.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 15, 2010, 05:22:34 PM
Though one thing that HVS had demonstrated is that there is a desire for a great Wii FPS. I assume it is Nintendo's Japan-centric tunnel vision that has prevented them from getting to work on such a thing, because the demand is there. Maybe Retro's working on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Retro's been working on some kind of new FPS that uses Motion+, that Nintendo is saving for E3. Considering how amazing Prime 3's controls were, it's almost scary to think what Retro could do with Motion+. I'd imagine Nintendo will want to show off Retro's new game along with Zelda Wii at E3 in order to show off just how good Motion+ can really be in order to stick it to Microsoft and Sony.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2010, 06:23:24 PM
Though one thing that HVS had demonstrated is that there is a desire for a great Wii FPS. I assume it is Nintendo's Japan-centric tunnel vision that has prevented them from getting to work on such a thing, because the demand is there. Maybe Retro's working on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Retro's been working on some kind of new FPS that uses Motion+, that Nintendo is saving for E3. Considering how amazing Prime 3's controls were, it's almost scary to think what Retro could do with Motion+. I'd imagine Nintendo will want to show off Retro's new game along with Zelda Wii at E3 in order to show off just how good Motion+ can really be in order to stick it to Microsoft and Sony.
Well, Retro did help Ubisoft with M+ Support on Red Steel 2. Retro had to have gotten that experience on something. Hopefully it is an FPS.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 15, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
Well, Retro did help Ubisoft with M+ Support on Red Steel 2. Retro had to have gotten that experience on something. Hopefully it is an FPS.
That actually a very good point. Retro had to have gotten M+ expertise from somewhere if they were the team of choice to send out to a 3rd party dev to help implement the feature into their game.
But Nintendo is very unpredictable sometimes, so it's hard to read the signs and come up with a logical conclusion that plays out as you would think according to all the clues.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
Well, Retro did help Ubisoft with M+ Support on Red Steel 2. Retro had to have gotten that experience on something. Hopefully it is an FPS.
That actually a very good point. Retro had to have gotten M+ expertise from somewhere if they were the team of choice to send out to a 3rd party dev to help implement the feature into their game.
But Nintendo is very unpredictable sometimes, so it's hard to read the signs and come up with a logical conclusion that plays out as you would think according to all the clues.
That's why I said hopefully they were working on an FPS. I was assuming they must be until I realized they could just be working on a new Mario Sports game or something else that used the M+. And knowing Nintendo, they could have just made Retro learn the tech without producing a full game and now they just help other devs understand the tech meaning no Retro game for a long while.
With a wide open second half of the year, I'm really hoping that a Retro title is on the list of Fall releases. Zelda + Retro FPS + Wii Relax could be a sweet lineup. Plus there are a number of forgotten Japanese only titles like Reginleiv and Tact of Magic that could also come out then as well.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 15, 2010, 07:45:32 PM
I'm more pumped at the possibility of having MW2 come with WiiSpeak support and local multi than this game before the drastic direction change.
Isn't Modern Warfare 2 basically the same game? Wouldn't you rather have something new and/or different?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Ian Sane on March 15, 2010, 07:52:20 PM
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With a wide open second half of the year, I'm really hoping that a Retro title is on the list of Fall releases. Zelda + Retro FPS + Wii Relax could be a sweet lineup.
So along with Metroid and Mario we would get like 4 GOTY candidates from Nintendo in one year? I'd be cool with that if they could keep that pace up but I know it would just result in a weak 2011. Better to space this all out. But then Retro has been working on something for a long time. It certainly would make sense to be ready soon. Maybe Retro gets the Christmas slot this year with Zelda being delayed. Reggie did give a "Zelda will be ready when it's ready" spiel in his IGN interview.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2010, 09:02:36 AM
With a wide open second half of the year, I'm really hoping that a Retro title is on the list of Fall releases. Zelda + Retro FPS + Wii Relax could be a sweet lineup.
So along with Metroid and Mario we would get like 4 GOTY candidates from Nintendo in one year? I'd be cool with that if they could keep that pace up but I know it would just result in a weak 2011. Better to space this all out. But then Retro has been working on something for a long time. It certainly would make sense to be ready soon. Maybe Retro gets the Christmas slot this year with Zelda being delayed. Reggie did give a "Zelda will be ready when it's ready" spiel in his IGN interview.
When does anyone from Nintendo not say that about Zelda releasing though? Hasn't that been the trademark phrase since like Wind Waker or something?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2010, 12:15:28 PM
WIND WAKER WAS NOT READY. Hope they finish it, some day.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2010, 02:42:21 PM
If they included the content which was cut, such as the two dungeons, I might actually buy that.
I'd be all over a DS2 remake of Wind Waker that added the missing dungeons and other stuff. The DS2 could probably emulate the game pretty well from the sounds of things. And having touch controlled gameplay would be interesting to see.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 16, 2010, 09:08:13 PM
I'm against that idea but only because I don't like handhelds.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: EasyCure on March 20, 2010, 03:00:30 PM
so has it been CONFIRMED this was changed from a FPS for wii? When i first read the news (elsewhere) it looks like the confirmation was for PS360 versions only..
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: MegaByte on March 20, 2010, 03:01:46 PM
No. Check out our interview-- it's all up in the air right now.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 20, 2010, 03:38:25 PM
If they are actually developing The Conduit 2, then I could see this game no longer being an FPS.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: EasyCure on March 20, 2010, 04:32:31 PM
If they are actually developing The Conduit 2, then I could see this game no longer being an FPS.
I don't see why it couldn't work..
Assuming they wouldn't release both games within the same time frame, both games would would sell decently. The Conduit 2 would have another solo campaign with hopefully more robust online multiplayer set-up, but still be missing locol multi. Grinder would be much more multiplayer oriented with local and online multiplayer.
Maybe thats just me though.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 20, 2010, 05:51:58 PM
I was thinking more like they may not want to work on two first-person shooters at one time, and instead create something a little different. That would then be three shooters total, so they may want a résumé that's a little more diverse. They could probably use some of what they had for The Conduit 2. I wouldn't mind if both were released since they seem different enough, but if The Conduit 2 happens then I wouldn't be surprised if The Grinder changes.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2010, 08:43:05 PM
I want The Grinder FPS that we were shown and The Grinder "hunter" style game too.
HVS could be known for being the Nintendo FPS machine and once they are known for having good--->great FPS games under their belt, then all they have to do is keep up the quality.
The Conduit wasn't what everyone was hoping, but The Grinder seemed to be addressing some if not all of those issues (local multi, a little less generic, motion plus support) and it was gonna be more Grindhouse with Classic horror monsters, so there was no going wrong there. The conduit 2 (which would likely come out after The Grinder) could use the tweaks to the engine they made to allow 2-4 player local multi and simultaneous multi-online play and everyone would have been happy.
Of course this would of course be followed up with The Grinder "Hunter" sequel version released on all 3 consoles and add some variety to an already known (on the Wii) franchise.
I see nothing but a winning strategy here, I hope HVS is listening.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 22, 2010, 06:31:32 PM
I was thinking. If they're completely switching down to the top down gameplay, why not pull a capcom? Why not give use a bite sized 2D version of the game on DSiware? In the same tone has Dracula: Undead Awakening but with more characters and weapons?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on March 30, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
Hope springs eternal!
The Grinder Wii is still an FPS http://wii.ign.com/articles/108/1080689p1.html
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2010, 05:15:21 PM
Awesome! If The Grinder comes out this year, I'm in trouble. I might actually have too much to play on the Wii.
/universe explodes
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Caterkiller on March 30, 2010, 05:16:52 PM
I was actually coming in to report that news. Sounds good to me. But I couldn't even get out of the 2nd level of the conduit. I sure hope this is way better.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: MegaByte on March 30, 2010, 05:24:48 PM
I was actually coming in to report that news. Sounds good to me. But I couldn't even get out of the 2nd level of the conduit. I sure hope this is way better.
Dude, that is SAD. Guardian setting is rather cake. You sure you're playing these First Person Wiiner games correctly?
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2010, 05:54:23 PM
I hope the Q&A with NWR (my questions specifically) had some influence over that decision. I will be purchasing this game and the top-down version(should it come to Wii) when they release.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 30, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
So, for once, the Wii is getting the original, full version of the game and the other consoles are getting the smaller, scaled-back spin-off.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2010, 06:18:26 PM
Oh, thank goodness. I can skip Conduit 2 this way.
Not keen on more SyFy weapons with faceless soldiers with extended health. Tough monsters are more appropriate.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 31, 2010, 02:49:54 AM
I've actually decided that I want both versions on Wii like BnM has asked. I hope we do get both as both would fill gaps in the Wii's lineup. FPS support is getting better, but we don't have any top down gauntlet-esque games.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 31, 2010, 03:14:06 AM
I guess it's good that it is still going to be a shooter, because the Wii could use more shooters that aren't war games. I'll wait and see how it ends up, it could be interesting.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Stratos on March 31, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
At the very least we have reassurance of one new FPS that includes WiiSpeak and local multi.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: Mop it up on March 31, 2010, 03:25:03 AM
I want reassurance that there can be a combination of friends and randoms.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
::fingers crossed:: that this becomes a WiiU launch title.
It's probably too late to throw it to the Wii. Save it for the U instead.
Can some NWR staff member contact HVS and see what's up with this game coming to WiiU now that The Conduit 2 is already out.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ShyGuy on June 27, 2011, 06:01:49 PM
ooh that would be awesome. They talked about putting the Conduit engine on the 3DS too.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: MegaByte on June 27, 2011, 10:47:42 PM
Conduit's engine is already on 3DS (see my impressions from GDC). At that time, they were still looking for a publisher before going further with development on The Grinder. They had a meeting room at E3 undoubtedly partially for that purpose, but I don't know the results.
Title: Re: The Grinder: Hunter The Reckoning + Left4Dead
Post by: ThePerm on July 15, 2011, 02:46:48 AM
well ****, the more luanch titles the better, they better update the assets though.
